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tv   Up With David Gura  MSNBC  October 28, 2018 6:00am-7:01am PDT

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pittsburgh. they are certainly leaning on one another and of course, their faith. >> what are you going to be watching for today? that news conference scheduled to begin at any moment. what are will you be listening for? >> we're certainly looking to learn more about the planning of this attack. was it something that the sc suspect had been planning for quite some time. often in these cases, we learn that investigators are watching people on these social media sites, that are known for carrying hate gab, which is the website he was on, is a free speech site, but many people say it's also a form for hate. so we'll look to see how closely investigators are watching this suspect. >> miguel almaguer joining me now in pittsburgh. i want to turn now to ron mott, he is outside the alleged shooter's home in pittsburgh with more. i know they were searching that apartment last night. tell us a bit more about what investigator have found, what they were looking for in that search last night? >> reporter: hey, david. one of the critical things they were looking for last night in
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this building behind me were explosives. so some of the residents evacuated. i believe there are about 11 units in this building behind me. you can see things are all clear this morning. they did enter mr. bowers' apartment around 7:00 last night. don't know what was taken,, if anything, out of that apartment. but officials are saying they're going to dig into all aspects of his life over the next days and the next week. and particularly one question of concern that a lot of people will have is is there anyone else who knew what he might have been planning. one of the residents here said that robert bowers moved in about two years ago and that he found him to be unusual for how remarkably quiet he was. he was not described as an unfriendly man, but someone who clearly did not want to engage with the the community members and neighbors around him. this neighbor saying that he would only see robert bowers speaking to the landlord here, and basically if he would pass you, he would not go so far as to say hello or wave a good-bye when he left.
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they said he kept some very odd hours, his television would be on late hours of the night, early in the morning, that he would leave his apartment at all hours of the night and day and come back at various different times. so people were left unsure exactly what he did for a living. now, the "pittsburgh post-gazette" got in touch with a man who knew robert bowers and his family, almost, robert bowers from the time he was a very small child, who said that mr. bowers paid him a visit last year to catch up and they got to chatting and he said that he was working for a local trucking company and that he was making pretty good money, but the man told the "pittsburgh post-gazette" that he found it a little off-putting that robert bowers seemed to prefer to be alone by himself all the time. so that's going to be something that they dig into it here over the next few days and weeks, is exactly who this man was, david. >> ron, very quickly here, help me with the geography. i'm in squirrel hill, the neighborhood where this took place. how far afield are you from where i am? >> reporter: not exactly how far we are from squirrel hill. we're in the baldwin borough
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neighborhoods, south and southwest of downtown pittsburgh. it's probably 15, 20 minutes up to your location there. so this would have been a drive. and that's going to be another question is, how long had he been prlanning to attack this particular synagogue. i don't know the layout of where the nearest synagogues are to his home here, but obviously, squirrel hill is a predominantly jewish neighborhood and that tree of life synagogue is an anchor in that community. so many, many questions left to be unanswered. but the people who have lived with this man and around this man just found him to be a bit unusual. and sadly, yesterday, he's allegedly pulled off what was a devastating attack on this community. david? >> absolutely, ron. thank you very much for the reporting. i appreciate it. and joining me here now in squirrel hill is meryl ansman with the jewish federation of greater pittsburgh. ron just a moment ago talking about the importance of this neighborhood to the jewish community. this is a stalwart part of the jewish community here in pittsburgh. talk a bit more about that, if you would. >> well, i have grown up here.
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i spent my entire life in pittsburgh. right now where we're standing, i used to live four politics in one direction and currently live about four blocks in the other direction. i raised my children here and my children live here as well. we -- this is not only are there many synagogues in this neighborhood, but we also have the jewish community center, which is at the corner of forbes and murray, which we really do consider the center of the jewish community. some even joke and say it's the center of the universe. >> you're processing this personally, i imagine, and your organization as to process the this as well and think about what next steps might be. are you there yet? are you thinking about where to go from here after what happened yesterday? >> actually, i think that the leadership in the community, we are very much in like function mode right now. the adrenaline is still pumping and we spent all day yesterday gathered together with members of the families and other leaders of other jewish organizations at the jewish community center just trying to plan and look the forward. in just a short while, we have a meeting with all of the
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presidents, execs, and other members of every synagogue, every jewish agency, and every jewish organization within the city. we'll be meeting with them. together, we will be discussing our next steps and spending time together and hugging and kissing and crying. and just trying to process this altogether. so on one hand, there's shock. on the other hand, we're very much trying to figure out what to do next. >> i was going to ask you, what's on the agenda for that meeting? is security high on the list? or are we still at a point where you say, it's processing, supporting, trying to figure out how to process or to begin to process what happened? >> security is definitely on the list. we are very, very lucky to have the unbelievable support of local, state, and fbi and probably other police, too. they were a significant presence yesterday in the jcc while we were meeting there, and i know that the mayor here has promised that will continue as long as we feel it's necessary. yes, security is a concern, but there are other concerns. the emotional concerns, the desire and need to be together.
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this is really, i'm sure everybody has been saying this, but this is a very unique and very special community. we all know each other. i know many of the victims. one was my son's basketball coach. one is the mother of a friend. one are these two young men who aren't young anymore, but i've known forever and it's just -- it's heartbreaking when i think about them and their families and all they did was go to synagogue on a saturday moorrni. and it's just very, very sad. >> i was talking to the ambassador a moment ago about the scourge of anti-semitism. what's your message about that, as we begin to piece together whatever digital footprint or digital trail that was leftover by the alleged gunman, what should the take yeaway be aboute state of anti-semitism in this country and around the world? >> well, the optimist in me says, love, not hate. that's who i am and that's what i the truly, truly believe.
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on the other hand. about almost two years ago, the jewish federation hired a community security director, anticipating some day this awful thing happening, hoping, of course, that it never would. i'm pleased to say that he has been used throughout the community, every organization, every synagogue has utilized his services, and i understand from some of those that were in the building yesterday, that a lot of the active shooter training that went on really did help to save lives. so that doesn't mean we're done. that's only the beginning of what we have to do. >> thank you very much. our thoughts are with you. thank you very much for being here. i want to turn now to kelly o'donnell, my colleague who covers the white house for us here at nbc news. kelly, we heard from the president six times yesterday, by my count. what do we know of what he plans to say today? does he have anything scheduled at this point? >> well, six times across three states. so this was defense something that was dominating the president's time on saturday. and of course, he wrestled with the decision about -- well, we
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don't know if he wrestled, he said he considered canceling the rally, but carried on with that. today the most obvious sign is that flags have been lowered. he signed a proclamation, those flags will remain allowerin low military bases and embassies around the world throughout the month. as far as a plan, the president has the no public events during the daytime. later today, he and the first lady will be hosting the halloween party on the south lawn of the white house. that's an annual event. we don't have any anticipation of the president making any new remarks yet about what occurred in pittsburgh. however, we can talk a bit about what he did say on saturday and i followed this closely through the day. he made a strong statement condemning the anti-semitism, the hate, the evil, he called it. also talked about potential penalties, saying that he would advocate for the death penalty for a gunman in a situation like this. we know from our colleague, pete williams' reporting that
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among -- >> kelly, i've got to interrupt you. i'm sorry, the press conference here in pittsburgh is beginning with law enforcement officials. you can see the special agent in charge of the case stepping up to the lectern. we'll take a listen to what they have to say about the status of this investigation. you see the mayor, bill peduto is there. let's take a listen to what they have to say on this sunday morning. >> good morning, everyone. i'm scott brady, the united states attorney for the western district of pennsylvania. on behalf of attorney general jeff sessions and the entire family of the united states department of justice, we want to offer our most heartfelt condolences and prayers to the victims of yesterday's senseless acts of hatred and violence. to the families and friends and to pittsburgh's jewish community and to the larger community of pittsburgh. the jewish community of pittsburgh is one that we, as pittsburghers, treasure. it's an important part of the cultural and sociali identity o
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pittsburgh, and so this was an attack upon our neighbors and upon our friends and one that we felt very deeply. the fact that this attack took place during a worship service makes it even more heinous. a place of worship is a sacred place. it's a place of peace and a place of grace. it's a place where a community comes together to celebrate that that they hold most dear and most sacred. are and this, of course, is our first freedom as a people. so today, all over pennsylvania, men and women in similar places of worship are in prayer for our jewish brothers and sisters. so today, we stand together as a community, a community that rejects hatred and violence, a community where neighbors respect neighbors, where we embrace our religious diversity and we celebrate our differences. and together, we mourn those whose lives were lost. and we begin the healing process. i want to commend the courageous
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police officers and s.w.a.t. teams who responded to the scene. they are truly heros, who without hesitation, without concern for their own safety, ran toward gunfire to protect innocent victims. by confronting and neutralizing bowers, they prevented additional loss of life. so word about the charges. last night, i many office filed federal charges against the defendant, robert bowers. the complaint alleges that on saturday, october 27th, at approximately 9:50 a.m., robert bowers entered the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh's squirrel hill neighborhood. at that time, members of the tree of life synagogue were engaged in religious services and worship. bowers was armed with multiple weapons. he had three glock .357 handguns and an ar-15 assault rifle. inside the synagogue, bowers shot and killed 11 individuals and wounded two others.
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police officers and s.w.a.t. teams responded quickly to the scene, and bowers shot at them, ultimately four police officers were injured, and three of them were shot by bowers. during the course of his deadly assault on the people of the synagogue, bowers made statements about genocide and his desire to kill jewish people. after a standoff with police, bowers eventually surrendered and remains in federal custody today. so our complaint charges bourwe with 29 separate federal crimes. there are 11 counts of murdering victims who were exercising their religious beliefs, there are 11 counts of using a firearm to commit murder, and each of these count cens is punishable deaths. the final seven counts are the harm inflicted by bowers of the
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brave police officers who were injured. three of these brave young men were shot by bowers. bowers is scheduled to make his appearance before a magistrate judge on monday, october 29th, at 1:30 p.m. so moving forward, the investigation is underway and our work will continue. know that we will spare no effort or resource in insuring that the defendant is held fully accountable for his unspeakable and hateful crimes. we would ask the public and the media to have patience with us, as we conduct this investigation and understand that there are things that we cannot share at times during the course of the investigation. at the conclusion of our remarks, we'll be happy to take questions. now you'll hear from special agent in charge of the pittsburgh field bureau, robert jone jones. >> thank you, scott. last night at approximately 9:00 p.m., robert bowers was formally taken into federal custody,
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following the issuance of an arrest warrant. he is presently still in the hospital, following surgery and under guard. at this point, we have nothing to indicate that bowers had accomplices, but again, we are in the early stages of this investigation. our hearts continue to go out to the families of the victims of the jewish community here in pittsburgh last evening after some difficult work by the medical examiner's office. all 11 victims were positively identified and next of kin notification took place. as of 6:00 a.m. this morning, all of the victims had been taken from the education center to the medical examiner's office. i want to personally thank the leadership of the jewish community center and the rabbis of the three congregations located at the facility for their patient and the patience of the families, as we work through the night to identify and remove the victims this morning. this is a large complex crime scene. and much work remains to be done. at present, fbi evidence teams from baltimore, washington, and
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newark are here to augment pittsburgh. and we estimate that the crime scene may take up to a week to process. as reported already, we've conducted a search at the subject's house in baldwin. and a search of his vehicle will take this morning. i can't comment on what was found in those searches. we continue to conduct interviews, scrub social media, review possible surveillance camera video, and exploit digital media to determine how and why bowers committed this terrible act. i ask again that if you have information that may help, please contact law enforcement. i would like again to thank chief shubert of the pittsburgh police of the heroic actions of his officers. had bowers made it out of that facility, there's a strong possibility that additional violence would have occurred. i also want to thank wendell histerik and his team. they are a big part of the community that all law enforcement promises to protect
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and serve. thank you very much. and i'll turn it over to wendell. >> good morning. i would just like to take a few minutes and thank the outpouring of support that we've received over the last 24 hours. the jewish community center, the red cross, the salvation army, the various grief counselors, the children's institute, and the many other organizations and businesses that provide food and logistics for the officers and for the victims. as mr. jones mentioned, the area around wilkinson shady will remain closed so that the forensic investigation of the crime scene can continue. that area will probably remain closed for up to a week. extra patrols have been assigned around various sensitive locations throughout the city of pittsburgh, to include where the scheduled event will occur
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tonight. in the next few minutes, the medical examiner will release the names of the deceased victims. i would personally ask that the media respect the privacy of the families of these victims. i was there last night and witnessed the notifications being made to the families. it's a very difficult time for the families and i ask you to give them some distance. finally, if you see a first responder, whether it be a police officer, paramedic, or firefighter, go up to them and say "thank you" for their work that they've done. the last 24 hours has been extremely stressful for them and a word of thanks would go a long way. at this time, i'll turn it over to pittsburgh bureau chief scott shubert who will give you an update on his officers.
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thank you. >> morning. first and foremost, as everybody's saying, our heartfelt condolences to the victims and to their families and their friends. and we have a strong relationship with the jewish community in pittsburgh and i just want to tell them that we grieve with you, we support you, and we're here for you and we will continue to work with you. this is a tragic thing for everybody. but it's something that makes pittsburgh strong, is that we work together. so we're going to continue to do that. i still want to praise the officers for what they did. i mean, they ran into danger, they ran into gunfire to help others. some of that's training, some of that's experience. but it's their inner core that wants them to help others, that wants to save lives. and they did that yesterday. so we want to praise them for
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that. the four officers that were injured, one was released yesterday. we're praying one will be released today, and then the other two have a little bit more that needs to be done and can't say enough for the medical staff at the hospitals, for what they're doing for the officers. we have incredible hospitals in pittsburgh and they're doing a fantastic job with that. can't say enough for the interagency and intra-agency support. western pennsylvania is blessed to have so many law enforcement agencies that work together, that train together, and yesterday just showed how that works. city, county, state, federal agencies working together, no e egos, working together for what's right. and i can't thank them enough for that. and just, we're going to get through this. and we're going to continue on
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and show what pittsburgh is made of. so, thank you. >> good morning. i'm dr. carl williams, i'm the chief medical examiner of allegheny county. and again, i want to reiterate what everybody has said so far, which is, in my office, extend our deepest sympathies and condolences to the families. i met with them last night during the process of identification and there's no words to express the sympathy that they need. yesterday evening, at the synagogue, we have identified all 11 victims before they were removed and brought from the synagogue last night to my office. we've been involved with four rabbis from the synagogue and elsewhere. they have a continued presence at my office during the process.
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i'm going to give you the names of the victims now, and these will be available to you afterwards. 75-year-old joyce feinberg of oakland. 65-year-old richard gottfried of ross township. 97-year-old red cross mallinger of squirrel hill. 66-year-old jerry robinowitz of edgewood. 69-year-old cecil rosenthal of squirrel hill. 54-year-old david rosenthal. david and cecil rosenthal were brothers. 84-year-old bernice simon of wilkinsburg. 86-year-old civil simon of wilkinsburg, husband and wife. 79-year-old david stine of squirrel hill. 69-year-old irving younger of mt. washington. the bodies are currently at the
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medical examiner's office. autopsies have begun on those. we are doing everything in our power to complete the process in a way that honors both civil and religious law and the cause and manner will be released to the media as they're determined. we have not established a time framework for this. we're only in the initial process of evaluating what will be required to do that. and finally, in talking with the familiies last night, they are n shock and grieving, as you can imagine. my colleagues and i join the authorities in asking for you to please be respectful of their needs for time and space as they deal with this tragedy. today and in the coming weeks, they will need to know that pittsburgh supports them and is lifting them up. thank you. >> hi. i'm jeff finkelstein.
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i'm the president and ceo of the jewish federation of greater pittsburgh. so i have to begin by saying that i've seen this room a lot of times on tv and i never thought i would be at this podium. this is an awful, awful period for our jewish community and especially for the families who have been affected. and it's real once you hear the names. we're going to do everything we can to help the families. we're in the process of doing that now. and we'll be there for them and be there to help our jewish community in the pittsburgh region heal from this. i want to echo a lot of the thanks and gratitude that people have already expressed to local law enforcement, to the fbi, to the dhs, the salvation army, the red cross who have all been there with us yesterday at the
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jcc. i want to thank my colleagues at the jewish community center and jewish family and children's services, especially, for really stepping in to work with the families and, you know, we will definitely get -- we'll get past this and be a strong jewish community like we've always been. thank you. i'm going to ask the mayor to come up now. >> thanks. pittsburgh is a strong town. we are a resilient city. we have been knocked down and we have found ways to stand back up. and we've always done it in one way. by working together. to the victims' families, to the victims' friends, we are here as a community of one, for you. we will be here to help you through this horrific episode. we'll get through this darkest day of pittsburgh's history by
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working together. squirrel hill is the most diverse neighborhood in all of western pennsylvania. people choose to live there, because of the diversity of the community. the jewish community is the backbone. it is part of the fabric of pittsburgh. and we will be there in all communities to support our friends in the jewish community. we, as i stated, have been knocked down before, but we have always been able to stand back up, because we work together. and i have to take a moment to thank those that spoke earlier. the effort that was put in across multi-jurisdictions, from the federal to the state to the county to the local was something that we should all be proud of. the fact that we were able to work together as one community,
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suburban medics coming in voluntarily to take on different areas of our city, because all of our medics were at the scene. our medics deciding on their day off to voluntarily come in, to fill seven additional ambulances to back up our officers with, and the officers who came from surrounding counties. the federal agents and the state troopers and the county officers all working together in order to be able to make sure that an episode that will forever go down in the history of this city as one of the worst moments that we have experienced was able to be lessened because of that cooperation. and to those that are standing behind me who spoke earlier, the professionalism that was exemplified through their leadership was something that we need at our darkest time. to our officers who are in the hospital and to the one officer who has been discharged, the
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thanks of an entire city go to them. their sacrifice and their knowing of the danger that they put themselves in order to be able to protect others is something when they put on that uniform that we should understand the sacrifice that they make. and to their family members, this city will be behind and there to support you in anything that you may need. and finally, to those that are not familiar with pittsburgh, to those who have given their words of in the hospital only confidence, but support to pittsburgh from around the world, around this nation, and around the state, thank you. we know that we, as a society, are better than this. we know that hatred will never win out. that those that try to divide us because of the way that we pray or where our families are from around the world will lose.
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and in pittsburgh, we're pragmatic. and we find solutions to problems. we will not try to rationalize irrational behavior. we will not try to figure out ways in order to lessen the degree of crimes such as this. we will work to eradicate it. we will work to eradicate it from our city, from our nation, and our world. hatred will not have a place anywhere. and we will work locally to make those changes happen. and we will work with partners around this country and around this world to make sure the that it ends. i want to thank, again, all of those in this room, the elected officials who are gathered, those who have worked on the front line of public safety, those that worked within public works and other parts of government, in order to be able to assure the safety of our people. and we'll open it up to
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questions at this time. >> yes, sir? [ inaudible question ] >> either flying glass or a bullet fragment that ricocheted off something. >> yes, sir? >> was there any indication that the alleged shooter had cased out the synagogue or had any familiarity with it before saturday? >> we don't have any information on that at this point. >> was the weapon used in the shooting the ar-15? >> all the weapons he brought into the facility with him were used. >> scott, a lot of people have asked if this is a case of domestic terrorism. can you speak to that? >> we are treating this as a hate crime. as special agent in charge jones said, there's no indication that he's working with anyone else and so we have charged it and are treating it as a hate crime, but continue to investigate. >> and just to elaborate, the distinction of domestic terrorism would be to involve
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what? >> the distinction between a hate crime and domestic terrorism is a hate crime is where an individual is animated by a hatred or a certain animus towards a person of a certain ethnicity or religious faith and it becomes domestic terrorism where there is an ideology that that person is then also trying to propagate through violence. and so we continue to see where that line is, but for now, at this place in our investigation, we're treating it as a hate crime and charging it as such. >> you said it was an ar-15. what were the other weapons? >> he had three glock handguns with him. >> the first two officers who confronted the suspect, could you clarify where that occurred? was it outside the building? and have you determined whether or not the shooting inside, he had done the shooting he was going to do or there was a potential for more shooting outside? >> from what we know at this point, i know that he was exiting the building. i'm not sure if it was in the doorway or just inside or just outside. and your second question again? >> was whether or not that there was an idea that he had -- that
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the shooting he had done inside was -- that he had concluded that or -- >> it appears at this point that he had finished and he was exiting the building. >> and there was some reference to the possibility of additional shooting. was that the idea that he had more ammunition, he was going somewhere else? >> we don't know of any plans to conduct additional shootings. my comments were meant in this fashion. there would have been a violent encounter, probably, as he left, at some point. that's what i mean by additional acts of violence. >> what's the estimate on how many people were inside the synagogue at the time? and did anyone try to fight back? >> i don't know that at this time. >> do you know what was going on inside the synagogue at the time? what kind of ceremony or? >> i actually don't know the specifics. there are three congregations that meet in the same building. so i'm assuming all three were holding services. but i actually don't know for sure. >> and do we know which
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community -- is this one specific congregation, the victims? >> no, i think they come from -- i think, actually, what i know, they come from all three. >> so he moved throughout the building, because they were holding services in different places in the temple, right? >> i don't know his motivation of where he moved and why, but as has been said, he moved through the building and there were three separate congregations conducting services. >> and the victims were from all three? >> yes. >> how long did this last? how long between the time he entered and the time he -- police engaged him outside? >> we're estimating at this point 20 minutes or so, but we don't know that for sure. >> that's 20 minutes, period, between the police shoot-out and the initial -- >> all i can tell you at this point is that the initial shots fired comments were at 9:45. we know that the ems call went out at 9:54, and the officer engaged him at some point after that. that's a very rough estimate at
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this point. >> -- into the synagogue? >> i don't know why he picked this particular synagogue. >> can you elaborate at all on the shooter's condition at this point? >> do you know? >> it's still at he remains in fair condition at allegheny general hospital with multiple gunshot wounds. >> will the families be able to bury the dead within 24 hours [ inaudible ] jewish law or will the investigation delay that? >> we have representatives, rab bias -- rabbis at the office. we're doing everything we can to balance what we need to do as a criminal investigation with the needs of the families. so we're just in the initial stages of processing the bodies. we will make sure that we can do everything we can to make sure that we can release the bodies in the shortest possible time frame, making sure that we get the information we need to carry on the criminal investigation.
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[ inaudible question ] today, no. some of the bodies will be released today. how many, i'm not sure. >> were shots fired at all three services and do you have any handle on how many shots at all were fired? >> lots of shots were fired. there were casings everywhere, but no. >> were they in all three services? >> i'll have to refer to the investigation that's going on. there were different activities going on in different parts of the building. so, yes. >> are investigators looking at any surveillance footage that may have been inside -- >> pardon me? >> sorry, any surveillance foot n age that's being reviewed right now? >> we're attempting to see if there's surveillance footage that captured anything. >> was there anyone armed inside that tried to confront the shooter? >> i have no information that that happened. >> from what he said, were the shots fired within common areas or did he actually go into chapel sanctuaries? >> all we can tell you right now is that there were three
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different locations inside the facility where we found deceased victims. >> do we know how he obtained his firearms, purchased them? >> i don't -- i personally don't have that information right now, but we're working closely with our atf partners and i think we have that. >> mr. mayor, may i ask you a question? >> yes. >> you're learning a lesson from this horrid tragedy. is it not time for political classes to get together and talk about getting the gun out of american society? >> i've heard the president's comments of how we should arm guards in our synagogues. our churches, our mosques. i've heard the conversation over the past year about how we should arm security guards in our schools. we're dealing with irrational behavior. there is no way that you can rationalize a person walking
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into a synagogue during services and taking the lives of 11 people. we shouldn't be trying to find ways to minimize the dangers that are occur from irrational behavior. we should be working to eliminate irrational behavior in the empowerment of people who would seek to cause this type of carnage from continuing? i think the approach that we need to be looking at is how we take the guns, which is the common denominator of every mass shooting in america out of the hands of those that are looking to express hatred through murde murder. >> last question. mr. mayor -- [ inaudible ] >> sorry, go ahead. >> mr. mayor, what do you think
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of the international attention that you're getting and how do you think this is going to affect the midterm elections? >> i have no idea how it affects elections. but i will say this, that the outpouring of love and support for pittsburgh is incredibly appreciated during this time. and there are a commonality throughout the world of people who have had enough of this type of hate based upon somebody's practice of religion or somebody's national origin. there is an outpouring is that is being heard through the people of pittsburgh right now of where people want to see society move towards. and it is not about finding ways to divide us. it is about finding ways that unite us through our commonality as humans. let this horrific episode be
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another mark in the march of humanity towards recognizing that we are all one. >> thank you. >> that was the conclusion of a press conference taking place just a few miles from here. federal law enforcement there with the mayor, bill peduto, with whom i spoke just a few moments ago, fielding questions from reporters. also there, the chief medical examiner of allegheny county. pittsburgh, of course, a part of allegheny county, somberly listing the victims of the attack here yesterday, many of whom were in their 70s, 80s, and in one case, 90s. we learned a bit more about the circumstances, what took place yesterday. more detail from the criminal complaint that federal -- that the u.s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania filed. that there were three glock handguns used by the shooter and a colt long gun, as well. an ar-15. we heard there from robert jones, the special agent in charge of this investigation,
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that the attack took place in three locations within the synagogue that's just one block behind me here in squirrel hill, in pittsburgh, of pennsylvania. some more detail on the man who conducted this, on robert bowers. there have been two searches. one underway this morning of the suspect's vehicle. another took place last night in baldwin, pennsylvania, of the suspect's apartment. we heard there from the head of public safety for pittsburgh that the suspect is still in the hospital, under guard. he is in critical condition. nbc's matt bradley is standing by. he's at a hospital here in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. cal perry is with me, as well. he's in new york moderating the digital footprint that was left behind by the gunman, by the defendant named in that criminal complaint. matt, let me turn to you, first. just get your reaction from what we heard there from those members of law enforcement and the medical examiner, as well. the detail that we got here over these last few minutes. >> a lot of interesting details that are just coming out right now. and as you mentioned, those 11 names, the really tragic hearing of all of those elderly people,
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they included, among those 11 people, a pair of brothers and a husband and wife. they were among those who died. i'm standing in front of the hospital where there's still four victims who are receiving treatment. two of them are police officers and one of them, one of those police officers there, hoping, as was said at this press conference, is going to be released today. one of the three police officers was also released yesterday. but there's a 70-year-old man who is among the injured here. he is experiencing some real difficulty. he had apparently multiple gunshots to the abdomen. and one of the really interesting, tragic things that we're hearing here is that a lot of information from -- that was gleaned from the iraq war in afghanistan, some of the trauma sn surgeons who are experienced in dealing with those wounds of war and weapons of war and that kind of trauma, that's really coming to bear in experiences like this
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and a lot of the medical people that we've been talking to said that they're learning lessons from that war. and i spoke with the head trauma doctor here at pittsburgh medical center. and listen to what he had to sa say. >> not sure that we have that tape, matt. >> reporter: okay, anyway, the -- we're hearing -- again, this was a really interesting press conference. we heard that this assailant, david bowers, not only did he have that ar-15 rifle, he had three glock handguns. and the medical staff that we were talking to said that these massive weapons, because of the velocity of the bullets, the size of the cartridges, they had terrible wounds inflicted on these victims. david? >> and matt bradley, the medical examiner there declining to qualify how many of those shells they found in the synagogue behind me yesterday. let me turn to cal perry now. i was struck by something the u.s. attorney, scott brady, said
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during the course of that press conference. he talked about what the gunman screamed when he went into that synagogue. that is something we saw in that criminal complaint locally this morning, cal. you've been looking at the toxic soup of commentary that he left behind. >> yeah, garbage, mostly, and if not entirely garbage. bier goi we're going to be putting this on a website,, a lot of this is where this came from. a lot of users on this site have been kicked off of sites like twitter and instagram and facebook. we have a screen shot of one of the postings that the gunman made. we're certainly not going to go through more than one of them. we don't want to carry a lot of this hate speech ourselves. but the gunman posting shortly before the shooting that he was, quote, going in. he blamed, as he put it, jews for a lot of what was going on that he saw problematic around the country, specifically this caravan in mexico of migrants moving towards the united states. you can see it there.
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blaming, quote, hias likes to bring in invaders that kill our people, screw your optics, i'm going in now. hias is a refugee organization, a humanitarian organization, it's been operating for 130 years. it helps refugees, specifically people who have been displaced from their home for no other reason than they are jewish. this is something that the gunman pointed out that he had a major problem with. certainly something that authorities are going to be looking at as far as motive, david. >> cal perry, thank you very much, in new york. miguel almaguer is back with me in pittsburgh. looking at this list of victims, a pair of brothers were among those named. and you heard law enforcement saying, out of respect for these victims, give the families space. a lot of mourning still happening at this point in time, but a truly somber moment as the medical examiner for this county listed the 11 individuals who were killed yesterday. >> indeed, and during that press conference, they said that the dell toll could have been much higher. the suspect clearly had plenty of ammunition.
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they said if it were not for the first responders that began to engage the suspect, the number of killed could have been much higher. the oldest victim in their late '90s. these are folks the that we're told were pillars of the community, pillars of this synagogue, were there every saturday for sabbath. were part of this community and were so engrained. these were the stalwarts that showed up every weekend, they were there early, they were there just a few minutes before the services were set to begin, so certainly a devastating blow to many people here. >> miguel, thank you very much. miguel almaguer joining me here in pittsburgh, as we learned that there were three congregations meeting in that facility yet when this attack took place. i want to bring in dani daynan joining me now from new york. we've spoken many times in the past, ambassador daynan, about the scourge of antismec-semitis not in the abstract, but something that's really driven it home. your reaction to what happened here in the squirrel hill neighborhood, in pittsburgh yesterday. >> this was a horrible attack,
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david president not only get the jewish communities, but against american values. when a gunman enters a sabbath service it's against freedom of religion. and i think it's now time for not only condemning the attack, but for action. it's time for action. we need clear condemnations from everyone. we need to think about the security, what we're doing in the synagogues. and fortunately, in europe today, when you go into a synagogue, you face a different reality than the u.s. maybe it's about time to do something similar here in the synagogues in the u.s. and third, it is about monitoring the social media of potential terrorists. we do monitor social media of potential terrorists and we are able to prevent many incidents like we saw yesterday. i think it's a time for action for the jewish communities and for the authorities. >> we saw yesterday the prime minister decrying what happened here. i wonder what your conversations
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have been like with the government about what took place here yesterday? >> we have the experience with attacks in europe and france. and when we spoke with authorities back then, we told them, it is your responsibility to secure the jewish communit s communities. in israel, we are here to support the jewish community to help them, but the responsibility is of the government. and i'm sure that the authorities will do whatever is the necessary to change their reality today. that someone can enter a synagogue. we saw in 2015, in charleston, south carolina, when another individual entered the church. we don't want to wait for the next incident. we want to take actions to prevent them. >> you talk about support. and i wonder how you define it after what happened here yesterday. what does that mean, what needs to happen here going forward here? >> well, in the jewish community, we do speak with them, we help them to cope with the situation. but i think in terms of security, we need to think about what we are doing in synagogues
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and churches and mosques in the united states. it is unfortunate. no one wants to go to pray and to pass by a security guard. but look what happened at the airport in the last 20 years. 20 years ago, you just boarded a flight without going through security. and unfortunately today, i think we cannot leave it in tact. we cannot allow individuals to enter synagogues and to massacre jews, christians, and muslims today. >> and as i've heard from members of the community here, ambassador, certainly a conversation that's already happening here in pittsburgh. much more about the politics of what happened here yesterday, the comments made by the president of the united states at an event in indianapolis and a rally later in southern illinois coming up right here on msnbc. southern illinois coming up right here on msnbc. ites but there was always a catch. like somehow you wind up getting less. but now that i book at, and i get all these great perks. i got to select my room from the floor plan... very nice... i know, i'm good at picking stuff. free wi-fi... laptop by the pool is a bold choice...
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♪ >> from continuing. i think the approach that we need to be looking at is how we take the guns, which is the common denominator of every mass shooting in america, out of the hands of those that are looking
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to express hatred through murder. >> reporter: that's the mayor of pittsburgh, pennsylvania just a short while ago responding to some of the comments we have heard from the president of the united states in the last 24 hours in the aftermath of the shooting that took place up the hill from the neighborhood i am standing here. a columnist for the daily beast, morgan, i want to get your perspective of what we have heard from the president. there is a tweet in the immediate aftermath indicating he was going to address it. he did at the tarmac at joint base andrews. spoke about it again. and then we got a fuller message from the president before a group of young farmers of america at a conference he was scheduled to attend. how different is this, the way he's approached this from the way we have seen presidents do in the past? as i go back to history, presidents have made exceptions to their schedule. maybe they addressed this in the
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oval office and then they do the event afterward. your reaction to the way the president has approached this, margaret? >> canceling politics yesterday would have been the easiest thing for the president to do. but he didn't. you know, major league baseball was more solemn that he was at his rally, having a moment of silence and playing a very important game in a very civil way. the president paid lip service to what had happened, but while the rest of us were -- we were all jewish yesterday. he wasn't. he went about his business. and while he did express sympathy, he then proceeded to attack democrats. and it was so out of place. he's not -- unlike other presidents, i mean, i remember all of the times when you watched presidents, you know, hold back tears over incidents like this.
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sandy hook being one that, you know, president obama, you know, one of those iconic pictures where he is sitting and writing his remarks and it's one of the saddest scenes i have ever seen. and then we have had charlottesville. we have had charleston. we had yesterday. and the president doesn't even show wisdom about what the current state of our laws are when he talks as if we don't have the death penalty. and he talks as if we should have more guns. if more guns were the answer, we, with our 400 million guns in civilian hands, would be the safest country on earth. >> margaret, i think what you are talking about here is context. i'm glad you bring up the tweet the president sent last night about the world series game, about the dodgers and the red sox. and, you know, i think about
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what we saw on the tarmac yesterday. and it was sort of real-time. it was the president fielding questions when he didn't need to field questions. so much of what we're talking about here, gun policy, about the death penalty, these are things he seemed willing to engage in in the aftermath of what he saw yesterday. >> if you can't be the consoler in chief, then will silent and show a solemn regard for what happened. but he proceeds in a way that if he's not on teleprompter, he shouldn't be speaking. his staff tries to control him, and he made a joke about it after the bombs that were sent a few days earlier in which he said, i can tone it down, but i can also tone it up. and, boy, do we know that. >> margaret, thank you very much
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for the time. no doubt this will be a vital conversation here over the next few days. right here in pittsburgh the mourning continues. more vigils are scheduled for today. as we heard from the medical examiner, they are continuing to perform autopsies on the 11 victims killed yesterday. a.m. joy will continue to bring you the latest on this story as it develops. we'll be right back. my name is elaine barber, and i'm a five-year cancer survivor. being diagnosed with cancer made me rethink everything in my life. the things that became important to me were the relationships with people. we pulled together closer as a family. i had so many people at ctca helping me find a way to go through the treatments, to prepare me for anything i would've faced.
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>> reporter: our coverage from pittsburgh will continue throughout the day. i'll be back at 2:00 eastern time. thank you very much for watching. stick around. a.m. joy with my friend and colleague joy reed starts right now. good morning and welcome to a.m. joy. that chant, vote, vote, vote came from the thousands who gathered to mourn in pittsburgh that cut down is is people as they sat in the tree of life synagogue on the jewish sabbath. it came at the close of a banner week in right wing extremism, with the massacre in pittsburgh coming one day after a florida man was arrested for attempting to assassinate via mall bomb 14 targets,


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