can imagine. >> welcome to up. every saturday and sunday at 8:00 eastern time alex witt would be on at noon today. that was president trump in a clip from "60 minutes" that was released saturday morning. and that was president trump's saturday afternoon, taking questions from the oval office. an hour later he was taking more questions on the south lawn. >> chain migration is not a good thing. chain migration is bad. >> a few hours after that, the president held his fourth campaign rally this week in kentucky in which he slammed the democrats. >> the democrats have become totally consumed by their chilling lust for power. >> prepare yourself for it what the daily beast calls a media blitzkrieg. these were all of president trump's media appearances this

week. and that was before saturday. all of this by design. the president wants to flood the zone. in september he told his senior staff, quote, he didn't feel like he was talking to enough reporters and he needed to talk to as many as humanly possible in the coming weeks. "the new york times" reports when the president does not appear on the front page of his favorite papers haesz made it a point to do or say something to get there the next day. many democrats want the mid-terms to be about the president. it seems the president agrees. let's kick thing offs. with me this hour the host of stand up on serious xm insight, timothy o'brien, executive from bloomberg opinion. suffice to say we hear enough from the president. maybe not from interviews but explain the blitzkrieg. >> first and foremost donald trump is a performance artist.

it's either self-preservation or self-aggrandizement. there's few other lenses to explain. he's not talking about tax cuts, not health care policy. he's trying through dent of personality to sway the mid-terms. it seems some of its written in stone, but i could be wrong. i think he's going out to sort of foster this personality around him. i think mitch mcconnell has hit that line, laura engram has. it's gotten very contagious. i think they think this idea there's a left or group of critics or media or out of control mob targeting the president is the most effective message they have because they certainly can't get real policy. >> this newly free pastor is welcomed back to the united

states, goes to the oval office, there's a prayer, the president asking the pastor's wife who she voted for, and the president opens it up to questions. not about the pastor's release. he seems to relish, the president seems to relish not staying focused and talking ability what his advisers are sure he should be talking about. >> he's a cult leader. we're not talking about a political party in the normal sense of the word. we're talking about a cult. and if you are a leader of a cult, you have to keep showing up, right? jesus has to show up and be like, sol, why have you not voted for me? that's what he's trying to do. >> he can re-create it or trump will because he thinks his jesus. there's a lot of truth to that.

i mean what we think evangelical christians used to believe or told to believe isn't what they believe. they believe whatever their leader trump who has replaced whatever sense of morality they either had. they're not necessarily concerned with what christianity taught me shortly before i abandoned it because of science. well, that's just my personal opinion. that's not obviously there's. i don't mean any disrespect by it. but the point is they're not being consistent with their values. their values are whatever trump tells them their values to be, and he understands that. >> well, i think their values have never been consistent. when you think for example about the pro-life movement. if you really are pro-life, then where is your support for policies for education after the child is born, where is your

support for policies for maternal health care after the child is born. i think we all know now maternal health care is in danger in the united states. we are supposedly one of the most advanced countries in the world and yet maternal health care is going down particularly for african-american women. where are you when we're talking about prenatal health care, education, housing? essentially they are more pro-birth. and once a woman gives birth, bye, that's it. that's always pretty much been the case, but with respect to trump, at the end of the day and i think this is extremely dangerous for the country, the president of the united states right now is megalomaniac. that is what he really is. he cares about himself, he cares about his businesses, cares about his pockets. everything else is secondary, and that's a serious problem. and we it playing it out with saudi arabia.

he was more forceful and more against dr. ford and those kinds of people than against the saudi arabian government with what happened with this journalist. >> but the question was -- and my question is does this help him or hurt him? he wants to be out in front and have us talk about him all day every day, and i think that's good for those of us who want him gone. the more we're reminded everything would be better if he went away and wouldn't be outrageous every day -- >> you're shaking your head. >> i think on the left people couldn't hate trump anymore. we're already at an 11 with that. >> just in case you forgot for a second. >> but on the right he motivates people. and when he gets out on the stump, my phone goes nuts with people saying racist things on twitter, right. that doesn't happen when ted cruz gives a talk but when trump gives a talk. the 30%, 35% of the people he's talking to gets really fired up

when trump sprinkles them with the kool-aid and tells them to go out and act like this. >> none of this is surprise. this is guy who campaigned for president and how he's been running his presidency. i think the gop has hitched its wagon to a trump phenomenon because they're getting changes in the courts, they got a massive tax cut. so there are real policy components to this that are going to have long-term effects. i think for trump personally he doesn't care about policy. he's ill-informed and not t strategic. he cares about being center stage. >> that's his policy. >> i said it, he's a megaloma megalomaniac. >> i want to ask you about the consequences of this. sarah sanders said he's the best message for his policy. we've seen her just over the course of this week not having

those briefings, seeing this op-ed today riddled with airings and factual mistakes in kentucky and ohio all of these falsehoods. talk about that. >> well, he's the only tool really in the white house's tool kit. it's not a competent administration. sarah huckabee is willing to get out front on camera and obstriicate and lie and spin. all she's out there for is to defend the president as a personality. and that's what motivates most of that white house. most of the machinations of that white house are about people stepping up to trump's needs and sort of responding to his desire to be seen as infallible and on top of things. that's generally what motivates that white house. it's fine if you're marketing something. it's not if you're managing something. that's why his white house isn't good at the managing process.

>> the other tool he has is the right wing media. the idea bill shine who used to run fox news in the white house, and hope hix who used to run the white house is now at fox news, that should be talked about more. those guys are always on the phone. and those are tools that -- they just do whatever he tells them to do to get ratings to divide us further. >> he's the only messenger on their side that can swallow the racism -- everybody else if they say something obviously racist or obviously sexist, they get hit for it. it hurts them in the polls. trump is the only one that's allowed to be so front and center -- >> but look what's happening in georgia. i actually think trump has made it okay for people to wear racism in their sleeves and actually affect it in policy. you've got the 21st policy in the trump rear ais undoing the 20th severry efforts to get rid

of 19th century things like gerrymandering -- >> trump is the reason they're okay with it. brian kemp isn't doing this. brian kemp doesn't have the creativity to try to figure out how to effectuate this. he reminds all these racist people it's total okay to be racist and that is why he's so effective while he's on the stump. >> you know what, we no longer have to be politically correct, and what he means by that is you can say what you want to say, you can be what you want to be and that is racist. wear it loud, wear it proud. wear the t-shirt, we all know what that is. and i think we've all seen incidents all over this country. and it is not just in areas where we would expect it, it is

also on the east coast. we have seen white people who feel deputized to police the bodies of black people. and you see it everywhere. you have your cornerstone caroline who called police on a 9-year-old boy who claimed he sexually groped her, and all he did was -- >> you have fire chiefs and people who are saying horrific things on facebook or to people, and often there are kuconsequens and they're losing their jobs, but the cover they're giving what i call not necessarily racist but of course the sexism, with everything that he has said his entire career from the apprentice to the campaign to the white house, and what brett kavanaugh has said and the defense of it, that stuff matters a great, great deal, and we can't stop talking about it. >> you're right. and what you see with the people

who are making those comments on facebook and twitter is that they are being -- they have ascended into the ranks of government. so even judges, right, you've had judges who have sat before the committee and been asked, well, what do you feel about brown vs. board of ed, can you say right now that was a supreme court -- and you have these people saying i'm not -- i'm not so sure and -- >> well, he praised robert e. lee yesterday. >> and i think that is dangerous because particularly these positions are for life, these judge ships are going to sort of shape american policy, civil rights, environmental law,

housing, education. so many different things, so many facets of our lives. >> i told my daughters last night you guys might have been born at the wrong time based on the future of the courts. >> that's your fault. >> that is my fault. >> what's the success of the future here -- what does it tell us, though, as he's doing this exclusive for time magazine or on "60 minutes." there's always something new he's tantalizing us with or leaking. is that the metric for success or as you said just being there? >> i do think it's being there. i think we can bend over backwards trying to assess motivation. he has reached the summit of sort of his life's journey. he's the most talked about person on the planet. he's on tv 24/7. before he went and joined his

father's real estate he wanted to move to hollywood and be a movie producer. i think he writes scripts in his head about who he is. and it's one of the reasons he's a survivor. when things turn against him he either lies or just creates an alternative reality that allows him to move through situations. all he really will care about day to day is being talked about. quick programming note for you and 5:00 p.m. eastern time on saturdays and sundays right here on msnbc. and up next we're going to follow the money. how the disappearance of jamal khashoggi is now putting the spotlight on the president's financial time tuesday the kingdom of saudi arabia. financial time tuesday the kingdom of saudi arabia. cours-- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off.

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welcome back to up. president trump has not hidden his affection for the saudis. he's especially enamerate of their willingness to commit to spending money. >> i like the saudis. they buy all sorts of my stuff, all kinds of toys from trump. they pay me millions and hundreds of millions. saudi arabia and i get along great with all of them. they buy apartments from me. >> president trump's hotels revenue went up by 13% because of one single visit from the saudi crown prince. tim, i'm going to start with you. you've been in these waters for

a long time. help us understand this relationship the president has had with saudi arabia. this was his first foreign trip abroad to riyadh, this commitment they were going to buy 110 million worth of weapons. how far back does this relationship go back? >> it goes back to at least the 1990s. trump phase one is trump when he's going broke. he's almost personally bankrupt, in hot for several million dollars to u.s. banks. he can't afford to pay back any of them. and he has a yaht he can no longer afford to own and a plaza hotel at the corn of 69 and south he can no longer afford to own. so he swoops in and buys it from trump. it was a single saudi investor bailing out a guy who made a bunch of very bad business decisions who then essentially

falls off the map for about a decade. but he comes back with "the apprentice" and has a son-in-law who has a building in financial distress. and i think both of them in that later period saw the saudis as a money pit. and that can't help but hangover this administration's policymaking because it's not clear what this administration is doing visa vi the saudis is about pure policymaking or is it about jared kushner and donald trump padding their wallets and putting public policies aside. kushner was lobbying chinese investors, russian investors and middle eastern investors -- >> he was hard up. >> yeah, to bail out his family's skyscraper at 666 avenue. bob woodward has a very good ticktock of this in his book. it took most of, the extent they

want today make it through saudi arabia and israel. >> you had senator marco rubio on one of the sunday shows today saying steven mnuchin the secretary needs to pull out -- the treasury secretary has not at this point. do you see a reckoning of a change to that? you had senator bob corking singing a different tune about the saudis this week. >> no. we're dealing with the most corrupt administration in the history of the country. that's not going to change, right? they're corrupt. that's what corrupt people do. there are a lot of people being oh, trump's being blackmailed. no, he's just making money there. and we already know his people do not care he's the most corrupt president in american history. what will be interesting to see if the law has anything to say about it. right, so we have the global g

magnitsky act -- >> well said. >> which is supposed to police this kind of thing. and what that act basically says is you can't traipse around the world committing human rights violations and then open a checking account at chase. it's what we do to bond villians to keep thum from having their money in the united states without being personally being able to sanction them, right? now, that is triggered by the senate basically saying, hey, we think some human rights violations have happened, we should investigate it. so that's what bob corking did or lindsey graham and whatever democrats wanted to play along, they triggered an act of investigation under the global m magnitsky act. that makes the president have 120 days to figure out yes, and

mbs, did order the hacking -- >> assassination of a journalist. >> assassination of a journalist. unfortunately we've just been through what a white house investigation will be. if they don't want to find nothing, they ain't going to find nothing. >> the bond villain in my opinion is in the white house. trump admitted in the clip you just played that they buy stuff from me. it shouldn't be republican, democratwre democrat, conservative liberal, that shouldn't be in our interests what works for him and as america refers to jared kushner now. because he's married to the president's daughter. the president's son-in-law is on the phone with the crown prince of saudi arabia, something that was never really allowed, it was never tradition. what has been going on between the two? there's been no consequence from the trump administration against the saudi's behavior. not in yemen, not in qatar --

>> like trump has said he told "60 minutes" there will be consequence, so he set a line there -- >> he says a lot of things. >> he has said this publicly. it's been recorded. he said there's going to be consequences. the saudis responded to that this morning saying if you try to do anything you will experience consequences, too. so we now have a full-blown diplomatic war that could spill into an economic war. this is going to get hotter before it cools down. >> i think you make an excellent point when you lay out there which is where we are. that the president of the united states, his daughter and his son-in-law are compromised. i cannot say that enough. it cannot be that the president of the united states, first of all, has business holdings while he's president of the united states. i think when all is said and done we all know now, there should be a list. we should be keeping a list and keeping track of all the laws that need to be passed for the

next prejudice election. you know, you have to show your taxes. >> divest your business holdings. >> you have to have all of them. my goodness, jimmy carter had to get rid of his peanut farm before he became president -- >> well, he chose to. >> right. because there was a time in this country where the appearance of impropriety was a thing. it's dangerous for us, and we see now how that plays out. when you have a president whose business holdings sort of dictate foreign policy -- personal -- we now see how it's playing out and it's incredibly dangerous and a horrible precedent to set going forward for this country. >> there's also an aspect here where trump callusly doesn't care about what's happening. he very directly said he doesn't really care about a non-american citizen, even though khashoggi was a permanent resident.

>> the phone call was going to happen. there seemed to be so very little urgency to get to the bottom of the matter. >> like, trump's entire relationship with the press is what's allowed this to happen. and if you kind of read the diplomatic cables and the leaks coming out of the deep state, they're desperately trying to say, no, no, we do care because the deep state -- to the extent that exists -- is trying to get out the message just because we have this crazy man in the oval office doesn't mean you can go around killing american journalists, which is what the rest of the world thinks it can do. >> it's too late. the saudis are now emboldened because they have not been checked by his administration for anything that they've done. and we're probably going to see more of this going forward. >> tim, where does this lead, last question to you, jared kushner? he was practically handing out

signed copies of the mbs special magazine. there's got to be tons of executives regretting it. what's the reckoning of that? how about in the corporate community as well? >> well i think, you know, the trumps may end upcoming out of this administration shunned by the corporate community. we'll have to see on that front. that's a to be seen. one of the things let's not forget about jared kushner after mbs came to power in saudi arabia he essentially imprisoned about a dozen in the ritz-carlton. i will point out that one put in that hotel was the same guy who bought the plaza hotel from trump when he was broke. >> we will leave it there. up next on t-minus 15 months

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>> welcome back to "up." that of course was beto o'rourke, the three time congressman from el paso, texas. currently returning against incumbent republican ted cruz. congressman o'rourke is becoming a household name. he is also becoming a prolific record breaking fund-raiser. in the last quarter alone he raised more than $38 million, and for some perspective that is more money than former florida governor jeb bush raised in his entirety of his presidential campaign. i'd like to welcome back my panel. tim, let me go to you first here. there is some disparity between the money he's raking in, way more than ted cruz has. and yet you look at the most recent polling, ted cruz 51 ers, beto a rauo'rourke, 43 merse. why isn't it translating and what's it going to take to

translate? >> it cleary only isn't about money. money signifies activation around people's passions about what's going on in the country right now. but the machinery of getting people elected and bringing people out for votes isn't always about money. i think one of the things democrats are going to have to get used to, it would appear is that the senate and trump are in lock step now. mcconnell and trump used to be at different places in the world. they came together very closely on kavanaugh. i think they're going to continue together. and i don't know that the senate is going to have a happy result for people that are democrats, for democratic voters. i think the house is going to be another thing. so what does that mean for the dust settles and the money is off the table for a period, i think you're going to have to see trump try to live with a democratic hu democratic house. and trump will try to pander. let's do infrastructure spending, let's do roads and

bridges which the republicans in the senate will have no interest doing. you're going to see trump again trying to triangulate. >> what can he do with that amount of money. 802,000 people gave him money. he said he did know take money from corporations or pacts. >> i also think in therathe fact he's earned so wrumuch i think something that can unify people. every time the e-mail went out, look how much we've raised and we didn't take money from big corporate donors, these were all small donor donations, and i think that sort of encouraged people to come out and it sort of made him popular -- i know. but it mattered. if we are talking about energy, emotion, if we are talking about getting people to the polls, that does matter.

the money does matter in the sense of look how much i've raised. obviously what i'm saying resonates with people, and i think that's a message you can take somewhere. >> obviously what the general democrat party is saying is not resonating with people. there's a reason why beto o'rourke is blowing other people away. there was a "new york times" article that beto a rauo'rourkes to share his money. what democrats need to learn -- >> be simple. >> i'm going to fight somebody with words. what the democrats need to learn from o'rourke and from sanders is that standing up for your principles actually matters and smo motivates people. >> beyond motivation, where does it reside in the real world ultimately? >> money gets you in the game.

he should be spending a vast majority of money. who am i to tell beto o'rourke how he should be spending his money. he's down 7 or 9 percentage points -- well, nobody likes ted cruz, nobody really likes him. >> but texas does. >> but a lot of people in texas support him. and this matters in texas a great deal. beto o'rourke, you know, maybe he should take all that money right now and said you know what, i'm not going to win the senate, maybe i should take this money to the white house. >> i'm going to read a statement here from a senior senator from texas, that is john cornyn. he said that's a lot of money, but i don't think all the money in the world is not going to help beto at this point because he is a self-identified national

democrat. that's the moniker. >> let's go back to texas. you can tell latinos in texas hey i'm going to fight for you, what latinos want to see is you actually doing it. and i think voters of color in texas and around the country remember how the democrats stood up for dreamers for a day before folding like a cheap chair. >> i don't think that's fair. >> i think that's absolutely fair. >> also democrats passed a comprehensive immigration reform out of the senate, and the house never took a vote on it. they should get credit for it, democrats should. and you're right about the dream act. i wouldn't describe it that way, but there's so much more to this than just that one policy. the dream act only affects 700,000 people. we have to regulate migration and citizenship. >> how are they doing that? they're still sitting on the side lines. you had hurricane maria hit puerto rico, speculation it could turn the vote both in texas and in florida, and not

seeing that in either examples. >> and because hothey're not talking about it. >> how much negativity has to be visited upon those voters before they actually go to the poll snz. >> democrats need to say here's how we're really good, here's how we're going to help you. >> and here's what we do better. >> democrats cannot -- if the democrat argument for the mid-terms and for 20201 we're like republicans but a little less racist, that's not going to work. >> if what i'm hearing you say is that democrats need to give up on this forgotten white working class voter and reach out to people of color, minorities, and quote nontraditional voters, i would absolutely agree with that. and many of them are doing that, and talking about the issues, beto o'rourke is advertising in

spanish all over the place. what are issues, they care about, should they be reaching out? in texas obviously they should be. every state and every district has a different strategy, and i want to believe they understand what they're doing but i understand the criticisms of course. up next how comedy has become the new reality when it comes to this -- the trump white house. >> where people call shiraq, and if you're in chicago, but the murder rate is going down 20% every year, and pretty soon citit's going to be a negative murder rate. we're going to be digging bodies out of the ground. rate we're going to be digging bodies out of the ground.

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others like it for comedians. how do you make something of it when it was already so bizarre? >> first, let me begin with the idea that time is a myth. infinite amounts of universe an different dimension. >> and then if you take chicago, some people call it chi-raque, but the murder rate is going down. pretty soon it will be a negative murder rate. we will be digging bodies out of the ground. >> now you have chi-raque, which actually our murder rate is going down by 20%. >> and when i put this hat on, this hat is like super man's hat. >> something about when i put this hat on, it made me feel like superman. >> i love this guy right here. let me give this guy a hug.

>> panel is back with me. just about that dilemma i was describing there. you can see it in that. so much taken from what we had in the transcript from that meeting. is it difficult to do? >> it's not difficult. it's not difficult to do comedy in these times. when you have to sometimes embellish a little bit or you can say what donald trump and his supporters have said. i have been doing comedy for almost 20 years. i'm a student of the history of comedy as well. we point out hypocrasy. whether you stumble like ford or you're not so smart like george w. bush, obama was order because he didn't have a tick when he spoke and he certainly wasn't stupid. but when you make fun of donald trump, i just say what he says. i just say what he says in a

decent trump impression, and the laugh comes. and that's what's happening. you don't have to write the jokes. it is embarrassing as an american, but as a comedian, sadly we're profiting from it. >> it is easy to make fun of trump, but it is hard to make fun of the news. i try to have humor with legal news, which is harder than it looks on a good day. but in this administration it is hard to make a joke about child separation. it is hard to find the funny in hacking journalist and almost threatening nuclear war with north korea, right? >> i disagree. i disagree. because the darkness is hard, and it's hard not to be offensive, but we thrive as comedians when we take the most painful experiences and we're able to point out the lividity whenever possible. it is harder, but it is not

impossible. it needs to be done. sorry to interrupt you again. >> it's sort of tragic comedy. it is very funny when trump calls kim rocket man and you get out the old elton john sound track. >> i may be guilty of that. >> at the same time, the president of the united states has his finger on the nuclear button. >> which is why i don't think it is funny. >> you have the right to say anything is not funny. it's subjective. >> yeah. i'm like he could kill us all. to me, that's not -- >> but that's part of it. the idea that he could kill us all, the idea that in these types of times, there has always been people -- the court jester, the comedian that often speak truth to power. we point out the hardships. >> but it is a different kind of humor. not that you can't find humor here. it's how you have to approach it because the reality is you have a cartoon character in the white house. >> exactly.

and it's who we're talking about is doing it. we're not talking about alec baldwin impersonating trump. we're talking about trump calling the leader of north korea rocket man. i hope they gave him fake codes to the nuclear codes. >> but this goes back to why kanye west has been a two-day story. because -- because kanye is an easy mark. i have to be careful. iq shoots out of my brain when i say his name. but he's an easy person for people to make fun of, so he is an easy person to put on the news. >> let's talk about that moment. i'm curious how many of you laughed at that visit. i found myself having difficulty processing what was happening there. >> but for a lot of people, i just want to say this in case anybody else was not going to

say it, i'd like to say it first. as a reaction, a lot of people had concern and sadness because they felt like somebody who was mentally ill was publically displaying it. >> we can dismiss that if somebody wants to. none of us are doctors. but i will say it was sad and scarey for me. but, again, as a comedian it is important to point out the absurdy of things because it is not always done by journalists like yourself. it is not your responsibility, necessarily. but it is and it can be ours to point out the absurdity and how not normal it is. >> there is a circuit tent quality to it. you can't look at what happened yesterday and not look at it in compliment with what happened with kanye west earlier in the week. we are seeing that office different than any other office in the world being used for entirely different purposes. >> because they pulled back the flap on the circuit tent. it's been a circus there since he got inaugurated.

it is just this week he chose to let the cameras come into the oval office. he did that once before with the russian ambassador to the united states and russia's ambassador to the un and told them intelligence secrets are only russian press sitting around the oval office. he's turned the oval office into a cartoon. that's not a new phenomenon. >> 20 seconds. >> go ahead. >> just because white people always ask me how can trump have any black support. i'm like, there you go. there is your black support right there. >> thank you all very much. you've been great. >> i'm so sorry on behalf of my people. >> coming up on a.m. joy, ally steps in to fact check president trump after he pivoted the democrats as the latest boogie men set to take away your health care. ay your health care

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