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the folks that won the last election are so mad all the time? you know, i don't know why. it tells you something interesting. that even the folks who are in charge are still mad. because they're getting ginned up to be mad. >> good morning! and welcome to a.m. joy, live from fort lauderdale. yes, in battleground -- do you hear that crowd? it is the final sprint to the midterm elections. as you can see, people behind me are heading into this very building to vote. today is the final day of early voting in florida, aka soul to the poles sunday. more than four million floridans have already voted early. driving that turnout are not one but two critical, crucial neck
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and neck races. democrat bill nelson is trying to hang on to his senate seat, while andrew gillum is vying to become the first african-american governor of this state. let's bring in my super panel. joining me now, friends all, i'm hanging out with democratic pollster and host of the podcast strange days, christopher metzler and at a disadvantage, david jolly, not hanging out onset with us. former republican congressman from florida who recently left the party. david, i feel badly that you are not here with us. i was just telling my friends here i'm hopped up. i want to play, david, for you president obama talking about you because not only did you abandon the republican party,
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but you already had cast a vote in the governor's race here. let me let you listen to that. >> a former republican congressman, david jolly, just cast his vote. he voted for andrew gillum. he said, the reason is simple. it is because i have served with ron desantis. i don't imagine congressman jolly and major gillum agree on a lot. but maybe they, just like all of us, agree there is some things bigger than politics. and that's on the ballot right now. what kind of politics do we want? >> congressman, that's pretty harsh, that you voted for andrew gillum because you served with ron desantis. please explain. >> sure. i wish i could see the look on their faces because that was quite a moment. i did vote for andrew gillum and
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my initial comment was because i had served with ron desantis and i don't think he accepts the responsibility of governing. he is looking to advance merely an ideology. but, joy, barack obama's words challenged me a little bit in saying they don't agree on much. it forced me to reflect on areas where we might agree. and the reality is i realized i am closer to andrew gillum on issues of gun control and health care access to all than today's republican party. obama's comments at the end also matter. there are things bigger than party and bigger politics. we have lived through two years of republican colleagues saying i can overlook the president's behavior, the rhetoric, the teasing of these racial undertones because we get health care policy and tax policy that reflects my republican ideology. what i say to them today is believing in the fundamental decency of your fellow man,
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regardless of race, creed, color, neighal origin, political affiliation, believing in our shared responsibility, that is also just as much as ideology as is your thoughts of ideology on health care and taxes. no, you don't get to look away from the fact that we have a president that has stoked fear and division and continues to leading into tuesday. to suggest somehow that is not an ideology in itself, it is. it is a fundamental core belief of this president and his surrogates and those who follow. >> wow. chris, i have to go to you on this. what happened to the republicans like andrew? i mean, when i was living down here -- i lived down here for a long time. i know a lot of republicans like david jolly that were conservative maybe fiscally. but you have seen even those kind of republicans who are like andrew jolly in temperament follow right along behind donald trump, fall in line with ron desantis. what happened to that republican
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party? >> well, that is no longer the republican party. this is the republican party of donald trump. and, so, for a number of people what has happened is trump has come in, and he has remade the republican party in his image for better or for worse. >> is it really in his image? we have had in the past the southern strategy going back to richard nixon. it is not as if republicans have never used race before. pete wilson in california, it is not new. it is not donald trump. there is something happening in the party, right? >> they have, in fact, used it in the past. but what we essentially -- where we are right now it seems like, for example, in the state of florida, why are we not talking about health care? why are we not talking about sugar? why are we not talking about algae? we are talking about race with less than two days to go in this race. >> yeah. >> so what that says to me is part of the problem that desantis clearly has is how much of the party can he hold
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together to win the race? and, remember, the bases are going to be what the bases are. florida is unlike a number of other states. there are at least five different states within the state of florida. >> yeah. >> so base politics is very difficult to work in florida. >> let me go to my democratic strategist, pollster and podcaster extraordinary because it is five states. but it does seem that the republican party here has made a calculation that the strategy is to just run up the score with white voters and to do it using race. to be pretty blunt about it, pretty overt about it. >> we have talked about it, joy. they are using an open race war because their theory of the case is they have got to maximize that 67% of the white vote and try and get as many as those out there. and it's interesting to see now. we have the results of early
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voting in through this morning. >> yes. >> the democrats have virtually caught up to the republicans, and a lot of people like to talk about the bradley effect. we may have to talk about something new called the jolly effect because we are seeing lots of republicans like david jolly saying this time around we cannot support this. we're going to go straight ticket democrat. i think that's belying some of these numbers. there are a lot of independents voting democrat. that's why we are seeing the beginning of this wave start to materialize here in florida. >> there were two candidates who were neck and neck for the republican nomination. it was a more traditional republican who is pretty well known to the party across the state. in hindsight, will the republican party come to regret that the primary came out as it is? is this is a specific ron desantis problem or a donald trump problem here? >> i think they will regret if they lose, right? we don't know if they will lose
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now or not. we're looking at a neck and neck battle. but in the end it is the party of trump. and these republicans voted the way they did based almost solely on donald trump. >> ron desantis had his baby in a trump onesie. >> there wasn't a hell of a lot of campaigning on the republican side, but donald trump's tweets and his rallies likely contributed to more white republicans voted on election day in the primary than democrats of all colors on election day. to your point, the white vote and the amount they are focussing on it has been intense. currently it's ticking down and to down and down. now all that lags for democrats is getting the hispanic vote up to its share of registration. if that happens, it is looking like gillum for governor. >> today is the final sunday of voting, souls to the polls sunday. africans are really focussed.
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people are lined up inside voting. so i wonder if that strategy of just running up the score with white voters. it obviously worked for donald trump in 2016. but in a state like florida that is this complex where you have a cuban american vote that used to be solid republican but has got a 50/50. you have got a puerto rican vote that is very democratic. you have a lot of imports. when i was down here, they used to call this the sixth bureau. >> it's not as easy as that, number one. number two, i think what in particular desantis did not look at very effectively is, in fact, how -- the fact that he's not donald trump. now, what works for trump doesn't necessarily work for other candidates. you can put the baby in the onesie. you can do all of that kind of stuff. but at the end of the day, you are not donald trump. and so that is not -- it's going
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to be very difficult in the context of florida to win with that kind of strategy. >> on the other side of that, of course, it's been challenging for democrats to get minority voters, to get voters out in the midterms. it's been challenging. is the democratic party here, the coordinated campaigns, are the campaigns doing better than normal in that? >> i think they are. we didn't see the signs early in the process. but that is starting to change. i think they put so much of this intensity, joy, in this last 72 hours. just alone yesterday as a florida voter i got five text messages asking me if i had voted yet. clearly, they have their eyes on the thing. >> i got a robo call from didi talking about legalizing weed. >> what makes this such an
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exhilarating and terrifying election, it is a moral cross roads for the united states because this racial aspect of the campaign is so out in the open. there is no thinly vailed element to it. it can't be talked about in polite company. we're going to find out on wednesday morning what path the united states has chosen and what florida represents the perfect proxy battle for that battle. are we going to be a country ofof diversity or unity and tolerance? >> yeah. let me ask david jolly that. what will it say to you about florida, about the direction of the country if ron desantis, who has run a divisive campaign, a pretty racial campaign and jarringly so for the modern era, what will it say to you if that is successful in the end? >> i would be worried. we could face it tuesday where republicans outperform in florida and nationally. i think the president of the united states, his followers, his constituency, would consider
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that a mandate, everything from bob mueller to their approach to race and culture. the constituency vote that i'm looking for, the delta in this race that on wednesday we'll look back and try to measure is among republicans who do defect. if you are a candidate, you really have to keep support among your party just over the 90% mark. if it starts to soften below that, you are in trouble. how many people voted in the clinton/trump race that are saying i can't undervote? how much are defecting like myself and others? that's where the race will be decided. we have no idea how to model this. this is a different turnout race than we've ever seen before. regardless of the number of people that turn out, that might be the delta. >> yeah. it will be interesting because if andrew gillum is successful, the first thank you call he should get should be from bill nelson. he's probably bill nelson's best hope. >> bill nelson's approval rating
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and support shot up after the primary. why do you think that is? >> yeah. he should thank andrew gillum if he's successful. all right. thank you. coming up next, brand-new polling on who voters would like to see controlling congress. stay with us. i've always been amazed by what's next. and still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin... i want that too. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. what's next? reeling in a nice one. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve
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you've got the clearest choice before you right now. we're either going to return to taking kids from their families, deporting the parents back to the very country from which they fled, visiting cruelty and torture on those kids and families or we're either going to be walls, muslim bans. we're going to be defined by our fears and paranoia, or we are going to return to who we are. we are this proud immigrant story, state and experience. it is the very source of your greatness as texas, as a country. >> the texas senate race is one of the pivotal races that could determine control of the united states senate. over on the house side, a poll shows that democrats have a seven-point advantage going in among likely voters. joining me now tiffany cross and
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jason johnson of you know, we promoting the root, that's big. i'm generous. let's talk about this real quick. are you guys as pessimistic? are you guys on that? >> i have always been there. >> you're so cynical. >> right. he's a nay sayer on a lot of reasons. >> he's closing, and it is great he's only down by three, but it is still texas. his only saving grace is this idea you have so many over performing early voting districts, and i think a lot of pollsters don't know what the likely voters will be in 2018. that may end up saving him. >> that last thing you said is why i'm skeptical of the polling. because you can't poll these rural districts. i think those polls are undercounting. he's been laser focussed on african-american votes. >> over 60% of latino voters
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have never been contacted by a major campaign. over 40% of texas voters have already cast their vote. >> right. >> i will say since they're polling so closely, you have to look at some of the irregular y irregularities and a few counties said the electronic voting switched their votes. when they're polling that closely, that's kind of a big deal. and even the manufactures of those machines says it is like calling apple right now trying to get service for your iphone 1. that's a major issue when they're polling that closely. i'm not counting out beto, and i want to remind everybody that jason was counting out stacey abrams when we were on this very show. >> let's go there. you were skeptical. >> i have altered my skepticism. >> is that because twitter came
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for you? >> and my friends in atlanta. 600,000 early voters who didn't vote in 2014 or who have never voted before, that's amazing. >> yeah. >> and those people are not people that brian kemp has been reaching out to. i think there is a very good chance now in georgia that we could end up in a run off. >> a run off is not good for the democrats because brian kemp controls it. >> given the fact it is an incredibly red state, that would be a success. but there has not been any polling -- they have been tied for two months. >> he has never led. what's going to happen in georgia? >> i'm calling it for stacey. i think there is so many untapped voters the pollsters are not paying attention to that fly below the radar. we were all just in atlanta. and the enthusiasm you see, not just in atlanta, but she's done a great job of reaching out across the state and not just a lot of people have this notion that she's the black woman
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voter. even though black women voted overwhelmingly in the primary, she's done a great job of reaching across the aisle to some of these conservative voters that are unhappy with the rhetoric coming out of the trump campaign. i'm calling it for you. i'm being optimistic and i'm saying she's going to win. >> i was following the campaign there, and the enthusiasm is incredible. let's go on to claire mccaskill. she is trying to turn against the migrants. she is doing that strategy. i just heard just from friends, you know, in missouri, she might be stregling with the african-american vote a bit. >> she's done. she's done. and i think every single african-american activist and political organizer i know down there, they haven't forgiven her since ferguson. but people have looked at her behavior over the last several years. and you can't win as a democrat
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in the midwest if you don't have huge turnout. i think she's done. i think heidi heitkamp is done. i think republicans will gain seats in the senate. >> every time she's supposedly done. she manages to squeak it out. i have that question. in a state like missouri, you need the black vote. i wonder if in this current climate where you have an open progressive in beto to ruo'rour. >> when they march this middle of the road campaign and make this assertion to try to appeal to trump voters. there is no penetrating that layer of willful ignorance. give it up. she has had a lot of trouble with the black vote. she's decided to stay in the middle. there was a time when she wanted a lot of politicians to sign into this letter saying we, the black people, stand with you. i think that's a problem for
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her. you know, whatever happens out of this race, i think it should be a lesson to democrats that when you try to walk that middle of the road, it doesn't work. >> stop the migrants at the border feels like -- >> why are you playing in on that? you don't have to say anything. let's go to north dakota because there has been another aspect of voter suppression that we don't talk about enough. we talk about suppression of the african-american vote. but native american voters are also having a hell of a hard time trying to vote in north dakota. i wonder whether that ends up ginning up their enthusiasm. >> this has had the opposite effect among the native american community in north dakota. to remind the voters, they invented this rule you have to have a residential address, which a lot of native americans living in reservations don't
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have that. well, what has happened since then is in a midterm race where maybe a lot of native american voters has not paid attention, they're seeing enthusiasm in turnout. the native american community there has fought to the very end. last week a judge ruled against them. but this was a judge who has ruled in their favor. he ruled against them to get this rule overchanged because he said it is too challenging to do it too close to the election. they have gone out fighting. it is a state that 95% white, so the native american vote is huge there. >> it is heidi heitkamp's base. >> you have seen the demographics change there. but a lot of them are republicans who are there in the oil industry. and this is a state that there is no voter registration. >> right. >> you don't have to register. it is a hard one to call. i will say i am not counting
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heidi heitkamp out yet. people say she's done and she has come through every time. so i'm not counting her out yet. >> i think it has been amazing. if there is one lesson i hope we have all learned from this election it is that, you know, voter suppression is national. it is not just a southern thing. it is not just a texas thing. the fact that many of these native american groups were able to get ids but faced with whether they use blue ink or black ink, it leads to enthusiasm. the republicans have been very ev enthusiastic about their senate choices. ever since brett kavanaugh, the republicans got a bump in enthusiasm for their senate candidates. >> there is a lot of negative evnthusias enthusiasm. kemp's office, the current secretary of state, has opened an investigation of georgia democrats after an alleged
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hacking attempt to hack the state's voter registration system. i'm skeptical. >> yeah. are the cops going to come to his house? because if there is anyone who looks like they had a history of trying to change voting, it is brian kemp's office. >> he is pretty blatant. >> this is shenanigans. it boils down to a candidate that is afraid. every losing campaign acts the same. they get nervous, desperate, more aggressive. he already backed out of a debate today. this kind of last minute investigation is not going to do anything. either he will win or he will lose. it is this kind of behavior that turns off a lot of independent voters because they don't want to see a secretary of state running around and trying to arrest people for voting.
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>> a lot of people who happen to be in a position to suppress is vote run around and try to run for lieutenant governor. >> i think gillum wins, and i think he's going to carry the senate race along with him. not because the campaign has been run, but he's getting a free ride to the senate on gillum's coat tails. >> i'm saying gillum and nelson. gillum will drag nelson over the line, despite the fact that he had a rally yesterday with jimmy buffet, who has a terrible record of predicting voters. >> we're taking the cynical man. somebody take jason and gin him up. >> i got to go by the numbers. as we try to get jason a healthy brunch, make him a little more positive. coming up, the young activists
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during the cold war, america's children practiced duck and cover. today our children huddle in supply closets hoping the next school shooter doesn't take aim at them. >> i never said good-bye. my kids never met their grandfather, and this is the last photo i took with my father because he was killed by a criminal with a gun. so when i tell you i will stand up to the nra to protect our community, you can believe me. >> we saw it at the pulse nightclub, in parkland and again this week. the time for common sense gun safety is long overdue. >> many democrats across the country are finally embracing their stance on gun reform and promising to stand up to the
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nra. will that make a difference on tuesday? joining me now, co-founders of march for our lives and pulse shooting survivor brandon wolf. great to see you guys. i'm going right to you jackie. i saw your tweet. >> yes. >> this week about your first vote, parkland student. >> i voted on my 18th birthday. >> on your birthday. >> so that was exciting. i voted with my dad. >> that is really great. that commercial would have never happened, i think, before -- really before the activism of parkland and other students, young people like you guys at pulse. finally democrats are willing to openly say, yeah, we want gun reform and they're willing to run commercials on it. is that something motivating to your generation? >> incredibly important because of the young people voicing their support. i think a large portion of it is
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because of the activism of the kids from parkland, from pulse and from all over the country that this has affected a community. i think this is a driving force for young people, gun violence prevention. it is important that these candidates are addressing it because it's going to affect -- 96 people die from gun violence every day. this needs to be an issue that's talked about. >> and, you know, brenda, you have a governor's race in which the democratic candidate stood with the parkland students, was in tallahassee when you guys went up to tallahassee. he's been fighting back against the nra and he managed to get the nomination. this is a huge change. you guys are too young to know it, but this is a huge change. is that also motivating? >> yeah. i think now more than ever, especially this year, we have faced a huge amount of gun violence. we are not going to accept a candidate that doesn't stand
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with us on this issue heading into office. i think that we have really made a point to hold these politicians and these nominated officials accountable for saying that, you know, we're not going to accept this as something we can change in our country. >> absolutely. brandon, let me hit you with a couple of polls here. you are practically a pundit. >> i'll try my numbers out there. >> battleground districts poll, 41% of people respond to that poll say that gun violence is an extremely important issue in their vote for congress. you have had target smart report that at this point in 2014, voters under age 30 cast 849,876 votes. this year it is a little over 2.3 million votes. voters under 30 are actually coming through this year. do you think that the gun issue is at the forefront of that? >> well, think about what people like jackie and brendan that
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lived through. so they have lived through really a nightmarish childhood where gun violence is the norm in america, and they have been told time and time again there is nothing we can do about it, thoughts and prayers. they're saying your thoughts and prayers can shove it. we have a vote just like you do and they're showing up to the polls. i hear a lot of millennials are voting, and i laugh. millennials should be voting. we have kids. we're married. we have graduated from college. there is no reason that we should not be just as engaged in everybody else. you are feeling it. youth votes are up in texas over 500%. in tennessee over 700%. thank you, taylor swift. but really i cling on to this thing that barack obama says, right? he says don't run against something. run for something. you got andrew gillum saying the same thing. for once, we don't have to run against donald trump.
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we don't have to run against ron desantis. what we can run for is to save our own lives. >> absolutely. one more statistics here. this is the nbc news next again forward poll. 31% say definitely. 26% say probably. unfortunately 23% say uncertain. probably not 12%. it is a sliding scale. but, you know, jackie, the thing that's been difficult, a part to millennials and younger, you guys are next after millennials, is the connection between voting and change. i think for a lot of activism, what the pulse kids did, the parkland students did, that activism, getting out on the street feels like change and feels like you are making change to young people, right? but voting it is harder to explain why that is also the way to impart change. have you been able with your peers to be able to make that connection? >> yeah. i think now more than ever people are realizing there are
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issues behind the names on the ballot. they just saw names, and they didn't know who they were and what they represented. but now people are seeing, i mean, teenagers go on the streets to advocate for abortion rights, to advocate for gun violence prevention and people actually understand, oh, health care is on my ballot. all of these important things actually add up. now more than ever people can search candidates online and youth know how to use twitter and instagram more than anything. the president used twitter as his bully pulpit and now young people are too. >> buzz feed is reporting there was another shooting. we're here in a state where we have had a surplus of gun violence. two women were shot at a yoga studio. the tallahassee shooter was a far right who railed against women and minorities online. it is pretty frightening to
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think about how easy it is for people to acquire a firearm. you can't help that people are horrible. but the easy acquisition of guns is still an issue. >> right, definitely. we have seen a shooting in a synagogue, two college shooting campuses, a yoga studio, and it comes back to these people should never have been able to acquire a firearm in the first place. once the shooter is identified, it is uncovered that they have this kind of track record that should have been prevented and they should have been prevented from them getting a firearm in the first place. we see this incredibly easy access to getting these guns. that's at the end of the day all that we're trying to accomplish. we're not trying to infringe on anyone's rights. we're just trying to make it harder for people who shouldn't have guns to get those guns in the first place. >> florida has this nickname, the gun shine state where one in 17 people have a concealed carry. it is a very gun friendly state.
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you're a little older than these guys. >> little bit, yeah. >> so can you envision a florida in which there is real, meaningful gun reform? >> yeah, i can. and it starts with andrew gillum as governor of this great state. it starts with bill nelson representing us in the senate. it starts with candidates that represent our interests. i can imagine a florida that i'm not afraid to go to the grocery store. i can imagine a florida where people like jackie and brendan can go to school without active shooter drills and hiding under desks. it happens all over the world. i think people in this country often forget that this is where it happens. this is not happening around the world. this is not an unstoppable issue. this is not something where people haven't figured it out. people have figured it out. we're just behind the times. i think that's why you are feeling millennials turning out. the reason is that people
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finally understand that we can take a stance on these issues, right? i know that for a long time democrats were talked about as, oh, they're weak or they won't go after it, right, or they're accommodating. i don't feel like we're accommodating anymore. it shouldn't be okay that people can get gunned down in a yoga studio or that 17 people can go to school and not home to their parents after that. we're in a place where we can say that. we can reject the status quo. >> when are you running? >> when i am running? let's get through tuesday. >> i am ready to turn over the country to these three. i think we will be fine. thank you very much for being here. very proud of you. your first vote and brandon wolf, either going to make him a pundit or he's going to run for something. coming up, florida's next attorney general could challenge donald trump. ways to lose stubborn belly fat. the roasted core wrap.
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sound like fighting for a little guy to me. >> i want a leader who stands up for other people's health care, even if they've got health care. running to become the first african-american attorney general of florida, shawn shaw. thank you both for being here. >> i'm happy to be here.
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>> i just found out that we have a little family tree investigation to do after the show. a lot of history is on the ballot obviously with andrew gillum running to be governor. you would make history if you became the first attorney general. as far as the health care lawsuit, is that a commitment you're making? >> the minute i have the pen in my hand and the ability to do it, florida will lead the lawsuit to end the affordable care act. it's partisan. it's wrong. the law has been found to be constitutional. let's just get rid of that lawsuit. >> marlin, you're talking to folks down here. is that the issue? when we were in georgia health care was huge. it was a huge issue why people were supporting stacy abrams? is that the case in florida? >> huge, huge issue. you have a family member who may have breast cancer, kidney transplant, diabetes, sickle cell, the democratic race. >> are people thinking down
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ballot about it? >> absolutely. this is folks, your family members, kids, grandparents, extended family. any federal issue, state official that's speaking about health care, this is something florida people are thinking about. >> shawn, the current attorney general very close to donald trump, very close to fox news. she's sort of made her brand on that trump relationship, the money that's been donated to her by the trump family. i wonder if such a marked change from a very pro trump ag to somebody like yourself who in theory could hold donald trump to account, is that something that florida independents are going to weigh when they go into that voting booth? >> i believe so. i believe they're ready for it. listen, the office of attorney general is the one that holds people accountable. i go where the law takes me and so if you're not breaking the law, you ought to be fine. >> what's that mean? is this about the trump businesss? what is on your agenda? >> first, you can't personally
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profit from the presidency. if the attorney general isn't willing to stand up for that, who is? these lawsuits have survived several procedural challenges. we're going to do it in florida. we'll look into that. what other office can do that but the one i'm running for? not only that, when the president makes statements that he can undo the u.s. constitution with the stroke of a pen. if you're running for attorney general and you don't have something to say about that, do you have -- >> is your opponent on the record? >> she is quiet, quiet, quiet. i guess i would be, too, if i was republican. >> marlin, i've lived down here a long time. one of the negative observations with democrats is they don't do a good job of filling out the ballot, flushing it out. why the down ballot races matter and getting out that vote. you and i know during the obama races those lines were moving because people were voting obama. >> we have the historic african-american library, the
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boulevard. i was poll watching yesterday. the lines were steady. i heard people voting a couple of the races. there's a lot on the ballot. >> you have to prepare, plan, download the clerk of the courts. the supervisor of elections. they do such a great job of giving us a sample ballot, fill it out, ask a friend. call an attorney general, maybe he can help you out. you have to prepare to vote. it's eight pages, three languages here in south florida, right? very diverse. multi-cultural region here in south florida. 27% of the total registered voters are in south florida. >> i have to ask you about the diversity of the vote. we can hear from your accent you are west indian descent. that is a vote that doesn't get specifically targeted necessarily by the democrats in the state who tend to think of the dichotomy of being african-americans, cuban americans and white voters.
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none of those categories are that simple. >> south florida is basically a caribbean city, right? in addition to folks from georgia and south carolina. we have people from the caribbean. the black vote and asian vote, even some folks who are white, folks don't fall into neat little boxes on the ballot. so this is something that voters have to be cognizant of. they elected those who are running for office have to be cognizant of. and the families that came here on cistern boulevard were -- >> bohemians. >> are you addressing that? >> we are. when you're running in florida, you have to address the fact florida is like six states. north florida is nothing like south florida. the i-4 corridor where i'm at is different. you have to address that. that's why you come down and spend a lot of time down here and speak to people. you've mentioned an issue. everyone cares about health
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care, i don't care if you're in the panhandle, key west, anywhere in between. people do not want to be discriminated against. >> are you finding -- we're out of time, but even voters who would not be predisposed to vote for a democrat would be voting for medicaid? >> that's not a democrat or republican, it's right or wrong. >> shawn john, good look. marlin hill, my friend, great to see you. >> so good to see you. >> shouting out cistern boulevard. more "am joy" after the break. insurance that won't replace
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if you turn out on tuesday to vote for this whole incredible florida ticket, i promise you something powerful happens. change starts to happen. hope starts to happen. >> they want to invite caravan after caravan, and it is a little suspicious how those caravans are starting, isn't it? isn't it a little? and i think it's a good thing maybe that they did it. did they energize our base or what? >> welcome back to this special mid term road trip edition of "am joy" live from fort
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lauderdale, florida, where obviously the most attractive people ever came to watch our show. the closing days of this election have turned into a battle of the presidents with each offering a different vision for the country. president obama focusing on hope and health care to energize democrats and donald trump using conspiracy to energize republicans. both are heading back on the road to make their final pitch in crucial states after focusing on florida this weekend. and joining me now is nbc's mariana a ttencio who is in kissimmee, florida. >> reporter: good morning, joy. when we talk about the latino vote, we're talking about 29 million voters and puerto ricans are a key conconstituents.
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we are 2 1/2 hours north of where you are. very competitive races here in florida. the governor's race, the senate race and latinos make up 17% of registered voters in florida. these votes matter, especially three days out. but how do you get puerto ricans to turn out? here in kissimmee we have a fee he -- fiesta. behind me ar are actresses talking to puerto ricans in spanish, english with music about issues the most. perhaps no name resonates the most than lin manuel miranda. i'm here with his father. luis. >> pleesh oasure for joining yo
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>> reporter: thank you for being here. when we talk about puerto ric s ricans, what issues matter most to them specifically? >> we actually have been talking to puerto ricans now for the entire year. puerto ricans started coming to florida a decade ago when the situation in puerto rico got worse. three years ago we had another wave and certainly after maria we had the biggest of all waves of puerto ricans here. so for many puerto ricans voting in the u.s. means that they're helping puerto rico. that's why we have an entire campaign of puerto ricans in the island calling their grandparents, brothers, sisters, vote for those democratic candidates who actually have been helping puerto rico. so it's important that we mobilize and get that vote out. >> in terms of issues is it health care? the maria response? what issues resonate?
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>> there is no doubt health care resonates the most. we have seen how obamacare brought hundreds of thousands of new eligible health carey sip yents to the rolls. many of those latinos, we've seen how that has eroded since trump and all of his people in congress have been fighting obamacare. so this is an opportunity to tell trump, to tell the republicans in congress that we're not going to take it anymore, that we want our health care back. >> thank you so much, luis. joy, it's hard to hear because it's so loud here with this crowd. do you have any questions for luis? >> i do. if you could ask him if the personal attacks on the mayor of san juan by the president, is that something that puerto rican voters are thinking about and that's motivating them in this election?
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>> the question is is the dispute between the mayor of san juan and donald trump, if it resonates with voters, if it makes a difference? >> when puerto ricans are offended like the president did with the mayor of san juan, regardless of the political party that you belong in puerto rico, you feel offended, particularly the way the president did it sort of not only putting down the mayor but all-americans and saying we couldn't do for ourselves the things that we do in our country. that if anyone has followed things, there has not been a more energized community. >> reporter: joy, it is not only democrats that are after this key constituency, we've seen
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surrogates for rick scott here. puerto ricans turn out. the key question is we know thousands have moved to florida. we know they're energized but we will see on tuesday how many have registered and how many will actually vote, joy, back to you. >> thank you, marianna. thank you very much. appreciate it. let's now bring in our panel. tiffany cross of the beat d.c. fernando and host of the podcast strange days. and melanie campbell, national conveyor of the black women's roundtable and david jolly who's in the box. i'm going to come to you quickly on this, on the issue of puerto rican voters, ferdinand. people think about the cuban vote. the puerto rican vote is more lopsided. there is a turnout issue. how is that picture looking for
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hispanic voters? >> joy, the reality is cuban hispanic voters have a generation or two of participating in the elections. the puerto rican and non-cuban american is less. they're under performing a little bit as to where they should be. if they come out, and they certainly have the motivation now, hurricane maria was the exact type of issue that impacts them directly, they could make a difference and tilt florida and make it not a purple state, a blue state. but the question is, will they not. we can bring puerto rican voters. >> he split the vote and he has tongues wagging. he won the puerto rican vote by
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45 points. >> david jolly, are you surprised to hear that rick scott, the republican governor, he thinks that he can make a play for the puerto rican vote as well? >> sure. look, rick scott is a very disciplined campaigner. he knew he would be facing off against bill nelson. you saw him facing off on state issues and try to at least eat into what otherwise might be a traditional democratic constituency. i think it's still an uphill battle for that constituency for him. we tried to get it done because of that. >> tiffany, rick scott despite a major medicaid fraud on the books, $1.7 trillion against his
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company, he's been able to eke out wins. >> i want to weigh in on his plan about the puerto rican vote here in florida. when you hear things like that, when you look at the contrasts and the choices that floridians have and mainly the vote, i would beg people to remember getting paper towels thrown at you in the aftermath of hurricane maria. we're in these very tribal times and i would -- for one second if we can take party labels out of it. we know thoughtful thinking republicans. take a step away from that. look at the two tribes before you. one is a tribe that is a rest haven for misinformed people who fall in the category of racist or people who don't know. then there's another tribe that is focused on equality, inviting people into this process. even as you look at the
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gubernatorial races and the senate races and what they're producing, it doesn't seem like a complicated choice. i would beg people. abandon the party label. if you claim to be a patriot don't you care that the person that's in charge is chipping away from the core democratic purposes and there are too many people who echo that message and too many are silent. choose what's right for the country. be a true patriot and abandon the party labels. vote what's right. >> you know, melanie campbell, obviously voting has been your life's work of getting particularly the african-american community to be able to participate. >> yes. >> one of the things to the point that tiffany made is the sovereignty of the u.s. vote. we've seen a lot of interference by russia. they're interfering again. we've just had an instance where twitter had to delete or deactivate 10,000 accounts because they were impersonating african-americans and discouraging black voting and basically saying things like, just let the black women vote,
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black men stay home. putting up messages to disscourage african-americans from participating. they use pictures of you, images of you who is an advocate of voting to try to use your image to discourage black voters. >> yes, joy, i became part of fake news. i was down in bear glades out there getting out the vote with our florida coalition and black women's roundtable and pushing for amendment 4. >> tell us what amendment 4 is. >> it will give 1.4 million floridians the right to vote. former felons the ability to vote. i was traveling between georgia and florida and people were sending me information and it caught me while i was out there canvassing yesterday and found out that they used a picture of myself and robin williams, who's
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executive vice president for united food and commercial worker's union. the message was telling men not to vote. you see this shirt. we have a campaign and we've been pushing for over a year now power to sister vote. and really empowering black women to know to seize our power, not just our vote, our leadership, being able to do all of those things. it's our time. so the reality is when i finally was able to find out about this story, i understood. this was not an accident. people are doing their homework. they know my message is about empowering black women. so i'm anti -- solve e-- so the idea of getting men to stay home is not an accident. we're not going to be bamboozled by this. don't -- don't let off the gas. there's so much things we know. i've been doing voting rights work for 25 years so
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understanding that people will -- this is much deeper, the kinds of issues of using the cyber space and putting these messages out. so don't listen to anything. >> we've been talking about the russia investigation for two years now, ferdinand? the reality is, these are the tactics. trying to use the community against itself. >> right. >> it is pretty frightening to think there are that many different tactics used and some are not from the u.s. >> you know, the whole black exit campaign, we know is ridiculous. i haven't seen anyone want to be anything but inspired. russia was successfully able to get into our systems. donald trump is much more aligned with russian president
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putin than the people of the united states. they're going to do everything in their power, joy, to prevent any loss of authority from president trump and undermine not just the voting process but the mueller investigation who, by the way, is waiting in the wings. i'm more curious after the election. >> yes. what's frustrating. i'm coming to dave jolly. to be the laser targeting of african-american voters both in '16 and again now, zeroing in on trying to discourage black voters. russians have done their homework about the loyalty of black voters. it's frightening that over seas they're thinking that's who we want to discourage. you have domestic voters impression and you have international voters. >> when they do that, what party is that impacting? it's the democratic party. when you hear this president talk about this caravan of people who have put their own lives and the lives of their people in peril all to come here
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and to vote illegally, we know that's ridiculous. this is not a president who cares about the integrity of our voting process. he's actively supporting brian kemp. it's a ridiculous argument to make. when you look at the republican party who are so concerned about voter fraud yet they stand by and say nothing when the president talks about vlad-mile-an-hour putin. it's radio silence. when you talk to your friends still in the republican party, i wonder how they justify domestic voter suppression, really open against native americans, latinos, african-americans, and now international voter suppression, how do people live with that? how do they justify that? >> power. to them winning is more important than any morality when it comes to this election process. i have to double down on what
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tiffany said. this election is bigger than ideology. this election is about who we are as a country and you can tell the difference in messages. one is hope, one is fear. one is trying to turn voters out, one is trying to suppress voters. the closing message for obama is paychecks. bill clinton had medicare, medicaid, education and the environment. donald trump's scurrilous message going into tuesday is this, mobs, mexican and maxine. referring to your frequent guest, maxine waters. it is scurrilous, wrong, based in fear and demonizing. that's what's on the ballot tuesday. do you want us to believe and hope in better angels? or do you want to believe in donald trump and scare people? >> well, david jolly with a tease because we might have maxine waters on the show in a little bit.
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that shooter. i knew you were an ambusher when you walked in the room. we don't play those games in iowa. >> i was about to ask you -- >> no, you've crossed the line. >> i think he's given his answer. his answer is his answer. >> do you identify as a white nationalist? >> sir, stop it! >> our final installment of our "am joy" ten to watch series takes us to iowa where republican congressman steve king, the man you saw in that video is neck in neck with j.d.schulton. in the past week king's long history of ratcist remarks seem to have finally caught up with him. let's bring in judd legum, founder of the newsletter. what's going on? why has the republican party noticed steve king who's been steve king his entire career? >> well, it's unclear. he's been this way for a number of years, but i think especially the violent acts that we've seen
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over the last few weeks. i think people are starting to realize that these words have consequences and his actions have consequences. there was a very powerful letter in the des moines register, the dominant paper in steve's hometown area imploring people to move on from steve king. so i think that's part of what's focused people's attention on what you likely say is a long history of racist comments. >> one of our nbc correspondents was out in iowa and spoke with a farmer who was losing money on the trade wars who has been a steve king voter who when confronted with steve king's history of supporting farrist kn fascist, neonazi views. is there a dirchs and what do you make of that?
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>> i think that's -- that's right. this is a very bright red district. i think it's remarkable that you're even including this in a list of top ten races to watch. donald trump won by 27 points and there's people who were there who are very comfortable for steve king and have for a number of years just brushed these remarks off. i think people around the country are fed up. there's probable fewer people, he still is cap turk nearly all of them. the question is will there be a surge of democrats and independents. >> let me play history of the antiimhad i grants and white voters. >> the graveyards across america are dotted with the deaths of thousands who have been killed
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at the hands of illegal aliens. >> where did any other subgroup contribute to the population. >> than white people? >> rooted in western europe, eastern europe, the united states of america and everyplace where the footprint of christianity settled the world. >> i mean, that's a pretty rich history, the subgroups comment was made at the trump rnc. so the republican party is now for the first time, even after all of that, sort of formally walking away from steve king. do i have that right? that they're not helping him anymore? >> there are portions of it. certainly their campaign committee, the head of that came out and they're not going to be supporting his campaign. he's cash stracpped and the cavalry is not coming. there's other leaders. kevin mccarthy and speaker ryan have not come out and said
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anything about stephen king. he has his campaign committee assignments. i think they're waiting and seeing and i think if steve king wins he'll be welcomed back into the republican party. so this is a really critical election on tuesday. he's starting to get backlash but he's still in it and he can still pull it out. we'll have to wait and see. >> let me play you evan mcmullen, who we've seen on msnbc. there's an attack ad paid for by the american val utes pact. let me let you hear that. >> for nearly 16 years congressman steve king has been our representative in washington. he's gained a lot of admirers. he's a hero declares the neonazi website storm front. he's our guide. i'm very proud of him announced white supremacist richard spencer. steve king, klan and neo-nazi approved. >> this is kind of a depressing
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question, but in a district like steve king's in iowa, does that message resonate more strongly just according to the data or would something that was more about trade and the fact that he -- you know, to the point of a lot of people, he has abandoned the farming community? which one of those will resonate more strongly? >> i think it's more about the strategy. i don't think you'll convince many republicans from these kinds of messages but that anything like this is fake news. i think the strategy is to create a surge of democrats, maybe people haechblt voted in mid terms can change the complexion of the electorate in the fourth district of iowa. >> yeah. and to your point earlier, this would not even have been on a 30 to watch, even one cycle ago the fact that jamie schultz is in striking distance.
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andrew gillum has attracted some big name supporters in his bid to become governor of florida. my next guest, legendary television producer norman leer. such an honor. >> hello, fans. >> your fans are here. you have been here canvassing for andrew gillum. >> yes. >> what brings you to florida for andrew? >> i've known andrew for 25 years. followed him all of those years. i think is one of the giant talents in politics. not just politics, his humanity and ability to lead. with andrew you want to emphasize all of the human qualities of leadership. he's a glorious man.
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>> what difference do you think a candidacy like this makes for the country? we this that moment with barack oba obama. what do you think the election of someone like andrew would mean for the state and country? >> it could be the start of something. he is the governor of florida and there are all of the other states and the country. andrew is one of those young people that could go all the y way. the important thing is, there is andrew and our ability to vote and we have to get out there and vote. >> when you are knocking on doors canvassing, what are people saying -- >> i'm sorry? >> when you are -- >> other than the fact that norman leer is at the door. are you able to stand? >> well then what do they say they care about? what do people care about? >> they care about health
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benefits. they care about decency, honesty and being able to invest trust in the leader and andrew is one of those people, i know you can trust him all the way. >> you are obviously one of the greatest television producers of all time, you're a legend. "all in the family" has been something i've -- a little thing, archie bunker. there was a thing called the archie bunker voter during the trump era. the person who was cranky about race, cranky about diversity, cranky about multi-culturalism, cast a vote on that basis are still with him. archie bunker was a guy who was changeable. >> yes. >> he was a guy who had a heart in there. >> and he was afraid of progress. >> right. >> so for that, do you think that the voters out there who are trump voters, are they archie bunker or is this something deeper and more intractable? >> i think -- i don't think
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they're archie bunkers. i think they're people with a great and reasonable distrust of leadership. we have not provided for them when we're talking about corporate america, religious america, they earned better leadership than we have provided. >> if you were to make a show like all in the family now, could you even put forward a show like that? could a show like that work in this polarized environment? >> i think so. i think so. i'm thinking about it, another kind of way of saying some of those same things. >> >> okay. the thing we have to say at this moment is say vote. get out there and be the americans we are so fortunate to be. >> the voter suppression is intense. it's back to the 1960s level of
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blatantness of that. what do you make of that? >> i am so grateful for you talking about it. we've been listening to you and talk about it. >> i'm going to hyperventilate. >> could be good for rating. >> it is exciting to see famous people like yourself come out. you're seeing that in florida and georgia. does it make a difference? there's a lot of criticism for people who are alienated by hollywood in quotes. does it make a difference? >> i don't know. i really truly don't know. i think it certainly makes -- if there is air time and multitudes of people watching, it has to make some difference. >> i have to ask you.
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you are of ukrainian extraction, jewish background. when you see the violence and anti-semitism in the country, what do you make of that in 2018? >> i make of that, it's it is a piece of what is happening in the country. my father went to prison when i was nine years old and all i can think of is i would not have gotten through it if i didn't have a citizenship class teaching me that i needed to vote and it wasn't the american way. it meant everything in myung life. >> it means everything for me to be here. >> i thank you. >> let's have lunch. >> let's do that. >> thank you very much. thank you so much. up next, your moment of maxine.
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election. more importantly, i'm an effective legislator. >> republicans are once again running every election in the country against one single opponent, house minority leader nancy pelosi. she seems unbothered and highly optimistic about the democrat's chance of taking the house. are her house colleagues just as confident? well, we're going to give you your moment of maxine. that's what we do. congresswoman maxine waters of california. i don't know if you can hear, there's a cheering section for you here, congresswoman, they love you. >> wow. wow. >> yes. yes. absolutely. i think is hasting's district. you are joint congress people. thank you for being here. let's talk about this upcoming race. how optimistic are you that the democrats will control the house after this tuesday? >> well, i am pretty much optimistic. we have great candidates. everyone has been working very
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hard to raise a lot of money. our candidates have been great on the issues and it looks good so i am optimistic and i'm very he hopeful and i think this country deserves a change and i think we can elect the kind of leaders that will take this country in the right direction. >> david jolly, former republican congressman, former republican, he said earlier on this show that the message of the other party, of the republican party, is about the caravan and about you and that donald trump is directing a campaign against you personally to try to encourage more republican votes. >> it is absolutely true. the president of the united states of america is placing a target on my back and he keeps calling my name and lying about me in order to make the target work. so i'm not intimidated by it, but i know what he's doing so i
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just continue to do what i do, to call it like it is, to speak truth to power and i want you to know that the american people in the final analysis will understand how divisive this president is, how dangerous he is, and how he is pitting us against each other so i know that he's going to call maxine waters every time that he is in one of these rallies, but you know my classmates from st. louis, missouri, who i went to school with years ago can't believe that the president of the united states of america is focused on this woman who was a little girl raised up in st. louis, missouri. one of 13 people who lived in poverty, who worked very hard, started working when she was 13 years old in a segregated restaurant can now be the focus of the president of the united states of america. so i'm getting calls from all over. >> well, he might know that you would become the chair of the financial services committee and
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maybe subpoena his tax returns. i think that might have something to do with it, a little bit, and you calling out on the russia investigation so much. i would be remiss if i didn't ask, this is the first interview i've seen with you since the threats that you received and about 15 we know threats from a floridian, an extremist, a very fervent trump fan who send mail bombs to multiple democrats, chairman pelosi -- leader pelosi and others. in this kind of a climate where speech can actually produce violence, how do you respond to that? how do you live with that and how do you respond to it? >> well, first of all, i think that what has happened with the targeting of individuals who have basically been opposed to this president should tell the president about what is going on. all of us who are targeted are
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simply saying that the president of the united states is taking this country in the wrong direction, that it is dangerous, that it is divisive and he continues to dog whistle to his constituency out there. he's promoting violence. i'm accustomed to being threatened. we have had at least one individual indicted who threatened to kill me. i have many threats to kill me from different places in this country so i'm accustomed to being threatened and while i am not foolish, i'm wise enough to understand that i need to have some security, particularly in various circumstances. i'm not afraid. and i'm not intimidated and he cannot stop me. i'm going to continue to talk about how he has defined himself as this divisive and dangerous man that's running this country and i think in the final analysis after it's all over that the american people are going to understand that we
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deserve better than this. he does not have good values and does not care about anybody but himself. i'm comfortable with the fact that he has the target on my back. i'm threatening him. i will continue to do my work and i about r will not back down for one second. >> congresswoman, if you should become the chair of the my nansal services committee in the house, are you going to subpoena his tax returns? >> if i am the chair, which i deserve to be, i've served on the committee long enough to have the most experience and i have the support of my colleagues, i'm going to do credible work, which includes not only dealing with the biggest financial institutions in this country, the banks, et cetera, making sure that we never have another meltdown the way that we had in 2008 where so many homes were foreclosed on,
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i'm going to be about housing and making sure that we do everything that we can to have affordable housing because there's a crisis in this country. i'm going to support my colleagues in attempting to make sure that we support obamacare or the aca and health care for everybody and i will continue some of the work that i started in looking at banks that money launder, that launder money, and that is like deutsch bank. the president has had some involvement, a lot of involvement with deutsch bank. for example, they're the only bank that will lend money to him. none of the other banks will give him credit because of the way he has not really conducted himself to repay the loans that he's been involved in. >> right. >> and the lawsuits that he's done to avoid paying them. so deutsch bank is on my -- on my radar screen because we have requested information from the treasurer about deutsch bank and money laundering.
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so i'll be credible in doing my work. he is not the only thing that i am concerned about in that committee. all of the other things that i have eluded to are on my radar screen also. >> i think they've all been put on notice. congresswoman maxine waters, thank you for spending some of your sunday with us. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. have a wonderful day. coming up, some very special guests join me live. we're going to the crowd here in florida. introducing fidelity stock and bond index funds with lower expense ratios than comparable vanguard funds.
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we have been having people coming in all morning. there are able five people in line going in and voting. we are seeing a turn out for the area. this is the heartbeat of barbara county and we are seeing them turn out. >> i work on sundays sometimes i have to bring my pastor to me. our reverend here in fort lauderdale, are your constituents focused on this election in voting. >> yes, we are doing all we can. our church, we are fully engaged in the process. >> we are working hard to get as many people out and encouraged our people to call and at least to go and vote or get someone to vote, get your friends or enemies. all everybody to vote. >> call people that owe you money. >> if the pastor is here --and the first lady is here. and the key members are here, it is church taking place this morning.
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>> and the choir is here. >> the choir is also here. we want to make sure people are getting saved as well. i want to thank the african-american research library. thank you so much for having us first of all. how are the lines looking in there? >> steady stream. i think we doubled the numbers of the last midterm elections. >> when it comes to knowing what the polls of the african-american community of south florida, there is only one person to go to. this is james t. thomas. my mentor. i have to talk to james this morning. when people talk back to you of the radio of what matters to them, what are they telling isn't it true. >> what matters is getting everyone out to vote. what's going to really matter is after tuesday. what are we going to do in our communities and how are we getting into group economics and better group activities.
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this is our job after we vote to get those people in office to do what we need done so our communities can flourish. it has been a weird time. the race is economics. we can say it is about black and white. it is about economics, ownership and business at the community. today is a great opportunity for us and not to just vote but to vote in groups. >> i want to come back to john smith. do people feel and heard by politics. as >> when they look at the complaints we have had, not having enough healthcare or minimum wage is too low. when they talk about those promises they have, we admire them that it is the politicians that make those choices. you have to tie it back to the bread and butter issues.
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we have to tie back and let them know does the politician make those decisions? >> are the churches engaged? >> the same thing. they are affected by that and all of this. for us it is a serious issue for us to make sure we have the right people in place and they are accountable. >> how many people here voted early. >> how many people volunteered? y'all are excited to vote? >> yes, yes. >> one of my little dreams have always had a choir on "am joy." here is this would feel choir, we'll let them sing them out and giving us the encouragement message. go for it. ♪ we are in trouble ♪ he gives me our souls
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