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social media, on the eve of the storm, 1 hour from landfall, it's a picture of the staff of the national weather service in tallahassee. they were staying in it for the duration. note what you don't see in the picture, their own families. they all put their lives on hold to go to work and warn the rest of us. every so often, there's an effort in washington to privatize the national weather service. remember this. doing so would mean losing all of them and their knowledge, their reach, their expertise. and they're among the finest public servants in this country today. something they proved again today. that's our broadcast for wednesday night. thank you for being here with us. our coverage continues after this. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes.
an unexpectedly powerful storm hurricane michael which savaged the florida panhandle just shy of a category 5 is now quickly moving through southwest georgia as a category 2 storm. even now hour after landfall, it is the strongest storm to hit georgia in 120 years. there are new questions about the "washington post" contributor who disappeared in the saudi consulate. all that and more ahead. first hurricane michael which made landfall this afternoon near mexico beach, florida, just 20 miles southeast of panama city with winds that reached 155 miles per hour. just two miles per hour short of a 5. those winds the fourth most powerful ever for a storm hitting the continental u.s. the hurricane the strongest to cross the florida panhandle in
recorded history. the fast-moving it storm carved a dangerous path of destruction, downed tree and has left 388,000 people without power. there is one confirmed death thus far. more than 300,000 people were kund evacuation orders. at least 6,000 made it to national shelter according to the red cross. vast swathe are still threatened by swells up to 20 feet. the water level set records in apalachicola with a storm surge of over seven feet.locality across the panhandle are only beginning to assess the daniel by both flooding and high winds. michael is now the sixth major hurricane income two season to hit the u.s. and arrives just day after a dire united nations climate change report that was
immediately met with dismissive skepticism by the trump administration. tammy lighter in is in albany, georgia, tonight, starting to feel the effect of the hurricane right now. what's it like there, tami? >> we're really starting to get hit. i'm holding on to ashley because these winds are very strong. she wandered into our live shot after a tree came crashing down into her apartment moments ago. how are you doing? >> i'm fine. i'm just a little scared, shaken up. >> reporter: what happened? >> i was at home and we were chilling, the tree just came through the roof. we evacuated as soon as possible and a power line came down. >> the police told you to get out? >> they told us someone would be there as soon as possible. i just didn't want to get hurt or anything like that. >> we're so glad you're okay. we'll get you in out of this wind here in a moment.
chris, i'm going to toss it back to you. the winds are really kicking up. we're still about three hour out from the eye of the storm passing over albany so the worst is still to come here, chris. >> i hope you guy can get some shelter and i'm glad you're doing okay. for the latest on the hurricane's path, let's go to nbc news meteorologist bill karins. georgia is not florida in terms of how acclimated. >> the tree haven't been thinned in decade. that's the story in georgia. story like that poor laid is happening all through central georgia. where they're located they just had a wind gust of 70 miles per hour. we're down to a category 1 hurricane. with it, they could fall on car, on power line, they could fall on home. we may not be done with our deadly portion of the storm.
yes, the most destructive winds are done. a scary night through much of georgia. macon georgia, it will begin to weaken. the area hit hard this morning, tallahassee included towards the measurement cobeach. panama beach they're done. we still have storm force warnings up through the carolinas. winds now at 90 miles per hour. that's good. 17 he-mile-per-hour winds. let's weaken it as fast as we can, try to spare people more misery. through 2:00 a.m., eye just south of macon. the center of circulation. over augusta as the sun comes up and rains through the carolina. still isolated power out ands with winds 40 to 50-mile-an-hour. we do have flood watch up the east coast. we could have minor problems was that already. >> the rain shield from atlanta
all the way down to the south. strongest hurricane to strike since andrew in '92. it was the third lowest pressure. it was the fifth strongest winds we've had at a landfall recorded. our records go back to the $1800. so many mind boggling things. before the storm, the strongest landfall had winds of 130. this was 155. it was out of the park than any other storm in october. the poor little communities in a very unpopulated area in florida were crushed and maybe have to decide if they're going to rebuilt their town or not. with the report that came out the other day, that was kind of buried with all the other news. what zpeem of ask me, would the storm have happened if it wasn't for climate change? maybe, it probably would have happened. >> would it have been this bad.
>> that's how you have to answer. >> one of the things is that gulf water that it's moving over, was it normally warm. people said this one get like it came out of nowhere because it got so intensely so quickly. >> our computer poorly analyze the atmosphere and how much the strong winds up in the air where the jets fly would interrupt it. we knew how warm the water. three days ago, they said a cat 1. we have a lot of work to do. it's so hard to model the atmosphere. especially over water areas. we have balloon 0 help us get better information. can't do that over open water. there's still a lot of work to be done and a lot of work to be done battling climate change.
>> i'm joined mark demaria. why did the storm get so bad so quickly as it approached the panhandle there? >> the water in the gulf of mexico was particularly warm. although it was not so ab-new york, a lot of times the ocean can maintain its heat well into october, even into early november. >> what have we seen in terms of storm surge and inland coastal flooding on top of the sea level rise eave already got? >> it takes awhile to sort out the storm surge. we need to sent surveyor in there. there's not a lot of instrumentation in there. that will be sorted out over the week. we have storm surge warnings up for the coastal area. particularly in the st. mark's
area. storm search says it's not over yet. >> in the last few storms we've seen, we have seen the sheer amount of water. it seems like wind damage is the biggest threat now? >> yeah, that's correct. it's actually seeing 959-mile-per-hour winds. in south georgia, they don't get winds very often there. it doesn't take a lot of people to get a lot of damage. thaels still big hazard. >> dr. demayoria thank you very much. carry sanders where several buildings have reported by collapsed. i've seen some images of panama city that are pretty upsetting. >> they are. this is a tale of the eastern and western portion of the
storm. of course, to the east of the st43 miles from here is mexico beach. when the i came up, that was to the east. that drove in the water. the winds at 1595 miles per hour. walloped that small community. tried to get to that community is very difficult right now for emergency rishls and anybody else. as you come this side of the storm west of the i, the damage is not so much the water driven storm surge but rather the wind damage about a 15-minute drive. one of the marine a good portion of it collapsed. i was out in the winds today at 150 some odd miles an hour. i'll tell you, it took me off balance. i blew my helmet right off my head. what the folks determining how
bad the damage was. >> the wind is still glowing the real concern not letting back on tomorrow because everybody wants to come home is the downed power lines. the power is mostly out on this beach. that doesn't mean there might still be a live wire down. anybody planning on returning if they fled, that man dafry evacuation, they might want to give themselves a day or so before they consider coming back rather than driving back, getting to pan na malcity, beak unable to make it to the beach which is a separate city and finding out aside from bunking at some friends's house it, there's no no where to stay. >> thank you for joining us. from gainesville florida, craig
few date. craig what are the biggest priorities in the aftermath of something like that, particularly a plis like panama city. doing the initial search, power back on. we breaking it into life saving and light safety. and starting the recovery. i think the real challenge is those communities east of pannal ma city is being able to get in there. that's part of the reason the national guard had had helicopter brought in. started some pons opponerespons >> how do you assess the effectiveless or the lessons we've learned. we've had six hurricanes in two years. we've had a lot of experience in the last two years. how much are we getting better at recovery and relief in the wake of them? >> that's the problem we're getting good at it.
the question is why. the report points out the threat continues to increase. we've got to ask ourself, why are we always focused on response recovery. where we build, how we build has a big impact on generating response. we're fortunate this part of the coast was not highly populated. you can't respond to these big storm every year. you've l you've got to the develop in ways that are sustainable. we can't rebuild to the past. >> you mentioned future rick and the ipcc report. i want to play you. that report coming out earlier this week. very dire picture, huge in amount of scientific data marshalled to look at what the effect might be, the white house rather dismissive of it. this is an exchange at the state department. take a listen. >> that report that they
produced and its content that remains the responsible of its authors. government do not formally enforce specific findings presented by the authors. there are inherent limitations of trying to assess projd impact and costs can of warming at a specific temperature and time period. >> know there's a hurricane that is smashing into the florida panhandle right now that a lot of people say was exacerbated by climate change. the arctic ice is melting at record place. you're not sure? if you're not building climate risk into every part of the organizationing. > when we worked with president trump, he said the debate about climate change is over.
we've got to start talking about adaptation. we tried to increase the federal flood plain management standard. i continue to work on this quite hoom, if the financial markets are paying attention to climate change, moody told visor in state and local bonds, be because the increasing cost of what it's going to mitigate the risk of drawing change cog affect states abilities. the private sector is paying attention. i think time's run out. talking about climate change ask not action. i don't think we can stop what's been started. how are we going to dacht our communities to these impact. >> always a great pleasure to have you. >> we'll continue coverage ahead and update you with account have
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if you're wondering what it's like to sit down across from the president as he tries to convince you there's no chaos in the white house only to be joined in the oval office by chief of staff john kelly, vice president pence and secretary of state pompeo all playing along with the president to convince you of the same thing, then you have to read olivia nuzzi's new piece in new york magazine, it started off simple enough. nuzzdy writing yesterday she was on my way out of the white house after a series of meetings in the west wing reporting how john kelly managed to keep his job in spite of convincing and persistent rumor and reports the president is unhappy with him when she got a call saying trump wanted to speak to her. what followed was the most apparent -- we know that because reporter olivia nuzzi published the transcript of everything that happened. joining me is olivia nuzzi. washington correspondent for new york magazine. it's a wild piece.
take me through what happened. >> well, i was leaving the white house. i was there yesterday morning for a series of interviews. as you said i was trying to report a story about chief of staff john kelly. and as i was leaving i bumped into a friend, another reporter, and i was having a cigarette, which is why i was out there for a fairly long time before i would have been walking out of the gate to leave. and then as i was leaving i had this missed call. it was sarah huckabee sanders. she asked me to come back inside. i went in. she brought me to the oval office. what ensued was just a completely surreal series of events, basically, where the president was speaking to me about why my story was incorrect. my story, which i had not written yet at that point which i was still reporting. and he was answering questions i had asked to various officials in the white house that day. but that i did not directly ask him. he was sort of going through a
list of items that he must have been briefed on and then chief kelly came into the room. the vice president came into the room, mike pompeo came into the room. he was scheduled to have a lunch with the president. so i think he was probably confused, i'm guessing, about what was happening in there. but it was very, very strange. it was a -- it was one of the more surreal experiences i've had covering this white house. >> to me it was a little bit of pulling back the curtain about his method. clearly you're in there, it's sort of an intimidating setup. it's him and all these people. he's trying to work you over on what the narrative is, and he's just sort of plowing ahead with the stuff you hear at a rally, everything's the greatest it's ever been. but it also seems like the whole thing was coordinated, all about intervening in the new york magazine story about some john kelly palace intrigue. >> i don't know whether or not it was totally coordinated. it seemed that way, especially because the president kept saying, look, we didn't plan this. i think at one point he said
this is not set up. usually if somebody says it's not set up, oh, i'm sure that's true. i kept remarking sort of sarcastically when he would say that, i would say, oh, yeah, this seems very spontaneous. it was very strange. i think that it might be that sometimes people are just in and out of the oval office. obviously that was something that general kelly worked very hard to change when he came on board, the fact that there was this open door policy. that has been in various reports over the last year that the president is allegedly upset about. he misses sort of how free it felt. we talked a little bit about that yesterday. >> he gives you at some point a list of accomplishments, trump administration accomplishments, their jobs number, executive order, promises to fix the tax reform bill. images of what those look like. on the second page republicans want strong borders and no crime, democrats want open borders equaling massive crime.
my question to you is he just seems inordinately focused on this. it also seems like this is the thing he really gets into. that was my takeaway from this whole exchange. >> right. yeah, i said this in the piece, even when it comes to john kelly, it seems unbelievable to think that somebody like john kelly, who has had the kind of career that he has had would care about something like this. a story about, you know, basically palace intrigue. i think it's very important because it has implications for policy with this white house, explains why they can get certain things done and why they can't get most other things done. if you understand the way that it works inside. but it seemed like an awful lot of time to spend with sort of the -- some of the most important people in our government talking to a magazine reporter about how they get along with each other. it was bizarre. >> there's a lot of sort of performative amity that's
happening. >> i'm in favor of it. don't get me wrong. i hope it happens more often. but it was highly unusual. >> let me ask you something, he goes off the record at one point. >> i wrote that in the piece, yes. >> yeah, i was glad you wrote that in the piece. my -- the one thing i got from this is the president has been talking to reporters since he was 25 years old. he has been working reporters. he's been working them over for decades and decades. >> right. >> most of his adult life. and i just felt like i've got to see what that looks like from this piece. >> i'll be honest with you initially i did not have that in the piece. cop fusing the way that i had initially phrased it. we changed it a few minutes after publication. you're right. i remember the first time i ever interviewed him back in 2014, i was really struck by kind of the ease with which he would say, off the record, and then he would say now back on the record. most people are not that skilled. but as you've said he's been doing this for a very long time. i'll be honest with you, even today in this white house there are officials, press officials
who do not know what off the record versus background versus deep background means even to this day given the problems they've had in the past with people like anthony scaramucci, they still don't know, and i think that's remarkable. >> the president knows. >> the president certainly knows. he's very savvy about the press. >> olivia nuzzi, thank you. >> thank you. >> after the break, and the president writes an op-ed in which nearly every sentence was misleading or flat out wrong. which is proving to be the republican strategy in the era of trump. i'm alex trebek here to tell you
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the biggest newspaper in the country is "usa today." today that newspaper ran an op-ed that named as its author donald trump as president of the united states. it was about health care and fact checked by "the washington post" which found that almost every sentence contained a misleading statement for a falsehood. you could just read it. it's plainly not true. that has to be a first the
nation's largest newspaper. it is nothing new for the president or the republican party which realized health care is the number one issue for voters this year and so they've embarked on a coordinated midterm strategy to ridiculously and flagrantly lie about health care in an and speech. joining me senior national correspondent c jonathan cohen track aggop rhetoric and wrote about trump's rambling op-ed. >> two obvious flagrant lies. we said we'll protect existing conditions and bring down premium, we're doing both but those aren't true. >> no, we all remember 201, right? president trump got elected. the first priority of had his administration was to repeal it the affordable care act. that's what he spent most of the year trying to do. the legislation he was pushing would go have gutted protection for people with pre-existing conditions.
he kept pushing it and eventually the bill failed, one vote in the senate different and it would have become law. since that happened, he's done what he could to underline those protection using his own authority. there is a case in federal court in text where the government is asking a judge to throw out the conditions for pre-existing conditions. his justice department is supporting that lawsuit. he's walking around saying we always protect, protect. >> not just them, state attorney general including josh haul little who happens to be running for senate. he is named on that suit to below up the aca. and this is the ad he's running in his senate right now the. >> earlier this year we learned our oldest has a rare chronic disease, pre-existing condition.
we know what that's like. i'm josh hauly, i support force og insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions. >> stop suing. >> it's preprosperous. this is as straight up a lie as you will see in politics. he's on than lawsuit. he has supported repeal. it is simply not true to say he think it's important that he would fight to protect people with pre-existing conditions. he's saying it because you know, he know that's what the voters want to hear. >> the other big lie and i've seen it in ad after ad is republican running with the idea whichever democrat they're running against support single payer medicare for all. even when they haven't. every democrat everywhere is single payer medicare for all. and that will steal your
medicare. >> this was what trump was writing today in the op-ed. everybody wants to endorse medicare for all and that's what every single democrat wants. there are some democrats who want that, bernie sanders, a number of democratic senator including some who run for president have supported it. one of the things you learn about medicare for all, when you explain it to people it's pretty popular. >> exactly. >> people like the idea of saying gee, you mean i wouldn't have to worry about copayments and deductible? i wouldn't invest to worry about doctor networks? it might be less expensive? look, it's a complicated idea. there's lots of reasons you might or might not like it. it's not clear to me when you say the democrats will give you medicare for all, people will run wa screamin >> they sent they have a winning hand to play on this.
hurricane michael is a category 1 storm now as it moves through georgia. it roared on shore as a cat 4, fueled by unusually warm waters in the gulf of mexico just day after the world's top authority issuing a report warning that we have about 12 years to stave off the most dire consequences of climate change, including more of these kinds of intense storms. joined now by dr. irwin redlener, director of the national center for disaster preparedness at columbia university. are we doing enough? are we getting better to prepare for disaster and cope and deal with it in the era of climate change we're in? >> not really, unfortunately. we keep calling these things wake-up calls and we treat them
more like snooze alarms. we get all aroused and the drama and hit the button and we're back into a state of complacency. things have been -- some things are better. fema is better than it was during the old michael brown days but we have a lot of work to do. and i'm especially worried about the upstream issues like climate change, like we still have very vulnerable people living in poverty in very high risk areas, still keep building in the most vulnerable parts of our country. it's a little progress and a lot of back sliding. >> if you take this seriously you're talking about something comprehensive and ambitious in how you conceptualize everything from flood insurance to zoning to building, to preparedness, how we do what we do and how we deal with the built environment. >> yeah, we have -- everything about it, we just went through hurricane maria in puerto rico, just wrecked the country, we just rebuilt the electrical system. exactly the same way it was before the storm hit.
>> is that really true? >> yeah, it's true and it's just as fragile as it was before. the money didn't show up. the very grandiose plans the u.s. corps of engineers presented i was at a press conference in san juan ten day before the storm. big power point presentation, i've got to bury the cable and microgrids and solar power. it turns out nobody did that. >> there was not the money for it or the will for it? >> hard to say. and, you know, the governor of puerto rico just set up a commission that's sort of looking into what the issues were. i'm going to be on the commission. >> is it as stunning to you as it is to me that we have not done more to figure out what happened that killed 3,000 americans? >> it's an unbelievable situation. and, you know, the searing images of the president throwing a roll of paper towels like it was a football to the people suffering from the effect of that storm, there are so many issues involved here. where was the military for many, many weeks? they finally showed up with one of the big hospital shifts.
they basically languished in the harbor there for, you know, a couple of months, didn't see any patients to speak of and then they left. the whole thing was horrendous from top to bottom. we do need to get to the bottom of this. we have issues to do with the pre-existing conditions that put us in that situation, the lack of resilience, the lack of resources. the other thing that happens is, once the cameras are gone. >> right. >> and the focus is gone, then especially with puerto rico, which doesn't really have representation in congress, they're just struggling like crazy. on the other hand, chris, hurricane harvey wreaked incredible damage in texas, people in port arthur and beaumont still suffering there too. problems one unto the other. >> and after the camera is gone, i remember reporting in the aftermath of sandy here in the metro area in new jersey and in the rockaway for a year afterwards people's lives were spun around like tops and not really recovered after that. >> correct. >> it sounds like you're saying we don't have the resilience in place to deal with that as we
think what's going to happen to these folks in rather poor area of the state of florida getting pounded by michael. >> if you map the had impoverished area that coast and look at the storm trajectory -- by the way, 60 square mile superfund site right in harm's way. an old air force base. totally contaminated. there's like 19 hospital and 100 something nursing homes. we have really big problems, none of those things are as resilient as we would like them to be. we'll have a really big problem trying to recover that community and a lot of loss of life. >> thank you so much for being here. >> it's been eight day since jamal khashoggi walked into a saudi arabian consulate in turkey han he has not been seen his. tonight we have breaking news on his disappearance next.
the disappearance of their columnist jamal khashoggi after he walked into a saudi consulate in turkey eight days ago. the paper reporting tonight muhammad bin salomon the crowns prince of saudi arabia ordered an operation to lure khashoggi back to saudi arabia and detain him, according to u.s. intelligence intercept of saudi officials discussing the plan. ow yet what really happened to jamal khashoggi last week, seen there entering the consulate. but authorities seemed convinced he was murdered inside that building you're seeing there. an outlet such as "the new york times," the associated press reported allegations that khashoggi was also dismembered. it's unclear what the u.s. government might have known ahead of time and unclear what they are doing now beyond trusting saudi arabia to be investigate themselves. >> are you demanding an information? >> yeah, we are. we're demanding everything. that's a bad situation.
>> here to help me understand, buzz feed news editor. so first thing is, there has been a pressure turned up by united states senators in the white house a bit. mike pence and pompeo and the president. but it seems to me it all sort of buys the saudi line that there's an investigation. >> right. and we haven't seen anything to back that up. we have seen no evidence by the saudis that khashoggi ever left the building like they claim. and if you believe the saudis, he's wandering around in istanbul somewhere. or gotten on a plane to somewhere else. >> and by the way, an extremely surveilled city. with cctv everywhere. so the fact that there is no footage of khashoggi leaving the building is suspect. the fact that the trump administration seems to be calling on saudi arabia to cough up whatever evidence it has without putting any real pressure on them seems dubious. >> yeah. there's also to me an unreliable
narrator problem which a lot of the information we're getting are coming from turkish security officials who aren't necessarily trustable carte blanche. >> and the reporters that are reporting on this are doing a great job with things in they're getting. but all the narrative is coming from turkish officials who we're not sure what sort of influence geopolitics would have on a story like this. we don't know whether the claim that first came out on saturday that he was killed in the consulate is true or not. we just don't know that. but the turkish officials are really pushing this forward. to be fair, it does advance their rivalry with saudi arabia. >> and they have named the 16 officials. they said one was an autopsy doctor brought in there. if "the washington post" story is right, what i think is so explosive about that, the idea this lrs mohammed salman
personally ordering this operation. this is a guy is -- you can see him pictures with richard branson and sitting down, he and jared kushner are buddies. it really makes you wonder what did the u.s. government know about this ahead of time? >> right. that's still unclear. we see senators talking about the fact they got intelligence briefing. we see this report from shane harris at "the washington post." but what the story doesn't say is he ordered the specific operation in turkey. it says they wanted to lure him from his home in virginia where he had been living for the last year away from the clutches of the saudi regime, back to saudi arabia to be detained. where the istanbul consulate comes into this is still very unclear. >> great point. and we don't know if it's part of the same operation. what we do know is if they did in fact either kidnap him, apprehend him or murder him inside that consulate, that is a remarkably provocative move, and it only happens i think if they
think they can get away with it because they have been given such a green light by this administration. >> i would have to agree. since muhammad became the crown prince, he came to the u.s. and did a pr tour, and he's really gotten a lot of people on his side, and the trump administration, from day one, has been extremely poor on calling out regimes with poor human rights records. so the fact that the saudis possibly can even think that they would get away with this is a terrible sign for how the relationship is going between saudi arabia and d.c. like if they think that the relationship is so valuable, so important, that they can do whatever they want carte blanche, that says a terrible thing about the balance of power between d.c. and riyadh. >> and i also wonder what message it sends to every other country in the world that wants dissident or journalist walking around abroad killed. >> on the one hand we see russia acting in the united kingdom with the poisoning, et cetera. but this is saudi arabia acting
inside its region. both countries that are friendly to the u.s. so if our allies think they can get away with this, what does that say about our adversaries? >> great point. hayes brown, thanks you very much for your time. good morning. it is thursday, october 11th. there is a wide path of destruction along the florida panhandle this morning after hurricane michael made landfall yesterday. the storm came on shore as an unprecedented and kacategory 4. two deaths are being blamed on the storm, including an 11-year-old child. >> panama city is where the damage is extensive. the storm
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