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and later, andrew gillum, bill nelson and stacey abrams all end their campaigns but not before raising serious questions about the faithfulness of our elections. first, this week, there have been a lot of developments in and around robert mueller's russia investigation. president trump says he has personally prepared and finished written questions written answers to questions from mueller. a source tells nbc news the president's legal team plans to submit them by thanksgiving. meanwhile, charges filed against wikileaks founder julian assange were mistakenly reveals by the u.s. attorney's office in the eastern district of virginia this week. at the same time, alleged russian operative maria butina is negotiating with prosecutors. the department of justice defended acting attorney general matt whitaker as unquestionably authorized to lead the department. and whitaker's comments on the russia probe as a private citizen led senator jeff flake to push a bill to protect
mueller as special counsel. this as mueller's probe has appeared to expand. the daily beast reporting the special counsel's team is looking into hanna. and conservative author roger stone associate jerome corsey publicly says he expects to be indicted by mueller's team as well for allegedly lying. with all of that, i'd like to welcome in my panel. white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire. washington anchor for bbc news, catty kay and msnbc contributor betsy woodruff. in london, presidential historian and author doris kearns goodwin. i want to start with you and your latest reporting on the mueller investigation. this has been a week of basically trying to collect and pull at all these different threads and we've watched the president almost emotionally navigate it in public without a full understanding of what's going on behind the scenes.
where do we stand? >> there are a couple different baskets we know he's looking into. the saudi arabia -- influence from saudi and united arab emirates. and then the broader traditional donald trump white house basket and there could be lots more we don't know about. the more reporting we do on the mueller investigation, the more me and my colleagues learn and it's a lot bigger, more complicated and a little weirder than we realized. clearly that's something the white house now understands as well. directionally what we know, additionally is that mueller is checking every box available to him. he's not just talking to some of the bigger more dramatic targets, name brand people like roger stone. he's also talked to completely obscure folks you'd never heard of for reasons that are confusing. for example, he talked to a woman who started a parody guccifer 2.0 account. she made it as a joke. this was not a serious thing.
despite that, mueller interviewed her. there's lots of strange stuff and anyone that tells you may have a good handle on it is probably also trying to sell you a bridge. >> very thorough man, robert mueller. you write for the associated press, the president has expressed concerns behind closed doors that mueller is closing in on his inner circle. including potentially his eldest son. for months, trump has told confidantes he fears that donald trump jr., perhaps inadvertently broke the law by being untruthful with investigators. in the trump tower meet with a kremlin connected lawyer. he's also complained about efforts in the senate by his longtime foe, jeff flake, to introduce legislation to protect the special counsel moup high is the level of concern around donald trump jr. in particular? >> what we saw this week is we have robert mueller publicly go quiet for a period before the midterms. and the president did as well. he rarely tweeted about the special counsel.
didn't talk about him as much either. that all came to an end a few days after the midterms. >> abruptly. >> with a series of tweets and comments. there's a confluence of things. yes, mueller returned to the headlines even though he has not made any more public moves. we've seen stone and corsey talk themselves they expect to be indicted. we've seen the flake measure. the pushback to the acting attorney general pick matt whitaker and trump being annoyed by that thinking whitaker would be an ally in deal with the mueller probe. and whitaker hasn't been confirmed so the president says, neither has robert mueller. you don't have to be confirmed by the senate. this has been bubbling under the surface for a while. in terms of don junior, in trump world, this is something that has been gnawing at them for a time. since the summer when we first got wind of this. they feel like the president's
eldest son could be vulnerable. he hasn't been charged with anything, but the president has been telling them that he fears his son may have done something wrong. perhaps accidentally and, in particular, he has seen mueller get closer and closer to his inner circle, whether gates, manafort, flynn. at this point, this could be next, members of his own family. and that has always been a great question, how he would react if that were to happen. would that finally be that red line if mueller were to cross, the president would act to curtail this probe? >> it does seem based on everything we know about thisri having your own son indicted by a special counsel and face going to jail or other massive repercussions. you know, if these behind the scenes things cause the tweets and behavior we're already seeing, something along those lines could send us places we've not been yet. >> there seems to be a culmination of things. there was losing the house in the midterms. it wasn't the great victory he
thought it was. the trip to paris. we've seen roy blount saying he'd make a good acting attorney general. he's not getting a lot of republican support on that either. if the mueller probe is closing in on him and particularly on his family, i have been speaking to democrats and republicans over the last couple of weeks who said if don junior is invited, all hell breaks loose in washington. this is on a scale that would be hard to imagine because you'd have to see what does the president do? presumably he'd pardon his son in some way. i find it very hard to see donald trump allowing don junior to go through a process that potentially could lead him to go to jail. >> one important piece of context as we have this don junior conversation is since the inseptsion of the mueller probe it has caused extraordinarily high levels of anxiety in the white house. people have been worried from jump street that there was going to be a blitz of indictments and they were all going to prison. that hasn't yet happened. doesn't mean it's not going to happen, but the fact this
paranoia exists and is so acute doesn't necessarily indicate anything significant about what mueller is actually working on. >> doris kearns goodwin, thanks for staying up so late london time to be with us. second of all, i'd love to get your perspective on this conversation. is there a historical precedent to speak of for what we're seeing potentially about to unfold here with mueller? >> what i think is happening right now is the combination of the mueller probe being back in the news and the lack of oxygen for president trump not having his rallies and the losses in the midterm is putting a huge strain on his temperament. he said when he was originally running he had the very, very best temperament of anyone who had ever run for president because he had a winning temperament. he never lost. he lost during the midterms. he still takes credit for the victories and no blame for the losses. it's feeding his grandiosity. when he talked to fox today or yesterday and talked about the fact that he was asked about the
ranking of the presidents and he suddenly says, i have an a-plus. >> let me jump right in there. i'd like to show everybody what you're talking about. >> great. >> it's great and then we'll talk about it. take a look. >> you rank yourself in the pantheon of great presidents. there is lincoln and washington. there's fdr and reagan. do you make the top ten? >> i think i'm doing a great job. i would give myself -- look, i hate to do it, but i will do it. i would give myself an a-plus. is that enough? can i go higher than that? >> doris, do you agree, a-plus? >> well, forgetting what i think right now there was a recent presidential poll where he was rated the worst president in american history. and the james buchanan used to be the worst and then it was said in the newspaper that now he wasn't the worst anymore, the buchanan family was celebrating. but the most important thing about our best presidents is that they have shared credit.
they've taken blame. they've grown in office. they've learned from their mistakes and we don't see that growth in office. it's hard to imagine he's the very highest a-plus. >> jonathan lemire, i can't imagine him answering that question any other way. >> that's pretty stereotypical donald trump answer. i don't know that he has opinions about james buchanan. the presidents he's trying to compare himself to are andrew jackson and mckinley. this is someone very quick to claim ownership of a victory and wants nothing to do with a defeat. we interviewed him a couple weeks before the midterms and asked him if the republicans lose the house, which, of course, they did, would you accept any responsibility? president george w. bush did. president obama famously said shellacked. and his answer was very simple, no. he wanted nothing to do with it. he reiterated that when chris wallace tried to ask him. he kept interrupting him and saying we won the senate. we kept the senate.
in the white house, that was the priority. more of their agenda can get done with the senate. they can still get cabinet member replacements confirmed. they need the senate for things like trade and so on. the house is less important and, of course, as long as they kept one of the houses of congress they couldn't face things like impeachment and removal. the senate was key to hold but the president obviously has been in denial about what it means to have lost the house of democrats. >> i was at the rally and he made this comment about, i'm on the ballot. i'm on the ballot. i've done such a great job. >> a vote for so and so is a vote for me. >> he effectively said, if i win it will be thanks to all of these rallies. and if i lose, it's on you and pointed at the crowd. basically it's your fault. the voters' fault for not turning out. the house thing is important. clearly the adam schiff is getting under his skin, hence the misspelled tweet or -- >> was it misspelled?
>> i'm not going to say what he said. but -- >> s-c-h-i-t-t. i'm not going to say it. >> but i think schiff is getting under his skin and the prospect that there was the russians were laundering money through the trump organization which could get you back to donald trump jr. okay. he may see it as much as he likes to chris wallacer to anybody else. we expanded our margins. of course they're nervous about the house. much more to come tonight. anthony brown stops by. plus we'll talk to jonathan about his travels to california with the president to survey the deadliest wildfire in that state's history. first, will the president hold saudi arabia accountable after the cia concludes jamal khashoggi was brutally murdered at the behefbest of their crown prince. "kasie dc" back after this. aftes hey, no big deal. you've got a good record and liberty mutual won't hold a grudge
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ever since president trump came into office, the lines between america's friends and foes on the world stage have become increasingly blurry. dan balls writes, internationally, the president's trip to paris to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the armistice of world war i brought a reminder of the degree to which he's chosen to stand apart from traditional u.s. allies. he was absent physically at key moments and absent intellectually in providing the leadership that has long come with being the american president. the president's leadership is once again being tested over the
murder of journalist jamal khashoggi. on friday, "the washington post" was first to report the cia concluded that saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman ordered the killing. here's the president in that fox interview this morning talking about a recording of the killing that turkey shared with the united states. >> we have the tape. i don't want to hear the tape. no reason for me to hear the tape. >> why don't you want to hear it, sir? >> because it's a suffering tape. it's a terrible tape. >> a month ago, you said you had spoken with saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman and he told you directly he had no knowledge of this. >> that's right. that's right. and still does that. >> but we now know some of the people closest to him, some of his closest advisers were part of this. question, did mbs lie to you, sir? >> i don't know. who can really know. you saw we put on very heavy sanctions, massive sanctions on a large group of people from saudi arabia. but at the same time, we do have
an ally, and i want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good. >> joining our conversation now is msnbc anchor and co-host of "morning joe first look" ayman. did mbs lie to the president in saying he was not involved in this? it seems that our intelligence services have concluded that he was. >> yeah, the bottom line is if we're going to believe what the mia has gathered and what we've seen come out of the turkish government and thankful subsequent reports associated with that, it's hard to imagine he was forthcoming and honest with the president of the united states. the short answer is the central intelligence agency, the foreign intelligence agencies of other countries have gathered enough evidence to make it quite apparent. and the way the saudi political regime operates, it is unlikely that so many of these individuals, 17 individuals,
some of them who literally served and worked directly with the crown prince would undertake such a risky operation and commit such a heinous crime without the crown prince's knowledge. there's certainly a lot of questions as to whether the crown prince ordered it or whether he knew about it but no doubt from what we've seen so far, he is implicated in it and simply denying it to the president seems somewhat out of the imagination to be honest. >> doris kearns goodwin, what kind of break with the past does this represent on the part of the president of the united states? the u.s. has a long history of standing against these kinds of human rights abuses publicly. >> in fact, the more i think about this whole relationship that he's establishing with who are our allies, remember when he first talked about saudi arabia and the -- just mentioned khashoggi wasn't a citizen and meanwhile, the saudis were bringing millions of dollars into the united states, putting
money over human rights. but the more i think about his performance when he went to europe and did not go to the cemetery to commemorate the ending of world war i, our allies are our allies because they share our values and norms and traditions. they were with us in world war i, world war ii and the fact he didn't go to join them in that moment and then talked about the rain and fog and the secret service wouldn't let him go but finally said something about how the white house staff, he was furious at, because they didn't warn him what a terrible public relations catastrophe it would be. his instincts should be with those allies. we've been with them, they've been with us. it's a really troubling thing. >> katty kay, you were in london this past week. how much did the president's reactions when he was there for the 100th anniversary, is it still reverberating? >> what is reverberating, and you see it in this whole khashoggi thing is the allies feeling donald trump feels more comfortable siding with authoritarians than western
democratic leaders. he was prepared to give authoritarians like mohammad bin salman of saudi arabia the benefit of the doubt. well, he told me five times at least that he has nothing to do with it. how many times have we heard the president say, well, president putin told me he had nothing to do with interfering in the american elections. it's the same instinct that's perterbing them when democracy seems to be in retreat around the world, why is he not standing up for it. you hear none of that from this president and that's what's concerning allies. >> speaking of that, meanwhile, nbc news learned the white house is looking for ways to remove turkish cleric goulin who has lived in pennsylvania for years. two senior u.s. officials and 24ths briefed on the request say it's being considered as a way to placate turkey over the murder of jamal khashoggi.
here's the president responding to that report on saturday. >> we are doing very well with turkey. i get along very, very well with the president. he's a friend of mine. a strong man. a tough man. and he's a smart man. but he's a friend of mine. and whatever we can, do we'll do, but that is something that we're always looking at. but at this point, no. >> erdogan has sought goulin's extradition for years. here's the turkish president speaking to ayman back in 2016. >> this man is a terrorist and extradite him. give him back to us. it is going to be -- >> so why haven't they done it? why do you think they haven't done it? >> translator: i'm coming there. i'm getting there. oh, he has a green card. well, i don't care what kind of a card he has. the terrorists, you demanded the extradition of might have been citizens in turkey.
and regardless of their nature, if they were terrorists, i would extradite them to you immediately because you are my strategic partner. >> ayman, to you on this. what would this mean? it adds kind tof the same narrative of sort of foregoing our traditional commitments to human rights but also would doing this be enough to playicate turkey in this instance? >> this has definitely been, if not the single most pressing issue for the turkish government, along with a few other issues, including criminal charges brought against somebody very close to president erdogan here in new york and skirting the iran sanctions. out of all of the demands that turkey has of the u.s. government, this, by far, is number one. why? because the turkish president believes that goulin is responsible for a series of terrorist attacks inside the country. he believes the attempted coup back in 2016. and so they want him for that
precise reason. as you were saying, this is a game changer for turkish/u.s. relations if the united states hands over a person that is residing in the united states, that is a green card holder. and who, at best, the extrajudicial process of bringing him back to turkey has been somewhat rejected by u.s. government officials saying that not enough evidence has been brought forward by the turkish government. and that is something that american presidents have in the past said is that, you know, any process of extradition would require this to go through the american judicial process. and there hasn't been that threshold met yet by the turkish government. if the president decides just to hand him over, that would be a game-changer for turkish/u.s. relations and would take it to a different level in making the president very transactional when it comes to how he conducts foreign policy interests over values. >> we certainly have seen that so far. and doris kearns goodwin, before we wrap up here, you've been in
london. there is -- i guess from this side of the pond, it's a little surprising but for many of our viewers that haven't been following this, theresa may in a spot of trouble. >> a weird thing to be in a place now where people are worried about their future. they are worried about the next generations. worried about what's going to happen in these next few weeks and we're not talking about trump. we're talking about the people in london. there's a sense of turmoil here that's as large as we're feeling in our country right now because what may happen in these next days with her, with not just the prime minister but with brexit vote. whether there will be a referendum. whether there will be called elections. a lot of people feel that will stay really change things for the generations to come. there's lots of feeling over here. it has supplanted the feeling about trump for the last week. we're all talking about brexit. >> wow. that certainly does put it into perspective. doris kearns goodbin, thanks for being on tonight.
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the search continues for more than 1,000 people unacco t unaccounted for in the california wildfires. the camp fire has so far killed more than 70 people making it the deadliest in california's history. and before the president's weekend visit, he blamed poor forest management and a lack of leaf raking for the fires. >> i was watching the firemen the other day, and they were raking areas. they were raking areas where the fire was over there and they're raking trees, little trees like this that oar not trees, little bushes that you could see are totally dry. weeds. and they're raking them. they're on fire. that should have been all raked out and cleaned out. you wouldn't have the fires -- >> what about the argument it's climate change that it's drier. it's hotter. and that's contributing to it. >> maybe it contributes a little bit. the big problem we have is management. >> the president was asked again
about climate change after he spent the day surveying the damage in the cities of chico and paradise, california. >> does seeing this devastation at all change your opinion on climate change, mr. president? >> no, no. i have a strong opinion. i want great climate. we're going to have that and we're going to have forests that are very safe. >> and how will he keep our forests safe? trump told reporters he's taking his cues from finland. >> take care of the floors. the floors of the forest. very important. i was with the president of finland, and he said we have -- he called it a forestation. and they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things and they don't have any problem. and when it is it's a very small problem. >> according to the associated press, the president of finland told a newspaper that he, quote, remembered telling trump we take care of our forests but couldn't recall raking coming up. i shouldn't laugh about this. this is a very serious subject.
we have the associated press here to talk to us about it. you orp that trip. and he did seem to take a different tone. he seems to not like the confrontation when he's actually face to face with officials. he didn't criticize the governor or governor-elect but what did you take away from the trip? >> we've seen that time and time again where he's reluctant to go after someone when they're right in front of them. the sheer amount of devastation, particularly in northern california, by paradise, it's hard to comprehend. it's the most devastating disaster he's seen and certainly i have seen and others on that trip felt as well. the houses in malibu that we saw destroyed were also jarring but nothing like what we saw up north. you know, he certainly is there -- what you'd expect a from the do, mostly in terms of sounding the right notes and promising the frequently government would be there with resources, putting aside political differences with governor brown and governor-elect newsom. we saw tension though issue of
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you see what's happening at the border. for the first time we're getting gang members out, druglords out. we're getting really bad dudes out of this country. and at a rate that nobody has ever seen before, and they're the bad ones. and it's a military operation. >> listen to this. no. repeat. no use of military force in immigration operations. none. >> the president was using that as an adjective. it's happening with precision and in a manner in which it's
being done very clearly. we've made it clear in the past and secretary kelly reiterated what kind of operation this was. the president was describing what kind of manner in which this was being done. >> the president's then dhs and press secretaries qualifying what he called a military operation at the border early last year. fast forward, some 20 months and now there's a full-scale military operation at the border. more than 5,000 troops were sent there to corral the migrant caravan that's arriving soon at the southern border in tijuana as we speak. secretary mattis visited this week calling the mission the best field training exercise possible. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez has been travel with the caravan and reports from tijuana, mexico. >> mexican police in riot gear have shown up outside the main makeshift tijuana, mexico. about 3,000 so far.
some of the local residents here are very upset these migrants have been allowed to come here. this is the demonstration that's happening behind me right now. tijuana's mayor has called this an avalanche and says the city is ill prepared to deal with the influx which he said could last at least six months. of course, president trump has seized on that saying that since his city is ill prepared, these migrants should definitely not be allowed to come into the united states. the president, of course, has decided to deploy nearly 6,000 troops so far. they have fanned out across california, arizona and texas. an estimated cost of $220 million by the end of the year. the question right now is how long will these migrants stay here? processing asylum applications could take quite a while. some of these migrants deciding whether to stay here in mexico or continue to try to apply for asylum in the u.s. casey, back to you. >> and joining us on set is
democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland. a member of the house armed services committee and an iraq war veteran. sir, thanks so much for being on the show tonight. let's start where gabe left off. as a veteran yourself, what is your view of whether or not this is an appropriate way for our troops to be serving at this point right ahead of thanksgiving? >> i think it's an inappropriate mission for the active duty. i felt strongly earlier this year when the administration ordered the national guard to the border. i introduced an amendment not trying to stop that deployment but simply saying if you're going to send troops to the border, lay out a strategy. tell congress and the american people its impact on readiness, the cost, the benefits. now this takes it to another level. it's active duty soldiers who certainly could be deployed in more important places at home and abroad. so i have real concerns with this operation and the fact that
it's happening before thanksgiving and the holidays makes it that much more demoralizing and, therefore, an impact on military readiness. >> the president tweeted about this. he called -- he said the mayor of tijuana, mexico, said their city is ill prepared to handle this many migrants. likewise, the u.s. is ill prepared for this invasion and won't stand for it. they are causing crimes and big problems in mexico. go home. i also want to put up this tweet from our producer annie rose ramos. she writes of this woman in the caravan, seven months pregnant worried the u.s. will take her two boys and baby away from her. she is running from crime in her home country, not causing it. this is who president trump says is invading our country. and i talk to one democratic candidate in the midterms who said there is no reason for the u.s. to fear this group of people if we are, in fact, the strongest military on earth. >> you're talking about up to 7,000 combat-ready troops who are positioned and poised,
facing a caravan of very tired, hungry, demoralized people who are just simply seeking asylum. this is not an opposing force that is presenting a threat to the united states. even to the extent that you believe, and i certainly believe we've got to secure our borders. in this case, it means processing asylum seekers. making sure that we are offering the accommodations that are necessary and important as we process those applications but not a military force if in is a -- this is a combat ready migration. >> the president's criticism of some military figures, in this case, navy s.e.a.l. bill mccraven, former head of u.s. special operations. this is more from the president's interview with fox's chris wallace. >> bill mccraven, retired admiral, navy s.e.a.l., 37 years, former head of u.s.
special operations. >> hillary clinton fan. >> special operations -- >> excuse me, hillary clinton fan. >> who led command of the operations that took down saddam hussein and killed osama bin laden. says your sentiment is the greatest threat to democracy in his lifetime. >> he's a hillary clinton backer. and an obama backer. and, frankly -- >> he was a navy s.e.a.l. >> would be nice if we got osama bin laden a lot sooner than that. wouldn't it have been nice? >> betsy woodruff, why is it that that's the one fact he knows about this man and how are those comments going to be perceived among the military? >> when bill mccraven speak out several months ago criticizing the trump administration for one of the host of steps that trump has taken that have deeply disturbed people in the intelligence community it was a really big deal. there t was a big deal to people in the ic and people adjacent to it in large part because he's been nonpolitical in his time in private life after leaving the
american armed services. him coming out and criticizing trump made waves specifically because he was not a political hack. because he had not been one of these former members of the intelligence community and military space to put himself out there as a leading political voice. for trump now to talk about bill mccraven like he's a lefty code pink character who thinks trump is destroying america is just amusing distortion of the role that bill mccraven has played in american public life during the trump administration. it's divorced from reality and highlights the fact that trump looks at all of his critics simply as coming from a partisan perspective. he's not able to process the fact that sometimes people who aren't particularly politically partisan, people who aren't hacks will have concerns about the decisions he's making as president. >> to be clear, mccraven did not become political until after the election is over, is that correct? so the characterization of him as a hillary backer is completely untrue. got it. okay. i want to quickly put up, we
just had this graphic up on the screen. trump disapproval rating among active duty times readers. when the president was elected, he enjoyed quite a bit of support from our service members. in 2016, his disapproval down around 37% but it's ticked up according to the military times to 43%. what do you attribute this to? why are military service members looking at this president and changing their opinions? >> i think when you send soldiers to the south border for dubious mission, that impacts morale and raises the disapproval level. when you call for a multimillion-dollar parade in washington, d.c., simply because the french do similar types of parades but it's not a tradition of the united states, we like parades in small towns but not the big parades and most soldiers don't like any parades. they'd rather be training or at
home with their families. that demonstrates the president is ready to use the military as its play thing and not support them in the way they want to be supported. >> i have to ask you about an unrelated story but one that's going to be important. that's nancy pelosi. do you believe she'll be the next speaker of the house and would you consider supporting marcia fudge? >> i think nancy pelosi will be the next speaker. when it comes to the house floor it's not a question of which democrat you'll be voting for. at that point it's either the democrat or the republican. i'm supporting nancy pelosi. >> do you think you need a new generation of leadership? >> we need to be developing a new generation of leadership. right now nancy pelosi, steny hoyer and jim clyburn, that's the triumvirate that we need to go toe-to-toe with the administration and mitch
mcconnell. while i do believe that we have to develop the next echelon, the next generation of leadership, let's not toss out our most experienced leadership today when we're about to go into a very serious battle. >> all right. fair enough. congressman anthony brown, thanks for being on the show. just ahead -- facebook under fire yet again for using a fake news shot to take on their critics. going to talk to "new york times" nick confessore. and catch rachel maddow's special "betrayal -- the plot that won the white house." richard nixon reaching out to a foreign power to win the presidential election. that's tonight at 9:00. replace it outright our it because of depreciation. if your insurance won't replace your car, what good is it? you'd be better off just taking your money and throwing it right into the harbor. i'm regret that. with new car replacement, if your brand-new car gets totaled, liberty mutual will pay the entire value plus depreciation.
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congratulations on the story. i read it with great interest and worth noting facebook quickly overnight that night fired definers public affairs in the wake of the story. what in your view is sort of the most telling or important thing you discovered in the course of this and do you think that facebook is actually at this point changing their ways or are they just digging in? >> kasie, this was the work of five reporters over many months. what we found was a pattern where this important and powerful and wealthy and profitable company kept makes mistakes covering them up and pushing back on critics and trying to get the heat taken off instead of solving the problem quickly. i think they are doing some things to solve the problems with russian misinformation and
fake news and abuse but the real problem is the things that are bad about facebook are very close to the things that are profitable about facebook and good about facebook. the platform's ability to find what you want and serve it to you and excite you and focus you on that thing is the same thing that these other, you know, entities use, the russians use to spread propaganda and fake news. it's a real dill lemma for them >> i want you to describe the meeting between sheryl sandberg, mark zuckerberg and the board of facebook and how sandberg came out of that. she turns around to facebook security chief and effectively blames him for having the investigation, not for what trying to find out what was wrong and bring it to light but for having the investigation in the first point. >> it was a real stunning moment and a fascinating example of the
leadership of facebook being angry at the wrong thing or exercised about the wrong thing. the security chief for facebook had done an investigation that first was not authorized and became authorized and communicated those details to the committee on the board and told them a few more details than she thought he would, cher cheryl sandberg thought he would. a lot of people that watched the election unfold, watching the problems with the russian fake news would have said this is a big problem and thank you for trying to get it fix. >> hey, two quick questions for you. one is your reporting here, is there any sense to attract congress but what steps will facebook take to prevent this sort of happening again, the
idea of it being a platform for fake news going into the 2020 election? >> the first question, i think the story got a lot of attention on the hill and there is a growing consensus that the social media platforms that have become so powerful in politics can't be trusted themselves anymore. they can't regulate themselves. it's time for some rules. the trick is what kinds of rules and what do those look like? it seems farfetched to treat them as utilities for certain responsibilities but it could go down that road. you can see privacy rules that would make the networks lessfective lessfect ti -- less effective for targetin effective for targeting. this is the founder that owns over half the stock. he has to decide he wants to do this and prioritize it and create a culture in the company where those problems could get
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>> i won the senate. >> nancy pelosi says she's confident she'll be the next speaker of the house. >> i'm actually fund mentally leaning towards voting for her. >> i intend to support her. >> she'll be fine. >> the russia probe is intensifying. >> mr. trump is turning up the temperature again. >> there is no collusion. >> there was no collusion whatsoever. the whole thing is a scam. >> it would be a disaster for the republican party for the mueller investigation to be terminated or shut down. >> the mueller investigation is going forward. >> how do you make decisions? do you agonize over them? do you second guess yourself? >> i don't think about it. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c." politics editor for the daily beast and sam stein. power up newsletter and back with us from new york, "new york times" reporter nick. i want to start this hour with
something that dan balls wrote in the washington post. at home and abroad the president is being watched for how election defeatsthe washington . at home and abroad the president is being watched for how election defeats affected him. he must know what was lost in the midterms but seems lost in knowing how to respond. here is the president setting the record straight on what really happened, according to him, in the midterms. >> are you ready? i won the senate. and that's historic, too, because if you look at presidents in the white house, it's almost never happened. that's a tremendous victory, nobody talks about that. that's far greater victory than it is for the other side. number two, i wasn't on the ballot. i'm not on the ballot but in a certain way i'm on the ballot so please go out and vote. there are many people that think i don't like congress that like
me a lot. they say if i was on the ticket, everybody would go. it would be a landslide. even the fakers back there say that and i'm not on the ticket but i am on the ticket because this is also a referendum about me. i get it all the time, sir, we'll never vote unless you're on the ballot. i get it all the time. people say, sir, i will never vote unless you're on the ballot. i say no, no, go vote. what do you mean? as much as i try and convince people to go vote, i'm not on the ballot. i want you to vote, pretend i'm on the ballot. >> michael steele, who you're still a republican, right? >> absolutely. despite the crazy. i am. seems to be a regular pulse check. >> can you fact check that for me? >> yeah, i can. let's unpack this crazy. number one, you lost the house. number two, you held the senate. maybe picked up one or two seats here or there. that's the state of play. the idea the president wants to be in the game but not in the
game, that's his prerogative but the facts are the facts. the republican party at the president's own insistence paid the price for having donald trump at its head and that is something that will not only be manifested in this election cycle where you now have nancy pelosi and others taking the reins of power but it really lays down a very important pred k -- 2020. more senate seats at play have to defend the seats with trump at the head of the ticket and that's going to be a real challenge if this election is any, any indication of the future. >> sam stein, i mean, i suppose this is the problem republicans had all the way along but kevin mccarthy taking the reins of the republican party on the hill, wouldn't say that the reason they lost the majority was president trump when that's clearly basically the case and he wants to retake the majority but he can't do that running against the president because
the base is still with the president. >> yes, so on the one hand i sort of envy trump's lack of interest, his ability to move on with that without thinking he may have contributed. on the other hand, to your point, i don't think it's strategy wise. in the losses, usually have recalibration. after barack obama lost more house seats in 2010, he pivoted to reduction. they took the pedal off the metal. >> he was forced to, right? >> yeah. >> he came into office and controlled everything. >> he dropped any pretense of doing climate change and kind of tackled it. i don't know if that contributed to the victory in 2012. there was an adjustment. we're having a party led by donald trump that's going to convince itself that everything went great in the midterm elections when they didn't. part of that is because the people left over in the party happen to be more trump than the
people who are kicked out of the party. there is some exceptions. that's what you're left with, a more trump republican party that won't be able to look at what happened and take any lessons from it. >> to the points, that pivot after the 2010 cycle saved the 2012 opportunity to hold the white house and i think that's the important piece here. the president is not making nor will he make the kinds of adjustments that are necessary and required of him. rekierquired to hold the house, right, from further losses and to keep that senate in tact. >> part of it, sorry, part of it is the congressional demands on the election. once he won -- >> which to be clear took their majority below the 60 vote threshold. >> you can't do everything but there was a huge amount of it on the hill. we'll talk about this but they forged forward with obamacare. but when your own members in the
house and senate are telling you to adjust your platform, you have to make adjustments and donald trump will be left with a more trump house and more trump senate and they will be to him. >> to that point, paul cane writes house gop women are confronting a political crisis. their party is mostly men. we need more women running for office, no doubt, liz chaney said. she's the most senior member of house leadership who is a woman on the republican side. congresswoman elyce could not agree more. she stood up and motioned to a room overwhelmingly filled with white male faces. take a look around she told the gop lawmakers, this is not reflective of the american public. she then asked congressman kevin mccarthy and jim jordan what their plans were to recruit and elect more women. i was really struck that i
didn't get an answer she says. jackie, you know, i actually asked mccarthy about this because their party is more white and more male than it was before the midterm elections and the gender gap is only getting wider. >> yeah, i mean, paul's piece had great statistics in there that, you know, the amount of women and house republicans decreased from 23 to 13 and that's up against 89 democratic women now in the house which is just like a startling gap there and women democrats, women 59% against 49%. those are big numbers and this is a white house of course denying they had a problem with women to begin with but i think you're going to see a problem here with not a lot of women in republican leadership, their interests aren't necessarily going to be effective. her response she was struck they didn't have an answer. >> they don't. that's the reality, they don't.
they don't have an answer. nick, let me just -- i will say play devil's advocate for a second and get your take because we have gone back and forth on the demographics, one election to the next and we saw the tea party wave in 2010 and we thought that means obama can't win, he did. after the 2012 autopsy, it was republicans are never going to win back the white house because they can't appeal to enough la tee latino voters. how much of this can we read into the future? >> it's fascinating. this is a period where turnout changes a lot from election to election in terms of who comes out and the structure matters in every election. it's not constant. it's not permanent. it changes. i think the reality is that trump's only choice to win reelection is the same way in the first place, he has to turn out white people all the time. he has to turn out the trump
base and govern in a way to thump out and excite them. the problem in the long term you can't be the party of the trump right and calling the alt right and be the party of the middle. you can't be the party of suppressing black votes and reach out to black voters. you can't be the party of women and have a president that calls ladies fat and stupid. you can't do them all. you have to choose. you can't build a collision if he won't change. >> speaking of, during an interview president trump expressed a lack of concern over acting attorney general matt whitaker's views on the russia investigation whitaker voiced publicly. >> i did not know that. i did not know he took views on the mueller investigation as such. >> when you found that out? >> i don't think it had any effect. if you look at the statements, the statements really can be viewed either way but i don't think -- >> he says there is no collusion. >> chris, i'll tell you what. >> he says you can starve the investigation. >> what do you do when a person is right? there is no collusion.
he said it. if he said there is collusion, i' i'm supposed to take somebody that is? the number one reason is the fact he would have been wrong. [ laughter ] >> meanwhile, senator jeff flake is pushing for legislation to protect mueller's role as special counsel but one key member of flake's party blocked that bill so far. >> not talk to the president fairly often. no indication that the mueller investigation will not be allowed to finish and it should be allowed to finish. i think it's in no danger. >> turning now to senator, we'll start with this question about robert mueller and chuck schumer the minority leader on the floor to add legislation to protect mueller to the upcoming must pass spending bill that led to the spending bill.
would you vote for that funding bill to shut down the government if there is not something attached to protect the special counsel? >> well, kasie, we're definitely seeing the equivalent of a saturday night massacre. the situation is such that sessions was fired because he wasn't willing to stop the mueller investigation and now the president has put someone in who has no other qualifications other than in the president's eyes, he's attacked the mueller investigation as unworthy, unfounded, unacceptable and so on and so forth. this is an effort to prevent the report from getting to capitol hill. it's extremely important. there are a number of legislative tracks that could be pursued but certainly the leverage of the spernending bil probably the most prominent. >> is that a question you would make this a do or die government shutdown moment? >> it is, first of all, let's be clear the republicans have the
majority, so they are in charge. if there is a shutdown, it's a republican shutdown but would i support a bill if there is no effort at all to protect mueller and this is our key strategy? probably i would oppose a bill if this was our key tool to get this done. this is a republican and democratic initiative and it has had support from people like lindsey graham and jeff flake and others saying that they do believe in justice. they do believe everyone is accountable and nobody is above the law. hopefully it will come down to democrats, republicans together standing up for the integrity of our judicial system and integrity of the mueller investigation. >> what do you think are the chances that setting aside what some discussed? there is an argument that is unconstitutional. is there a way to force and make sure congress and the public see whatever findings that mueller
has? >> yes, i believe so. there is maybe tricky leg eloque legal questions that have to be p figured out. right now under the law the attorney general can block it. and so that's a big concern if the report is completed, it won't make it into our hands. i feel the whole collection of the way president trump behave sd a is all about suppressing the investigation. >> i want to switch gears because we're coming up on thanksgiving seems like the appropriate time to talk about this. i want to show you another piece of the president's interview with chris wallace where he talks about not having visited veterans in afghanistan, excuse me, combat troops in afghanistan during his presidency. take a look. >> you're back in washington on
monday. veterans day. why don't you go across the river to arlington for that ceremony? barack obama went every year he was here in d.c. >> i should have done that. i was extremely busy on calls for the country. we did a lot of calling, as you know. >> but this is veterans day. >> i probably, you know, in retrospect i should have and i did last year and i will virtually every year but we had come in very late at night, and i had just left literally the american se american cemetery in paris and i really probably assumed that was fine. >> why haven't you visited our troops serving in war zones in iraq and afghanistan in the two years you've been in office as commander in chief? >> well, i think, you will see that happen. there are things that are planned. as you know, i was very much opposed to the war in iraq. i think it was a tremendous mistake. it should have never happened. i don't think anybody is more with the military than i am as a
president with the funding and things i've got them including the vets. i don't think anybody has done more than me. i had an unbelievable busy schedule. and i will be doing it. on top of which you have phony witch hunts, on top of which i mean we've just been busy. i will be doing that. >> senator merckly, the president says he's too busy see to go to arlington national cemetery on veterans day and visit troops overseas. i'm wondering your response. >> before i was elected to the senate i visited the troops in iraq and afghanistan and to see what is happening and talk to folks and talk to commanders and understand what it means to be so far away from home under very dangerous circumstances and what it means to the families because when the service person goes into foreign battle, really their whole family is so
profoundly accepted. it would be extremely meaningful. the president said yes, you're right. i should have done this. i'm going to in the future and so in the spirit of thanksgiving, i hope that he takes that to heart and does go visit our troops overseas. it's an important gesture for them and important gesture for his understanding and important to the families. >> senator, thank you for that sentiment and happy thanksgiving to you and your families. >> happy thanksgiving. thank you. let's talk about this a little more for a second. michael steele, i was on the surprise how direct he was and explaining the reason he has not done this is because he's quote too busy send quote. >> he was making calls for the country. that's a good thing. it's better than watching television, i guess. the reality is it for him that was important work. more important than getting in the car and going to arlington. and, you know, why are we trying to figure this out?
this man is who he is at this point, and the fact of the matter is on the scale of what is important and not important, he tells us by his actions and his words what his priorities are and clearly, he figured i did this thing in europe with all the dead american soldiers there. that should cover us. we're good. >> he actually missed one of the events. >> and he skipped one of those. >> a lot of people were hoping that going and feeling the weight of 100 years since world war i would strike him in someway to act more presidential or understand the gravity of his position and he also missed that completely and blamed it on his staff but i think we need to look at his public schedule. he had nothing on his schedule. >> that's a good point. >> the line that struck me is he retreated to his cocoon of bitterness. you know, it seems like there wasn't much going on. >> he tweeted nine times that day. one of which was this theory
about how california had mismanaged zone forest contributing to the fire. h he had time. he definitely had time to do stuff. he chose to do this thing. he is who he is but i think it matters. being the ceremonial commander in chief -- >> he's the commander in chief. >> this game is sill ry and eas to play but if obama did anything remotely close -- heads would have exploded on tv sets. fox news would devote days of endless broadcasting. we sit here now and say it's trump being trump. >> at this point in the obama presidency, he already visited iraq and afghanistan. >> i'm not in the school of let's give him room, no, no, no, hold his big feet to the fire. the fact of the matter is it only matters to the extent that
it matters to him and that's my point. it doesn't and we need to stop pretending it does. >> nick, last word to you. where do you fall? >> the president never mastered the ceremonial aspect of his office and it has cost enormously. it's a reason he's unpopular. he should get off twitter and do these things. people would respond to it. if he did these basic things better, it would be a huge boom to him politically. it's a self-interest thing if he sees it properly. >> thank you for your reporting tonight. appreciate you being here. coming up, the state of democracy in the united states, accusations of steeling, allegations of voter suppression, faulty equipment and bizarre ballots and before we go to break, president trump's high praise for scalia. make of this what you will. >> joining us for this ceremony is his wife maureen who is a
after a pair of drawn out races in florida, the dust has finally settled. just this afternoon after a hand recount, senator bill nelson conceded to rick scott. and in the race for governor, democrat andrew gillum conceded to ron desantis last night but the road that led to those results has been a messy one. >> i didn't win -- >> no, no. >> you have to come here and get people to change ballots. >> you can't do that. >> have you read the law? have you read the law? >> they did not deliver the votes as they had designed to do and it's all because of a piece of equipment here. the company that makes them is out of business. >> we literally are in a state where people cannot bubble inside the lines. grown adults cannot bubble inside the lines when they are selecting the person they want to vote for. >> senator nelson is clearly trying to commit fraud to win this election. that's all this is. >> do you believe democratic lawyers are trying to steal this
election? >> the answer is yes. >> and take a look at some of these aaccounts. it was very confusing when my husband opened his ballot. his first comment where is the senate race? another said i don't remember seeing the senate question and the senate race was very easy to overlook. that was messed up. those issues is why a federal judge in florida called his state the laughing stock of the world this week. meanwhile in georgia stacy abrams ended her campaign without conceding and accusing brian kemp of stealing the election. >> if stacy abrams doesn't win in georgia, it's clear, they stole it. i say that publicly. it's clear. >> i think that stacy abrams' election is being stolen from her. >> if she had had a fair election, she already would have won. >> the question is with the disarray in florida and georgia and talk of elections being stolen and in the case of
georgia having brian kemp oversee the election he was a candidate in, how can we expect voters to have complete trust? according to stacy abrams, we can't. do you consider the result in georgia to be legitimate? >> i think it's legal. i think it's wrong. what happened is we watched a systematic erosion of our democracy and over the course of time, that was over seen dire directly by my opponent in the race responsible for administration of fair elections and he didn't do so. >> michael steele, setting aside this question whether it was appropriate for a sitting secretary of state to oversee his owner election, the questions in general about the legitimacy of election results, we've seen the president talk about that pretty directly. it concerns me from both sides because if people can't have faith in their election results and we allow politicians to claim that their results were wrong, doesn't that
fundamentally undermine? >> before we get to the 2020 election for every state in the union to go back and reevaluate their voting process, look at the way the ballots are put together, to clarify where there may be confusion as some comments noted so as we go into what will be a very contentious presidential election in 2020, we can take this issue off the table. now, it won't be complete. we know that. i think in large measure when you look at how this played out, the actions taken by certain elected officials and candidates and comments made, things like that fed this beast. and you have to stop feeding that particular beast or fire in a way by putting in place the processes that you know will open up and show a lot of voters that this is a clean fair process. >> and sam, do you think stacy abrams has a point? >> absolutely. listen. this is very tricky conversation because on one hand, obviously,
you want to make sure there is trust in the system and the outcomes and you want to be able to accept the final tally. on the other hand, you can't ignore everything that precluded that. when you have 1.5 million people purged from the roles and 53 thousand people held up on the registration and four and a half hour lines to vote and the secretary of state overseeing the election, those all add to a sense of distrust in the process. you can't say we have this incredibly different process and seems problematic and the secretary of state is overseeing the election. when it's done you have to accept it. no, you have to build the trust up to have the trust. i think ultimately the answer is people just have to make it easier to vote. you have to provide machinery and locations. you have to make it easier for people to get to the polls and register. once you do that, you have to restore trust because democracy is more full. >> jackie, that runs into problems because there is a
perception that enabling more people to vote will result in democrats winning more elections. >> there is a pretty clear line of them between democrats and republicans on voting rights. democrats are pushing for reform. they want automatic registration. ways to make it easier for people to vote in 2020. florida passed an amendment to allow felons to vote. people are pushing for that in other states. but we'll see what happens. >> you can't -- >> i found this real quick. get rid of that myth. most of those guys tend to be conservative so you know. >> people are not totally convinced. >> i wouldn't bet all those votes will be democratic. here is the thing on the point. if you make your case, if you have good candidates making the case, you should never be afraid of the voters. >> would michael steele have said that? >> michael steele did say that. we were charged after the 2008 convention to look at our
process, i was the one that got an ear full from members when i proposed and recommended that we go to a national day as opposed to what we currently have and move it from the fall to a time that voters can better access is dark at 3:00 in the afternoon, 4:00. make it easier to happen be on the record. >> i think the one thing of voter progress in the election is making it easier for registration and ex felons and flip seats people say this has to be a voting issue itself. the power of the vote. >> people have to go to the polls voting on this. >> in order to get the right to vote. that's a messed up thing. that's becomeing what it's abou. >> hitting the speaker's gavel
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michael, if you ask nancy pelosi, that's why she's unpopular and that's the entirety. >> a lot of times it's not where you think it is or ought to be. in that cycle, nancy pelosi was the architecture behind moving the legislation behind obamacare. why focus on obama who was wawa from the situation. she was strategist. >> she was effective and a lot don't understand is that. >> let's bring in dianndianna, deputy running for majority width which is the number three
position in the democratic caucus. congresswoman, thanks for being here. it's great to have you. i want to start by asking about this race. you're taking on jim, how are you negotiating that challenge with some of your fellow members saying that that diversity is important? >> well, diversity is important and we need to remember that we have the house majority because of women. more women voted in this country than ever before and we have more women in the house than before. i started running this race before jim announced he was going to run for whip again. he's said he's interested in several different positions in the top three. but the reason i'm running is because i've been chief deputy for 14 years, i helped to whip the aca giving ehealth insuranc.
i do all the pro-choice whipping and helped plan parenthood. we'll have a really diverse and broad caucus and not as much of a majority as people think. i love jim. jim is my colleague. i worked with him for many years, i think i would be a great addition. >> i think with women, freshman members that said they wouldn't vote for her. how much potential trouble do you think nancy pelosi is in right now ahead of the floor vote or do you think she has it locked down? >> the issue is that to win in the caucus you need a majority but to be elected speaker, you
need the votes of the whole house, that's roughly 218 votes and i think that nancy will easily have the support of the caucus. the question is, there is a number of members about, i don't know, 11 or 12 current members and a member of the freshman that said on the campaign trail they wouldn't vote for her for speaker. i don't see that changing but as i've also said, you really can't beat somebody with nobody to this point nobody said they are running against her. >> so it sounds to me as though you disagree with nancy pelosi's assertion she has the votes already. >> you know, i don't know that, but i will say this, i've worked with nancy for many, many years. as i said, i've been chief deputy whip for a long time and helped her wipe the affordable care act. she's the best whip we have. maybe she does have the votes but i'm also being told by people that they still are saying they are not going to vote for her so i think we'll
see what happens. you know, if somebody thinks they can do a better job, they should step up and say so. >> do you think marsha fudge can do a better job? she's running. >> i don't know if marsha is or not. i haven't talked to her. >> what is your take on the idea republican votes could help her on the floor. the president has been running around saying this is possible for behind the scenes talk but seems far fetched to me. your take? >> that's only in the republica republicans' dreams. i don't think they can elect a speaker based on republican votes. i think if donald trump thinks it would be a good idea to have her as speaker, he's got another thought coming. >> perhaps he wants to be able to run against her. thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> see you on the hill. a quick programming note, tonight after "kasie d.c.," the
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senator. if mitch mcconnell it gets 65 to 70 votes in the senate. one of the most popular to pass. >> if you put this on the floor, you'll get 80 votes. most republicans and almost all democrats and let's do it for the end of the year and the president is behind it. mr. president, pick up the phone and call the republican leadership in the house and senate and say we run this place, bring this bill to the floor. >> he also said this is not ade a democratic problem this is a republican problem. it's republicans standing in the way of this. >> does mitch mcconnell want to bring it to the floor. this does have bipartisan support. this is the initiative his son-in-law has been working on for several years. >> with cory booker. >> and van jones and so there is a bipartisan collision here. the question is will mitch stop
it. i think it's an issue and tough on crime and worried this might dilute that messaging. you see tom cotton come out aggressively against this bill. you know, at some point the question is do you govern or do you consistently try to horde campaign issues? i don't know. >> there is no question in my mind this does fly against some of those, cotton is a good example. some of the hard line conservatives in the conference and for mitch mcconnell. there this is a risk. >> there is but the underlying narrative the party put itself in the law and order party. so this strikes a little bit against that because it is much more open to the types of reforms that they think would undermine the law in order of concept but it really doesn't. you've got such a broad base grouping of individuals who are
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