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indians? what about my wants, what about my needs? hello, everyone, i'm chris jansing in for ali velshi. the nation's top officials saying they're concerned about ongoing interference in this year's elections, and there's a chance of that with them announcing that there is a russian woman being charged with attempting to meddle in the election designed to create political content. joining us, pete williams, and investigative news reporter tom winter. pete, who is this woman? what is she accused of doing? >> reporter: right, and i'm here in alexandria, virginia because that's where these charges were just unsealed a short time ago. she's from st. petersburg,
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russia. prosecutors say she is the accountant for a company owned by a russian oligarch. that company has already been accused of meddling in the 2016 election, but these are charges connected to the 2018 midterms. her name is elena kushia nova. she is still in russia. she won't be extradited because there is no treaty between the u.s. and russia. what they say is under her direction, a number of false media postings were made, memes, false web sites, phony social media platforms all claiming to be from americans discussing divisive issues, like gun control, gay rights, immigration, racism and putting up memes. now, we have some examples of the memes that were used looking at issues like immigration, claiming it's very expensive to
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allow families to stay here. it says -- this one, for example, talking about islam, this one talking about the budget deficits. this one here, interesting, saying -- the one we just went past saying it's actually cheaper to deport families all together because it costs more to keep them here. these are just some examples of what prosecutors in court documents say are completely phony memes put together by russians purporting to be from americans to try to influence the election. now, the prosecutors say these don't take any specific concrete single identity point of view, that they argue the thing from both sides, and some politicians are attacked by name. mitch mcconnell, john mccain, marco rubio, and as you just saw, barack obama. >> i'm curious, is this the first peek charges that the justice department has brought, the first criminal case in the
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2018 election? >> reporter: yes, absolutely. we've been told now for months, both publicly and privately through public warnings but privately being told by the fbi that they continue to see a sustained level of people doing two things. this sort of thing, trying to publicly put information out into social media to basically cause confusion, and secondly, continued attempts to hack into election systems, although they're not sure exactly who is behind that. but they are quite sure that state hackers, in this case russia, continue to try to use state media to basically meddle in the midterms. >> stay with us if you can, pete, but i remember, tom, we mentioned the politicians from barack obama, marco rubio and on. but robert mueller is also a part of this, right?
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>> yes. as a matter of fact, he's mentioned specifically. there was an article that kind of highlighted controversial topics about robert mueller. according to this complaint, it specifically states how this article should be messaged, basically the talking points that should be put out on social media. specifically they said that you should focus on scandals that occurred while robert mueller was fbi director, that he's part of the establishment, emphasized that this whole robert mueller special counsel investigation is an effort to tear the country apart, that it must be stopped at all causes and that he's sort of a member of the democratic machine in the united states, that he's essentially, you know, the swamp, according to messaging putting out. he's specifically referenced, so they're trying to amplify some of the talking points we've seen about robert mueller in a way to mischaracterize him, in an effort to kind of delegitimize his efforts. >> obviously it's in russia's
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self-interest to make robert mueller look bad, but overall, is there a real strong political bank to that stuff? >> as you were mentioning before, there is a number of people that have been kind of wrapped up in all of this. there doesn't appear to be that one kind of central theme, it's all an effort to sow discord, to get people fighting with each other. as i've been combing into this complaint, we're barely a half hour into looking at it here -- >> and it's how many pages again? >> it's 73 pages which includes a prior indictment against concord, the company pete referred to, that's run by an oligarch very close to vladimir putin. which is interesting as we start to see the budget at how much all of this is costing. in 2016, the budget for this was $100 million, and that's not the
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totality of the russian effort, but they spent $12 million on this effort. that buys a lot of advertising on line, that buys a lot of man hours in terms of putting this out. >> that's a pretty big bang for your buck, right? pete, as we're running out of time, you have a situation here where we saw a lot of these key players, the heads of social media organizations going in front of congress, on the hot seat as we like to say, getting some tough questions. you know, they talked about changes they're going to make. in one sense, you can look at what happened today and say, look, the justice department clearly is not letting up on this. they're still going after them. but if you're also somebody who is concerned about the election and influencing the election, the other side ain't giving up, either. >> reporter: that's right. and state election officials have been very concerned about false information being allowed on social media, not only about
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these kinds of issues, but about where the polling places are. republicans vote one day, democrats another, the polling places have been moved, you don't have to vote until election day, that kind of stuff. they've been talking to the social media companies trying to work out a way that suddenly if information pops up on election day that's false, there will be a mechanism to get it down, and i think it's fair to say that's a work this progress. >> such fascinating and disturbing stuff. again, the justice department bringing its first criminal charges over alleged russian interference in the 2018 elections. i'm sure we'll be hearing more from both pete williams and tom winter as they dig into this. thanks to both of you, really appreciate it on this breaking news. in the meantime, there is a lot going on just 18 days out from the midterms. new details today about president trump's aggressive campaign plan. multiple stocks per day in the final weeks leading up to the midterms. he's busy right now in
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scottsdale, arizona. he's having a fundraiser for the republican candidate there, and then he'll travel to mesa for another rally tonight. not long ago the president was in montana, riling up a crowd to what is described this way. trump's closing argument is full of conspiracy theories and brut force, and it just might work. >> the democrats have truly turned into an angry mob bent on destroying anything or anyone in their path. come election day, americans will remember kavanaugh and they will remember all sorts of other things because that was a shameful act, and there are many other shameful acts, including what they're doing to our border. as you know, i'm willing to send the military to defend our sudden border, if necessary. this will be an election of
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kavanaugh, the caravan, law and order and common sense. >> kavanaugh, the caravan, law and order and common sense. well, the president's frustrations over a caravan of migrants making its way toward mexico is fueling the president's threats to shut down the u.s.-mexico border. and this hour secretary of state mike pompeo is actually meeting with mexico's outgoing president, enrique pena piento. they're tracking a small group of migrants that crossed into central mexico thursday night. let's talk about how the president plans to use immigration in this campaign, including where he is now, in arizona. >> certainly it's an issue that resonates in arizona, and it is a part of a politics there day in, day out, and of course it is rising to the surface as
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something where the president is quite comfortable talking about it, but it also factors in to the campaigns and races that are on the ground in a state like arizona. borderline population. they're living way lot of these issues both before and against different dynamics in a debate as part of their everyday lives. you talked about a group of human beings coming from honduras traveling into new mexico. that is something the president did not want to see. in the senate races you have margaret mcsally making immigration an issue as she's appealing to voters. >> every single day right now, they're literally letting hundreds of people released into the communities, released into our state never showing up for a workday, and then we have this
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freaking caravan? did you guys see that? what is going on? >> picking up on the caravan the president has been talking about as a way to, perhaps, fire up some of the same energy that has been behind president trump who is making multiple stops today. she is in a tight race against christian. often it has elected. this is the seat that jeff flake currently holds & a successor where immigration, one of the president's go-to issues, is really relevant to voters there. chris? >> what raised eyebrows last night, and it was kind of new given the timing, he was praising gianforte.
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he was talking about the journalist assault. he is talking about the body slam and also jamal khashoggi. what can we expect again tonight? >> sometimes the president goes off his gut, and in that case, of course, in montana, congressman gianforte is a candidate there. certainly the president is going against the norms of constitutionally protected reporters. the correspondence association has put out a statement today saying no american should be
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accepting of that kind of dialogue. but yes, we should all you p be waiting on this. in arizona we'll have to see. sometimes the combination of rhetoric, the sort of political environment in arizona, you would get very hot rallies in terms of people being fired up. we'll see if the president drops something new tonight that will have us talking over the weekend. chris? >> i think it's a reasonable bet, but let's see how it goes. kelly o'donnell, thank you so much. appreciate it at the white house. up next, he isn't pinning jamal khashoggi's disappearance on the saudis, but president trump is acknowledging that the saudi crown prince ordered khashoggi killed are raising hard questions about america's alliance with saudi arabia. more of that coming up on msnbc.
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new reporting this afternoon that in spite of growing outrage over the suspected murder of american journalist jamal khashoggi, secretary steve mnuchin plans to visit saudi arabia this month. he tells the "washington post" he will visit riyadh to take part in a finance meeting after saying he would not attend the
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investment conference the saudis are hosting they can week. all of this comes hours after secretary mike pompeo and saudi arabia's minister denied reports that turkey had shared with pompeo audio over the alleged murder. they are at a forest near istanbul. richard has been following this story. richard, what can you tell us about these sources and what they know, if they've turned up any new information. >> reporter: we don't know if they've turned up information, but we know they are looking for body parts. turkish officials say that when jamal khashoggi went into the saudi consulate over two weeks ago and he was never seen emerging, turkey officials suggest he was cut up so it would make the disposal of the body easier, harder to find,
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harder to track down, and they are reviewing cctv footage in these two areas, one a city south of istanbul, about 60 miles to the south here in an area where there is farmland and actually an area where a lot of arabs live. typically saudis have been buying homes there, second homes, vacation homes. and this forest, called the belgrade forest which is east of istanbul. it's about 13,000 acres, roughly 20 square miles, so it's a pretty big area. there was some drone footage flying up above it. they are looking for entry points looking to see who may have come, who may have gone, and we were told by a police official directly involved in this investigation that on the cctv footage, they saw a diplomatic -- saudi diplomatic vehicle near that forest or in
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the area after khashoggi's disappearance. >> thank you very much. this search in turkey coming after president trump is shifting his stance, at least somewhat, on the apparent death of jamal khashoggi after days of denial from the king and crown prince that they were involved. the "new york times" suggests a saudi role in this incident but stopped short of laying blame. later he talked with other reporters. >> reporter: do you think jamal khashoggi is dead? >> it certainly looks that way to me. it's very sad. it certainly looks that way. >> reporter: what are you considering for possible consequences for saudi based on those -- >> well, it will have to be very severe. it's bad, bad stuff. but we'll see what happens. thank you. >> joining us now, one of the reporters on the "new york times" story, michael schmidt,
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who is also an msnbc security contributor. before we get to the possibility, michael, of what the u.s. might do about it, there has to be some level of acceptance. apparently intel officials and what we may have learned about what they know and what they don't. >> so as we saw yesterday, trump changing his rhetoric and sort of his body posture on this issue, going by way of death. the murder went the way people thought it would have. the turks sent stuff in, folks in the middle east sent stuff to the united states, the united states had their own materials, and there was just an overwhelming amount of stuff that tied folks around mbs to this incident.
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and that really, you know, put the white house in a spa where today to, acknowledge, the president did. this played out the way so many others thought it would. >> it's an interesting. it kind of lays out a common trump jat ji. we saw it with paul manafort, we saw it with michael cohen. i could go on. he's now suggesting the allies he barely. he's now referring to michael co help as a pr person, and michael cohen got into a lot of trouble and is trying to cooperate with
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t the. he says he only worked for the president for a short time, and he pointed out he had worked for other candidates. it also is how the president looks to putin. he is very hesitant to criticize putin, and this is an abnormal situation in that the president has been criticizing other experts. >> if he says that, how would he play into the president's relationship? >> jared has invested a lot of
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time in that and hopefulness going forward that the saudis will help resolve a lot of difficult issues in the middle east. the idea that saudi arabia can unlock the mideast piece. the president outsource touchdown to jared and now the president is upset with what's become of that relationship. >> washington correspondent for the "new york times," thank you very much. up next, president trump in arizona today on his pre h. turn out for what? >> that's the question. are kids going to actually vote this time when it comes to these elections? there is a lot of the issue in arizona. the biggest one we've found so far is education. bha am i going -- what am i goi
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in just a few hours, the president will hold his tenth campaign stump this month. he is going to stay flexible between now and election day, going where he can have the
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biggest impact. but expect a focus on places where red state democrats are vulnerable. the president himself has told voters to pretend i'm on the ballot. for the most part, he has kept the focus on his base and isn't doing much to try to get a lot of new voters, especially young ones who are usually the most fickle when it comes to voting in elections. gadi schwartz is in arizona. he's trying to figure out what can get folks to actually turn out for elections. turn out for what? >> turned down for what? that song is from 2013 which was before the 2014 midterms but it still gets millennials like us juiced up. but speaking of millennials, a lot of time you don't think of teachers, and what we found here
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are that teachers are a very big part of that demographic. in fact, right here we're at the state capitol in arizona. the last time we were here was back in april. this whole area was filled with teachers. it was basically a sea of red, red for ed, and that was the issue that got a lot of teachers, a lot of millennials mobilized and energized and out there can vavassing for votes. now the question are the youth going to show up to vote, sfees especially after a very big controversial decision. >> it was the red crashing into the capitol that caught everybody's attention. but this was a different kind of red. in april we watched as tens of thousands of educators marched, demanding more funding for the classrooms and singing about coming back to vote. ♪ we will be back to vote in
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november. >> it was something that iver nev -- i've never seen before. >> it was overwhelming but exciting at the same time, to see that we finally had a voice. >> reporter: thousands of millennials who just started teaching. they gathered 270,000 signatures to get a referendum on the ballot for election day. >> it really felt like the ball was in our court. >> reporter: but before the midterms, a bombshell from the state supreme court. their referendum was booted off the ballot for legal technicalities. >> we sweated for months to get these signatures and then just like that, we were kicked out. >> reporter: are you worried that these things you fought for to get on the ballot, and now that they're not on the ballot, people might not show up and vote? >> i'm worried about people being apathetic. as you said, we had tens of thousands of people fighting
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hard in april. we had lots of people out collecting signatures all summer, and it's like all those things didn't lead us anywhere, so i know, like, a lot of people have a lot of apathy. it's like, well, we tried. >> reporter: and it's apathy and frustration they feel might be contagious. especially young voters who might not show up to vote in the midterms. are you voting in the midterms? >> no. >> why not? >> it's too complex. i just feel like there's a lot going on in politics right now. >> it's easy to research it, there's just a lack of interest. >> we just got back from canvassing. >> reporter: young teachers here aren't giving up. they're out canvassing and trying to inspire students by the power of their vote. >> i have more faith in them than i have faith in our generations and generations beyond us. i think these kids now, i think they're frustrated with the overall tone of politics in america, and they're like, we're going to do something like this.
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whether it's march for our lives or black lives matter, whatever it is, with the youth vote it's going to matter and it could flip this state. >> reporter: talking about that youth vote, so far here in arizona, we've seen almost a million youth register to vote. that's 18 to 34. but during the last election, that number was about 230,000 less and only about 19% of them showed up to vote. that's like one in five. chris, back to you. >> that's less than disappointi disappointing. how was the pizza, by the way? >> great. >> great? >> it was delicious. i think i had like seven pieces. >> it was bugging me watching it get cold. gadi schwartz in arizona where the president will be holding a rally tonight. one thing democrats think will drive voters to the polls, health care. now even the president is talking about it.
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he tweeted, all republicans support people with preexisting conditions. and if they don't, they will, after i speak to them. i'm in total support. also democrats will destroy your medicare and i will keep it healthy and well. i'm joined by morgan tucker, state director of arizona protect our care. it's good to see you, morgan. maybe one of the skeptics is the senate candidate the money is raising money for right now, martha mcsally. here she is talking about all this. take a listen. >> every day i meet people with preexisting conditions under obamacare that don't have health insurance because they're small business owners. they're small business employees. they're early retirees. they're in between jobs and going back to school. the obamacare changes are not affordable for them. >> do you buy that from a lot of republicans who say obamacare is the problem, and the president
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saying, we're going to protect you if you have a preexisting condition? >> no, i do not believe that. since day 1 of the trump administration, there, to repeal the affordable care act rkt to millions of arizonans, and tax cuts for the wealthy. >> i remember candidates standing in the rose garden thinking they had passed a bill which never made it to the senate. your state of arizona one of 20 states suing for obamacare and the new tax bill. explain from your point of view. what's at stake here? >> there's quite a bit at stake. so the individual mandate is the part of the affordable care act
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that nobody liked but the part that kind of makes it work. and removing that is also something that would remove protections for preexisting conditions, which includes just about any symptom that would bring you to a doctor's office. that being said, it isn't just specific to the affordable care act, that's everyone. so we would see increases in premiums, basically americans would be at risk for discrimination, sick americans who need health care would be unable to access it, unable to afford it, and it would be really devastating. it would have a terrible impact. >> morgan tucker, state director of arizona protect our health care. we really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us today. thanks so much. >> thank you. coming up, president obama launches a video targeting
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millennials in an effort to get those young americans to actually show up and vote in this year's midterms. but is his star power enough to empower a notorious voting block, those young people we're talking about? we'll talk about it when we come back to msnbc. ♪ when the moon hits your eye ♪
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caravan of migrants, the same one president trump has been railing against, they broke through a guatemala border fence earlier. we can see the pictures that came in to us here. thousands of those people fled to mexican territory overcoming mexican authorities. they were met, though, by police with riot shields when they arrived on the mexican side of the border. according to the associated press, about 50 of them did manage to push their way through before officers used pepper spray to hold them back. the gates are closed again and we'll have developments for you as they break. it is 18 days before the midterm elections. former president barack obama has a message for young people who are thinking about not showing up to vote. >> that's actually what people in power are betting on, that you'll check out, that you won't vote. and when you opt out, that's what allows other people to essentially fill that void. it allows them to do nothing
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about the things you'd like to see government do. so if you really want to throw a wrench in their plans, throw them out. vote in somebody better. you wouldn't let your grandparents pick your playlist, why would you let them pick your representative who is going to determine your future? >> so then obama lays out the excuses people usually use for not voting. one by one he said, i don't care about politics, i can't relate to the candidates, my vote doesn't matter, midterms are boring, i'm uninformed, i don't know where i'm supposed to vote, i don't have time to vote. joining us now to talk about all of this, matthew segal, cofounder of "attention." let's be real here. young people are the least reliable voters, particularly in the midterms. we were talking about this earlier. census bureau statistics show between 18 and 24-year-olds, the numbers have been declining ever
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since the voting age was lower in 1971. in '14, only about 16% of 18 to 24-year-olds went to the polls. what makes you think they'll listen to barack obama? >> president obama has one of the biggest social media fol followings on the planet. he's got over 120 million twitter followers, over 50 million facebook followers, and he's still wildly popular with young people, and he was one of the most popular elected officials with young people in recent history. look, i'm not saying -- >> they like him, but does that mean they're going to go vote? >> videos can make a difference. look at what taylor swift's instagram post just did. it got 65,000 young people to register. even if this video gets a couple thousand young people in every congressional district to maybe even consider showing up, we know sometimes only a handful of votes can swing these races. that will make a big difference. i don't think it's going to
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increase voter turnout by 20 to 30%, but look, every little bit helps and we have to be pragmatic about this. >> is there a next step or what is the next step and who is doing the next step? maybe young people will be motivated by the former president to vote, but the harder part is getting them to the polls, isn't it? >> this has been a challenge for years. i can't necessarily predict how many young people will show up. but you have to constantly reinforce people why their vote matters, why voting can make a difference, and encourage them not to be slanted. they may say i'm not informed enough, i'm bored by the
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midterms. we use a little humor to shut those voices down. >> what are we as a country doing wrong that we have such low voter participation, particularly among young people? i mean, i remember when i turned 18, i could not wait to vote, and i wouldn't necessarily say i was the most informed person, but i, you know, made a lgt bit bit of an effort and i was on campus where there were a lot of activities around it, but what are we doing wrong with these young people? >> our process of how we conduct elections is still very archaic. the fact you have to show up in person when you can pretty much do everything else on line, that's a deterrent. it requires a registration period and some states have a deadline where you have to think well in advance.
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everyone likes to procrastinate. so this is a procedural barrier and then there's emotional barriers. and then young people don't have a sense of the stakes because they're not necessarily buying homes yet or they're not necessarily worrying about interest rates and they don't have long-term investments, all the things the economy affects -- >> but don't they have a college debt to pay off? don't they want to own a home one day? >> of course, but that's why you have to educate them to think long term. we live in a society, we all know, where the most viral tweet wins the day and it doesn't nehlen courage long-time thinking. so you have to use both social media and also be clever with how you message things in order to get people to care. that's what we try to do at attention every day, is make these complex issues more digestible so these people feel a part of the stakes. >> you're too young, but do you remember where's the beef?
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>> i actually do not, sorry to say. >> you wouldn't remember it, but look it up. i'm just saying -- anyway. i don't need to tell you how to do your job. matthew segal, co-founder of the media site attention. coming up, accusations of voter suppression. we've reported on the controversial new law that could keep some georgians from the polls, and now, new uproar over a viral video. we'll explain, next. begins to y cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? - anncr: prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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the state of georgia continuing to make headlines over its controversial voting practices. remember we told you on monday how they put 53,000 registered voters on hold, a majority of them black voters, for not having their voter registration match exactly their state i.d.s. now controversy over a video that shows a black child bringing proper i.d. to vote and is then given a provisional ballot. >> if you don't have an acceptable form of photo identification when you're at the polling location both on election day and during advanced
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voting, you can vote a provisional ballot. if you don't return, your ballot will be rejected and it will not count. please note that all election-related forms and materials, including ballots are available in english only. >> so that video is from two years ago and was pulled down by the secretary of state's office. they say it's outdated. specifically the part about only having election materials in english. the person involved in all of this, secretary of state brian kemp, who is running for governor and is in a very tight race against stacey abrams. if abrams win, she would become the first black female governor in the u.s. joining me now, president of the naacp derek johnson. thanks for coming in. so you got georgia. 53,000 on a hold. 70% of them are black. what do you think is going on there? >> well, unfortunately, it is a coordinated effort in several states to prevent african-americans and other citizens from voting.
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this is an outrage. why should we be navigating the system this way when a democracy should be a representative body allowing the voices of all of the citizens to be heard. we shouldn't have voter registration in the first place. there's no reason for a voter i.d. we should be pursuing avenues to increase access to voting so the voices of taxpaying citizens can be heard. if other countries can do that, why is it that we cannot do it here in the united states. >> georgia votes, which is an organization that tracks some of this stuff, says that the totals of early voting have increased almost 200% in georgia from the same point since the last gubernatorial election. you have reports of people waiting for hours in the hot sun. there have been reports of people collapsing. do you think the state was unprepared? have they intentionally made it hard for likely democratic voters? what are you hearing?
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>> it's very intentional. nothing that's taken place now was anything that was not predictable. we knew early on that there were not enough polling places to handle a high voter turnout. in fact, we were part of a group prepared to file a lawsuit in georgia. they were trying to close additional precincts. this is an effort to subvert democracy as we know it, to limit access to voting, to a small minority in a way in which they can advance public policy agenda that wouldn't benefit the majority of the citizens, not only in georgia, but we're finding this in tennessee, in florida, all across the country. >> so beyond georgia, and you mentioned all across the country, where else specifically is the naacp particularly concerned? >> we're looking at tennessee, particularly shelby county, which encompasses memphis. there was a very aggressive and successful voter registration
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program there. we learning the election commissioner refusing to process some of the applications or there's unusually high number of application there that are incomplete. we're seeing some issues in florida. we've heard about issues in ohio. we are monitoring across the country along with our partners to make sure wherever possible we open up access to voting. so citizens who are simply trying to participate in this democracy are allowed to do so legally. >> derrick johnson, president and ceo of the naacp. thanks for taking the time. appreciate it. >> thank you for the opportunity. coming up -- it's not too late to get your mega millions lottery ticket. the jackpot now topping, yes, $1 billion. msnbc's group is going to win it so there you go. he'd be proud of us. protect your family,
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