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today and tomorrow. yes, tomorrow a fresh new live show of "politics nation" right here on msnbc now on saturdays and sundays. tonight's lead, with the midterm elections three weeks out, i'll talk to new jersey senator corey booker about where his party needs to go after brett kavanaugh's confirmation to the supreme court. and by now you've seen or might be trying to forget you saw president trump's disturbing late week meeting with kanye west. but i'll tell you why the real tragedy was what you didn't see or hear. but first closing out a week dominated by the president's relationship with famous black people, here's what he said last night at an ohio rally. >> we're asking, as an example,
all african american voters to honor us this november with their support. get away from the democrats. >> joining me now christine emba, liz copeland, and david brock. thank you all for being with me. let me go to you first, christine. president obama said avenfrican americans should vote for him, he'd be honored and they should get away from the democrats. but then the next night he comes and says this about a confederate general. >> so robert e. lee was a great general, and abraham lincoln developed a phobia, he couldn't
beat robert e. lee, he was going crazy. i don't know if you know this. but robert e. lee was winning battle after battle after battle and abraham lincoln came home and he said i can't beat robert e. lee. >> now i said president obama, obviously it was president trump that said that. how does anyone expect for african americans to honor them with their vote if they're calling a confederate general, who led a military movement based really on treason and on slave ownership, calls him a great general? >> what it shows is that donald trump really does not know the african american audience well. first of all that phrasing african americans should honor
republicans, a little bit awkward shall we say. and the next night in ohio he went on this tangent about general lee who he knows that his base appreciates, primarily white, very concerned over the removal of confederate statues, those are the real people he's trying to attract. when he speaks to african americans, it's off the cuff. it doesn't really matter to him, and he knows that. >> liz, one would have to say that president donald trump knows that robert e. lee is a confederate generals, one of the statues being protested was of robert e. lee. so clearly one has to ask is he really trying to get african american voters or is he using them as a backboard to score with those that are to the far right and are intensive or are outright hostile to african
american voters' interests? >> i don't think donald trump realizes exactly what he's saying. history will tell you upon talking about the issue of confederate statues that general lee wasn't in support of it during his time. so i think the other commentator is right. he's talking to his base, who are upset about these initiatives to remove these confederate statues that are images of a terrible time in our history and to try to honor a general who was treasonous during that time, who was fighting against the united states on behalf of the south in order to protect and maintain the southern way of life, which would include slavely. but to be honest i don't think president trump is thinking african american voters are taking him seriously.
but he got about 8% of the african american vote of the 2016 election. you think about the statements he made during that cycle when he said, there's my black over there, it really just shows his lack of sensitivity. his tone deafness. again i don't think he's talking to us, he's talking to the base in that room. and i didn't see many people who looked like me there. >> david, when we look at this, how do we think in any stretch of the imagination that republicans can go along with this and not denounce it? why aren't republican leadership coming out denouncing this blatant appeal to racism, this blatant appeal to honoring people that were slave owners and actually killed american military people to defend slave holding? >> that's right. look, republicans political fortunes are tethered to this president. so on issue after issue, not
just this issue, you never see separation from elected republicans and donald trump. and you have to remember that they used to call these dog whistles in the reagan days. these aren't dog whistles, i disagree with what the last folks were saying in the sense he knows what he's doing here. these are blatant appeals to his base. the whole trump phenomenon has a racial element to it. it goes back to the suppression of the black vote and how hoe helped get himself elected in 2016. it has to do with what they're doing in georgia with purging of black votes. and go back to charlottesville, he could not condemn the nazis, the klan, the attack on the nfl players, he knows what he's doing. it's stoking up on white men.
>> how do republicans stay in the fold of the republican party if donald trump is the head of the party and is blatantly playing to racial, and in many cases, racial hostilities and divisions? >>'s in a a really good question. i spoke to a mentor of mine, michael steele, the former head of the national committee, his point and i'll share it, we're hearing a party in spite of that leader. he's the leader in title only. the reality is he doesn't speak for me or many others in the republican parties. the point that many republicans hold their nose, turn a blind eye to his statements because at the end of the day the president is able to effectuate change and policy. he's able to move the policy agenda along and they're willing to deal with his antics and
denounce -- many people like paul ryan and lindsey graham have come out and denounced his statements, certainly after charlottesville, they'll say what he's not saying is correct but he like his policies -- >> isn't that really very cynical, liz, to say yes, he can praise slave owners, he can praise confederates, yes, he can denigrate black interests, but he at least is with us on other issues. what kind of cynical use of voting is that? >> i think you're mischaracterizing what i'm saying. i'm certainly not saying that donald trump is praising slave owners. what he said was robert e. lee was strong -- >> he was a slave owner. >> he wasn't praising him being a slave owner -- >> he was praising him. that's who he was. >> you're right. but he didn't come out and say let's praise slave owners. to my point i believe he's tone
deaf, it's inappropriate, insensitive. to your point how can we as republicans stand by our party when we have the head making statements like that, it's not easy. but this is the party we have and i'm in it to effectuate change, i'm an urban conservative. rural conservatives might agree with it. as an urban conservative i have a problem with it. i'm not the only one to speak out about it. >> christine, donald trump is an urban conservative, he's not from rural. he knows what he's saying and he's dealt with a city that has racial discrimination. in fact, he was sued for racial discrimination in housing early in his real estate career. so saying you're an urban republican -- either you're with someone or not. let me ask you this, if barack obama had praised someone who had been similar in terms of
being an extremist against whites, would "the washington post" where you are and others have let him get away with that? >> i don't think so. and i don't think the media or anyone else has let him get away with anything. even the insinuation he was friends in the past with radicals had hammered on. i think the word titular is interesting here and useful. donald trump does know he's supposed to be america's president so he makes these half hearted attempts to reach out to african americans so he can say he's president to all people but we see the sincerity or lack thereof when he says things like honor us and i'm going to spend ten minutes talking about my favorite confederate general to my real fans.
he's just playing lip service, and unfortunately it's to african americans. >> i want to talk about one african american he reached out to later in the week. the panel is staying with us. but coming up, senator corey booker, i'll ask if the president has the right to call his opponents a, quote, mob. and whether he'll run for president in 2020. we'll be right back. president i. we'll be right back. insurance that won't replace the full value of your new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪
senator corey booker was in the battleground state of iowa early this week, urging state democrats to keep the faith after brett kavanaugh's supreme court confirmation and teasing up even more speculation that he's gearing up for a presidential run in 2020 by taking a big stage just hours after casting a well publicized no vote against kavanaugh's confirmation. i caught up with senator booker to ask him about all of this and what he thinks about his party and what it must do to bridge gaps with black voters. there are three weeks left before the midterm elections. senator booker, thank you for joining us this evening on our first weekend of "politics nation" at this hour. i wanted, first of all, and
there's a lot of issues i want to get in our discussion. but first, you were one of the most vocal and passionate during the kavanaugh hearings. a week later how do you see it and what has the nation learned from this whole encounter, and what do you advise we do going forward? >> we took a painful defeat, but we are not defeated. now we have to let our hurt and outrage and gets out working because the midterms so important. we saw how important one seat could be in having a house of representatives that will stand up for people. everybody has to take their energy now and direct them towards the polls. >> you've been around the country and you've been campaigning for democratic candidates all over the country. what are you feeling out there?
what are you hearing from people? >> i've been, as you said, from rural areas, urban areas, atlanta, to the west, nevada, arizona and i'm seeing so much energy already and i'm hoping we can turn the dial up in these last bits. the aligned sort of dark money, corporate power, is pouring -- the last few days is going to pour tens of thousands of dollars in the races. and we understand the power of the people is greater than the people with power. we have to stand up with all their money with our mobilization and work. i see a lot of energy out there, it's exciting me, but we know the last three plus weeks are where elections are decided and we have to get people out there to vote, volunteer, to call, to give a dollar. i posted on my social media accounts ways for people to make a tangible difference. >> we see this week that the
president has really continued to play this divisive game, sending all kind of dog whistles, calling protesters mobs, saying things that clearly border on just blatant divisive language, yet kanye west and others meeting with him out thing make america great, how do you respond to the tone of the president and using other people to try to neutralize that tone by acting as if what he is doing is in some way fair and inclusive? >> for the president to criticize anybody, for folks who don't have his position and power to talk down to them, when he was campaigning about punching people in the face, talked with rhetoric that was inciting people to do things that nobody could condone, for even while he's been in office, the way he degrades individuals,
the terminology he uses. he seems to be someone that's whipping up the worst of our angels. and often to take steps that are -- this is a guy that couldn't even condemn nazis marching. he has no moral standing whatsoever, when it comes to standing about the actions of nonviolent protesters. this is a time, though, we need to be calling for a revival of grace. this is a time we need to be calling for the radical love that we saw from generations before. now radical love means confronting injustice, whether that's bull connor of old or other folks trying to perpetrate injustices. so we have to match his outrageous works again with our determined works in this election. we know if we splflip the housed senate, we are going to have the needed checks and balances on a president who controls the white
house and the senate. and we saw him last week flip in his favor the supreme court. >> when you look at the passion going to the polls, you look at the state of georgia where the associated press did a story this week where they're taking people's names off the voter registrati registration rolls and people not knowing it and 70% of them black, we have to be vigilant to protect the vote. >> this is why what's happening in the justice department under jeff sessions is so outrageous, they're not fighting these cases, so we have to put people in position to do these things. let the house of representatives go back to democrat control so we can investigate these things. not with dirty tricks, standing on the sideline calling foul. we need to be on the field. the only thing that stands in our way right now with getting
justice is apathy, indifference and lack of engagement. in georgia we have the numbers despite their dirty tricks. we have the numbers right now to elect stacy abrams and flip house seats. when you hear about this stuff going on, respond to their dirty tricks with your determination. respond to their outrages with you out working. we have to get people engaged. king said it better than i can, we have to repent for -- this was during the outrageous days of segregation and white supremacy, we have to repent for inaction of people. >> where some of us are concerned is it seems that the democratic governors' association, that does a lot of fund-raising and resources for gubernatorial races, have not
really invested in some key races that african-americans are running in, the florida race with andrew littgillum and geor with stacy abrams, so the dea itself seems to not be investing at the proportion it should in states that the democrats can win. are they taking the black vote for granted? >> i was with ben last night and he told me about the data of his campaign compared to other campaigns around the country. if you look at where we have the best chance to win in a blue state like maryland a guy like that if he gets invement from the gda he can win that seat. so to me it's unacceptable. i was there yesterday and i'm going to continue fighting. the message has to be sent, that's a race we can win.
and not to invest in ben, former head of the naacp, worked on gay rights, he needs to have support from his party. so the dga has to do more to invest in that race. looking at the numbers alone, i was mayor i said in god we trust but analyze the data. >> you see desantis in florida being accused of racial statements. you see, as i mentioned, in georgia people being taken off the rolls by the secretary of state who's running against stacy abrams. these are things that are going to have to be dealt with no matter who people decide to vote for. >> again, we know factually right now there are schemes going on all over this country from texas to north carolina -- in north carolina a federal judge said attempts to suppress the vote was like using
quote/unquote surgical precision to disenfranchise african-americans. that's why this is high stakes right now. if we don't want to roll back to the days where you saw voter suppression rampant, and it's getting worse and worse with every republican legislature doing things to restrict the vote. the way to answer that is by getting to the polls and fighting back. we know this is our history. the edmund pettis bridge, remember that was about voting rights. our ancestors were willing to take beatings and gassings to stand up for the right to vote. seeing voter suppression going on, we have to be willing to make our sacrifice and the least we can ask of each other is our civic duty and getting out to vote. this election if we win state houses and attorney general races we can push back. if you stay home during the
fight you're surrendering the field and the rights our ancestors fought and died to have. now is the moment. if it is to be, it is up to me. what are you going to do in this time when the cause of our country is at hand. >> you have proposed with some of your colleagues an anti-lynching bill. people don't know lynching has never been made into a federal crime. explain to us the bill. >> this is a darker part of our history when thousands and thousands of people, mostly african-americans for such a long -- from the 17, 1800 -- excuse me from the 1800s to 1968 thousands of african-americans were lynched around this country and there were efforts in this body to stop that, dozens of efforts but it was blocked. we've never made lynching a
federal crime in this country. and it is a sore, sore point. a blistering festers part of our history that we have never addressed. especially for the memory of those folks and those families who had not only been lynched but there never were investigations into their lynchings so this is a bill to correct our past, to show we are having a moment of reconciliation in this country. it is a bipartisan bill, i have tim scott, kamala harris and others working with me on this. this is a time we need to right wrongs of history where we need to have reconciliation and recognition of our tragic past and we need to move together understanding the hurtful aspect of our past. make this a federal crime and show that we are willing to start to address some of the unaddressed issues from our common history. >> president trump took a shot at you saying you ran newark
into the ground. i don't know when he's been in newark, but i saw a real renaissance when you were mayor. as i let you go, do you want to respond to the president? >> the president tries to do things like this to suck attention from the health care policy, how he's hurting farmers with the tariffs. anybody who drives through newark can see this is the first time in 60 years the population is growing, biggest economic boom we've had in 60 years when i was there. schools going up. drive through newark anybody can see the city is thriving. that's why corporations are moving back from m&m, mars, panasonic. he's trying to take cheap shots. and more important trying to take our attention away from the election, away from voting rights, away from civil rights. let's focus on the issues and
not continue to distract us with petty personal attacks. attack me all you want but let's all focus on the truth of america, i know we have the power we need to take our nation forward, counter donald trump and more importantly deepen our country. > last time i had you on and you didn't want to talk about. but i notice you got a lot of attention in iowa. does that mean we're closer to a run corey run? >> you know you're a good friend of mine. i'm not saying anything on this show but you'll be one of the first people that knows what i'm going to do. focus should stay on the election and i'm focussing on 2020 is my reelection year in new jersey so i'm focus there had. but for the next 25 days or next it is all about the midterm elections. >> senator corey booker, thank you for being with us. >> thank you very much.
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people expect that if you're black you have to be democrat. i have a -- i have conversations that basically said that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being democrat. it was illegal for blacks to read. or african-americans to read. so that meant if you read the amendment, you get locked up. at any given point we say this is racist, this is racist, this is racist. i said i like trump, to like someone liberal, they'll say he's racist. you think racism can control me? that don't stop me, that's an n invisible wall. >> kanye west earlier this week meeting with president trump in what was supposed to be a conversation about criminal justice and prison reform. instead it quickly turned into a
disturbing kanye rant -- rant session i would add. where none of the issues were addressed, at least not publically. let me tell you what i think about this. in my memo to president trump, i'm not going to go into calling kanye a bunch of naples. let me ask you, you met with kanye and football great jim brown many months ago and you were to discuss the same issues. i thought at least you would say where you are in making progress on criminal justice, where you are in prison reform. what you have done. and announce where your goals are. where you are going forward. you talk about building the wall. where are you going to build things on those serious issues? but it never came up. you sat back and let kanye freestyle in the oval office, in front of the press. i don't have to call him names.
he told you who he was himself. >> trump is on a hero journey right now. he might not have expected to have a crazy [bleep] like kanye west run up and support -- >> on that we both agree. i remember donald trump, you saying just about two weeks ago, chicago should have stop and frisk. you're a new yorker like i am, and we proved in new york stop and frisk was racially executed differently. 87% of the people stopped and frisked were black or people of color when we're nowhere near that in population. why would you propose that? why would you never discuss the laquan mcdonald case that just convicted a police officer? why won't you deal with the critical issues? and the last part of my memo to you, mr. president, since you said you were so impressed with kanye, why don't you take him on
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campaign trail. he's scheduled to speak shortly in richmond, kentucky. you're looking at a live shot there. he's also talking more with the media. but will his plan work or backfire? back with me christine ember of the washington post, gop strategist liz copeland and media matters founder david brock. will it backfire or work? >> it will backfire. they can only send him into these deep red districts. he's riling up his base but not doing anything in the districts they need. so democrats are doing very well on the candidates, the most diverse candidates, more military background on money, witness texas. on health care. on real accountability for the
administration. and on enthusiasm. the idea that kavanaugh ginned up their base has been a myth. there's been no data to back that up. >> let me ask you, christine, we see women are energized, more women running, more women voting. early voting is showing that data that democrats are voting early at a larger percentage than republicans. are we going to see the blue wave, and where is it critical that we see it if it is going to include a blue wave in the senate? >> that's a great question. i think that the women's vote is definitely going to be an interesting thing to watch during these midterm elections because it's not -- although we're reporting and seeing enthusiasm already registered. it's often not until the votes are cast that we see what women think. speaking to republican and
democratic and independent women around the country many have strong feelings about trump, about what happened in the kavanaugh confirmation, have strong feelings about the direction of the country. they may not have said these before alloud, they may not shae the views with their husband, but when they enter the polling booths and in private by themselves, it will be important to keep an eye on where those votes are going. >> let me ask you this, liz, the republicans seem to forget donald trump did lose the popular vote by 2.8 million voters. when we say he's going to his base, let's not forget his base is not the majority of voters in 2016 and clearly may not be the base this year. but as you said, the policies and things that he's doing, many republicans like. 50 federal judges are put on the
bench, kavanaugh in the supreme court. is the strategy of the republicans to let the blue wave take at least the house, if we can permanently alter the judicial system? >> absolutely not. i don't know any republican who's willing to let go of the house or the senate in order to be able to put more conservative jurists on the bench. i want to correct one thing earlier about donald trump being an urban conservative, he's not. he's not been consistently conservative. he is a republican and he is going out and speaking to other republicans and what he's talking about is political rhetoric that's ginning up the base and making sure they're engaged and galvanized. we talk about women before the kavanaugh hearings, republicans supported the nominee by about 58% and after shot up to 70%. i think that is an indication of the type of response you're going to get at the polls. and the "usa today" came out saying the democrats have a
problem in the midterms. 18 to 29-year-olds, 66% aren't certain they're going to vote. and i believe it was politico who had a survey that said there's a latino problem -- >> david, address that data. >> the truth about the kavanaugh effect is if there is one it goes to the benefit of the democrats. the generic ballot, people saying they want a republican or democrat controlled congress, the democrat is stronger after kavanaugh at 13. and the gender gap is huge over 30 points. so white college educated women were appalled at the treatment of ford and they are turning out in these districts that count in these swing disstricts. >> we will be watching. thank you. up next the voting rights act was passed in 1965 but here we are 53 years later talking
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and this week, civil rights groups sued the state of georgia over associated press reports that republican secretary of state and gubernatorial candidate brian kemp is blocking tens of thousands of mostly black residents from registering. largely as democrats and thus favoring his opponent, stacy abrams. in texas, the state's online registration portal failed for 36 hours just days ahead of the deadline. but state republicans remain convinced that the real threat is from illegal voting. joining me now is dr. victoria d. francesca, msnbc contributor and professor, and derek johnson, president and ceo of the naacp.
derek, let me go to you first, you and many of us in the civil rights community that have been working together, that have been outraged, not only with georgia where i himself would blush at this maneuver that has been used, but around the country, we have been dealing with repeated clear cases of what appears to be intentional voter suppression. >> absolutely. and first of all, al, congratulations on getting another hour, to hear your important voice. like you, the naacp, we are monitoring the process of elections across the country. we are now preparing to file a lawsuit in tennessee, where we are seeing an election commissioner withholding tens of thousands of newly registered voters applications that have not been processed. we are looking at cases in ohio and in pennsylvania. this year's election cycle is an important election cycle, and
based on our polling, african-americans feel disrespected. and as a result of that, they are registering to vote and they will turn out in record numbers. >> victoria, tell us what happened in texas, where you are teaching and located. because i think this is an example of what derek is referring to, that many of us in the civil rights community have monitored on a nonpartisan basis, i might add, across the country. >> absolutely, reverend. so it has been shenanigan after shenanigan. a little over a week ago, vote.org had 2400 voter registrations denied by the secretary of state, saying they didn't meet all of the qualifications necessary. namely that the signature was electronic. the voter law is unclear on that. remember the last secretary of state rejected it outright. and then a couple of days later, friday afternoon, last friday
afternoon, the voter registration link with the application goes down and it is down for 36 hours. and granted, that the deadline to register to vote here in texas was this past tuesday. and so it just felt a little bit too close for comfort. >> and then a couple of days later, we see a state senator, republican state senator here, call for an emergency election, i'm sorry, an emergency committee hearing on election security because of concerns about the massive voter registration rates of folks who are not citizens and not eligible to vote. so all of those illegals, quote-unquote, voting and trying to register. so you add all of these up, and you get this picture of where texas, you know, that very ugly history, that we had tried to get away from, that jim crow era history, seems to be creeping back. and let's not forget that it wasn't too long ago that we had the texas voter i.d. law.
so you take the texas voter i.d. law and all of this other stuff to quell the voices of the minority community. >> much of those in the civil rights community, including and especially the naacp, have spent a lot of time dealing with the supreme court nomination, and judicial nominations, which has not gotten the same amount of publicity. but we have seen president trump nominate and the senate confirm many right wing people to the federal court, which are lifetime appointments. is the danger that now we are looking at a judiciary that would uphold some of these laws and some of these voting allowances that really will is suppress people of color and people of a certain income from
being able to exercise the right to vote that the civil rights movement secured? >> well, it was the supreme court who took out section five of the voting rights act, which opened the door for georgia to do what it is doing, for texas to do what it's doing, for north carolina to do what it tried to do. as a result of the pre-clearance measure. it is controlled by the federal court. it is through the federal court that civil rights were advanced in this country. and it will be through the federal courts, undoing of the civil rights legislation, that we have seen pretty much make dem creation work in this country. elections have consequences. and as a result of the presidential election of 2016, we are seeing a sharp turn to try to get control of the federal bench. it is important for african-americans and latino-americans and well-minded other americans to go vote during this midterm election, so we can slow this process down, put some checks and balances on the white house, and ensure that
all of our children's future are brighter than the past that we know could be very dark and grim. particularly in the jim crow south. >> francesca, this right now, this system has no real checks and balances in terms of policy. the legislative branch, the executive branch, and judicial branch, now headed by right wingers. how do we deal with that, and is that the reason this midterm election becomes very important? >> it falls on our shoulders, reverend. it falls on the shoulders of voters. and that's why it is so important that we see these mobilization efforts by nonpartisan organizations to get folks motivated to turn out and vote. folks who usually don't turn out and vote regrettably in the latino community, we know a big chunk of latinos have not been in the habit of voting. we need to change that habit. because changing that habit, among latino, among
african-americans, among white folks who previously have not voted and want to see those checks and balance, we have to get them first to register, and then get them out to the polls. so that is on us. >> thank you very much, victoria d. francesca, and derek johnson, on our first night at 5:00. we'll be right back. ronda starte and then, more jobs began to appear. these techs in a lab. this builder in a hardhat... ...the welders and electricians who do all of that. the diner staffed up 'cause they all needed lunch. teachers... doctors... jobs grew a bunch. what started with one job spread all around. because each job in energy creates many more in this town. energy lives here.
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