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all the money in the world was no match for the good people of texas. >> so [ bleep ] proud of you guys. >> i will be out there fighting with you. i am not going away. >> i applied for the job, but i got a rejection letter here. >> i will have the blessing of serving as if next governor of the state of florida. >> and i know that you've put your faith in me and you'll do it again. >> we are tough, reresilient and when the troops are down, we stick together. >> the worst thing would be to never run at all. >> we will never yield the hallowed ground of patriotism to the extremists if the statehouse
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and in the white house. >> god bless our great country. let's get to work. >> together we can organize around the politics of hope. >> i commit to devote my heart, my mind, and my energy. >> i'm back and here i am. >> i end this in a way that i've been filled up so much more by you. >> we are just getting started. >> if we are going to turn this ship around as a country, it is not good enough to throw a rock at our neighbor's yard. we need to clean up our own house. >> today is more than about democrats and republicans. it's about restoring the constitution's checks and balances to the trump administration. ♪
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>> and here is the bottom line. democrats are returning to power on clip. they won control of the house, yet appear to have lost ground in the senate. at last check, democrats gained 28 seats in the house. that amounts to an estimated 230 seat majority to the republicans' 20 5 with democrats powered by women winning from coast to coast. and while democrats gained a senate seat in nevada, they fell short in several trump voting states with beto o'rourke whose senate campaign broke fund-raising records falling to ted cruise in texas. and in florida, too close to call. bill nelson trailing republican governor rick scott at this o'hare. a heartbreaker for democrats in that state with the loss of tallahassee mayor andrew gillum
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whose surprise victory last august rocketed him to national stardom. another top figure of this cycle, georgia's stacey abrams fights on in hopes of a runoff. however, it was a good night for democrats, a very good night, flipping seven governor's mansions around the country. more on that later. overall, democrats lost senators in indiana, missouri, north dakota and possibly more with monday too close to call. the president was relatively quiet, tweeting tremendous success tonight, thank you to all. >> did he leave his address for the subpoenas to be delivered? >> they can just go to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> if that is a tremendous nice that the democrats in one day can say we're going to subpoena your tax records and on tuesday donald trump has to turn them over, i think he's setting the back low. >>. >> it was a tremendous night.
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later he tweeted that his position with runs improves because in his eyes they owe him their political career. however, the president reached out to the leader in the house to congratulate nancy pelosi after watching her victory speech. >> e.pleuribus unum, from every one. the founders could never have imagined how many we would be, how different we would be if from each other, but they knew we had to be one. unity. unity for our tun. >> good morning. and welcome to "morning joe" life from historic studio 8a in rockefeller center. we have joe, me, john heilman,
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kasie hunt. we've all been up all night. willie, nice job bringing us through the night. what a night. >> and it reminds me of watching your favorite baseball teamer or basketball team that if you're a democrat, they're losing all night. this isn't going well. all of your stars that you thought were going the to win the game for you you go down with a twisted ankle with, a brokenen arm. you name it, all the people that the democrats attached their emotional heart strings to for a year and a half all went down. let me tell you something, at the end of the night, this is what the headline reads the next morning. and that is that your team wins. because, willie, the race at the end of the day that mattered the most were were those races in the house, mattered the most to donald trump, mattered the most
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to republicans on the hill because now they have the power to investigate, they have the power to subpoena, and most importantly, they actually are going to be able to return checks and balances to washington. because at the end of the day, the big headline is the end of one-party rule in washington. that's the headline. >> that is the journey for everyone last night. beto o'rourke, stacey abrams, they started to lose. but then you're right, all those house seats, all the ones in virginia, all the ones into california at the end of the night, flipping, turning, going the way of the democrats. and today the rock stars will be nancy pelosi, elijah cummings, jerry nadler. they will become in january chairs of the committees that will start pushing back on
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the president. lft last night they were pushing back saying we are here to put pressure on the presidents of the united states. it's coming for president trump. >> and john heilman, you're going to hear spin from both sides saying it was a push. republicans win, democrats win and yes, republicans outperformed in the reddest of red states. they still lost west virginia. monday is still close. but let's just strip it down to the bare hessentials. let's count up the votes in these house races. and as of right now, democrats will have outperformed in the house races in 2018 will have outperformed the tea part in 2010 that was supposed the to be such a shock tidal wave for
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republicans. in 2018, republicans won by 7 percentage points. democrats won, eight years later, by 7 points. the difference, gerrymandering and even that got taken care of in a lot of big states last night. >> you made the correct point. it is the case that donald trump has had a very short political career. it's been less than two years. but it feels like a little longer. >> yes. >> but in that period of time, he has operated without any effective restraint on his agenda, other than the courts occasionally, but in terms of the way that the national government works, he's had republicans in the senate, republicans in the house. now for the first time in january, in his political career, he will have an effective opposition party that will be able to thwart his
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agenda, that will be able to stand in front of anything he wants to get done on the domestic front, on foreign policy and the subpoena power is huge, not just for donald trump himself, but for every cabinet member. >> if you're ross, you're nervous this morning. if you're zeke, you're nervous this morning. the only reason they are still in office is because republicans aggregated their constitutional responsibility. there were no checks and balances. that is over >> the message to every trump cabinet secretary this morning is lawyer up. that is starting in january, that's what's going to be happening. and it's a huge tectonic shift. there's a lot of other caveats to that. we'll talk about them all morning, but that is the headline and that is the biggest story. >> that is it right there. >> and mike barnacle, let's just be definitive on -- what's
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today? >> let's call it the 7th. >> let's just be definitive on november 7th, 2018. trump, the donald trump we saw for the first two years of his presidency, that is over. that is done. that approach is buried because if he continues to go that way, he will never pass another piece of legislation on capitol hill. he will be stop dead in his tracks now and forever more unless he changes. and we all, of course, don't think he's capable of changing. so it will be a believe now years for donald trump if he continues to operate the way he has in '17 and '18. >> i would bet you knowing what we know about donald trump and what we know about his presidency so far that he is unphased by the results of the democrats winning the house, that he looked forward to a
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continued fight. he's a brawler. but one of the more interesting aspects of last night's results was the trump victories bringing specific people into the united states senate, defeating a couple of major all-stars as you indicated for governor, democrats who lost, is the demographics of last night. trump's republican party is getting increasingly older, increasingly whiter, in other words, getting closer to life support. >> they got wiped out in the suburbs. that is -- i became a republican growing up in the suburbs in middle america. that's where the republican party's new majority came in the '70s and '80s and '90s. >> it's gone. >> if you take a photograph, a
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family photograph of the democratic party today, included the winners of last night's congressional seats, many of them women, that's the photograph of today and that's a much more encouraging photograph to look at if you're a democrat. >> so, kasie, can we give a word of warning to bloggers on the left thouis morning? >> sure. >> because one of the dumbest things i've seen the last few months, let's abolish the senate. there can be no real checks and balances until we abolish the senate, man. let me tell you something, when they stop smoking their weed or when they get out of -- >> hey, hey, hey. >> they can smoke legally in michigan now. >> not that there's anything wrong with that for you -- >> there's a lot wrong with it. >> but for my children, there's a lot wrong with it. but it is such a critical point. and it's what i say all the time. there's always an ebb and flow
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in american politics. guess what? this year it was democrats on the defensive. but anybody, after they put down their bag of cheetos, if they look at the 2020 map, it is brutal in the senate for republicans and, in that case, the republicans are going to be facing as much of an uphill fight two years from now as democrats faced last night. >> it's the bottom line. >> it's absolutely true. absolutely true, joe. you mentioned the rock stars at the top who lost, beto o'rourke, stac stacey abrams. democrats are going to try to run for president in that same mold. i think the lesson is that where democrats run last night was across the heartland in pragmatic mayss with candidates who ran fitting their communities as moderates, the governor of michigan, for example, and that is still their path back to the presidency. i think that will be a huge battle in the democratic party. >> did you notice the athletes
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as brother buen cannon would say, he talked about political athletes. did you notice those women who were winning? >> yes. >> they served the country. they were in the heart of their community. the people that won, either the recruitment on or the people that decided to jump in with themselves, political athletes won. there is a reason why joe manchin won. >> and women, a historic number. over 100 women in the u.s. congress for the first time in history. and that is because of donald trump. >> that is -- that is the trump effect. >> women are so fed up and they realize ultimately they have to step up and do things for themselves. no one is going to do it for them and, in fact, they did this time around. let's get to the exit polls. >> i would submit beto o'rourke did not lose last night.
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>> well, i get that. we'll talk about that more. >> now, mike, that doesn't seem like you. you don't seem like everybody that competes gets a trophy kind of guy. >> but he's still not the ted cruz killer. >> of course we're not talking literally, politically, figuratively. >> exit polls show health care to be the most important issue for voters nationwide. 23% said immigration is the most important issue. 10% said gun policy. 45% of voters nationwide approve of how donald trump is handling his job as president. 26% of voters said one reason for their vote today was to express support for donald trump.
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33% said trump was not a factor in their vote. >> so, willie, we've talked about democrats getting a big win. there is a lot for democrats to be excited about. not quite as much for republicans because i think most people thought they were going to maintain the senate. but still, they won have really big races. but i have to say, i think we all have to be really honest this morning. a lot of americans decided to go out and vote. we saw it there. to support a man who spent the last month of the campaign not making subtle appeals to racism, but making overtly bigoted racist statements, attacking brown people, attacking people who were the others. and you could look at the lies.
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again, this is -- what was he lying about? the answer? everything. and i do sit here this morning and i do wonder how do you exactly square that in your mind that you you went out specifically to support a guy that gained the praise of david duke, that gained the praise of white nationalists. >> we had a professor on from princeton and his early reaction last night was i can't believe that many people voted the other way. he made the exact point that you're making. i can't believe people, knowing what they know, supported what they heard. and we've talked about this the same way -- remember that middle class tax cut that was going to be done before election day and it went away? >> he lied about that. >> i will be very interested to
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see if the caravan goes away. >> right. because it was a fabricated controversy or a fabricated threat. >> not until the fall of 2020 when there will be an ebola caravan. >> his closing argument was based on a lie. >> on hatred. >> hatred, racist and a lie. there was a caravan coming and there were middle easterners in there. >> with leprosy and small pox. >> they're laughing because it's so stupid. i feel like talking about the martians coming to steal my dog's poop in the backyard. >> you have to look out for these. >> it's just as fact based as it is that there are migrants coming up with leprosy and small pox. and yet people voted for that.
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>> here is the thing. this is just as much of a foreshadowing of what we're about to go to. we talked about what the real story is, right? let's put that aside for a second and think about what is in donald trump's head which is always a we're speculative business to be in. donald trump is waking up saying all of y'all told me i couldn't campaign, you shouldn't close on fear and xenophobia and racism. and what donald trump looks at is he says i was focused on the united states senate and i have an enhanced majority in the united states senate -- >> by the way, those are not your drugs. there is a squeal going on in that camera. >> i'm always hearing that. >> that's an actual squeal. but the reality is, he wakes.up and he says here is the
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punishment i suffered. i got enhanced majority in the united states senate. the african-americans everyone was focused on all lost. what's the price i paid? we would all say you lost the house, whatever. but trump is walking around in his head saying i won these senate races. >> everywhere he traveled were safe, red, hot republican zones and donald trump could go back, he could listen to what we were saying on this show for the past month, he could read the "new york times," he could listen to the analysts at krn, and they all said the same thing. everything efbs saying over the last month was going to crush republican candidates in those suburban districts. he did those things. you bring sean hannity and rush
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limbaugh up on stage -- >> there three horsemen of the apocalypse. >> yes. that's going to rev up your base. but guess what? barbara comstock, there was nothing she could do because he made sure that she lost, that brat lost, that all of these republicans lost across america. >> let's look at missouri. claire mccaskill losing the senate race, but there's a critical house district in suburban areas that went for a woman. but republicans and democrats, i was in such with a wide group of sources. but they agreed that what trump did in the end actually works. one republican said there is still a silent majority that
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respond. >> where did it work.? >> they think it worked in getting the numbers that they needed in these sidewide races. it kept gillum from whipping in florida, kept brian kemp in georgia. but in those kinds of ways, there was still a statement that the president helped close at the end. >> i'm not being difficult, but i just don't buy that from them. donald trump helped republican candidates in the backyard. in states that he won by 20 points, in states where it was going to be a breeze, anyway. the only exception to that was the state of florida, which i think we all have to say is the one swing state that is still donald trump's state. >> this is why i go back to my quick point which is if trump believes he did not pay a price, all i'm saying about that is we
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could argue with him and we are probably right. but here is the thing. in terms of the ugliness we're about to see, he's going to take from this affirmation. so if you think this was ugly, it's just going to get worse over the next two years. >> guess what, mika? >> yes? >> here is the thing. let's realize it for the first time in two years -- >> trump is finally accountable. >> that is not what i was going to say. think about this. we wake up this morning and for the first time in two years, it doesn't matter what donald trump thinks. you know why? because he doesn't have a subservient house and senate any more.
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this is how radically our world has changed. donald trump can think whatever donald trump wants to think. but now he has to figure out how to merge that with what nancy pelosi thinks, what democrats in the house think, what democrats in still midwest states are thinking. and he has to look at kansas opinion he h. he has to look at a house race in oklahoma. and he can think what he wants to think. the reality actually is radically different. >> it is a very different reality. and i think that you can't really look at the people who vote and make judgments about a person who lies to them repeatedly and wonder what's wrong with them. he challenged the belief in the free press. he was completely unchecked every step of the way. nobody in his administration
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publicly staepd publicly stepped up to him. everybody was complicit on the republican side. that all stops now. >> but are we continually trying to make the mistake of trying to judge trump's achievements and failures? this is not a normal presidency. >> no, it is not. >> he did not wake up this morning think about the guy i stood up for in florida won and this guy won. he wop woke up this morning thig only about himself. he regards the republican party as his run. >> it is. >> and he regards this as his america. >> it's not. >> and he's going to continue to fight every day. that's who he is. >> that is fine by, again, there's a reason i have always talked about madis on onian democracy, checks and balances.
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devin nunes is not going to be his boy on capitol hill any more. and all the things that paul ryan allowed him to get away with, that he shamed his legacy for, that saul over. so donald trump can think what you wants to think. but now we see how the u.s. constitution works with somebody who doesn't respect constitutional norms, somebody who wants to breach constitutional norms every day and wants to ignore checks and balances. >> go to the tweet desk. >> and instead of yelling into the void and tweeting about things democrats can have a say and stop these things. >> the president tweeted moments ago, after a brief nap, he writes, received so many congratulations from so many on our big victory last night. including from foreign nations
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that were waiting me out and hoping, on trade deals. now we can all get back to work and get things done. >> oh, that's cute. >> why big victory is capitalized and why is trade deals capitalized? >> maybe they didn't teach -- >> we have to go to a break. >> one thing that donald trump is going to have to change under this new reality is remember nancy pelosi went to dinner at the white house and said, hey, do women get to talk around here? he's going to have to let her talk. donald trump is going to have to listen to a woman in power and i think that will be a fascinating dynamic. >> yep. quite fascinating. >> you know who else he's going to have to listen to? >> who else? >> elijah coupling. >> elijah is going to have a few questions for him. he just has a few questions and all the president has to do is now answer them. he has to. >> by the way, bob mueller, the
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. welcome back. he's still there. >> he's still there? >> he's -- yes. >> he's still there. that's not healthy. >> i think there's a lot of coffee involved. he's adore ble. is this man not the cutest thing you've ever seen? still camped out at the big board, national political correspondent or your favorite crazy science teacher, steve kornacki. steve, what is still left undecided this morning? where do we stand? >> there's been a lot of activity overnight. some of these key races are still counting votes. on the senate side, a big outstanding race here in montana. john tester trying to hold off matt rosendale. right now, the gap stands at 1,558 votes operaseparating the of them. the good news for jon tester,
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the good news for su the vote that is still remaining, only about 83% here in cascade county. you go down here, this is sort of the boseman area. only about 80% in right here. it's the bigger democratic areas. i think the biggest one, actually, would be -- i thought i hit missoula. only three quarters of the vote in there. big democratic county. so t the tefit is the big teste that have come in there. not a lot of republican area, really, that is left here. the other outstanding senate race right now we're keeping an eye on is in arizona. if this will actually load up on the screen, martha mcsally with a 15,000 vote advantage right now over sinema. there's still a couple hundred thousand votes to be counted. we're in the election-day vote,
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which is being tabulated now. mcsally seems to have done better. and down here, this is simena leading here. but that election day vote possibly in the maricopa county, which is 60% of the state, that could be key. the other issue is the governor's race in georgia. they're counting absentee ballots right now. will the breakdown be enough to pull kemp over 50%? if that happened, if that gets to 49.9, that race heads to a runoff. there is also the outstanding question of this senate race in florida where you see rick scott right now, 34,000 vote advantage over nelson. you can see that is .4 of a percent. the state law in florida, if it's under half a percent, .5, automatic recount. i think there's some votes remain to go be counted here.
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>> so, steve, we were following you all last night. and i had was fascinating. republicans seemed to be doing fairley well for the first couple of hours, but then virginia started breaking. a couple of actual surprises coming out of virginia. and, of course, you saw the northeast going heavy. i'm wondering, as you have done the deep dive in all of the states, all of the districts, what was your big take away last night? is this now -- with the exception of, say, joe manchion and jon tester, with the exception of a couple of candidates, is this now a country that the we can predict how they're going to vote based on just the density of the population, that if if you're in a rural area, you're going red. if you're in an urban area or a suburban area, you're voting blue. >> yeah. i think not entirely, yes, but more than ever. and i think you guys were thinking about about this
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earlier. let me show you one of the charts we put together here. broadly speaking, these were all of the democratic targets. you see a patch work here. but here is one particular kind of district the democrats had their eyes on last night and, still, these are districts that republicans held, but that hillary clinton won in the 2016 presidential election. and check this out. look at all the blue you see. 14 right now. 14 of the 25 republican-held districts that clinton won, they have now said it's not just trump we didn't like about the republican party. it's anybody else who is associated with it and they are now throwing out republicans, opting to elect democrats. and by the way, you see there's six here in california yet to be decided. so the bulk of those clinton gop
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districts, one of the issues was they didn't like trump. are they going to take it out on the republican party? yes, you're seeing it here. >> and how did dana roherbacher do? >> keep in mind, it will take some time for the officials to do in california. and when i say some time, i mean weeks. harley rouda leading rohrabacher. and the tendency in california, we did see this in that top two primary in june took a couple of weeks for the results to come in. the tendency is those later votes do tend to be a little more democratic than republican so that might bode well for the democrats there and in these other district necessary californ -- districts in california. >> can we just marvel at steve kornacki. first of all, he's been.up for
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two days and he's still bringing the thunder. but also, the ability he has to touch a map and tell the county and its population and how they've voted, this guy is on a different level. >> he's rainman. >> your 10-year-old son said as he was watching -- >> are you going to do this? >> he said i don't think steve kornacki does anything else in his life. so we'll have to show some other dimensions in his life. >> he did call and he's like like, i don't know if steve kornacki can do anything else in his life. >> can i test it? >> sure. >> steve, tell me about california 25, the place where when my father was still alive, it was his district, has been republican forever, katie hill was a promising democratic challenger in that race.
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where do we stand on that? >> yeah. steve knight, the last republican left there white sox l.a. county. steve knight trailing right now. and, again, this is just what i said a minute ago. and the idea here that that late arriving vote, remember, comes through the mail, takes days to get there, takes weeks to count that does tend to paver the democrats. so if you've seen this kind of vote come in, that probably bodes better for hill than it does for knight at this time. this is one of those clinton districts. >> but, joe, the thing you were talking about about in the previous block, that's a classic kind of district. suburban, moderate, republican district forever. that went for clinton in 2016 and now looks like it could flip over. it's like an archtypal kind of thing. >> you don't want to start
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talking about how things are going to be in two years, but if vegas were doing odds right now, they will look at the map, they would look at democrats picking up this majority. they would look at the senate the way it has tilted it two years from now and massively in favor of democrats. they would understand there would be a higher turnout in favor of the election year. and i'll tell you right now, save the tape. unless there's an independent candidate in 2020, there's no reason why 2020 structurally shouldn't be shaping up to be a massive year for democrats if they do a better job than they've done over the past ten ragz. generation. >> there is another way to look at the map, though. the massive amount of red in that map, you're looking at two parties, one is coastal, one is urban and suburban and the other is rural and conservative. >> this is a test. this is a test for democrats.
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can they start winning in middle america again? can they find the sams that can start winning in middle america again? i think they can and i think you have some house candidates that are start to go break through there that can become senate candidates. >> and steve kornacki, you're amazing. it's incredible what you have, the knowledge of this and sort of like joe with useless information. coming up, where turnout was insane. plus, the races that emerged as bellwethers for the rest of the nation. "morning joe" is back in a moment. - meet the ninja foodi, the pressure cooker that crisps,
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i guess i'd say in shortest, shortest form, swear an allegiance to the institution and we pledge allegiance to the flag. what was weird about this race that i've never experienced before in any race that i've been a part of was an allegiance question where people say are you for or against the president. i've never before had a question
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of allegiance to a person rather than allegiance to the flag and the constitution and to a degree, that's what this race came down to. >> so what is your political advice to republicans running this fall about how to handle donald trump? >> the politics are easy. pledge allegiance to donald trump. but i think that's a mistake at a soul level. >> congressman mark sanford on "morning joe" earlier this year with his advice on republicans to win the midterms. in south carolina's first district, democrat joe cunningham defeated republican state represent katie arrington for sanford's seat. arrington ran on a heavy pro trump seat. >> again, in south carolina, in red, hot south carolina.
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>> sanford lost the gop primary after president trump aligned himself with arrington. joining us now, historian, author of "the soul of america," and john meachum. >> anchor down. >> he's an msnbc contributor. >> i had no idea until i was speak to go some people in the mris publishing business, did you know that the soul of america has sold more copies than every britney spears downloads? >> wow. >> okay. >> i don' >> do you know who common is? >> i don't. >> i'll tell you later. >> and also with us, alesse jordan and house editor for the cook political report, david wasserman. we've been following your analysis all week long.
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what's the bottom line this morning? >> look, i wasn't expecting some of the upsets we had. i think it was night of contradictions. democrats won a seat in oklahoma city. i was having lunch -- i was interviewing the democratic county in charleston last week and our server came up to the table and she said i'm a conservative republican but i'm voting for you because of offshore drilling. we can't have that. but at the same time, he's like a country -- >> like a music star. >> yeah. he went back to the kitchen afterwards. he was getting high fives from the kitchen staff and the chef and everything. but look, democrats couldn't break through in terms of their next generation of stacey abrams and beto o'rourke and andrew gillum. so some of the stars on the democratic side in the house, the names that america is going to get to know are people like abigail spanberger, alicia
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slotberg in michigan. some of the women who came into the house with national security experience, who broke through. yesterday was the first day in american history that american . >> this is where women, elise, i think in the age of trump stepped up and said i'm not going to depend on other people to do things for me anymore, i'm doing it for myself. >> and that's progress. you didn't see on the republican side of the aisle as many women putting themselves forward for office, be it candidate recruitment or they just aren't going to hitch their wagon to the republican party in the era of donald trump. >> i know a lot of republican women who voted democrat in this election for the first time in their life just to put a check on this presidency. >> and historic women it should be pointed out. the first two muslim women elected to congress, one in michigan, one in minnesota, the first native american elected to congress. so they were women, but they were young women by and large and some of them were historic
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women. >> you know, jon, mika gets really tired of me talking about the ebb and flow of american politics and she certainly said it a million times, karl rove talked of a permanent republican majority in 2004, nancy pelosi speaker of the house in 2006. barack obama in all of his fans talking about this coalition of the ascendancy, a permanent democratic majority, the tea party rides into town two years later, the tea party says this is our place, obama wins reelection. you can keep going and going. we've had the same thing happen here again, like it always does, but i think the most remarkable story is actually what we just heard and that is the trump effect as seen by historians will be that the reaction, the counterreaction to donald trump and his misogyny from ""access hollywood"" forward landed over
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100 women in the united states congress for the first time in american history. that at the end is the trump effect. >> trump's election itself is a reaction to obama and the clear nature of what obama's america is going to look like. my own view is that 20 years from now this is barack obama's america, it's not donald trump's. what you saw yesterday -- >> by the way, that's not wishful thinking. that is not wirgfshful thinking that's like predicting it's going to get colder in february. this is the direction we are heading and it also the coalition of 2008, not the coalition of 2016. >> exactly. but it's going to take a while to get there and once we're there it's not going to be some kingdom of heaven where there's one party rule and we all dwell in sweetness and light. since 18 -- i know willie would
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like that. from 1820 was the last time we had -- >> here we go. here we go. >> sorry. >> here we go. >> we had three two-term presidents, rights, same party, jefferson, madison, monroe. then we went to roosevelt and truman before we had that again and the only other time we have had it was reagan and bush for 12 years. there's an equilibrium in american politics, we bounce from guardrail to guardrail and that's going to continue. >> let me ask you this, you've said for quite some time that you believed and i believe that the two-party duopoly that has controlled this country since abraham lincoln was elected in 1861 will come to an end and i believe that, but you look at a map from last night, it seems to be getting darker red in some spots and darker blue in others and i wonder are we closer to that now? are we moving further away from an incompete an independent president and senate. >> it's incredibly difficult to
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have a third person, we have always divided into two. patriot versus torrey, federalist versus anti-federalist, north versus south, republican versus democrat, now dump versus notru normal people. i think it will be hard to have a third-party president. i think one of the parties reconfigures itself so radically that an incompeteindependent pe the embodiment of that party. >> willie. >> i'm just looking here. sarah sanders the press secretary in the white house stated the president will hold a press conference at 11:30 in the east room of the white house. >> i would say preempt everything and put out the tax returns. why not? that's a great idea. >> he might as well. i'm wondering what state for you last night was the one that really told the tale? was it virginia? >> virginia was the first sign for us that the house was going
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to flip. the richmond suburbs, virginia beach, those districts, but if you told me everything else about the night except for florida, i would have thought that florida would have gone blue. look, i think the republican party after last night is going to be a more trump-centric party. the people who lost on the republican side last night were the moderate republicans in the house. we will not have senators until the senate named mccain or flake or corker in 2019, but we will have kevin cramer from north dakota who chaired his campaign estate, marsha blackburn from tennessee. mean while, the democrats face this divide amongst their own party between the incoming freshmen who are predominantly who ran on healthcare and the people who are going to become committee chairs who each have a list of 90 things they want to investigate. >> you talked about florida. elise, i do think the democrats and people that are running against donald trump need to
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realize pennsylvania has gone blue and wisconsin has gone blue. there are a lot of trump states that have gone blue, but florida is seen by people in that state as donald trump's home state. i mean, it's the one swing state that he seems to still have the advantage in. >> and it seems to have solidified. it didn't matter the young voting registration that the parkland kids did. i mean, it did matter, but it didn't pull it over the finish line and i know that that has to be incredibly demoralizing that now the governor who was elected is a huge nra stalwart. >> david wasserman, thank you very much. >> great work. >> jon meacham and elise dwrorden thank you both as well. coming up, one-party rule is over in washington with democrats taking the house, providing a much needed check on the president, but with divided government could come more gridlock. we will discuss the chances of
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actually getting anything done. this special edition of "morning joe" live from historic study 8h back in a moment. green book is the feel
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good movie of the year. tell me that don't smell good. i've never had fried chicken in my life. you people love the fried chicken. you have a very narrow assessment of me tony. yeah right. i'm good.
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i want to give a victory speech on the evening of election day, which is coming up very quickly. a vote for morrisey is a vote for me. >> a vote for marcia is really a vote for me. >> i'm not on the ballot, but in a certain way i'm on the ballot, so please go out and vote. >> and a vote for cindy is a vote for me. >> and a vote for steve is a vote for me. >> remember this, a vote for david is a vote for me and our agenda to make america great again. donald trump made it clear that he was on the ballot in the
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midterms and yesterday voters agreed. some voted for him, some voted against him. but it was clearly all about him and now -- >> boy, it looks like -- >> -- it's a check on him. >> looks like a lot more people voted against him than for him, especially in the house races, which obviously the people's house, actually democrats had a bigger margin of victory than the tea party did in 2010. >> we're going to go through it. >> that's a pretty remarkable rejection of the president. >> some interesting results last night, somewhat convoluted. >> i'd feel bad about that. if i were the president i would feel badly that he wasn't around saying the election was all about him, but actually democrats did better last night in the house races than the tea party. remember that tea party revolution? >> i remember that. i was there. >> because we talked about that revolution for a decade it seems and it hasn't even been a decade.
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willie, it's almost 8%. and another thing happened last night, too, with democrats picking up some important gubernatorial seats. redistricting in 2020 is not going to be as rigged as it was in 2010. >> i got some pickups for you for democrats. pickups in illinois. >> yeah. >> and these are the biggest states. >> illinois, cast. >> wow. >> new mexico, michigan and how about wisconsin. scott walker goes down last night. >> wow. >> well, here is the bottom line, some call it a split decision, but here it is, democrats are returning to power on capitol hill. they won control of the house. >> and the power to investigate and the power of the subpoena. >> the subpoena. >> and the power to actually finally get ahold of donald trump's tax records. >> and there are a lot of questions that need to be answered and now they will be. they will be answered. which is, i think, at this point something that everyone is anxious for.
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>> the republicans also, though, there were some republican surprises. they won some pretty big races in florida, i don't think anybody expected desantis to win. >> that is for sure. >> i don't think many people expected -- >> beto o'rourke lost. >> that was a close race and a lot of bloggers were mocking beto a week ago. i have a friend that's always in contact with ted cruz's people. they went dark yesterday. >> they were nervous. >> they didn't know if they were going to survive. they did. >> at last check democrats have gained 28 seats in the house. that amounts to an estimated 230 seat majority to the republicans 205, with democrats powered by women winning from coast to coast. and while democrats gained a senate seat in nevada, they fell short in several trump voting states with beto o'rourke whose senate campaign broke if you know raising records falling to ted cruz in texas. >> can we stop right there for a second. keep that up for a second.
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if you had told somebody, michael steele, two years ago that ted cruz would squeak out a victory by 3 percentage points in the state of texas, would you have been surprised? >> a little bit. >> but did this show that texas really is going purple? >> that's the thing a lot of people overlook about texas. texas has been slowly -- democrats have been quietly and very effectively winning on the ground in texas. they've been winning at city council races, mayors races across texas and slowly building the kind of momentum that you saw play out last night. >> and one of my big surprises, willie, was from last night, and i guess he was on the watch list, but pete sessions, a guy i came into congress with in '94, he was well liked, he was popular, he was from a dallas suburb. there's really no reason that he should have lost. in fact, he even -- he ran the nrcc, as you know.
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pete was well liked, popular guy, he was a powerful guy, but he unfortunately was in the dallas suburbs and, man, the dallas suburbs which you -- i mean, that's george bush's home. that's w.'s home. >> that's how it's changed. >> man, that has turned democratic in a huge way. >> an 11-term congressman, a leader in the party, but we watched that suburban trend happen over the course of the night. it started on the east coast, started in virginia in 7 and 10, in the richmond suburbs, the d.c. suburbs and just moved west to cincinnati and all the way out to california later on in the evening. but that's where the ground was made up for democrats in the house was in those suburban districts that may have tested the waters on trump in 2016 and not last night. >> and do you know what dave brett learned last night? he learned that you can try to tie nancy pelosi around your opponent's name, but if your opponent knows how to push back -- >> yes.
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>> -- you lose the race. >> yeah, can i feel croak dial tears for dave brat. i'm so, so sorry that happened to him. but he's gone. you mentioned new mexico, the governor's race. first time a woman governor hands over power to another woman governor. the first time we've had successive women governors. >> let's move on with results on the bubble, the florida senate race too close to call, bill nelson trailing republican governor rick scott at this hour. a heartbreaker for democrats in that state with the loss of tallahassee mayor andrew gillum whose surprise victory in the democratic primary last august rocketed him to national stardom. the president just tweeted his congratulations to ron desantis. another top figure of this cycle, georgia's stacey a grams fights on in hopes of a runoff,
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however, as willie mentioned, it was a good night for democrats flipping seven governors' mansions around the country. overall democrats lost senators in indiana, missouri, north dakota and possibly more with montana too close to call. >> by the way, those races, indiana, missouri, north dakota, tennessee, not close. >> no. >> a lot of the polls said that three of the four were going to be close. tennessee, not close, missouri not close, indiana not close. pollsters had a pretty good night, but you look at those states, not so good. doris, you understand, you've been obviously close to lbj, you've been close to power, you've seen what it's like, what defeat is like, even though lbj was never defeated at the polls, he left the white house a defeated man, but you've seen it up close personally, too, when loved ones run for office and
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lose. this morning whether the democrats or republicans or independents, i do ache for people who went out, knocked on doors, put yard -- i will tell you there is more more exposing, nothing more revealing and i will say this next word, but it's worth it, nothing more humiliating than putting yourself out every day to be mocked, ridiculed, rejected. even people who win people that way, but for losers, people that come up a little short, democrats and republicans alike, it has to ache. >> yeah, that's what we have to think, half of the people who ran have lost and they deserve credit for having put themselves through this at a time when politics is not at the highest esteem, the idea that so many new people were willing to do this, put themselves out, women who had never run before, people who were doctors, people who are teachers who had never even been in public life before because they know at the other end is
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what we're talking about. i remember mondale asked mcgovern at one point -- not that i was there, but i've been around a long time, but i remember he asked mcgovern how long does it take before you got over it? he said i will let you know when it happens. and george bush just said it hurts. it hurts. your pride is hurt. you feel bad for your supporters, you feel bad for all the people who put it up. you are exhausted. mondale said he couldn't sleep at night. >> your family has been put out there. >> exactly. he had piles of books so he could wake up every two hours and read one of the books. jfk said you're exhausted afterwards, but it's a lot better if you win, at least if you have that you have the energy. i think we have to feel a sense of it's so good that people are still willing to enter this public system, it's what we need for politics to become honorable again and maybe the new people coming in will bring a new idealism and the people who have' been in washington for so long, it's like they've been at war for so long they don't know peace anymore. >> we had elizabeth hang from
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central california, what an extraordinary story, she put herself out, she lost, but still you just -- you look at -- >> she will be back. >> a republican like her -- yeah, she will be back. >> she will be back. >> andrew gillum will be back. there are so many people on both sides that will be back. there were great candidates on both sides. >> i was limping stening to dork and it's so true. think about the inspiration these women provided to a young girl or young women who said i can be that. i want to make a difference. you had these historic candidates whether they be first muslim candidates, first native american candidates. young women all of them. and the example that sets that it's worth it to get into the fight and to get into public service because you can do it. >> that's what's been happening, i think, under the radar perhaps. we have emily's list expanded, we have emerge, that organization that's training young women, this he see people in city council and library commissioners. the funny thing speaking of lbj he said politicians are just
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strange ducks. when you get into an election and you're having to beg down on your knees, please, vote for me to make me feel whole and you feel like just think of me like a sick relative, but i will get better until the next election comes around. >> there are exit polls that found a majority of voters do not think president trump should be impeached. 39% in our exit poll say yes he should be, 56% say no. the break down by party as you might expect 92% of democrats say yes, 78% of republicans say no. it was a major night for democrats with a voting block key to winning elections of course, independents. according to nbc news exit polls 54% of independents voted for the democratic candidate while 42% supported the republican. that's a shift from the 2016 presidential election when 46% of independents voted for donald trump and 42% voted for the democrat, and a mirror image of the results in 2014 when republicans won 54% of
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independents. >> michael steele, that's the first time ins 2008 that democrats have won independents. >> yeah, and it's a trend line that's established itself fairly early in this election. it was one of those things that was not reported a lot in the polling or folks didn't really pay attention to, but having been in this space and cobbled together the victories in 2010 to win 63 seats in the house, which, by the way, is disheartening to see it all go away. >> that's forever, though. you still get that. >> you still get that. >> you still have the heisman. >> i still have the heisman. but the fact of the matter is independent voters who typically move towards republicans, particularly in the last few weeks or month of an election, sat on the sidelines for quite a while and then started breaking towards democrats about six weeks ago. so a lot of that polling started -- sort of gave you a trend line that republicans knew was a problem for them last night. >> doris, going back to -- i
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want to talk about lbj again, my favorite subject, i always talk about the checks and balances, i always tell everybody it's going to be okay, there's an election every two years, our constitution has survived for a couple of centuries for a reason. it's happened again. >> right. >> the people have spoken, the system works, it can even stand up to a former reality tv star, but i want you to talk about just how dramatic america's ability is to check their government. somebody who is seen to have ultimate power, one of the great landslides of all time, 1964. one of the great landslides of all time, 1972, lbj and nixon. they were both seen to almost
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have ultimate unfettered power. what happened over the next two years for both of those gentlemen? >> well, certainly in 1964, huge landslide, as you're auto right. in 1966 the economy still doing well, 6.6% growth and yet there were feelings against lbj about what he was doing in vietnam, there were worries about the riots, probably worries about civil rights and voting rights which had passed and he goes way down in that 1966 mid election. then he resigns in 1968. the interesting thing about then versus now, when you didn't tell the truth as he wasn't in the war in vietnam, the credibility gap developed, you paid. there was a consequence. that's what worries me about our situation today. truth is not being told and so far no direct consequences. >> i agree with that. >> and yet, though -- >> and yet. >> and yet democrats now have the ability to investigate the truth. >> that's right. >> to subpoena. to get the truth. i mean, the american people, again, in a way more dramatic than even when they sent tea party members to washington,
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d.c. voted for the truth, voted for investigations, voted to have some transparency in the white house. >> they voted for accountability. >> checks and balances. >> answers. >> the one positive thing to think about the '60s is there were a lot more veterans who were in congress in the '60s coming from the korean world and world war ii, which meant you had people who had a common purpose and common desire to go across party lines. that's why that bipartisanship was so good in the '60s and '# 0s. we have more veterans coming in right now and i think that's a really hopeful sign because they're used to having to go across lines to get something done to get a mission to work. >> what's the approach to that, to getting to the very thing that you're talking about? i mean, i get it, i mean, the investigation you want to sal straight to have it happen, but understand the actor on the other side of that and how unpredictable he still is. what should the approach be by democrats when they get the
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gavel in january to the very things that the country wants to know about so that they don't give donald trump the edge by making himself the victim in all of that? >> i'm not nancy pelosi and nancy pelosi will never ask me what she should do, but if i were nancy pelosi or if she asked me that question i would say get policy wins. focus on policy wins. obsess over policy wins. yes, do your investigations, get the information, but that is not the lead story. >> that's it. >> you guys work quietly like mueller, but make sure that preexisting conditions are secure for working americans. see if you can't get a tax cut that doesn't just help the richest corporations in america. see if you can actually make the dreamers fix a reality. >> right. >> try to get comprehensive immigration reform, knowing that you may not get all of this, but don't lead with the investigations, lead with the
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things that will matter the most. because, you know, willie, we saw in the exit polls, majority of americans don't want donald trump impeached. also the majority of americans aren't really that enamored with the mueller investigation. >> right. >> they want healthcare. they want, you know, tax reform that works for everybody. >> here is a counterintuitive thought, president trump would like nothing more than an impeachment investigation because it's not going anywhere in the senate, it's dead, it's a republican-controlled senate, and it's the kavanaugh situation multiplied times a thousand which is democratic overreach and donald trump looks like the victim in the whole thing. he does not mind an impeachment investigation. >> mika said time and again that the democrats botched it on kavanaugh. you can look at the polls, you can see they botched it on kavanaugh, and you can also see that the only democrats that survived in red state america were democrats that supported kavanaugh.
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>> joe manchin. >> i lost a bet back stage so i'm on the presidential tweet beat this morning. >> go for it. >> he wrote moments ago, quote, those that worked with me in this incredible midterm election, embracing certain policies and principles, did very well. those that did not, say good-bye. yesterday was such a very big win and all under the pressure of a nasty and hostile media. >> capital nasty, capital hostile, capital media. i'm glad to know that he's gracious in defeat. he is gracious in defeat. >> softer rhetoric here. >> we're going to leave it right there. we have a lot to get to. eugene robinson, doris kearns goodwin, thank you both for being with us this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," we will talk to a democrat who helped her party take the house after flipping a seat long held by republicans. plus, a closer look at the
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all right. so it is 22 past the hour. the 2018 midterm elections marked many firsts for women in the u.s. congress. ayanna presley is the first black woman elected to congress, veronica and silvia are the first latinas to represent in the house. democrats talib and ilanmar are
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the first two muslim women they will represent. omar who came to the united states as a refugee from somalia replaces congressman keith ellison representing minnesota's fifth district. it's so interesting because, you know, some people are like, you know, a little bit back in time, joe, you know, and they're worried about voting for a woman, you know? so in new jersey thank god they went for this helicopter pilot named mike. >> mike? >> yeah, joining us now democrat elected to represent new jersey's 11th congressional district after more than three decades of republican control former navy helicopter pilot and federal prosecutor congresswoman elect mikie sherrill. also with us the founding president of voter latino and msnbc contributor maria.
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>> i have to ask mikie the most important question, did you ever train in northwest florida. >> i was in pensacola and i was in whiting. >> that's why she won. >> congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> how does it feel? >> it feels great. >> why did you run? >> after a lifetime of serving my country, after being in the navy and working as a federal prosecutor i thought the best way i could continue my service was to run for congress. >> i love it. [ applause ] >> the answer can be no, but did this presidency play any role in your decision to run? >> i certainly wanted to continue my service when i saw things like a tax on gold star families and pows and women and, you know, religious freedom, but it really was particularly in my district where our congressman -- is it me? >> here is the thing about female candidates, they have long hair. >> i'm trying to talk through
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it. >> i was saying you had the wherewithal to continue just like a navy helo pilot landing on a ship in fog. that's what you learned. but go ahead. >> but it was really in my district where our representative wasn't holding down hall meetings and wasn't meet its with his constituents, that's what really pushed me into the race. >> i love it. >> what's your top goal when you get to congress? what would you like to see? what direction would you like to see congress move? >> i would love to see more bipartisanship. we have been focused on tax reform, quality and affordable healthcare for everyone and infrastructure spending. beyond all that people tell me again and again is i just want congress to work. i want people to spend more time working for the country and less time feegt with each other. >> it's gotten really ugly out there. >> i'm curious what you would say about the process. because we here time and time again who would want to get into politics these days, it's so
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ugly, they dredge up every moment from your past, it's unfair how they frame it. what would you say to somebody who wants to get into politics? what was the process like for you? >> i was trying to think of how i could get engaged and serve the country again and a friend said, well, just run for congress and i said, oh, gosh, no. you know, no way. but really once i started thinking about it and what you can really do to serve the country and how you can work harder for a better legislative branch i started to say, you know, i should. i went up to my husband and i said, jason, i think i have to run for congress. i thought that would be the end of it. >> what did he say? >> he said, yeah. yeah. >> this is a couple with four kids. >> right. that's why -- >> by the way, that's a much better start for me. when i told my dad i was going to run he said, that's great, joey, but i'm voting for earl. so that was a good first start.
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>> i don't like to brag, joe, but my republican dad said that if he had been in my district he would have voted for me. >> my dad ended up voting for me. >> i hope so. >> i think he did. i mean, earl was a good guy. but talk about, you know, i always tell people that are running for the first time you're always so surprised not only by the people that you think are going to help you and support you and they disappear, but for every one of those there are ten people that you have never met before that throw their life into helping you get elected because they believe in a cause bigger than themselves. can you talk about how much that meant to you and how much sort of renewed your faith in democracy. >> it was wonderful. it was incredibly humbling and you're exactly right, renewed my faith in democracy is the perfect way to put it. just the thousands of people that knocked on doors, that made phone calls, that would show up on their off time. people, you know, our union members who worked a really long day and would get up early on a
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saturday morning and go knock on doors for me. it was really an impressive effort throughout the district. >> so the one thing from last night that i think is great is the number of women who are coming to congress, which i think is going to have potentially a transformative impact on the congress. how do you see this new coalition of women who are now in the seats representing the country and the wide array of americans out there. what impact do you think that women can have to move an institution that has become more sort of locked in a certain way of behaving, a certain way of looking at legislation, process and all of that, what impact do you want to have or do you think you can have to sort of transform that institution? >> i think we can have a great effect, i think we can have a transformative effect because a lot of us are used to breaking through barriers. i think as women that's what we've been doing our entire career. so to go somewhere, to have that challenge before us, is not
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daunting, it's sort of par for the course. >> and how helpful is it that you're going to be working with more and more veterans. it's hard for a republican who has served and a democrat who has served to look across this aisle and go, oh, wait, they're my enemy. no. >> that's exactly right. >> it's a band of brothers and sisters. did unt that help the more veterans that get into congress the greater hope that we may have some comody. >> it was under 20%. it won't be soon. i think we can see more bipartisanship. i've told people in my district for months, look, as a navy helicopter pilot i never flew republican missions or democratic missions, i would have had a very short career. this is something that i do think vets bring to the table, this willingness to work with everyone. >> maria, he have with' been
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talking about a lot of big gains for democrats. let's talk about two of the biggest losses outside of texas with beto and that would be the state of florida, andrew gillum losing and bill nelson losing. it is pretty remarkable when you think about the number of latinos, the number of hispanics in the state of florida and how abhorrent the president of the united states was in his handling of the puerto rican crisis, that somehow democrats couldn't carry the dwa in that state, at least in one of those two marquis races. did hispanic voters stay at home? how could donald trump have won the state of florida in '16 and again in '18? >> well, he wasn't on the ballot this time. >> oh, he was. >> no, rick scott went to puerto rico 20 times right after the hurricane. he was courting the puerto rican vote long before. the moment the puerto ricans
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landed in airports he had all the social services, government services there. they didn't feel that there was a distinction between the person that was on their side and the republican party in this case. >> by the way, they did both separate themselves. >> yes, they split the bill. >> the one -- one time that desantis showed political spine was when he crossed donald trump on the number of puerto ricans who died. >> he was reading the tea leaves. he recognized that that election was going to be really, really close. when we go to see what happened in texas, texas, the fact that beto o'rourke came within striking distance, there is a revolution right now happening in texas within the latino vote that is more akin to what happened in california under pete wilson than any other state. the fact that pete sessions lost, you know, 11-term incumbent lost and mostly to the latino vote is huge, but there is not enough infrastructure right now in the latino vote. since 2014 there's 4 million new young latinos that have come of age. there's no mechanism right now
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to actually capture them and get them into the democratic party or the republican party. so it has to be -- it has to be calculated but it also has to be strategic. i would say what we saw last night even with the progressive movement is the fact that they all of a sudden -- 27 nra-backed legislators lost. you had medicaid expansion in three red states and you also saw an expansion of really gerrymandered districts because seven state houses -- i'm sorry, five state houses flipped. the mean, the numbers in for the progressive possibility are there. >> mikie, i'm curious to ask you because there are democrats and progressives in this country who have been waiting for the moment when they had some shred of power to push back on donald trump, political power to push back on donald trump and now thanks to people like you democrats have it in the house. some of those democrats and progressives are blood thirsty, they want to make up for the last couple years, some of them want impeachment. is that something you would vote for if it came up? >> you know, i don't think
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that's the way forward. i have to say that i know that they're ready for change and i think that's exactly what we need. we have got to get to work on good legislation. i think that is the most powerful thing we as democrats could do is get congress back to work. >> what she is touching upon is this idea that the one of the reasons so many people came out in this election is they want the government to work. the presidents tweets give them heartburn, they want some stability once again. the fact that we have so many veterans coming in, sensible women coming in i think we're going to see a different congress. >> new jersey congressman elect mikie she are ril -- congresswoman elect mikie sherrill, thank you very much. >> i bet you have four very proud kids at home. >> and husband. >> for sure. >> three proud ones, one -- one six-year-old. >> congratulations. >> there's always one. >> maria, thank you as well for being on. what a night it was. i want to just share my
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thoughts on the 2018 midterms and women knowing their value. it's not a coincidence that some of the biggest winners of the night are women. many first-time candidates inspired to run to put a check on donald trump, the vast majority of the history makers were democrats, deb hallen, the first native american woman elected to congress, presley the first woman of color in massachusetts, omar in massachusetts and talib in michigan, women breaking barriers, hayes who went from teacher of the year to connecticut's first african-american democrat in congress and there's also nancy pelosi, that story this morning, likely getting back the gavel. we owe -- i owe a profound debt of gratitude to these women for putting themselves out there. putting themselves forward on the public town square, exposing themselves to the risks and attacks that come with running for office literally standing up
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to donald trump and saying to the country a group of women will lead you, will lead us to a better place. they've all got their own unique stories, but what unites them is their love of this country and each other and a burning desire to be human agents of change. they are the best story of this election and we're going to be talking about them and thanking them for a long time. so thank you so much for knowing your value. [ applause ] >> and coming up -- coming up, the reverend al sharpton, historian walter isaacson and carole king, yes, that carole king, all join the table. "morning joe" is coming right back live from historic studio 8h in rockefeller center. i just got my cashback match,
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>> thank you. >> host of msnbc's "politics nation" reverend al sharpton and award winning performer and songwriter, carole king. >> carole king, the patron saint of the upper west side, all of new york, all of america. it is so great to have you back. >> i live in idaho. how did i get to be the patron saint of the upper west side. >> walk around a couple of blocks. you will hear it. walter, i want to start with you. first of all, i want to tell you that mrs. brzezinski -- >> very much enjoying your book, my mom. >> your mom. >> yes, very much. >> i'm a big fan of your mother and your late father. >> very much enjoying your book. she sends her best. >> two thumbs up. what are you going to tell your students about what happened in 2018 and where we are as a country? >> i'm going to say unfortunately we're getting a little bit more divided.
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i hope that this race would break the fever, but i think what you're seeing is you're going to still have more divisions and i think we have to figure out how we're going to get a group of people that will lead us as mikie was talking in the early segment to bringing people together. i think having 100 women in congress will help, i think having veterans in congress will help, but i still think we are a poisoned divided country. >> at the same time, walter, we are also a country, again, of checks and balances. >> well, that is great. >> madisonian democracy is working. >> right. and there are elections every two years. >> every two years. >> so we can always right ourselves. i don't think we quite righted ourselves with this one, but it leads to the next. and the real question on the checks and balances is i'm of the cab that if the democrats go right in and decide to do impeachment, that is a mistake. it plays right -- i think willie said it earlier, it plays right in -- but if the democrats go in and say here is how we're going
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to protect preexisting conditions on healthcare, here is how we're going to get a tax cut for the middle class, here is how we're going to get some infrastructure. >> dreamers. >> we are going to make the dreamers work. and the really weird thing that could happen is trump, who i don't think has a deep political conviction, could say, okay, i'm going to be pragmatic, i'm going to start playing, you know, just an incompetedependent game for it he wants to get something done, but that's like a one in three chance. >> 1 in 300 chance. >> reverend, a big night for democrats if you are looking at checks and balances and keeping donald trump honest, as honest as he can ever be in washington, democrats are going to try to do that, but overall did the democratic party underperform last night? should they have won in florida? should they have won in georgia? should they have won some of those other races they get trounced in? >> i think that clearly we were
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disappointed with florida, i think with andrew gillum, and we still don't know all where it's going to go with stacey abrams. if i was her i would be in court at 9:00 monday morning because she's running against the referee. how do you win a match when the referee -- >> not just a referee, a referee that is just openly corrupt. >> openly. in your face. >> i don't say that about -- openly corrupt. he comes up with last minute false accusations, he puts it on the state's website, gwinnett county we all said yesterday morning one of the most critical counties in all of georgia, guess what, they had like the worst voting problems in all of georgia. >> but when you look at the gap of her vote and his and you count the voters they purged, the voters that couldn't get into certain voting and polling stations, you get the cumulative amount that she could have won by and that's why i say she
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should go to court. but having said that, the good side is that we won amendment 4 in florida where ex-felons can now vote, something that all of us were fighting for. i was there sunday on that. the good news is there is checks and balances. but i agree, the democrats need to run in a two-track in washington. they need to hold the president accountable, but they need to deliver. you cannot go to 2020 with just having beat down the president. we've got to save preexisting conditions, we've got to deal with criminal justice reform, we have to deal with voting reform. we have to have an infrastructure bill and provide jobs. we have to show the difference between trump without becoming trump and feeding into the hate. yes, he used every race dog whistle, every bigotry that he had and he did what he did. we've got to show that we're better than that and i think
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last night gave us a chance to check him and go forward. >> mika spoke eloquently about all the women who inspired her last night, went down the list of the candidates who won, we had mikie sitting here, she decided to continue to serve in a different way and you looked at the political climate over the last few months and decided to rewrite one of your songs like a 40-year-old song, you dove back in and sort of rewrote it based on that same inspiration that mika felt. >> yes, i was called because i was going to perform at a function where nine women candidates were going to be introduced and i thought, i've got to -- i kept having this thought, you know, what can one do? well, one can be one talking to two, touching three, growing to four million and that's what happened yesterday with women. 100 women now in the house. that's amazing. i also want to give a message to people who didn't win yesterday on the side of the issue that i stand or to everybody, really,
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go back. try again. don't give up. >> that's what men do. >> i say this not only to the candidates, but to the voters. don't stay home and say it doesn't matter. it mattered yesterday, it didn't matter enough in some cases. it will matter. go back. >> carole, we met when you were -- when you were on the hill, working hard, knocking door after door to try to get some environmental legislation passed. you've actually been closely associated with politics for quite some time. where do you think we are? as a nation in 2018, after last night? >> well, i think last night we took a step forward, but it wasn't a big enough step. i remember when i was in congress lobbying for this bill, we had a lot of republicans on it as well as democrats and most of those republicans aren't there anymore. so that's kind of a -- it shows
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what has happened. >> do you want to tell them why i signed on to your bill? >> you always tell them. i like to believe that you did the research, but, no, i signed your guitar. >> she comes in and for those that don't know the story, i heard -- my staff -- it was sort of like that old "snl" skit, clark productions and you are? so i'm sitting there working, the door is cracked and i heard somebody come in and say, and you are -- hi, i'm carole king, is the congressman in. he's busy right now. i stumbled over the desk, brought wonderf wonderful, wonderful bill -- >> northern rockies ecosystem protection act. >> to protect the northern rockies ecosystem. >> and you supported it. >> and i said, i tell you what, i will support the bill if you sign my guitar. >> that is how american politics work. >> he still has the guitar. >> i was going to do it anyway, but it is, though -- you are right, for a lot of people we
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took a good step forward last night, but there's still a long way to go. >> definitely. and, by the way, people aren't talking as much about the environment. yes, under the general heading of climate change, but protecting the northern rockies ecosystem, all those trees, many trees, would save the oceans from rising as quickly. >> and, walter, it's very interesting that we actually have seen candidates -- i know i was a little more environmental than most republicans. it worked in my district. i wonder if we're actually going to see some republicans start to talk about environmental issues again because -- >> i think you're going to have to. >> because trump has really stomped down on that and that is an issue that matters to young voters. >> you know, i'm going to tout my home state of louisiana because we do have much more of a bipartisan consensus there, a
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legislature that works, a democratic governor, republican lieutenant governor. there is a congressman garrett graves, for example, from louisiana, a republican who is really, really deeply into restoring the wetlands and to making sure that climate change doesn't destroy america's coasts again. >> what we saw in south carolina, actually, a democrat took mark sanford's seat because he talked about banning offshore oil drilling. >> right. i do think that environment is a place where people can come together and i think you're going to see -- i mean, i feel in georgia if stacey abrams loses it's a real bad step back for that state. atlanta was such a big economic development engine in the '60s and '70s because they said they were the city too busy to hate. if you're going to have a state that becomes busy hating, they're going to lose that economic development, they're not going to pull together and you see it on the environment and issues as well where georgia was ahead of the game and has
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receded. so you start having corporations say i'm not going to put headquarters there, or they have the super bowl next year, people have to have second thoughts just like happened in north carolina. so there will be some incentives to say, second thoughts. so there will be some incentives to say let's have sensible government at least. >> and we have found, al, that there are consequences. it seems like trump world was a consequence free zone for republicans. what's the matter with kansas? nothing. because chrkobach lost last nig. it's hard to see any other republican losing that governorship last night. but there were some people that went too far and even conservative voters said enough, i'm not following it. >> no, i think there are real
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consequences and i think kobach is representatives of where people are saying wait a minute, we've got to stop pulling this in, which is why i agree with carol. we have to keep going. we can't stop. that's why we're here early this morning. we can't stop. it reminds me the story of heavyweight champion joe lewis many years ago. he got knocked down in a fight, and his trainer said to him when you get knocked down stay on the mat and collect your thoughts before you get up, wait until the count of eight. but he got knocked down and jumped right up and he said i told you to stay down, why did you jump right back up, and he said to give that other guy time to catch his breath. as much as we're seeing a win, when we look at what happened with stacey, don't forget we are
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in that close of a black man winning in florida and a black man winning in georgia. this country is better than they thought it was, we just got to bring it the rest of the way. >> so we have three sons of the south here. and as a son of the south, i can tell you it's very interesting when i went to bed last night and knew that gillum had lost and knew that most likely stacey abrams was going to lose, i went to bed and to kill a mockingbird came to mind. a line that finch said to his daughter after the jury came back and found him guilty of murder. he said, but they thought about it, they waited, they -- they
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just for a moment thought about acquitting him. let me tell you, we talked about the new south. no, this is the new south where a black man and black woman can come within an inch of being governor of those two states, a state of florida that voted for george wallace in the democratic primaries in '68, i think in '72 as well. the state of georgia with its history, it's amazing. >> there's another part of to kill a mockingbird and there's a lot of masked people, so klan-like, wearing masks because they want to lynch, and all of a sudden she said hi, you're so and so's daddy i remember you, and broke the mask. so that's what's going to have to happen today, too. there's so much anonymous hate
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spewing around. i think we're going to have to lift people's mask and say i know who you are. >> it's not going to be an easy road ahead, and i agree. democrats have to try as best they can to start getting things done. having said that, there have been so many questions along the way. i don't know of a historical parallel, and i think the check on this presidency is something that's going to be rough sailing but something we really need. whether or not they can -- >> i hear you. >> -- they can stop gridlock. >> and by the way, we need it. as much as we need it for democrats, god, we need it from republicans. we need it from my former party. we need a majority of three or four or five republicans to stand up and say, no, the caravan is not coming.
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they're not going to invade our country. they're not bringing smallpox, the president is not telling the truth. when he's right i'll be with him. when he's conservative i'll vote with him, but i'm not following. i'm getting off the trump train now. what a difference that would make in this country. >> why do you think they're not? what is keeping republicans from coming -- >> they're shocked. >> they're scared. they have no reason to be scared. if you ask people who they went after more in my district, it's a toss up. but they respected me because i went after both sides. got 80% of the vote the last time i ran. that sort -- that's actually rewarded. if they were courageous they would be rewarded.
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but neeka always says, you can't go halfway. >> we played a sound bite and i asked directly what would you say to candidates running this fall, and he said don't cross donald trump. there's fear built into these candidates. they fear a tweet from the president of the united states or they fear it'll unleash his base or followers against them, and they don't have the courage to stand up. >> which brings us to mitt romney who by the way won despite he's been critical of donald trump. >> thank you very much. and still ahead a rare accomplishment i guess you could say for two republican congressman winning re-election while under federal indictment. but the big story, democrats win the house with the soon to be chairman already talking about issuing subpoenas including for the president's tax returns. carol king, thank you very much. washington's new balance of
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all the money in the world was no match for the good people of texas. >> i'm so [ bleep ] proud of you guys. >> i will be out there fighting with you. i am not going away. >> i applied for the job but i got a rejection letter here. >> mr. president, i look forward to working with you. >> and i know that you'll put your faith in me, you'll do it again. >> we are tough, we are resilient, and when the chips
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are down we'll stick together. >> the worst thing would be to never run at all. >> we will never yield the hallowed ground of patriotism to extremist in the statehouse and in the white house. >> gausz bless our country, let's get to work. >> together we can organize around the politics of home. >> i commit to the vote, my heart, my mind and my energy. >> i'm back and here i am. >> i end this in a way that i've been filled up so much more by you. >> we are just getting started. >> if we are going to turn this ship around as a country it is not good enough to throw a rock at our neighbor's yard, we need to cleanup our own house. >> today is more than about democrats and republicans. it's about restoring the constitution's checks and balan balances to the trump administration.
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it is the top of the hour, and democrats are returning to power on capitol hill. they won control of the house and appeared to have lost ground in the senate. democrats have gained 28 seats in the house. that aamounts to an estimated 2350 seat majority to republican, 205. with democrats powered by women, winning from coast to coast. and while democrats gained a senate seat in nevada they fell short in several trump voting states. beto o'rourke lost to ted cruz in texas and on the bubble, the florida senate race too close to call right now. three term incumbent senator bill nelson still trailing republican governor rick scott at this hour. and tallahassee mayor andrew gillum came up short against
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trump backed ron desantis. another top figure of this cycle georgia stacey abrams fights on in hopes of a runoff. in all democrats flipped seven across the country. but they lost incumbents in senate races in indiana, and possibly more in montana. welcome back to studio ah in rockefeller center. joining us now pulitzer prizewinning columnist peggy newman. and donny deutsch is with us. is host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell is with us. thank you very much everybody for joining us. including our live studio audience who had to get up at 3:00 in the morning to join us.
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>> last night was amazing, too. it really was. and there's so -- >> a roller coaster ride. >> there's so many things you can look at. you can look at taxes, you can look at florida. but history is going to look at one thing, and that is what happened last night, we saw the end of one party rule in washington, d.c. the democrats winning the house, that was what they could do to affect the greatest change. peggy, donald trump's political world, donald trump's presidency has changed radically over the past 24 hours. he may not know it yet, but he's going to have to actually work with democrats or get nothing done. >> yeah. it'll be interesting to see the democrats, i think, have the big decision about what attitude they will go forward with.
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i think certainly there will be lots of subpoenas flying through the air and lots of investigations. it's a question, i think, for them will this be chaotic and all over the place, or will it be sober and going forward in a very serious way. but i do think as you note the democrats winning the house is big news and news that almost got subsooned the dramatic races and so many women running. we're not paying attention to the house. so it's interesting to see what will happen there. and part of me thinks that he's going to enjoy -- the president will enjoy having presumably nancy pelosi as a foil and having his twitter fights with her every day and having a war with her every day and with the other democrats. and we'll see how that goes. he'll we thinking of 2020.
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this is a trench warfare and he'll be needing to win. >> he's going to tend to pick on republicans. >> it's been on the republicans on the press he attacks, and now he can attack democrats. >> so there were some big names on the democratic side who lost. andrew gillum, beto o'rourke. these are the highest profile capped dts who lost, but at the end of the day democrats wake up with a lot of power in washington on the house side to push back on the president. and jerry nadler said so explicitly last night, going to be the head of the judiciary committee, saying we'll be able to hold this administration accountable in a way they haven't been in the last two years. >> i don't think it's going to be chaotic. they're not talking about impeachment. they're talking about subpoenas, tax records, also talking about bob mueller. with no legislative safety net
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for mueller that entire probe, his entire report could have been deep sixed. it would never have seen the light of day. now they can't do that. the house intelligence committee was always a bipartisan committee. it was never run by a clown, forgive me, like devon nunez going -- i mean -- >> andrea, let me add the footnote there because he was the president's hand deliverer -- i mean, he would hold the press conference for those who have forgotten and people who want to talk about how he's not a clown, this guy held a press conference on capitol hill, said he had important information to give to donald trump, he had nothing, then went to the white house and
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then held the conference outside saying this is the -- that is the definition legislatively of a clown. >> and he made charges against former obama national security officials who had to hire lawyers and go through investigations just to be eventually cleared. >> attacked the fbi. we're not going to have a majority in the house of representatives that besmirches the good name of the men and women of the fbi every day. >> that is significant. they have to figure out their shots, where they can reach out to the president and show they can get something done. there's going to be a gridlock because of the senate. because the people who won with people who stuck with the president, the people who didn't stick with the president had trouble last night. and to give him the credit, he went out there, campaigned for 2020, but he did it on his battle ground, on his turf.
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so on red states for senate seats, which he was going to win anyway, he looks great. he went to rural parts of missouri, didn't go to any of these urban areas, and he won. and he won unfortunately with a message that was racially motivated, that was false about this invasion of migrants, these people on foot. and so now we have to see -- >> smallpox, monkey pox. >> and now we have to see what's going to happen with these really awful arguments validated. >> bubonic plague. hold on one second, we are hearing that we have a tweet from our tweet desk. and our twitter deck in guam, will willie guice is there, willie, i know it's awfully warm there but a democrat won last night. >> i wear a suit to the beach every time i go to guam.
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a cup of tweets for you. one pundits and talking heads not giving him enough credit for the win last night. but more to the point now -- >> old on a second, can we all look at that camera and say hi, donald. good to see you. i'm sorry, it's almost like he's watching. >> so here's the tweet from the president, if the democrats think they're going to waste taxpayer money investigating us as at the house level then we would likewise be considered investigating them for all the leaks of classified information and much else at the senate level. two can play the game. >> by the way, hold on, here is the news. here is the news. two are playing at that game. not one anymore. this is not a one-party system anymore. the system works.
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i've got to say something else works, did want give them enough credit, but i will tell you what, the democrats in the house helped put together and support some pretty extraordinary candidates that knew how to win republican districts. they are big winners. and you could say the same thing about republicans in the senate except for the fact that the map was tilted so far in their direction, but let's tip our hat to the democrats in the house. they put together great candidates and a great message. and i will say it again for people that just tuned in, a higher percentage of the vote they got in 2018 an the tea party did in 2010. >> it's interesting both women and veterans, and what they have in common is safety. i think particularly after the
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synagogue slaughtering and the pipe bombs, women are safe and veterans are safe. and i think that was the team. the obvious bad news is he hasn't had a check and balance not only in two years in office but he's never had a check and balance -- >> ervin his life. >> gone from being this silver spoon -- >> daddy gives him $200 million. >> couldn't even get -- >> fordham's a great school, but anyway his daddy gives him 2$20 million. daddy gave him $200 million, donny, and that allowed him to hire yes men and yes women his entire life and he still went bankrupt. >> even peggy talked about this that's interesting. the good news for him, though,
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is as a bully he needs people to pick on. first of all nancy pelosi which for him is an amazing, amazing target because she is a hillary clinton surrogate. she's yes from that time, a woman, an older woman. and there's a supporting cast of characters. and donald trump will have nicknames for these people. he likes to pick on people's physical traits, and that's a terrible thing to say. >> and by the way, have you seen donald trump lately? >> he's a pig, that's what -- i'm not going to do my rant about what a physically disgusting person he is -- >> no, no, no, when they go low, we go high. >> no, he's already producing this show and the good news for him is in his production he has a new cast, a foil. that's what he needs best, he creates the character.
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>> peggy, we see it and we just see it throughout american history, but there's always a reaction and an opposite reaction that balances each other out. just like democrats didn't know how to handle ronald reagan from 1980 to 1982, they were pulling their hair out and then they figured out, wait a second, this is how we get beat reagan. >> the economy in '82. >> in '82 and '86, same thing with barack obama and republicans. i remember eric candor saying if this guy keeps acting this way democrats are going to dominate the next 40 years. it's going to be curious to see if democrats, nancy pelosi, everybody else learns that the way you beat donald trump is by not taking the bait but by laughing at him. >> oh, wait a second -- >> in a good naturered way.
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>> so let me get this straight, we're trying to ensure that your 8-year-old son is covered for pre-existing conditions and you're thinking of nicknames for me? is that how this works. i'll tell you, we'll just work with republicans that won't help people's 8-year-old sons. >> if the new democrats in the house take on an air of merry and secure sobriety and they take their leadership seriously or in terms of policy maybe they get serious about health care and maybe also about infrastructure and tie up the president in knots when he tries to just play with them and put them down, they answer gently and whitally, there will be something in that. i am wondering, andrea, you may
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know this very well because you've interviewed so many of them, this new class of democrats coming into the house, many women, many veterans, what effect will they have on democrats in the house who were already there? will they be a more serious influence, a modern influence in some new politics way? what will their impact be? >> it will be diverse and so many of them have a military background. you met miky cheryl, an extraordinary woman. she is a veteran, a mom, she's serious. a very powerful guy, also a veteran, and he's navy and the fact is these people have had command authority. they've dealt with danger, dealt with real life situations. they're younger, they're more diverse. and i think they bring a whole new dynamism.
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they were chosen. they were -- well, the party went out and recruited a lot of really smart good people, a lot of military people and played in 85 different districts. putting money in all these districts. they expanded the battlefield. in practical terms i think they'll be serious and less tribal. >> yeah, that's what i meant. >> you know, willie, when we said this about john mccain, when you go through what john mccain went through, you don't worry about a tweet. when you have served in iraq in the darkest days in 2005, 2006, when you've served in afghanistan and had a friend killed, you're not worried about 140 characters or 280 characters. you just aren't. >> max rose just mentioned by andrea, 30 years old, served in afghanistan. his humvee rolled over an ied, blew up, he survived.
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these guys sort of scoff at the thought of politics it's a combat sport and they roll their eyes at that. but he's also a candidate. max rose went in there and he didn't talk about donald trump in staten island. he talked about the damn traffic on the arizono bridge. and he talked about the issues that mattered to people. so impressive guy but also a really good candidate. >> well, we're going to be talking -- i want to hear from some of these candidates who won especially i think the story of the night, the story of this election is about the women who ran and the women who won from two muslim americans to a former helicopter pilot, an african-american teacher from connecticut who ran for the poor kids in that district -- >> women who get interrupted by men when they're talking, i mean -- >> that's okay.
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i want to hear what you have to say. >> i want to head this off. just kidding. you know, people ask me all the time there's a jewish word called kibitz -- >> you interpreted mikas talk on the rising power of women for that? >> no, i was about to talk about women, i want to watch as going to replace the caravan with a -- this is what he said, i want people to think about that, he has set, this is the new reality show. and maxine waters. so he is casting it right now. >> it just shrinks his base even more. he can do it if he wants to.
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because of all of you -- because of all of you we are able to celebrate tonight. >> this state has always made me feel like i'm part of a family because here in minnesota we don't only welcome immigrants, we send them to washington.
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>> thback in her primary victor and against last night celebrating her win as she becomes one of the first muslim women in congress. what an amazing story. >> you know, there's an another amazing story, too, sort of on the other side of the spectrum. two republicans are under criminal indictment and they won re-election. in california congressman duncan hunter won despite being indicted back in august of stealing more than $250,000 of campaign funds to fund his lavish lifestyle. hunter later placed the blame on his wife. and i've got to say this is the most disgusting part of this and i wonder what people in his district think of this, he ran really the most disgusting demeaning aechbt immigrant campaign in america. including labeling his opponent who's half latino, half arab, a
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devout christian, he called him a national security threat who he wanted to quote, hide his ties to terrorism, and quote infiltrate congress with the support of the muslim brother hood. can you believe that stuff? and in up state new york chris collins won a close context despite being indicted on felony insider charges back in august. his opponent conceded after less than two hours calling forry count on his twitter page. >> i think the women who won in congress are the story of the day. i don't get these people running under indictment. but this morning we celebrate women and a check on this
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presidency, which is needed. we need answers. maybe everything is fine. >> a lot of people we talked to that voted republican, and there are a lot of people that voted republican and knew exactly what they wanted when they voted. there's so many people, they're republican. they were raised republican as a democrat was raised democrat. and i asked them -- i voted straight republican. i'm a republican. and so those of us consumed with this day and in day out and the constitutional norms and the overt i think appeals to racism, we see that every day and we're deeply offended by it. a lot of other people go to work, tune it out and pay no attention. i think they should, but i don't think we can put everybody in the same basket as they say. >> well, i also think people have the ability to separate
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republicans from trump who live who lives in his own universe. i think they believe there's a certain kind of republican they've grown up as, they've grown up voting for. they still see that on the ballot and they're able to separate that out from trumpism. >> i heard in florida from a lot of people that said, you know what, maybe i would vote for andrew gillum, he's a progressive, he's promised to raise taxes, i moved to florida to get away from taxes. >> to get away from taxes. >> i can't do it. there are a lot of people in georgia, too, that looked at stacey abrams not just as a black woman but also as somebody who's a self-professed progressive, and you're right. you can't forget policies. and of course they won't voting for donald trump up or down, even though i feel like they were, they may have been looking and saying i'm in georgia, i'm in florida, i left-condu connec
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i left new jersey, i left new york to get away from taxes. i don't want them to follow me here. >> especially in georgia where they feel their tax structure is the goose that laid the golden egg. that's why people come there, the income tax. >> you know what the income tax is in florida? >> would it be zero? >> it's zero. >> they thought a new progressivewise mess with them and they thought twice. it's a very american on the ground attitude to think i'm going to make my local decision on my congressman, i'm going to vote for senate when i know all of politics is surrounded by antics, mischief, and bull. and so they do tune a lot out that comes from the president, that is part of a the whole
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washington fractious fisticuffs thing. and they don't have a sense of those who are in politics and they expect very little. they'll go policy. >> you know, andrea, again i think it's a false equivalency, but there's a lot of people who say donald trump lies, all politicians lie. and guess what, i'm worried about and i work, and i'm worried about getting my two kids into college, i'm worried about paying for that. again, while it may for me, it may seem black and white, for a lot of americans they're worried about their family. they're worried about their bottom line. they'll worry about donald trump voting up and down with him two years from now. >> the thing is donald trump is the best marketer, brander, but a plurality of people in our exit polls said they were
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against donald trump. witch hunt works. he has absolutely labeled it witch hunt, he has demonized bob mueller, an fbi man, a veteran, a marine. one of the most hi highly resped men. and he knew if he went out and repeats it over and over again that with a large number of people who are not paying a lot of attention to fact checkers and politifact and the rest of us, we are fake news. so we are also demonized. >> i've got a say -- two months from now i think you're going to start seeing one domino after another domino after another domino following that
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investigation. >> but first you're going to see turmoil because you're going to see sessions resigning maybe as soon as today, tomorrow, this week before he's fired. you're going to see a complete shakeup in the kavanaugh -- i wouldn't be surprised kirsten nielsen, madison will probably hang on because he's such a patriot and can't be humiliated into quitting because there's a bigger purpose here. giv given what happened at the border. >> thank you all from being on. up next filmmaker michael moore joins us here on set. and former republican strategist steve schmidt. "morning joe" live back in a moment. - meet the ninja foodi, the pressure cooker that crisps,
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it looks bad, but everybody lives over here. so if we just keep these seats, add a few more over here and then come over here, take up new mexico off this board, put it over here with virginia and we've got a victory tomorrow night. >> oh, my gosh, michael moore last night channelling his inner kornacki. i will say i think steve kornacki is a little better than you. >> yeah, but i was doing the full kornacki. that's completely different. >> full intensity. >> you were not supposed to go full kornacki because you're not supposed to touch that board in certain places, but i was going for the red states and i wasn't afraid of it. >> michael moore is here, everybody. professor at princeton university, columnmist for time magazine, eddie, jr., and a
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former republican strategist, steve schmidt. former republican, yeah, i guess that's where we're at. >> that is in the rearview mirro mirror. >> what are we today? >> democracy works. there's checks and balances back in washington and one party rule is done at least for the next two years. michael moore, thank you for being with us. drive safely. >> ricea roney is our departing gift for you, i hope you enjoy it and good luck to the tigers next year. so what was your take away last night? >> well, the same it's been in just about every election since 1988. the republicans have won the popular vote only once for the president in 30 years. between '88 to now. they only won it once in '04 with bush w. and that was just
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in ohio, he won with one state 65,000 votes. so the democrats have won six of the last seven presidential popular votes. and once again last night the democrats won the popular vote again. >> it's important for people to know when donald trump's talking about how well republicans did today, look up on your screen and you will see that the democrats last night did better than the tea party did in 2010 when that was called a revolution. >> right. and in '06 when they said "w" took a thump in that mid-term, if you combine the house race when all the democrats won, won by 10 million votes in the senate races last night. 10 million votes over the republicans and yet the republicans came out as of right now with at least three extra seats. so that's the good news, is that the country continues to shift toward the progressive way of
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thinking. they're shifting away from trump and the republicans, and just because we have this cotsystem t allows people to win when they don't really have the support of the american people. >> but a lot of that shifts now. they will be seeing some redistricting for the next decade. and the 2020 senate map looks just as brutal for republicans as the 2018 map looked for democrats. >> what we have to do is take last night and put it into context. so some good stuff and bad stuff. in a gerrymandered map, we have ended one party rule. when we think about the voters that separated abrams and kemp,
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we know 400,000 of them were purged from the voter rolls. sole we see tactics, voter suappreciation havinguts. what we saw on the ground organizing young people, minorities and black folk, black women in particular jumping out there and organizing and doing the work. and the impplications of this doesn't bode well for trump and for the republican party. but i will say this in even in spite of all of that a large percentage of this country bought the final argument of donald trump. and it disturbs me to my core, and there's a kind of confluence of selfishness and racism. so even if yowl say because my taxes need to be low -- i'm thinking about the last segment -- there are folks willing to stomach what we just heard over this last mid-term election because they have these self-interests. they're concerned only about their taxes.
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so there's something about the kind of convergence of selfishness with a deep-seated sense of racism. james baldwin said to me with martin luther king, jr. in 1961 he said seg rugratiregation is and the question is how long and expensive the funeral will be. and here we are still paying for it. >> you know, willie, i'm always watching ken burn's documentaries but i was watching the baseball, and there were parts with jackie robinson, signing with the dodgers in '45, integrating baseball, and people started talking with tears in their eyes about how baseball led the way in change. and i'm sitting there thinking this was 1945, and here we are in 2018. we have a president of the united states that's making an
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overt appeal to racism as his final argument to keep the house and to keep the senate. >> and a choice to make that argument when he had a choice to talk about the economy, something that a conventional politician would have ridden all the way to election day and would have focused on that. but he decided it was more inflammatory and more effective to a certain group of people. and maybe it worked in certain places, maybe it worked enough in florida, maybe it ended up working enough in arizona, a border state. as you said steve schmidt, what was the big picture or the big take away for you. >> the big picture was this was a very good night for the democratic party across the midwest taking back the house of representatives, the governor's races and the state legislative races. and the trump fog machine can spin this any way it wants. if you have the capacity to make
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up an invasion out of whole cloth of a disease infested horde of immigrants for sure you have the capacity to say though you lost, you won. so it is a big night for democrats. to eddie's point i want to expand on what he said, the reality is that paul ryan was wrong to advise to campaign on the economy. donald trump's instincts were validated in big sections of the country. the racial demagoguery, it worked. we have to understand we have a billion dollar anger part in this country. we have a news media functioning as a propaganda arm of a president who controls it. we have an interconnected web of propaganda and misinformation
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and nonsense where the american people subjected to a constant torrent of lies. whether it's a caravan, whether it's illegal voting, whether it's any of the other 6,000 lies that he told over the year. the assault on objective truth, we've seen the consequence through the incitement strategy that played out. and when we look ahead, we see the net result of this election is pick ups for the democrats but also a clarification of the borderlines in the country with regard to the cold civil war that donald trump is stoking. we saw democratic pickups in suburban areas in oklahoma city, charleston, south carolina, staten island, where republicans have hold those seats for 30 years. the rural population of america, though, such as it is shrinking, aging and constricting. and so the republican party may have gotten a low interest mortgage on their incitement strategy just like the
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california party did with its anti-immigrant demagoguery in 1994 and didn't win another race. so what was the long-term? the incitement and demagoguery of this campaign will linger like a stench around the republican party for ages, for ages. >> and michael moore, i mean ultimately i think the impact of this presidency has been hurtful to the american people. and i think he's missed -- i think many have underestimated from the get-go the power and the platform and the influence that donald trump had over regular americans who are working every day and trying to get a paycheck. and they felt lied to for decades, and they felt like washington was letting them down, and he touched a nerve, and he's broken down the free
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press. and he's sowed doubt in the press and sowed doubt in the truth. and i think that might have been part of today's convoluted outcome. what do you think? >> i think he is a tumor on democracy, but the tumor shrunk last night. the tumor has shrunk. >> wow. >> well, that's the truth. he has ripped apart and taken us to the precipice of whether or not we're going to have a country we thought we used to have or we're going to have. and i come from one of those three states, michigan, that put him over the top in the electoral college vote. last night those three states, pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin as you pointed out in the show, all went blue. governors in all the states, senators, and at least in michigan two new women that are going to go to congress and a third one who's our first palestinian american in congress. so there is a lot of good news
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here, but he is a true danger but it's because of what you said. he has figured out -- he's so much smarter than -- our side, nobody has ever taken him seriously, has never understood his pow, his ability to read a room, his ability to manipulate people with fear. i mean, the man is a genius in this area. he's an evil genius, but to not respect how smart he's been in doing this, and maybe i missed your earlier part of your show when i was sleeping but -- god bless you for getting up every morning. i don't know how you do it. but seriously think of who that person is right now who could beat him in 2020. come up with a name right now. >> kamala harris. >> no. >> why not? >> none of that. you cannot run a politician
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against him. we will lose. >> i'm running a former prosecutor and former attorney general. >> we have to run a beloved american. weave to run -- obama became beloved the night of that convention and he was beloved from that moment on when he gave that speech. we need to run somebody -- >> you have an answer ready? >> it's got to be like a show obama or a sully sullenberger. why aren't we thinking along the lines of who can defeat him? we will lose in 2020. >> we still haven't heard the name that can win in 2020. >> i'm usually right. >> and he knows that, too. still ahead the former president obama, what will president trump say when he addresses reporters just a few hours from now. this special edition of morning joe is coming right back. today, 97% of employers agree
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all right, time now for final thoughts this morning, joe, i'll start with you, pass it around. >> well, you know, like we've said all along, one party rule is over. i mean, the monopoly of power that donald trump has enjoyed is over, it changes literally everything in washington, d.c. he's going to have to deal with democrats or get absolutely nothing done. >> for me, these midterms mean so much in terms of a check on this presidency. but it's a big know your value moment for women. women ruled, women won in this midterm. >> it really is. >> final thoughts? >> it was a mixed bag, but it gives us enough to go forward. we wanted to have it all and a yacht. it's more like since you are a biblical person like i am, we had a little ship wreck, but we can make it on these broken pieces. >> amen. >> race for 2020 started like two hours ago. are you on a plane to iowa later
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today? >> i am not. >> are you on a plane later to iowa today? >> you talked about a beloved american, i'm thinking this is the ticket right here. you guys get the papers filed, guys, let's go. >> willie, final thoughts. >> mika talked about women. i'm inspired by the young people who ran, veterans who ran and many of them winning. we're seeing faces in that winning graphic and saying, moe, people like me should run for office and can win when we do. >> women, people of clo and young adults make up over two-thirds of this population in this country. that's where the future is. those are the people that are going to take us home and get us away from this incredible madness we find ourselves in. i do have a lot of faith that that will happen. >> eddie. >> last night proved that it was a mixed bag, that we have a lot in front of us but we have to act on behalf of democracy before democracy gives way. >> steve schmidt.
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>> before the next presidential election the first american who was born after 9/11 will be killed in action somewhere in the middle east. we saw in this election 75 veterans, elected, the generation that's fought in these wars for the last 17 years coming to political power. that's a good thing for this country. >> and carroll king, about seeing us out? >> my final thoughts are that music is for everybody and always saves us all. >> i love it. >> take it away. >> please join me -- ♪ i feel the earth move under my feet ♪ ♪ i feel the sky tumbling down >> come on, everybody. ♪ i feel my heart start to trembling ♪ ♪ whenever -- ♪ i feel the earth move under my feet ♪ ♪ i feel the sky tumbling down >> sing it louder!
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taking control of the house and republicans holding onto the senate. here's where things stand at this moment. are you tired? in the house democrats flipped more than two dozen republican-held districts, grabbing the majority for the first time in eight years. among the republican incumbents who lost, dave brat and barbara comstock in virginia. illinois congressman -- in the senate, republicans actually added to their majority. red state democrats like joe donnelly, heidi heitkamp and claire mccaskill all lost while republicans like ted cruz held their seats. governor races, democrats gained ground in states like wisconsin where incumbent lost to tony evers. republicans held onto the biggest prizes, including florida and ohio. no matter how you interpret tuesday's results,


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