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that does it for me. i'm david gura. you can catch me again tomorrow at 8 a.m. on "up" and again at 2 p.m. aaron takes over our coverage. >> good to see you. take a nap. >> i'll try. >> i'm aaron gilchrist here at msnbc in new york. and filing charges against a russian national for trying to interfere in the 2018 midterms. and many of millennials may skip
out on the midterm elections. we begin with the president in nevada where he's just wrapping up the last rally in his western swing campaign tour. president trump is using his appearance to drum of support for senator dean heller. he's locked in a tight race with jacky rosen. >> democrats produce mobs. republicans produce jobs. that's become hashtag. that's a new hashtag. that's a hot one. this november vote for jobs, not mobs. >> nbc's steve patterson joins us now from nevada where there's still a large crowd. set scene for us. >> reporter: you can hear the president is still on stage speaking to a crowd of thousands. very excited to see the
president in this small town, extremely conservative area here in nevada. they've been really focused on the talking points, the democratic mob/job thing is the new slogan for the midterms a couple of days ago. it's pretty clear the president is trying to interject himself on to the ballot. he may not be physically on the ballot for the midterms, but he wants to put his name in the minds of his supporters and boost support for the gop candidates across the board. he's doing that, as you mentioned, by going on the attack, as he did in 2016. as you mentioned, you'll hear lock her up, you'll hear drain the swamp, you'll hear a lot of fake news. but you'll also hear about what's happening in the
headlines. he had a huge applause line when he brought up kavanaugh, what's happening in mexico and painting democrats as the party of lawlessness. he compared the democrats to the situation in venezuela. i want you to hear a sound bite we caught for you on that. >> democrats want to massively raise your taxes, impose socialism on our country. we'lli be another venezuela. they want to take away your health care, destroy your second amendment. and i think the people in nevada are not big on having your second amendment taken away. >> reporter: the president saying it's an election about kavanaugh, caravans, law and
order. it's what we're hearing on stage right now. >> steve, thank you. with just 17 days until the midterms, democrats are sending their high-profile party leaders out on the trail, too. former vice president joe biden was also in vaenevada today and senator bernie sanders spoke at events in south carolina. thank you to my guests for being here. we heard some familiar themes for the president at his rallies in the past few days including this. listen. >> the choice for every american could not be more clear than it is right now. democrats produce mobs, republicans produce jobs. >> president trump has a pretty clear message for voters.
what is the democrats' countermecounte counter message? >> it's very simple, if you like what donald trump has been doing, including this very unpopular tax cut, then i guess you should vote for donald trump and his party. if you are unhappy with the direction of the party, you should vote for the democrats. mobs not jobs is very simplistic and very good, but having had two years of the donald trump presidency, democrats understand they to go out and campaign against the very real things going on in the country. >> some top democrats have been hitting the campaign trail. here's some of what we heard from them. >> we got to tell them who we are, what do we stand for? what do we stand for? what does the democratic party stand for today? >> we are better than this.
and so this is a moment in time that is requiring us then to fight for the best of who we are as a country. >> regardless of your political views, you want your kids to be honest and decent. what kind of terrible example does this president in the white house give to our children? >> at this point, katie, are democrats turning this into a referendum on the president? and is it really the leadership they need to unite what's been a fractured party? >> i think what's been pretty clear in the past two days is that the democrats have chosen not to fight the president's instinct with their own strategy of fighting back. you know, i think their new thing is when they go low, we go vote. they're really starting to get their messaging straight with 17 days to go, focusing on the
money they raised, focusing on the tight governor races that work like a snow plow for the rest of the ticket. it might not be that there's an emerging democratic leader but it's clear there's an action game on the ground for people who are sick of this, for people who are suburban women, especially who are turning away from the gop toward democratic candidates. there is movement and i think the democrats are not as interested in trying to meet the president where he is, which is rallying cries literally and just focusing on those voters, getting them out. >> we know the president's not on the ticket this year, but it's pretty clear he also wants voters to keep thinking about him as we go through the midterms. here's what he had to say a few weeks ago in mississippi. >> i'm not on the ballot but in a certain way i'm on the ballot so please go out and vote. >> is this going to help or hurt gop candidates who the president is supporting at this point? >> it does both. there are gop candidates who need to turn out their base.
when donald trump goes out and says republican congress x is who i need in congress, that gets the base to go out. it hurts him with women, millennials and other democratic voters but then again they weren't going to be voting for them again in the first place. donald trump is really trying to fire people up. the more that caravan is shown on temperature v, the more it e republicans. when donald trump goes out and says this is my fault because the economy is so good, that fires people up too. it's economy and immigration with republicans. with democrats the health care and the economy. the economy is doing very well. the majority of the country says the tax cuts and benefits are leaving them behind and they're not better off. look at early voting, the long lines. it's way up.
it's indicative of what we will most likely see as a voter surge. lastly, though, there is some momentum for republicans, particularly in wisconsin and michigan. while the polls haven't started to reflect, it i think we're seeing much tighter races by the candidates there. john james had a michigan that drew 4,000 people, that the james people said these aren't even people who vote. i think the senate will very much surprise. the house, 80% chance the democrats taking. >> in 2016, the democrats sort of underestimate the power of donald trump's base. >> well, trump's base is incredibly motivated. as evan pointed out, the kavanaugh nomination only motivated them further. but democrats are so much more motivated this year than i think they were two years ago. two years ago if you spoke to
nine out of ten democrats, they thought hillary clinton had it in the bag. democrats are not taking any for granted this year. they know the stakes. they know what happens when you stay home. i think there's a sense you have, especially from suburban white women, that you better get to the polls and vote. if you don't, this is what happens. >> we saw in the virginia election last year that while the doc did a terrible job, we saw a grass roots ruse up and organize and the house of delegates almost flipped and that wasn't even on the radar. >> katie, will democrats be able to close the enthusiasm gap that we've seen among latino voters, for example? >> well, i think democrats are laze are focused on motivating latino voters who have shown less than a huge amount of
willingness to turn out this year, they're laser focused on women, particularly white women, who held deliver the election in 2016. republican strategists and republicans believe that kavanaugh gave them a particularly large enthusiasm bump, now with the mob talk they've been able to harenest ahe -- harness ahead of the election. the democrats have to stop trying to fight that fight, work on getting voters out and try to match the republicans in ways that spur action. >> katie, julie, evan, thank you. appreciate your time. >> coming up, saudi officials finally confirming jamal khashoggi was killed at their
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saudi arabia's been a great ally, but what happened is unacceptable. we are going to see they've arrested just for the people at the table a large number of people having to do with the event that took place in turkey in the saudi consulate. and it's a big first step. it's only a first step but it's a big first step. >> president trump there discussing the death of saudi
journalist and "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi during his trip to arizona. saudi officials now changing their story, changing he was killed after a fist fight at his consulate in istanbul, turkey. they announced that they strangled khashoggi and that 18 men have been arrested. they remain adamant that crown prince mohammed bin salman had no role in his death. senator lindsey graham tweeted last night "to say that i am skeptical of the new saudi narrative about mr. khashoggi is an understatement." what do you think this signals about how congress is going to try to handle this issue? >> it sounds to me like there's
going to be serious issues in congress with the saudis for quite a while and on a bipartisan level. you have republicans saying, look, we don't really buy this story and let's not forget that the saudis were basically kind of lying the last couple of weeks. they last saturday that khashoggi left the consulate alive. i think you're going to see movement to come up with holds on arms sales or maybe sanctions. i think you're going to see pressure for that if the trump administration doesn't act to punish the saudi arabians on that. >> reporter: do you consider it credible, their explanation in. >>. >> i do, i do. again, it's early. we haven't finished our
analysis. >> what do you think toluse? >> you're either seeing silence from a number of republicans or peep like senator lindsey graham or others saying this does not pass the smell test, the idea that this was just a fight that went the wrong way and this journalist who works for "the washington post" just happened to die in this fight with 18 other men. it's not something that sounds feasible and it happens to contradict what was said for the past two weeks by the kingdom for saudi arabia. it's likely that we're likely to see more action from coming, just because president trump saying it is credible, it's not something that we're hearing from lawmakers. they have shown a willingness to cross the president last year with the sanctions against russia, even though the president didn't want these things, they were passed by a bipartisan basis with a veto-proof majority. we may be headed down that path and may end up being a situation where the president sees that train is leaving the station and decide to jump on it as well.
>> in addition to lawmakers, we saw many businesses backing out of the investor conference in riyadh next week. what's the likelihood that corporations will cut ties to the saudi kingdom? >> i don't think it's very likely that companies who have invested millions if not billions of dollars in saudi arabia and hope to invest more are going to completely cut ties with the kingdom. i think one thing that might help reassure investors and others if there is some sort of change in the status of the crown prince of saudi arabia. so far it seems like the crown prince, who is extremely powerful, he's apparently being put in charge of a commission to rewrite and restructure the rules and organization of the intelligence services in saudi arabia. that doesn't seem like something that you could give to a guy who might have done something so atrocious. so that's probably not sending the good signal, not only to
businesses but to lawmakers and others around the world. >> toluse, president trump has denied having any sort of personal financial interest in saudi arabia with this criticism that's coming about him being reluctant to hold the saudi government accountable, yet we do know he's done at least some deals with the kingdom and with people tied to the kingdom over the years, something that he actually touted on the campaign trail at different points. what are the optics of this for the president of this point? >> yeah, it doesn't look very good for the president. there are all these clips of him saying how much he loves the saudis, paying him money for real estate and doing other deals with him and now he's saying he doesn't have any financial interesting with them. not only does he have the interesting financial ties, they have been the linchpin of his foreign policy agenda in the middle east with president trump and his sorn-in-law jared kushnr getting very close to the crown
prince mohammed bin salman. all of the faith that the administration put in the saudi government is starting to look in a very much different light now that it seems that the saudi government was behind the murder of a u.s. resident and journalist for "the washington post." >> at some point we're going to hear more from the turks and get some sort of final statement from our intelligence folks. how does the u.s. eventually handle this issue with saudi arabia with all the international pressure that's coming in, too? >> i think you're going to see probably some sort of sanctions. probably not any kind of industrial sector but more on individuals who may have been involved with this. there might have to be some movement on the part of the saudis perhaps to release other dissidents and journalist who is they have in prison. if they were to do that, that would be a really important gesture that would go over very well in washington. i think a lot of it is going to come down to what steps each
side is willing to take. like i said earlier, it really depends on what happens to the crown prince and how prominent he continues to be going forward and whether he's really learned his lesson from this or not. i mean, in is a guy who could end up ruling saudi arabia for the next 40 or 50 years. if he thinks he can get away with this sort of thing, it's going to be a very rocky future for u.s./saudi relations. >> there will be a lot of eyes on the princrown prince for a l time to come. >> with election day rapidly approaching, we'll break down a voting block that democrats desperately need to turn out in large numbers, millennials. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
discord in the u.s. political system. this criminal complaint is separate from robert mueller's investigation that's also looking into russian meddling in the 2016 election. but the special counsel probe was one of the defendant's main targets. let's bring in former u.s. attorney barbara mcquaid and staff writer natasha bertrand. natas natasha, you've been covering this story. what more can you tell us about this case? >> this is a really interesting one because it did not come from robert mueller. there was essentially this giant troll farm attempting to influence the 2016 and now 2018 midterms. this did not fall within mueller's purview. but also because mueller was
targeted. what was happening was the russian trolls were essentially telling each other to message certain things in a way that aligned in many senses with donald trump's talking points. so they attacked bob mueller saying he was a democrat, he was a public puppet establishment figure, they alleged widespread voter fraud, they attacked paul ryan saying he was weak. this woman who was part of the criminal complaint filed that was unsealed just yesterday, she was involved in it because she was essentially the accountant that all of the operations that the troll farm was running. she was managing the money behind it. i think we're seeing a flurry of potential law enforcement activity around this woman. it's unclear whether she's been detained. it's unlikely. but the fact this was a criminal come plant aplaint and not an i is interesting. >> barbara, who will federal
prosecutors move forward with their case? >> usually you use -- this come pl -- complaint was filed three weeks ago. it may be they've concluded they're not going to be able to arrest her as a russian national, if she was in russia, they may not be able to extradite her. maybe this is an opportunity to do what's known as name and shame. rod rosenstein has said it's important to inform american people about this threat in an effort to neutralize it. and john bolton is traveling to moscow today. perhaps by unsealing it, it gives him an opportunity to talk to the russians about this. not only is this a problem that happened in the past in the 2016 lebs, but election, but it is still
ongoing and threatening our election, knock it off. >> investigators are looking into wikileak contacts. how significant of a development do you think this is? natasha? >> sorry. roger stone has always been one of bob mueller's biggest targets. i think roger stone himself has said he expects to be indicted by mueller perhaps before the year is over. this isn't altogether surpris g surprising. the fact of the matter is that roger stone seemed to have advanced knowledge of that, no matter how much he denies that he knew anything about what wikileaks was planning, he did say it's going to be podesta's time in the barrel in august of 2016. now we're learning from this wall street journal report that this conservative activist peter smith who committed suicide
allegedly last year, he died after talking about his efforts to find hillary clinton's missing e-mails. he may have had advanced knowledge of this as well. now it's putting together these pieces. did peter smith talk to roger stone? we know that peter smith had a relationship with michael flynn. now it's all about connecting the dots. >> barbara, paul manafort, the former trump campaign manager appeared in federal court in virginia on friday. he was in a wheelchair, missing his right shoe when he made that appearance. his lawyers claim they're dealing with significant health issues. they've asked the court to expedite his sentencing. how do you think this might impact his sentencing that's scheduled for i think february now. >> a sentencing date has been set. that's lukely enough time to give robert mueller an opportunity to do what he has to
do to debrief him. it sounds like he's been working with great urgency. they've met nine time and each meeting has been at least six hours in duration. ideally you would have the sentencing occur after someone's cooperation has been completed. not only have they sat down and talked with you, but they have testified so can you continue to hold out the carrot of a reduced sentence. even if his cooperation is not completed by february, they can have him sentenced and then file a motion to reduce his sentence even further. they have the ability to do that up to a first year after that first sentencing. so that gives them a year from february. so seems like there's plenty of time to still hold out that incentive for him to continue to cooperate. finds out like they are finding out everything he knows.
>> i want to get your read on what barbara mentioned about the manafort meeting with the special counsel at least nine times in the last four weeks. what do you glean from that reporting? >> i think it just shows even further that manafort is a really important witness and also that the prosecutors are doing their jobs. even if manafort tells them he done know anything, they have to make sure that is true because if he lies, the deal is off. their job is very difficult. he as so much information. he on the cwas on campaign at t pivotal time of the election, he was speaking to a russian oligarch who wanted private briefings, he was involved when the gop platform on ukraine was softened to favor russia. so all of these events are things that manafort can shed a lot of light into. of course, he was fired in august of 2016.
and the circumstances around his firing are all a little bit merky. so everything that he can tell between the con tekt into the campaign because he of course was the campaign chairman at that time. he would have knowledge as to all of that and prosecutors are just having to dig down deep into this to get the information. >> ladies, we will leave it there. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thanks, aaron. >> with just over two weeks to go before election day, allegations of voter suppression are popping up across the country. more on that next. rnett in chicago. (john foley) i was there when bob barnett made the first commercial wireless phone call. we were both working on that first network that would eventually become verizon's. that call opened the door to the billions of mobile calls that we've all made since. i'm proud i was part of that first call, and i'm proud that i'm here now as we build america's first and only 5g ultra wideband network that will transform how we all live, once again. (bob) the first call that we've made on the cellular system.
with just 17 days left before the midterm elections, claims of voter suppression continue to ring out across the country. the state of georgia is front and center in that fight. a new analysis from american public media now we verevealing state purged 137,000 voter rolls. meanwhi meanwhile, in north dakota, tens of thousands of african-americans could be dele -- nate of americans across five reservations in that state where many use p.o. boxes.
o.j., this voter i.d. law has been going through the process. we've been hearing about it for buy years now. what do you make of the court's decision and what this law does? >> well, the court decision was devastating for indian country. when you have people showing up during a primary, being able to vote and then coming back for the general and being told they don't have the proper i.d., it was a surgical strike against indian country that would basically suppress the vote and knock thousands of native americans out of being eligible to vote. >> so at this point, then, what's being done to make sure native americans don't run into problems when election day rolls around? how are you going to make sure they are able to vote? >> actually, you know, one of the things the state of north dakota did when they created this law, they united all of the tribes here. all the tribes is agreed that they are going to work with the
tribal members, and they are going to provide free i.d.s. we're actually working in creating a tribal street address system in which the tribe will be adopting and we will be able to assign a street to any native that goes in to vote that doesn't have a physical address. basically the law requires a name, a date of birth and a physical address, and so we will have that on tribal letterheads throughout the indian reservations in north dakota as a fail safe. we are also working on physical addresses we now have. one of the things i want to bring to your attention is they say that they need these physical street addresses and yet we have individuals that live about a quarter mile from a bar or liquor store and it's a native american family, they didn't put them where l physical address was, they put their address in the bar.
you know, i find that really disturbing, whether it was intentionally or unintentionally, that they used that address for this family. >> you talked about the letters that you plan to have available for people on the tribal letterhead with an address that they can use to show they do have an official address. are those efforts ready to roll. are you going to have everything in place and ready for potential voters by election day? >> yeah, actually we plan on getting ready before election day. it's absentee voters now. so we're going to be using those tribal letter heads from now until election day and take people to do absentee voting. >> this all came to light, the issue with the elections came to light after the 2012 election of heidi heitkamp. is anything being done to try to overturn the law? >> yeah.
the supreme court ruling really didn't take a decision as the actual argument that we're presenting. what they basically said is that the election is too close. what we're going to do is allow the 8th circuit's decision to go forward and stay the judge's stay, but this is far from over. we are going to be, you know, challenging this before the supreme court. there's other challenges that we've seen that we'll also be filing on. so this is far from over. they may have thought they won but they haven't. >> all right. we appreciate you making time for us today from south dakota there. thank you, sir. >> thank you and i send you greetings from the reservations in north dakota. >> thank you. coming up, democrats are scrambling to win over millennial voters but it may not be that easy to get them to the voting booth. they baptized me d
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list. why would you let them pick your representative who's going to determine your future? >> former president barack obama's video campaign launched this week aimed at young voters. both sides of the aisle are working hard to get out the young vote. the youth vote is especially important for democrats right now. a poll found just over half of millennials are likely to vote in the midterms. >> reporter: an nbc genforward poll showed almost half of the millennials won't vote. here's what's interesting to me. will you take the time to fill out a poll online but you don't want to go vote. >> the reason why i won't go vote is not because it time consuming to go out and put the
ballot in, it's just i don't get anything back from putting that vote in. >> do you think you're going to vote? >> absolutely. if i didn't vote, i can't complain. >> are you going to vote? >> if work commits. i'm in a pretty uncontested district. >> i think it's about trust. in the climate we're in, i don't know what to trust. i have this case i looked at. cynthia nixon, she ran for governor. he was going up against cuomo, who had never mentioned anything about legalization on namarijua. once it was on his opponent's agenda, he put it on his.
>> young millennials aren't always truthful about whether they'll go vote. how do you think that skoous the way people do their campaigns. >> it matters. if if all of a sudden there's nolg nothing. our happy middle is just not voting at all. >> and there it is. algorithms, statistic al models sometimes they can't account for a change of heart. >> simone, i want to start with you in the piece we just saw. in your conversation, one of the big driver for millennial vot s
voters, what is getting them to the polls? >> this is a generation that is very passionate about the things that they care about, things like social justice, the economy, education, the environment. so they have these strong convictions but at the same time, they're also disillusioned with with political institutions and politicians. >> according to this poll, there are voter issues, these are the voter issues that will drive millennials to the polls. you see it on the screen here. for white millennials, it's immigration, roe v. wade, taxes, for millennial voters of color, it's racism, these are big issues. >> there are a couple of things to look at here, one is that disillusionment with political parties and that happens across both sides of the political aisle. you look at this nbc news genforward poll, and you see 43%
of millennials have a flavorable view of the democratic party and 53% think the party cares about them. they lost trust in their politicians. that's one thing that's keeping them at home. a lot of people are saying it's not convenient. i can do everything else on my phone, like banking that has to be secure, why can't i vote on my phone too. >> president obama released this video, citing multiple excuses for not voting. you see it right here, i don't care about politics. i can't relate to the candidates, my vote doesn't matter. midterms are boring. i'm uninformed, in some cases, they said, i don't know where i'm supposed to vote. i don't have time to vote. how do you address these types of excuses with your organization woke vote? >> absolutely. the first thing we do is we build partnerships with the
millennia millennials. we don't come in at the last minute. when you build a relationship, and they feel like you understand what their every da situation is, when you understand they need money for books or school or they're a single parent at 21 and they need resources, when you're helping to meet every day needs it's not a transactional relationships, which basically they're saying, hey, i can't get to the polls. why can't i have this on my phone. they're feeling that this moment is very transactional. what we do is create a space where they feel like they can own the moment they're in, not just through their vote, but their governance in changing their communities. >> rock the vote has been around for a while, how has your strategy evolved around this generation? >> yeah, so one of the things that we focus on doing is actually making sure that we're not making young people come into the political space but we're actually going out to reach them with brands, with trusted messengers, right, reaching them in the culture
where they're in and bringing them into us. one of the things about young people is we have identified young people are passionate about the issues, but they don't participate at the same levels that older voters do simply because in large part they're new voters. they're unfamiliar with the process, and so we work to actually direct them to resources, to our election center at rock the vote.org, and that program in itself has been proven to turn out voters at 30 points higher than the national youth average. >> how much of a factor is social media playing in your strategy to try to engage young voters? >> it is absolutely a major part and component to our program. what we realize is that most of the news millennials are getting is on social media. we have to be in those spaces pushing the messages and quite frankly, pushing the understanding about what's going on in our communities, and so every program that we have has
that digital strategy which is led by millennials in the space. they are the ones reaching out to their counter parts, reaching out to the people that they connect with every single day, and they're the messengers, they become the value didators of th process. also with the digital, it gives that person way more of an effect of having a total outreach being done in their community. they're seeing it online, they're seeing it when they go to school. now it's a lifestyle. it's not just a moment in time. >> simone, we talk about getting young people out to the polls, there's got to be motivation to begin with. is there a need for candidates to change the way they're campaigning to relate to younger voters? >> based on my conversation with these young folks, they said that the way alexandria cortez
resonated, she was about authenticity, the fact that she didn't take pac many was substantial to them. if you look at her campaign, beto o'rourke's campaign, he has raised a lot of money based off small donations. these are the campaigns they would like to see more of. >> it will be interesting if we see a change. i appreciate your time today. thank you, ladies. >> absolutely. thank you. >> thanks. and still ahead, with less than three weeks to go until election day, democrats are scrambling to get to voters and to get them to the polls. we'll have more on the midterm races in our next hour.
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president trump is speaking to the press as he's wrapped up his event in nevada. let's listen to what he has to say. >> he has not seen that. he has not heard that. i would tell you if he had. we have heard about it. nobody's seen it! not even the cia? >> not that we know of. we have not gotten a transcript either. we have heard all about it. we're hearing about it just like you're hearing about it, probably from the same people. we have not seen it yet. it's possible. you don't know that, but it's possible. we've had a tremendously positive development with mexico. i just want to say on behalf of the american public, that we appreciate what mexico is doing.
they've really stepped up, and it will not be forgotten. we just signed our new trade deal with mexico, and with canada. the u.s. mca, and now i'm very happy that we signed it. i really appreciate, and they've had some people that were very badly injured. six people at least. and we really appreciate what mexico has done on the border. we appreciate it. first time this has ever happened, and hopefully it's because they respect the leader of the united states, but they have never done that before, and i will tell you, i appreciate what mexico has done. >> are you satisfied that some of them have been fired? >> i'm not satisfied until we find the answer. it was a big first step. it was a good first step, but i want to get to the answer. with all of that being said, though, we have $450