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again, moments ago was laughing at me for remembering that virginia is for lovers. >> i so enjoy that you have made love your cause. good morning to you, craig melvin at msnbc headquarters in new york city. flashback friday, a dramatic recount looming in florida, possibly georgia and arizona as well. for a lot of folks it feels like 2000 all over again. will president trump get involved? what it means for the president's political power and the 2020 presidential election. and tearing into trump, former first lady michelle obama taking off the gloves, taking on the president, blasting that birther campaign, and his behavior toward women in her new memoir. and a legal move? president trump says he doesn't know matt whitaker as objections to his appointment continue to grow. so does the president support him or not? we'll dig into that in just a moment, but we start with flashback friday, a florida
recount prompting memories of bush v. gore. bill nelsonless than a fifth of one percentage point behind challenger rick scott, the governor, likely headed to a recount though nothing in florida is ever certain. scott, though, alleging fraud, demanding an investigation. he's already filed a lawsuit. the big difference from 2000? florida not alone. close races in arizona and georgia immobilized partisan legal establishments in those states. the one thing we can say for certain about the 2018 midterms, it ain't over. here's president trump just a few moments ago weighing in on the florida race suggesting there could be, could be a federal role in all of this. >>. >> every hour it seems to be going down. i think that people have to look at it very, very cautiously. >> helping us figure out all of
this, our nbc reporters, ali vitali in tallahassee, florida. we'll get to vaughn hillyard in just a moment, just returning from arizona: also with us leah wright rigor assistant professor at harvard's kin lee school of government. and dana milbank. we'll start with you in the sunshine state. it seems to have escalated fairly quickly there in florida. tell us about rick scott's lawsuit and tell us why american elections yet again circling around broward county and palm beach county. >> reporter: yeah, this is moving really quickly, craig. we're actually still on the phone. the nelson legal team is making another update of their legal strategy and what they're seeing, so as we were coming on the air with you, we're kind of tossing our phones down trying to give you the latest. what we're hearing from the nelson team is as we know the margins are tightening. what's happening right now is all the counties, yes, palm beach and broward, but across the board, they're still
counting those pro visual ballots absentee ballots. what the nelson team has done is filed litigation in federal court here in florida to legislate how those vote by mail and provisional ballots are counted and verified. basically what happens is there's signatures that have to be matched between voter registration and the ballots themselves, and there's some contention between the nelson legal team and the state about how exactly those are verified. the nelson team is arguing effectively that the untrained eye of the county workers and the election boards isn't sufficient to count all of those ballots, so that's something that we're going to see as the legal fights continue on this. that's something that the nelson team just announced to us on the call. rick scott himself is also filing his own litigation. we were at the governor's mansion last night, and he told us he's filing litigation against county supervisors in broward and palm beach. we're seeing the legal fight happening even as the canvassing and votes are still being
counted, and of course each side is trying to put their spin on this as well. mark alie i can't sasa says he confident this is going to come out for senator nelson. rick scott in a very fiery press conference with us or rather a statement with us last night, he didn't take questions for us. he went on fox news and did that after. he basically is trying to make the argument that partisans are trying to quote, steal this election. we're seeing a lot of fiery rhetoric on both sides and legal challenges beginning to mount, even as votes are still being counted. >> every day since the election, the left -- in broward county have been coming up with more and more ballots out of nowhere. i will not sit idly by while unethical liberals try to steal this election from the great people of florida. >> reporter: and that's exactly the fiery rhetoric we were talking about, rick scott very
visibly angry that this has turned out, when we were at the governor's mansion last night. his team also tells me, though, that they feel at the end of the day this will come out for them. as i said, spin machine, legal battles. was florida drama. >> stand by, i want to come back and talk about andrew gillum in a moment. dana milbank you heard the president say a short time ago there could be a federal role in all of this. the president also doing what the president is inclined to do, tweeting, tweeting in part, you mean they are just now finding votes in florida and georgia but the election was on tuesday? let's blame the russians and demand an immediate apology from president putin. president trump putting on his funny hat this morning. did this federal role, what might that be? what could that potentially even look like? >> well, from the beginning, craig, there were two possibilities for president trump, either his people were going to win the election or there was going to be fraud. he was already talking about fraud before it began, so what he's talking about now is the
possibility of a federal law enforcement investigating. i think the larger and more likely federal role that will actually affect the outcome here is the court system, which, as we know, has been from the supreme court on down has been pretty well packed at this point by the republicans. that's probably the biggest danger here. it's no mystery what's happening here. democrats live in big urban counties where there are a lot of votes to count as opposed to the rural republican county where is it's rather easy to count the votes. so that's what's going on with the provisional ballots, the absentee ballots coming in, much larger turnout than people expected, and the great irony here is that democrats in the last couple of years asked for $250 million to improve election security, some of the very things that would have prevented the problems we're having right now. the republicans voted that down and are now talking about fraud. >> leah, does nelson, does he
have a path to victory here? >> reporter: i mean, it's clear, you know, first of all, what would an election be without a tossup or some kind of snafu in florida, right? but i think it's clear here that democrats in the state, particularly gillum and nelson really feel like there is a pathway to victory, so much so that gillum has unconceded the governor's race. he conceded on tuesday night. he has unconceded because his campaign has become aware of thousands upon thousands of ballots that weren't counted, so they do sewe a pathway, and the see a very strong but tight pathway. the other part of this is that florida, of course, is incredibly important for larger national conversations, both in terms of the senate and outcomes, but also the 2020 election. so this isn't just about local politics, but it's also about where does florida play in in the nation? and we're talking about florida here, but let's pivot and talk
about arizona for a moment. there's drama there as well. vaughn hillyard just back from arizona. and it seemed as if jeff flake's senate seat was going to remain republican. the president sounding dubious of the senate vote there as well. this is president trump last hour. >> now in arizona all of a sudden out of the wilderness they find a lot of votes, and she's -- the other candidate is just winning by a hair. >> what's happening in arizona? >> well, the president doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to arizona elections right now. they didn't find ballots in arizona. these ballots are well-documented. we know where they are. these are early ballots we're talking about. there's essentially two buckets being counted right now, bucket a, early ballots that were turned in friday through monday. these were expected to go in sinema's favor. high democratic turnout. those were the ballots announced
last night. more of those ballots are tonight. we expect her to expand that lead beyond the 9,000. then there will be bucket b, it will be interesting to see what he says about bucket b. we expect those to go in mcsally's favor. the question is every night at 5:00, maricopa county is releasing updated results. the question is come monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday will mcsally, the pro, more, the ballots that will benefit mcsally will those be able to chip away at the lead that sinema has maintained? >> forgive my ignorance, why is it that 48 other states seem to be able to count their ballots in a day or two. arizona it's friday and there's still like 15% of the vote outstabbou outstanding? >> i was up the at the maricopa county's recorders office. right now they're essentially verifying the signatures that people sign their names on those early ballots. they're going back to dmv, voter
registration records and cross checking them. it may be more than a week after in which arizona, which is now a seemingly we're joking about florida earlier, arizona is the new florida because i don't think this is last time we're going to see this situation play out. >> sinema, mcsally too close to call for our folks here at nbc news. arizona's republican party suing, saying there's no uniform standard to allow voters to adjust problems with their mail-in ballots. cindy mccain not having it. wife of the late senator saying in part, tweeting in part here, i am one of those mail in ballots. i was under the impression my vote was always counted. what we're watching unfold in as, what we're watching unfold in florida and georgia, what does it do, dana, for people's faith, for their confidence in our election system? >> well what trit should do is y there's been a substantial change in the way people are
voting. they're voting early. these provisional ballots were done in large part because of what happened during the 2000 recount. there was overwhelming turnout at near presidential levels. it's not surprising that these voting systems were overwhelmed. it's not just arizona. it's not just florida. it's not just georgia. look at connecticut where it appeared ned lamont, the democrat won by a whisker, but it turns out the urban areas hadn't reported. it took them days to report, and now he's won by a very comfortable margin. i think there's 12 or 13 house races where they still can't make calls. it's really -- it's less a -- i mean, the voting system is flawed. there should have been more money spent on it, but when you have this overwhelming turnout, this is what's going to happen. now, if you have the president and the governor and others hollering fraud, that is going to be what causes people's opinion of the system, their confidence in the voting system
to disappear. >> we're going to have to leave it there. dana, thank you so much. leah, thank you, vaughn hillyard here in the flesh now, ali vitali. we've got to get to breaking news out of washington at this hour. we have an update on supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg. she was hospitalized yesterday. our justice correspondent pete williams has been following this very closely. what's the word? what do we know? >> she's out of the hospital, craig. the supreme court says she's doing well and that she plans to work from home. she's actually spent a night in the hospital. you may recall what happened here is she fell. the supreme court says in her chambers, and her office at the supreme court late on wednesday. she went home after that but felt uncomfortable, went to the hospital yesterday morning, and that's when doctors discovered she had broken three ribs on her left side. she spent the day in the hospital they said for observation and treatment, then she ended up spending last night and this morning a little -- a
short time ago it was, let's see, about -- well, about 15 minutes ago the court said that she'd been released from the hospital and planned to work at home. now, we'll see. i don't think she's going to miss any days at the court. she was not there yesterday for the formal investiture ceremony for brett kavanaugh, but the court is not back to hear oral argument for another two weeks until november 26th. i can't imagine that she won't be there when the court is back on november 26th. >> all right, pete williams, thank you. >> you bet. taking on trump, michelle obama going after president trump in a candid new book. also, remembering the victims, the moving stories of the lives that were cut too short when that gunman opened fire at the borderline bar. and also in california, it's burning again, firefighters battling multiple fast-moving fires that seemingly came out of nowhere. our own gadi schwartz live on the ground.
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other homes that have been lost. we're going to walk up a little bit more. this house is fine. those houses are fine. that house, it looks like embers have gone inside, and then as we turn the corner here, you're going to see this house that's falling apart as we speak. those are embers that have gotten inside the eves. unfortunately there are no firefighters around. these firefighters have really been going around trying to protect whatever structures they can, but then they have to move because there is need all around this area, and i want to show you something extremely ominous. over here, that's towards malibu right now. you see that huge cloud, that huge plume of smoke. we know that there is fire burning towards malibu. we know that the entire city of malibu is under evacuation. we are told that about 75,000 structures are being threatened by the fires that are burning down here in southern california. as you saw, some of those dramatic pictures up in paradise, california. that town looks like it might be a total loss. guys, back to you.
>> gadi, injuries? do we know whether everyone's okay at least? >> reporter: unfortunately we've been hearing a lot about injuries, especially in paradise, california, and we've been hearing a lot about fatalities. authorities there say at this point it is still too dangerous to go in and assess the area and see how many fatalities there were, but we know that there have been some severe burns up in paradise, and we also know there are several fatalities that are being reported. they have not been confirmed by authorities, but authorities are acknowledging that people died in that fire. fortunately here in southern california, because of what happened in surprise, a lot of people are paying attention to everything that's going on here, and so you've got situations like this unfortunately that you really can't do anything about. these embers are flying for about a mile, but at least people are taking heed. you can see most of this area is under evacuation, and malibu right now is basically a disaster trying to get out on
the pch, but most people trying to get out before this fire reaches the city of malibu. >> i was with you this morning on the "today" show, and you were really in the thick of it then. truth be told, we were a bit concerned about your safety at one point. it looks like it's a little bit better now. gadi, did these fires, did they come out of nowhere? did officials, did local officials have some sort of indication that this was going to happen? >> reporter: yeah, so most fire officials in southern california have been on high alert for quite some time, and it's because we've got these red flag warnings. we've got santa ana winds. these santa ana winds can turn the tiniest of fires into a full blown catastrophe in a matter of hours. you're talking about something that grows from an ember to 200 acres, to 500 acres, and all of a sudden social security 12 square miles. these wind blown fires, especially when the santa ana winds start blowing back towards
the ocean, they can wreak havoc everywhere. as you can see, this is just one of those embers touching a home here. this home looks like it will probably be a total loss. fortunately, these other homes are still standing, but the fire is progressing towards malibu now. >> just looking at the randomness of it all is also quite bizarre. for folks not familiar with this area, gadi, how close are you to that deadly shooting from just a few nights ago, thousand oaks? >> reporter: unfortunately we're about four or five miles from that shooting. this is a community, thousand oaks, that has just been hit so hard with that tragedy and now having to deal with this. most of thousand oaks is under evacuation. this whole area has just been -- this is a community that is suffering in an unimaginable way, so people in shock over what happened, now having to deal with this tremendous loss. >> gadi schwartz in oak park.
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former first lady michelle obama revealing new details about her life and her marriage to former president barack obama in a new memoir. it's called "becoming." it's out tuesday c. initial reviews are calling it notably frank. mrs. obama opens up about how hard it was to get pregnant and how she eventually turned to ivf, but much of the early attention focuses on her uncharacteristic criticism of president donald trump. n nbc's peter alexander has more. >> the early reviews call it surprisingly candid as she takes her status as the first black woman to serve as first lady and weaves it into the narrative of our nation's history. in her much anticipated memoir, michelle obama opens up about her years in the white house.
according to excerpts from the book obtained by "the washington post" and the associated press, the former first lady writes about everything from growing up in chicago to confronting racism in public life, to her amazement at becoming the country's first black first lady. but the book scheduled to be released on tuesday is also getting attention for mrs. obama's criticism of her husband's successor, president trump. denouncing donald trump's birther campaign, questioning her husband's citizenship. mrs. obama blasts mr. trump writing the whole thing was crazy and mean spirited of course. it's underlying bigotry and xenophobia hardly concealed. it was also dangerous deliberately meant to stir up the wing nut. what if someone went looking for our girls. donald trump with his loud and reckless innuendos was putting my family at risk and for this, i've never forgiven him
mr. trump for his debate behavior towards hillary clinton. she refers to trump trying to stalk clinton by following her around the stage and trying to diminish her presence and railing against him over the infamous 2005 access hollywood tape. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> my body buzzed with fury after hearing that tape. and while she's speaking out now, michelle obama has long said she has no interest in running for office, despite getting buzz after selling out stadiums on her new book tour, recently addressing the topic of a 2020 run here on today. >> you've been asked 1 billion times, a few by me, would you ever run for elected office and you always say no way, but have you ever been asked why not? >> i have never wanted to be a politician, you know, and it's one of those things that nothing has changed in me to make me want to run for elected office. i want to serve. i want to do work. i want to be out there, but
there are so many ways to make an impact. politics is just not my thing. >> reporter: mrs. obama's memoir is powerful, and it is personal. according to the post she shares intimate details revealing that she and her husband had trouble getting pregnant, that she suffered a miscarriage and that both daughters sasha and malia, were conceived through in vitro fertilization. >> peter alexander there at the white house. back with me, leah wright rigor, assistant professor of public policy at the harvard kennedy school of government. she is also the author of the the loneliness of the black republican. michelle obama, she's very strategic about when and how she speaks out. what impact do you think that this book is going to have in shall we say our highly charged political climate? >> well, first of all, michelle obama is beloved. i mean, she's fabulous. she is outspoken. she is graceful.
she has a huge following, and we saw that in the way that her book tour immediately sold out, as soon as the tickets were released that there's a huge demand, not just to see her in person, not just to meet her or see what she's up to but actually hear from her and hear from her on her own terms. that's actually what's happening right now. before we had michelle obama the first lady who was always kind of constrained by the office of the first lady of the united states and her husband being president of the united states. when they go low, we go high, but now we have michelle obama who is candid. we have michelle obama who's open, who is fully transparent about the impact of the presidency and can say what she wants to say but more importantly what she needs to say in a moment like this. >> i had not considered the idea that, you know, when the president was spewing all that birther nonsense what might have become a consequence of that until i heard that excerpt
there. she also goes on to accuse the president of trying to stir up those wing nuts with the birther nonsense. what do you say to that? >> well, the birther, you know, the birther campaign was all about delegitimizing the first black president. it was not rooted in any sort of truth. it was fabrication. it was fraud, and the fact that it was continued all the way through the 2016 election process right up until election, you know, right around the weeks of the election, really election day and then even sometimes after the 2016 election shows you just how political that decision was, but also how this was about attacking the very fabric of who barack obama was and the legitimacy of his presidency and of his family. so of course michelle obama is going to be upset. we also know that barack obama received four times the amount of death threats than previous presidents, so this was a very real situation for her.
so of course she's going to be upset about somebody stirring up people, all kinds of people out there who are beginning to think this is something legitimate, it's a validation of something crazy about the president when, in fact, it's not rooted in truth whatsoever. so this isn't just about barack obama, but it's also about her family and the safety of her family, particularly as they take on this high profile role. >> leah wright rigeur, harvard, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> have a great weekend. in the week of that rampage in thousand oaks california, does gun reform have a real chance of passing now that democrats have taken back control of the house? we're going to talk to two survivors of the parkland shooting who are pushing for legislation. and the president now says he doesn't know who matt whitaker is. that would be his pick for
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worked for sessions. >> president trump's comments coming the morning after demonstrators in cities across the country took to the streets in support of special counsel robert mueller and the russia investigation. i'm joined now by mimi rocah, former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. she is also an msnbc legal analyst. president trump there about two hours ago roughly saying that he doesn't know matt whitaker, said it several times. is that believable? is it possible that he doesn't know matt whitaker? >> well, craig, i guess it depends on your definition of no. it is completely implausible that he does not know matt whitaker's views on the russia investigation because we know that that is how whitaker got the job to be sessions' assistant. for trump to say, well, i could have brought someone in from the outside but i just happened to pick this person that was, you know, working for sessions, the reason he was there working for
sessions, i believe, is because of his views on the russia investigation. this man has said clearly he already does not believe that there was collusion. he has pre-judged without knowing all the facts. he has said it would be a red line to go into trump's family and finances. he has said he thinks the trump tower meeting, to take that meeting was completely legal. you cannot ignore that he has said those things and believe this is just a coincidence that trump picked him. no, i don't think it's believable at all. >> a number of folks have called for whitaker to recuse himself following some of those past partisan comments, some of which you just outlined there, comments about mueller, comments about the russia probe. the president was asked about that. this is what he had to say. >> when you make comments, i see everybody on television, all these lawyers, all these law enforcement people making comment after comment. they make comment. the fact that you go on fox or cnn or msnbc or anybody, you
make a comment, you'd have nobody left to choose. you would have absolutely nobody left. >> is that in any way, shape, or form a valid argument? >> well, craig it's interesting that you're asking me that as i sit here being a former federal prosecutor on tv giving my views. let me say this, if i were to ever be in a position in the department of justice, which i respect and revere very much, before i took any position, before i worked on any investigation i would seek an opinion from the civil servant career lawyers in the department of justice on whether or not to recuse mic recuse myself, and i would never do anything to jeopardize the appearance or the actual, you know, appearance of conflict or have an actual conflict, and i think that is true of most of the former law enforcement that you see on tv. most of us are doing this because we want to speak out about the rule of law.
matt whitaker's told someone that he was doing it because he wanted to audition for a job. it's not that he's not entitled to have his own personal or political beliefs. it's that president trump seems to have picked him for that reason, and he is not allowing himself to -- he's not taking the opportunity to recuse himself or even necessarily to get the opinion from the department of justice that would allow people to have faith in this system, and that's what the department of justice is really all about or should be about. >> i want to call your attention, or i guess more likely call our viewers' attention and our sirius satellite radio, those listeners attention to this "new york times" op-ed. one of the writers of this op-ed, kellyanne conway's husband george conway, in part a principal officer must be confirmed by the senate. mr. trump's installation of matthew whitaker as acting
attorney general of the united states after forcing the resignation of jeff sessions is unconstitutional. it's illegal. is the appointment illegal, mimi? i think there's a very good, strong argument that it's illegal, and i think the fact that not only neil kstsio, and george conway and other conservative leaning legal scholars are saying it can be illegal or unconstitutional means that there are people who are willing to put their politics behind them to look at the constitution, and you know, i think this is a very strong argument that it is illegal, and i think that we're going to see that play out probably very soon. someone is going to challenge this and, in fact, the court of appeals, the d.c. circuit court of appeals who's hearing this challenge to mueller's power in the context of a subpoena to one of stone's associates has now remanded to the district court saying go back to the district
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>> know the healing takes time. >> these are some of the faces of those who lost their lives wednesday night, victims of yet another mass shooting in america. >> all of my friends were there. as of right now i only know of two that passed away. >> jason coffman learned that his 22-year-old son cody was killed. >> my first born son, oh, son i love you so much. >> alaina housley was only 18 and had just started her freshman year at pepperdine university. her parents describe her as kind, smart, beautiful, and respectful. 23-year-old justin meek was at borderline with his sister, friends say he saved her life and several others before he was shot and killed. shawn adler was also a hero, the 48-year-old was working at borderline, and family members say he tried to disarm the gunman before he was shot. he leaves behind a wife and two
sons. authorities say it could have been worse. when first responder sergeant ron helus got the call, he ran into the bar to end the bloodsh bloodshed. >> you can't describe it as anything other than totally responder ron helus entered the building. >> you can't describe it by anything other than heroic. >> reporter: and there were other people there at borderline who were also in las vegas for the worst mass shooting in american history. >> no parent should get that phone call once and much less twice. >> danielle was there. >> i know the sound. >> reporter: and you know the exits. >> yes. >> reporter: is that why you survived? >> yes, unfortunately, it prepared me for things like this. >> reporter: and this man also survived las vegas, but not here. his distraught father blames the rampage on gun culture in
america. >> i won't vilify this kid, because he has parents who are grieving, too, and i feel sorry for them as well. >> reporter: so many lives forever changed and 12 innocent souls taken too soon. >> i made it out perfectly fine. but for those who didn't, i just like, it breaks my heart. it really breaks my heart. >> that is nbc's natalie moral ly reporting there. i want to bring in two survivors of another mass shooting in this k country, matt and sophia were students at marjorie stoneham douglas massacre. and sophie, what was your reaction when you heard the reports of the thousand oaks' shooting? >> honestly, i was not surprised and it sucks, because i wake up
every morning and i see these headlines and even living through a mass shooting, and i see one come up on the news, and i'm -- it is even becoming normal to me, and it is scary to see how far that gun violence continues to terrorize our country and how little action is taken by our officials. >> and, matt, this one coming just two weeks after that the despicable attack on a synagogue in pittsburgh that left 11 people dead. you have a unique perspective on the tragic events. do you expect to the ever see some sort of measurable change in this country's attitude towards guns? are you in any way heartened by what we have seen over the past, you know, few weeks and months? >> look, i was a graduate of stoneham douglas at the timek and my brother and sister is survived the shooting there, and not receiving texts for them for
hours as that shooting took place and not knowing which one of my friends had lost siblings and who of the teachers i had at that school had survived, but to attend my community college santa monica also had a mass shooting there at the library and at my cousin's college at florida state also had a mass shooting and my ex-girlfriend to lose two friends in the las vegas shooting and to have my neighbor here in parkland suffer and survive the las vegas mass shooting and my best friend who is from squirrel hill and my best friend from parkland to have this connection through the gun violence epidemic, it is not going to end until we have elected officials to put lives a head of the profits from the gun lobby and that is the highest youth turnout in the nation's h history in a midterm election forcing 38 nra-backed resumes to
start looking for another job. >> i want to have you listen to this conversation about gun reform law. >> we have seen change on the state and the local level, and the measures need to be en a acted federally, but the federal government is unwilling to do the new regulations tr new measures that would help a lot of people. >> that is my brother. you call me a survivor and play my brother as if it is me. are you cool? >> i apologize, matt. i apologize. but, to the point that your brother was making, before the election and the democrats now control the house, and lucy mcbath, and lucy mcbath lost her son to gun violence there, and she is elected in georgia, and are you optimistic that perhaps something does get down now at least legislatively? >> look, something has to be done, and we will continue to see mass shootings on the news,
and young people put into caskets and america's potential is on the front lines of the streets and the concerts and the bars and the schools. there is nowhere that we are safe in america until we actually act on, this and so we have no choice but to kt and change something. so i have intense optimism that something is going to be done, because we have no choice. >> i want to make sure that we can see the t-shirts here, and for the viewers who cant no read them, sophie and listeners. >> mip says "we are the change." >> and mine says "i don't want my friends to die anymore." >> we will leave it there, and again, my sincere apologies about the mistake and i do appreciate, and we will be back after a quick break. k.
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>> i will not sit idly by while the liberals try to steal this the election from the great people of florida. >> unanswered questions one day after 12 people were gunned down inside of a crowded bar in california. the family members of the victims are searching for answers and calling for change. >> i don't want prayers. i don't want thoughts. i want gun control, and i hope to god nobody else sends me anymore prayers. i want gun control. no more guns. >> plus the new man in charge, and president trump is downplaying the ties to the new acting attorney general after red flags are raised and what does it mean for the russian investigation? >> the russian investigation is a hoax, and phony hoax. >> i think that the days are number and this is a blatant appointment, and whisker is a blatant attempt by the president to make mueller go away in the form of either removing him or greatly constraining