tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC October 17, 2018 12:00am-1:00am PDT
and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. tonight on "all in" -- >> i want you to vote. pretend i'm on the ballot. >> three weeks for the last chance to put a check on donald trump. tonight there is new data and a new national message. >> medicare, social security and medicaid. >> then as the president attacks stormy daniels -- >> the president of the united states called a woman with whom he had an alleged sexual relationship horse face. >> what we know about michael cohen's conversations with robert mueller. plus, senator chris murphy on the trump p.r. offensive on behalf of saudi arabia. >> far right street violence. when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes.
we are now just 21 days, three weeks from midterm elections that will reveal whether the much discussed blue wave is real and whether it is big enough to deliver one or even both houses of congress the democrats. tonight new evidence that should give democrats some reason to worry, and crucially light a fire under those who believe congress should be a check on donald trump, and not a rubber stamp. that evidence and analysis from nbc news in the "new york times" polling gurus in just a moment. but first, the latest on the national landscape this three weeks before election day. 538 estimating democrats have an 84% chance to win control of the house and a 19% chance to beat the odds and take the senate. for their part trump and the republicans have been using a combination of fear mongering and, well, outright lying as they try to keep their grip on power. nowhere was the misrepresentation more rampant than when it comes to health care. and debate last night, for example, in arizona, republican senate candidate martha mcsally who voted as a member of congress to repeal obamacare and weaken protections for people
with preexisting conditions had this to say. >> i voted to protect people with preexisting conditions to make sure insurance companying were forced to give them health care. we cannot go back to where we were before obama cake, where people were one diagnosis away from going bankrupt because they could not get access to health care. >> here's what mcsally actually voted for, a bill to replace obamacare where insurers would be able to charge significantly more if they had a preexisting condition, heart disease, cancer, diabetes or arthritis. even more egregious was a comment from mitch mcconnell who said this with an entirely straight face. >> what's going on with the debt? >> it's driven by medicare, social security and medicaid. >> there's a lot there to unpack. but to be clear that's the leader of the republicans in the senate promising to come -- he added the deficit and debt are
disappointing but it's not a republican problem, which is an impressive display of chutzpah since we just learned the deficit has swelled to the largest in six years, that's due largely, if not almost entirely, to the tax cuts primarily for corporations and the rich that republicans pushed through while insisting time and time again and despite all evidence to the contrary the bill would actually reduce the deficit. as for the midterms, democrats have reason for optimism, particularly in the house, an 11-point lead in the generic congressional ballot and a massive, really remarkable fund raising advantage with 90% of democrats in top races outraising their republican rivals. but sheldon adelson -- boosted gop candidates last month alone. and new da from a from msnbc news shop suggests uncertainty of whether the blue wave will materialize. a mixed picture in battleground
states. >> with me is nate cohn, doing remarkable work polling competitive house races and senate races. good to have you both here. the data on voter registration, what's it look like? >> one of the things we found that was interesting was that when we looked at the 2016 data versus the 2018 data there was a lot of similarities. the first thing we saw is that when we looked at the number of democrats and republicans actually registering from 2016 to '18, they were almost identical. what was really interesting, we thought there, was if you look at the numbers it looks like, wow, it's good news for the democrats because there's more democrats registering. we said the same thing in 2016. >> it's not quite apples to apples, it's a midterm versus presidential. >> in raw numbers there's actually less, about 25 million new people who have registered
or updated their status in 2018 versus about 40 million in 2016. so you're absolutely right, you're going to get less. but what we really care about is looking at the partisanship: it's all about the ground game, chris. so, you know, we really want to see the rate of democrats versus republicans actually registering. and they're -- you know, they're strikingly similar from 2016 to '18. >> you have been -- you guys have been polling in all these races, and you've got this amazing thing where you're doing live polls and you can kind of watch them happen. there was a sort of narrative about the kind of kavanaugh effect, the catalyzing effect that it was charging the republican base. now that we're a week plus out from that, what trends are you seeing now? >> well, i wish i could answer this in a week, actually. i feel like the last two days, just watching the news, i feel like these are the first two days that feel truly post-kavanaugh. >> i agree. >> in our polling we saw several seemingly contradictly things that happened at the same time. we saw support for kavanaugh
plummet, the president's approval rating at the same time tick up. and we saw that the republicans started doing better in red and conservatively leaning areas that has helped cushion their advantage in the senate. while i wouldn't say that it, you know, materially undermined democratic chances of retaking the house, i do think it sort of protects the republicans a bit against some of the worst-case scenarios where they could lose 50 seats or something like that. to be clear it's quite possible after another week i'll come back and say, actually, we've had a reversion back to what we saw before kavanaugh and much more characteristic of the special elections of the last year, where democrats routinely succeeded in breaking through in deeply conservative areas. >> everyone i know i think has 2016 ptsd, in a variety of different ways, i mean obviously there was a lot of people who were very confident there was one outcome. that was not the outcome that happened. how well do you feel like you're modeling this race? >> i think that there are some things that are really -- i
wouldn't say they're easy to get right. but we have had a year of special and general elections since trump. >> which were like actual results. >> this is a key thing. actual turnouts. many polls were good throughout that period for one thing. out of the data, we have a sense of who is likelier to vote than who isn't. there's strong evidence that turn out among well educated voters and d up a lot. one important thing we understand well. the thing that's harder to understand with this election is about individual races. i mean, in a presidential race we get dozens of polls of each of these battleground districts. so we're like clinton's ahead by two and four. the polls could be wrong. we know what's happening in florida. today we cannot say that about really any of the house races. >> there's huge gaps. one thing that's interesting with the voter registration data it's another form of tangible data we can get. and there's sort of differences in states like florida, indiana,
montana, for instance where you're not seeing the same trends uniformly across states. >> no, the absolutely -- that is actually 100% true. what we're seeing is in some places, you know, the democrats are doing great. so, for example, tester, when you're looking at that registration data, if we're thinking about senate races, his numbers are way up from 2016. then you go to florida and the numbers are essentially the same as 2016. and then you go to indiana, the democratic numbers are actually down. we're seeing that -- we've poured into this target smart data, senate races and house races and we're not seeing something that's uniform across the board. and even as you said we had all these special elections and primaries and everything in 2016, what we saw is a lot of sort of enthusiasm of people who are regular general election voters. what we're seeing in this registration data is something that makes us take a step back thinking that maybe this wave that we, you know, a lot of people think they might be seeing may be -- it's not a uniform one. from what we're looking at in
the registration data. we're pouring into the early voting data next couple weeks to see what we find. >> one thing we have seen in midterms recently, the things have moved in increasingly national ways, particularly towards the end. we saw it happen in 2006, 2010, 2014. is that your understanding of the basic structural facts of how politics and elections work? >> i think that's a reasonable description of what has happened in recent cycles. i'm not sure whether i would be confident in saying that's how elections work. we're pretty late at this point. in 2006 a lot of the wave had sort of broken by now. the other thing i would note is there's a distinction between what's happening at the national level and what happens at individual house races. >> totally. >> does that mean that over the final few weeks as the democrats deploy this massive financial advantage that they will succeed in persuading undecided voters to their side? it's possible. it's hard to assume it will happen just because it's happened in the past. >> john and nate, thank you both
for being with me. we learned this week the tax cuts republicans passed largely to the benefit of the rich in corporations led to an explosion in the deficit which jumps 17% as the tax cuts add into government revenue. back when republicans were pushing this plan, mcconnell insisted -- it would have the opposite effect. >> i not only don't think it will increase the deficit, i think it will produce more than enough to fill that gap. i'm totally confident this is a revenue neutral bill. i think it's going to be a revenue producer. i'm totally convinced this is a revenue neutral bill. actually, a revenue producer bill that's going to get america moving again. well, let me say, we -- the economy would only have to grow four tenths of 1% over ten years to gill that deficit gap. we are totally confident this is a revenue neutral bill, and probably a revenue producer. i'm not somebody who believes you can just cut taxes everywhere and get more revenue.
i'm closer to the position of a deficit hawk. >> with me now, republican representative ryan costello of california who plans to retire from congress at the end of this term. good to have you here. >> good to be with you. >> mitch mcconnell was wrong. >> he would be right about the fact if we grow at four tenths of a point on average high over ten years, you don't have the estimated trillion dollar deficit. >> if we grew it 8 act, we could all have ponies for everyone. >> four tenths is not that much on a ten-year average if you're combining it with other pro-growth policies. >> it's expanded the deficit, do you agree? >> yes. >> okay, good. but -- and that was -- let's -- >> other caveats in there. but that's fine. >> it has done that. i guess the other question is, again, i don't care personally, because i'm like a deficit dove. i don't think it's that big a deal, honestly. but there was everyone saying, i mean lots of independent
analysts were saying this is a tax cut, this is not revenue neutral. it started out as revenue reform. it wasn't. what i find frustrating, mitch mcconnell said it was when it wasn't. >> we didn't know what the projection was until it came out. i would take issue with the projections. i would also say we have over 100 billion more in individual and payroll tax receipts than we estimated and we have more tax revenue in, we're at an all-time high right now. all good facts. those are good facts too. >> if you look at one side of the ledger there's more money, but if you look at the other side of the ledger u hundreds of billions of less money. >> attributable for a couple reasons, two of which are an increase in defense spending, we talk about how important nato is. we do a lot around the world. number two, higher interest rates, debt payments being higher. >> yes. >> and you will remind me of -- go ahead. >> here's the thing. why do we have to pretend every
time like republicans care about deficits? the record is clear, deficits rise under reagan, under george bush. they have risen under trump, shrank with obama. we have to pretend that republicans care about the deficit. they clearly don't, which is fine. but why not just be honest about that fact? >> i think the debt that we have is very serious. i think to look at where we are -- >> your actions don't reflect that, that's the thing. you can say that sitting here with me. you voted for the tax cuts. >> i did. >> fine, you voted, but just own it. >> i'm owning it. but i would also say to you -- that drove up the deficit. >> we are nine months into it. this is a ten-year projection -- >> i will make any bet you want, play basketball game -- >> we'll do that. >> i will give to your favorite charity. >> we'll stick with basketball. >> it will explode the deficits. >> let's look a couple years down the line to see where our growth projections are.
again, what leader mcconnell said, and he's correct, if you take even one tenth of a gdp point and add it over -- >> that is magical thinking. here's what we're seeing -- >> no, you have to -- >> hundreds of billions of dollars have gone into the profits of corporations, profits are up, right, they have gone into the pockets of people at the top, right, there is some money that's gone to people who are average family wage earners. >> a couple thousand dollars a year. >> it depends. we have not seen wage growth. >> we've had the highest wage growth. >> .7% the last quarter. >> 3% year over. >> before inflation, 2.6% inflation. >> right. >> in real terms it's barely anything. >> without it we'd be below. >> so let me ask you this, you were here talking about the tax cuts with me, which i appreciate, you're not running for re -- >> i'm here to talk about whatever you want. >> you're not running for reelection. i go on youtube all the time and look at the competitive racesch you're a republican trying to
keep your seat in a competitive race. you don't hear about the tax bill. you barely hear about anything substantive. you hear about nancy pelosi is going to invite ms-13 to your house and colin kaepernick doesn't stand up for the flag and democrats are a mob and nancy pelosi 21 times. isn't that weird you guys have the government for two years -- >> isn't it weird that democrats are not offering an agenda right now, it's simply we don't like trump? not rolled out -- >> you've is a enthe data on this. i've been surprised. when you look at the youtube ads it's all health care. every democrat is running on health care. >> yeah. >> you can say they're wrong about it, but they really are. it's strange to me to think that republicans who have had all three branches of government, or two houses of congress and the white house are not running on things you guys did which you seem to think are good. >> well, no, i think if you look historically, when the economy is going well. >> yes. >> you can't run on the economy.
people -- >> no, i'm being serious. it's baked into the cake. >> they price it in. >> they really do. you see this time and time again. you have to go where your voters are. we have republicans running to the base and we have democrats running to the base. we still have a lot of centrist voters. that's where i think to nate's point a while ago, there's not a blue wave yet. a lot of things could happen on election day. this generic ballot, while it may be plus ten, in toss-up districts it's two or three or four. when we play basketball, i don't know if it's going to be a two or three or four-point game. >> play basketball and mark the time when i get to collect on my deficits debt. great to have you here. congressman king is a republican in new york, represented his district for 25 years. defeated democratic opponents for years with total ease. if there is a big blue wave, it's a candidate like king, long believed to be rock solid safe, finding themselves out of a job. it looks like a possibility. king's democratic challenger has a 2 in 7 chance of defeating
king and flipping the seat blue. and that challenger gretchen shirley joins me now. we asked congressman king to come, and his office did not respond. you started out getting a lot of attention -- you're a mom, two kids, to be able to pay for child care through the money you've raised for the campaign. how has that worked out? you won. >> it's worked out. it's incredible because it's actually changed the way that people will run for office. there is a reason that we have so many millionaires in congress. for an average working american to take a year off of your life, give up your salary, pay your mortgage, pay your taxes and your school loans and also pick up the cost of child care, it's nearly impossible. that's why we have so many people in washington who don't understand the issues that we live with every day. i have a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old. i ran the first six months of
the campaign with my kids till 3:30 every day when my mother would come home, she's a teacher, and he would take them. i would be at campaign rallies with a baby strapped to my chest. it's difficult. we put this request in, they approved it. it was bipartisan. even fox news said it was the one bipartisan thing they could agree with and we've already seen women in seven different states put in similar requests at the state election commissions. >> you have raised a lot of money. did you outraise in the last quarter. >> yes, we outraised by half a million dollars, with no corporate pac money. >> why, how? >> people are sick and tired of career politicians and millionaires making really bad decisions for the rest of us. peter king has been in office since i was 12. he voted to take health care away from 74,000 people in our district, that's one in ten. he didn't protect us against the tax bill. he said he was in basic agreement with the tax bill and that there's nothing wrong with cutting taxes on the top 1% of people. he has voted -- >> would you vote to repeal that? >> yes, absolutely.
we need real tax cuts for working americans. when we have tax cuts on corporations we have more money in the hands of corporate executives. they go out and buy yachts. when we have more money in the hands of working americans, we buy groceries, start small businesses, we are the job creators, and we have such inequality right now that people are working three jobs to make ends meet. and people are sick and tired of politics as usual and people voting for corporate donors. peter king has taken 50% of his campaign contributions from corporate pacs. when you take hundreds of thousands of dollars from the health care industry and you vote to leave people without health care, people pay attention. that's why we were able to raise the money. >> this was in line with what congressman costello was saying. the tax and health care bill, big priorities, you are running explicitly against what the republicans did, like on substantive legislationive grounds. >> absolutely. >> you think that's winnable in your district? >> our district has been ignored
for so long. last year i actually asked peter king if he would hold a town hall and he told me a town hall would diminish democracy. he says i'm on the news all the time. >> that's a direct quote. >> direct quote. it will diminish democracy. there's a recording of it, it's a direct quote. he said last week when a reporter asked him about the -- i organized the town hall for him. hundreds of people showed up. there's a six foot card board cutout of him in my attic, this is whyheim running, he renews to do the job. he actually said last week that the town hall i held, he said i refused to succumb to mob rule. this is the new talking point. mob rule, to sit down and talk to your constituents and answer questions about your voting record, you're not doing the job. that's why we've got democrats supporting us and republicans. >> you can't just win with democrats. >> we have -- have registered, yes.
>> we have a lot of republican support. people love we're not taking my corporate pac money, love that we're talking about the issues and how the issues affect their bottom line. peter king has completely ignored the district. when you knock on doors, we've new yorked on more than 100,000 doors, more than 7,000 doors in one day alone this week, when you knock on doors, people don't know who peter king is. they want to know what you're going to do for their family. >> great to have you here. thank you, come back. coming up the president of the united states for the first time ever responds to the allegation that he criminally conspired with his personal attorney to break the law. plus, what we know about what michael cohen is telling robert mueller in two minutes. [ upbeat music ]
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in violation of the law." now, when jonathan la mere of the associated press asked trump about this said he accused cohen of lying under oath, calling his claim "false." and a p.r. person who did small legal work. the president's comments coming after one day of a new report in vanity fair about what michael cohen has been up to since his guilty plea in august. despite having no formal cooperation agreement with the government he has willingly assisted with ongoing investigations in a string of meetings exceeding more than 50 hours in sum. 50 seems like a lot. >> seems to have gotten under the skin of president trump. that's an unnerving number of hours. especially, look, the president may have said that michael cohen was a p.r. person who did a small number of -- spam small amount of legal work, whatever
he said. it is true michael cohen was not the chief lawyer in the trump organization and it is true that michael cohen was a spokesperson at times for the trump organization, and a part of the trump campaign. that's not what michael cohen's chief role was in the trump organization. we heard a conversation -- >> on the tapes you rare what his role was. >> they are literally talking about paying off women. >> the dirty work. >> i was in court the day that cohen pleaded guilty. it was voluntary for him to get up and say that he was directed by a candidate who was president trump to make these payments to women and the charge that he was pleading guilty to. he didn't have to say any of that. he had written down notes and got up out of his chair and read that he was directed by the president to make that payment. he was under oath. there is no reason why someone would be under oath and voluntarily lie in a court of law. the president is not under oath when he's giving this interview to the associated press. >> are you saying we should not take the president's denials at
face value? >> has the president been truthful about the situation with stormy daniels skpamts one time on the record? >> not once, he has lied about it from the beginning. >> so if past is any indication, would you think that he would all of a sudden be being honest about this now? when someone is under oath and they are awaiting sentencing, potentially serving up to 65 years in prison, just the balance of who has the incentive to lie and who is under oath, really, lies in co hen's favor in this instance. >> coordinating the plea, we're not going to have him go up there and perjure himself. >> someone would have raised their hand and say, by the way, this guy is perjuring himself. we would have heard that. the guilty plea would have been ripped up right there. >> right. >> he wouldn't have been able to sign it. >> there's a lot of confusion. michael cohen pleas, there's a question of a cooperation agreement. he's pleaded guilty to federal crimes, implicated the president in directing him to commit the federal crimes and he's now sat
down with investigators for 50 hours. his sentencing has not happened yet. >> it happens in december. >> presumably he is hoping that the cooperation helps him on that? >> from my reporting he does not have an official cooperating agreement. but he has assisted and cooperated with investigators both in the sdny. >> with mueller. >> in the special counsel's office and with new york state who is looking into -- >> tax issues. >> tax issues and trump foundation. >> what's he telling? >> i don't exactly know. but i do know -- >> he has talked to mueller's team. >> he has talked to mueller's team, talked to the sdny and state officials. from my reporting he's not holding back in any of these conversations. he is trying to get the -- be as cooperative as possible because he's facing a number of years in prison. and the more cooperative you are the more likely investigators are to say to the judge who is sentencing him, hey, this guy is really cooperative. he didn't hold back. he was honest the whole way
through. if the opposite is true -- >> he's screwed. no leverage other than cooperation. >> he is being cooperative. >> thank you for being here. wanting to know why the president is volunteering himself as the chief p.r. person for the saudi government as we try to find out what happened to jamal khashoggi. freak alert. jaylen... jaylen's a freak about hand slicing all natural meats for every jimmy john's sandwich he makes you should see him with capicola freaky fresh. freaky fast. jimmy john's. now try your favorite on our new nine-grain wheat sub. wheat yeah. freak yeah.
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donald trump said that the case of missing "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi is another case of "guilty until proven innocent." he said we just went through that with justice kavanaugh. khashoggi walked into a saudi consulate in istanbul two weeks ago and has not been seen since. tonight "the new york times" reporting one of the suspects identified in the disappearance -- three others are linked by witnesses and other records to the saudi crown prince's security detail. news breaking just hours after secretary of state mike pompeo met with the crown prince ostensibly to investigate khashoggi's disappearance while president trump appears to be laying the ground work for the crown prince and other royals to deny any knowledge of what actually happened in their own consulate. >> and it depends whether or not the king or the crown prince knew about it, in my opinion. number one, what happened, but whether or not they knew about it. if they knew about it, that would be bad.
>> joining me now is chris murphy of connecticut, a member of the foreign relations committee who wrote about saudi arabia's behavior in an op-ed. i want to read to you what the president of the united states just said about the evidence that appears quite significant that the saudis murdered ja mal-khashoggi. i think we have to find out what happened first, here we go again with, you know, you're guilty until proven innocent. i don't like that. we just went through that with justice kavanaugh and he was innocent all the way as far as i'm concerned. what do you think? >> so we're comparing the standard to select a supreme court justice to the standard to assess whether a u.s. resident has been butchered in a saudi consulate abroad. this is bordering upon the surreal and the fact of the matter is, the saudis have now had two weeks to give us any evidence that khashoggi left. we have all of this leaked reporting from the turks suggesting that something truly
awful happened in this that consulate. and i think we have to ask some questions now why, you know, our president is volunteering himself as the chief p.r. agent for the saudi government. the saudis didn't have to leak the story, maybe it was rogue agents that carried out this likely murder because the president of the united states was the one who floated it to the world. and when this is all said and done and we likely learn that something did happen to khashoggi very terrible and gruesome inside that consulate we're all going to have to ask ourselves why the president has volunteered himself to do work that you would normally expect the saudis to have to do on their own. >> and there was also, today, mike pompeo, seen smiling with mohammad bin salman, appearing to laugh, he releases a statement he thinks they're committed to transparency. what is that? >> i mean, just think of what's
happening here. if saudis have potentially killed a u.s. resident. it's not them coming to us to apologize. it's our secretary of state traveling to them. and the message that that is sending is just so bone chilling. somehow u.s. arm sales have become other countries' leverage over us when, in fact, arm sales should be our leverage over them. over countries should be pressing to stay in our good graces in order to be a recipient of the most advanced and lethal weapons of the world. instead it appears we have to prostrate ourselves before them. that's a message that is going to be picked up by the rest of the world with potentially really devastating consequences for u.s. national security. >> speaking of arms sales, you have been very vocal about the saudi led war in yemen threatening millions of people with fam in.
responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians. children being backed by the trump administration. is this a moment to end u.s. support for that war? >> i think it has to. i would, of course, make a case that the u.s. support for the death of thousands of civilians inside yemen is reason enough to stop our support for the saudi bombing campaign there. there is a direct connection, chris. we have been relying on the saudis to represent to us that they aren't intentionally killing civilians inside yemen. all of the evidence tells us different. but we have believed them. we now have the vow dees telling us on the record that they didn't kill jamal khashoggi and it appears that they did. why believe them about what they're telling us inside yemen when they're clearly lying to us or apparently lying about khashoggi. you can draw a link between the two. and i would imagine that there is not support, republican or democrat, in the senate and the house to continue arms sales for the yemen bombing campaign. >> there's some, i think, justified skepticism about turkish intelligence -- erdogan has acted in an authoritarian
fashion. his thugs beat up americans in washington, d.c. it sooems like the turks have a lot of evidence. what is your understanding of what the turkish government is doing? they seem to be escalating every time the trump administration and bin salman try to get their stories straight. >> the turkish government does not have clean hands here. they've been leaking information apparently without sharing all of it with u.s. sources. and at some point we need them to show us all of their cards. there has been some reporting suggesting that the turks may be holding back because they are trying to cut some side deal with the saudis. maybe over the future of saudi relations with cutter. they may be trying to reconcile saudi arabia and cutter. and trying to do a deal by which they don't release some of the tapes if there is some agreement. but the turks need to give us what they have.
and frankly it doesn't seem that the trump administration is pressing the turks very hard to give us that information given how little donald trump seems to know and how much news reporters know who are in touch with turkish sources. >> it also seems entirely plausible that the president of the united states and the saudi regime concludes there were some rogue elements, it was an extradition gone wrong and the turks leak a tape of the guy being murdered, literally. >> again, the saudis have been on the record over and over denying that anything happened inside the consulate. >> right. >> telling the world that he left. and so even if they come up with some story that suggests it was a rogue element of friends of the crown prince who did this, we shouldn't forget that they lied to the world. >> right. >> for weeks telling us he actually left the consulate, which should maybe cause us to doubt the sincerity of the news story whenever that emerges.
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brawl and reenacted the assassination for those in attendance. and if that sounds bizarre, which it, considerer this event was held at the metropolitan republican club in new york. the founder of the far right group, known as the proud guys or the happy dudes or something like that, was invited to speak there. we're talking about a group that not only spewed enough hate to be listed as a hate group by the southern poverty law center, but which seems to revel in violent encounters. fox news shows him wielding his fake sword but blames the boogieman of the right and all this comes amidst a news cycle in which the media sounds the alarm about violence on the left and mob rule. the republicans call out the democratic mob. >> this election is down to simple things. are you for what they did to kavanaugh. are you for having your government run by mob or a rule of law, persons presumed innocent. what kind of person do you want and who do you want to run it? do you want these people who
new york owner andrew cuomo has asked the fbi and the state police hate crime unit to investigate violence that erupted after the founder of a far right group spoke at the metropolitan republican club in new york this past weekend. and following another right wing group that clashed with counterdemonstrators in portland, oregon this weekend, those right wing protesters in an august demonstration were arm and positioned on a rooftop with their guns. let's bring in msnbc contributor sam seder, and michelle goldberg, op-ed columnist for "the new york times." it is striking to watch this sort of weirdly invented like talking point about the mob just kind of come out of thin air in the last two weeks when, you know, we should be clear there was a guy who is liberal who shot up a bunch of republican members of congress there have
been some isolated incidents of left-wing political violence, but one of the themes of the trump years has been basically fascist street brawlers. >> yeah. i mean not even just the trump years. >> right. that's true. >> we go on twitter and look for david nauert's feed. he does work with the southern poverty law center. he rights about he's illuminationists. you can go find decades worth of events. yes, that shooting of the congressman was horrible. there are literally dozens like that of right-wingers doing a similar thing. >> can i also -- i guess it was six months now, maybe five months ago which in trump time i know is years, that he pardoned two members of a violent anti-government standoff, right? >> sure. >> he has been completely -- the idea that democrats or liberals are lawless when you have a president who encourages the worst sort of lawless violence
from his supporters and rewards it. but also, i think in some ways that's part of the point, right? partly -- >> yes. >> it's -- that trump is master of projection. when he is talking about hillary clinton's foundation, he is really talking about his own foundation. he accuses his enemies of everything he is guilty is. you talk about a lot who they believe is supposed on the constrained by the law. so to them angry right armed -- angry armed white men are almost by definition their patriots. they're the heartland crying out in rage and injustice. and angry women or angry people of color are almost a definition. >> i don't think there is anything unique except for they desperately need something to run on in the next month. and if they can turn to it a culture war issue, that's what they'll do. >> it is amazing to watch lindsey graham sit there and say this is about do you want the people that spit on me.
and it's very elemental. do you want their people or our people running things? which in some ways i guess is admirably clear about what american politics are. >> right. but i guess the fact that he sees these women who yelled at him as being -- mean they're more threatening to him. >> right. >> but the fact that he's a shameless person, but he has no shame about the fact that here you have a president who urges, openly urges his supporters to inflict violence on protester. >> repeatedly. >> you have the head of a far right street gang who is a regular presence on fox news and who is speak at a republican club. you have no comparable relationship. it would be inconceivable to imagine antifa speaking at a democratic fundraiser, or sitting here next to me on your show. we have no comparable relationships on our side. >> none. and i would say also it's a mistake i think to assume that lindsey graham is being sincere. >> yes, right. >> that's the important thing. it looks hypocritical to us, but it's a tactic. i mean, they are trying to rally
around. this is because they've lost the salience of perhaps taking a knee during the anthem. i mean, this is what they have stumbled on. this is what is working. there is a unison. i can tell you i'm heading to a conference where i'm supposed to have a debate. they wanted to change the -- they wanted to change the debate that we were going to have from what has the trump administration provided for people to almost this very type -- >> really? >> yes. >>that is fascinating that is fascinating. >> and it permeates the right. they're very good at this. they found a narrative -- >> to think of themselves as victims. >> of course. >> they relish any opportunity to think of themselves as victims. and i think they're trying to turn one of the strengths that progressives have against themselves which is you have a lot of activists engaged. you have a lot of furious women who are willing to confront their representatives in public, which is something you should be able to do in a democracy. and they want to kind of
delegitimize that. >> i should note lindsey graham later clarified he wasn't spit at, just to be clear. in terms of the mainstreaming, there is marty goldman in brooklyn. it was one of his staffers, reported by bklyner today. a staffer of his, i think he is called a campaign manager at one point who invites this basically street brawl gang. >> right. it's a gang. they're a gang. >> they have initiations and stuff. >> they have very odd initiations. >> weird. >> and they train for fights. they look for fights. you need to fight a certain amount to move up in their organization. i mean, this is a for lack of better term a brown shirt organization. >> and that's marty goldman, brooklyn state senator, republican, staffer, his staffer. good work inviting them. sam seder, michelle goldberg. >> thank you. we have a new episode of our podcast why is this happening. this week's guest the amazing carol anderson, who has a new book out about the history of voter suppression and the
current manifestations of it going into the midterms. download it on apple podcast or anywhere else. that is "all in" for this evening. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight donald trump takes some wild swings at the oval office. we listen to him live. sparking a social media war that is also a huge distraction from the unraveling khashoggi murder and possible murder from the saudis. the president saying tonight the saudis are guilty until proven innocent which he compares to kavanaugh. and he goes on to accuse his one-time personal lawyer michael cohen of lying, as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a tuesday night.