that's all for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. i have a hot thanksgiving tip for you. >> what's that? >> pie is now healthier than salad. >> is that true though? >> yes. it's 100% true. >> we deal in truth here even on the holidays. >> you go test it out. go eat some romaine lettuce and let me know how that goes. >> the only thing better than a long slow news toss is a to be continue toss. next time i see you we can compare thanksgiving notes. >> i have multiple pies for my thanksgiving, so we can. >> great. have great thanksgiving. >> you too. see you later. as for the beat, the news is not stopping for thanksgiving. we have a lot going on for

tonight's show. the chief justice of the supreme court condemning a sitting president. striking new details on trump's refusal to talk to mueller and why the interview got cancelled after a date and location camp david were set. we'll get into that later as well as more fall out from that bomb shell new york times story that donald trump tried to illegally prosecute his enemies. it's a very important story. this blue wave we have been reporting on is getting bigger as more ballots are counted. we begin with something truly unusual. a sitting chief justice of the supreme court rebutting a sitting president. justices typically speak through their rulings. they avoid any debates that could seem partisan. it's clear john roberts had a enough and speaking as a judge, a conservative from the same party as donald trump, robert's weighing in. not to add partisan fuel to the fire. his whole career suggests he

doesn't believe in that but to tell americans tonight as they get ready to gather around their holiday bemeals that donald tru was wrong. dangerously wrong when he reacted to another federal judge who acted to block trump's asylum ban by saying this. >> you go to the nineth circuit and it's a disgrace. i'm going to put in major complaint. you cannot win if you're a case in the nineth circuit. this was an obama judge. i'll tell you what, it's not going to happen like this anymore. >> this is important. trump's doing two things right there. first, he's trying to redirect the topic away from his major and quick loss in court in that immigration case and away from the real reasons for it to attack somebody else. we know that. we know that routine from a lot of his political work. second, this is the legal part. he's falsely suggesting that federal judge ruled against trump as some sort of partisan,

not on the merits of the case. that appears to be false. i can tell you tonight there's no public evidence, trump hasn't offered any, to impugn the judge's political approach to the case. this sounds a lot more like what trump does himself. trying to distort the legal processes of our country to attack his enemies. most lawyers would say it but tonight let's be clear, it's not just any lawyer but the most powerful judge in america who you see your screen. a plan with a lifetime tenure which mean he is can out last trump. he may have the final word on the mueller probe. he says we do not have obama judges or trump judges, bush judges or clinton judges. what we have is an extraordinary group of dedicated judges. he goes onto say they do their level best to do equal right to those appearing before them. that independent judiciary is something we should all be

thankful for. that's a thanksgiving message if you've ever heard one from the chief justice. let me tell you something i know from being a lawyer but you've probably observed from watching plenty of news coverage of the supreme court. these justices, regardless of how they rule or who appointed them, they tend to speak quite carefully. they don't pick political fights. sometimes they do draw a line. they corrode our rule of law and try to bend the justice system toward something yes, more authoritarian. why is roberts acting now? i was thinking about that on this holiday week. this isn't the first or the second or the third time that donald trump has lashed out at our independent judiciary nor the first time that concerned citizens have asked for our leaders, particularly those in position like roberts to stand up to rebuke this president and use their independence against

his corrosive partisanship. why now? well, this is a week where it's become undeniable that donald trump is not making simply some sort of rhetorical attack with regard to misusing the justice department or learning on the job as president. donald trump's literally trying to get his domestic opponents indicted while his lawyers are demanding an end to the probe into his white house. while also installing a staffer as now basicing attorney general who has criticized the mueller probe repeatedly and pushing to kpa campaign and oust and prosecute another witness.mueller probe r pushing to campaign and oust and prosecute another witness.who h probe repeatedly and pushing to campaign and oust and prosecute another witness. they're saying we're seeing a different standard that applies to his enemies. all this that comes after a report that he tried to fire bob public schooler as

mueller as recently as december. any one of those elements could be a crime of obstruction. together a prosecutor or a congress could find all of those things are grounds for much more, which is why trump's own lawyers, we reported last night, warned him of impeachment over just some of that and why any process to hold trump accountable may wind up before the supreme court, which bringings brings it's all full circle where one justice is not waiting to take a first punch on behalf of that institution but is moving first for judicial independence and clearly against donald trump. those are my thoughts. i'm eager to turn to my panel. maya, you know how careful john

roberts is. you know how he happens to be on many legal issues on the more conservative side of jurisprudence. what does it tell you? >> it tills ell us that donald has crossed the line for justice roberts. it's not a new line. this is the donald trump that attacked a federal judge for making a ruling based on his mexican heritage and suggesting that somehow he was not able to make independent decisions because of his mexican heritage. it's far from the first time i'd say donald trump's attack on an independent judiciary are second only to his attack ons the nes media. i'm wondering what the interview process is looking for the white house turkey in terms houf it wi -- of how it will be pardoned. i expect there's a long list of

questions about its loyalty to donald trump. >> i haven't thought about that. you bring ideas we haven't fully processed. you think there might be corrupt approach to the turkey pardon? >> i think the turkey is going to have to demonstrate that it will violate the constitution in order to save its life. >> as is sometimes the case these days. i don't know whether to laugh or shed a tear for our republic. take a listen to the prior examples that maya mentions that i mentioned as well that didn't bring this response from jfustie roberts where donald trump goes after judges. take a look. >> it was a political decision made by a judge. i think it's a disgrace. >> a judge has just blocked our executive order on travel. you don't think this was done by a judge for a political reasons do you?

no. >> listen, i'm grateful that judge roberts came out and said what he said. i think it's incredibly important. what's disturbing is we have one incredibly powerful statement from a chief justice but that has to go up against time and time again the president of the united states impugning the court and the nation's institutions. that creates a narrative over time where a lot of americans, especially those who are in the president's base, start to just not have faith in our institutions. that's really where the most damage is done. it's kind of a gradual chipping away of faith and institutions. that's when we're primed to not just one another. it's when we're primed to see our political opponents as en y

enemies instead of fellow americans. when the president tweeted this afternoon in response to the chief justice, it was another disturbing response again on twitter. surprise, surprise. the president said sorry, chief justice, sorry roberts, these are obama justices as though barack obama was an ill legitimate president or the millions of american who is voted for him are ill legitimate. it's wrong and it's dangerous and it continues. >> malcolm, given your expertise in how other countries do this and obviously the donald trumps be beefs are carefully selected. they are not random. they are with the institutions that have power. we in the media have some type of influence and power. we try to exercise it responsibly. judges have a lot of power. they have life tenure and the intelligence community that you

were a part of has a type of power and fact finding that he resents. take a look at donald trump going after those institutions that concern john roberts tonight. >> should james comey be locked up? >> what he did was criminal? should he be locked up? let somebody make a determination. >> i'm going to ask my attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to look into her crimes. >> comey is leaker and he's liar. he's guilty of crimes. >> she should be in prison. >> special prosecutor here we come. >> malcolm. >> what you just saw there is a litany of activities and words designed to fundamentally destroy the foundations of american jurisprudence, american politics, american law enforcement, american intelligence. donald trump is the living

embodiment, of the state is me. he views himself as the single and sole arbitor of what is instituti constitutional and what is american. there would be a ruler who commences as a demagogue but ends as a tyrant. i think we're at the tyrant point now. >> that's hamilton and -- >> all at the same time. >> does that beat the turkey or does the turkey still -- >> turkey still in trouble. i'm sticking with the turkey. james madison is also the one responsible for drafting the impeachment language in the constitution.

we should quote him as well and he's also one that's very near and dear to the federalist society. >> mara, do you have a turkey thought before i bring in a congressman? >> if i was a turkey, i would not want to be anywhere near president trump. wouldn't want to be anywhere near him in general. >> if you knew the right people, if you were a turkey that knows kim kardashian, you're better offer und off under this system. stay with me as we mix -- we're mixing the light in the dark. not unlike the meat at a thanksgiving -- >> mix the meat. >> every one stay with me. we're going to bring in a congressman. i'll have to be slightly more formal. congressman, i'm not going to ask you to weigh in on some of our turkey talk. >> thank you. >> unless you want to. as a member of the judiciary

committee, walk us through how unusual it is. have you ever seen a chief justice do this to a sitting president, stand up in this way? what does that tell you and what is your committee going to do with all of these issues we just laid out? i don't need to repeat them that are ripe for oversight in january. >> it's very flusunusual. i've never seen anything like there. i think it's very significant. i think it demonstrates the graver concern that the chief justice has about the president's language and actions. it's a fundamental misunderstanding of this president who doesn't really respect the independence and integrity of the judiciary. he tries in the same we he tries to diminish the judiciary,minis. they hold elected officials accountable. as the chief justice said, we have to be very thankful because our democracy is being really

tested. i think the independent judiciary has been very important to upholding the rule of law and to demonstrate are our country of laws and no one is above the law. i think the chief justice statement will give some of my republican colleagues some backbone and allow them to weigh in and condemn these efforts to undermine the independence or integrity of the judiciary. >> congressman, one ofrt big questi -- of the big questions is how other people will deal with what's been exposed about this president. we are learning about the illegal attempt to get enemies prosecuted when matt whittaker is the attorney general and the question if he would be down with that than some other people. i'll show you what he said that the trump doj could re-open a clinton case. take a look. >> long story short is there's plenty of evidence to support a criminal charge. i think anything under the

espionage act which is the criminal section could be justified here. >> i could imagine in this world that we live in that a trump administration could open this case and relook at these charges however petty that might seem to some. >> is that wrong? should he be the acting attorney general and what, if anything, will your committee do about it when you take charge in january? >> it's dead wrong. he should not be the acting attorney general. he was yanked out because he's the political hatchet man for the president. this is part of the president's ongoing efforts to do two things. to undermine or stop or impede the investigation by mr. public schooler -- mueller and continue to promote this idea of prosecuting his political adversarie adversaries. we don't lock up political poenpoen opponents. we beat them at the ballot box. this conversation is reminiscent of the enemy's list of richard

nixon. it has no place in our politics. mr. whittaker does not belong as acting attorney general. he's not senate confirmed. he didn't met the succession requirements. his disqualified in terms of overseeing the russia investigation because of his opinions on it already and the positions he's taken publicly. this is a terrible mistake. the first thing i hope the judiciary committee will do once in democratic hands is to bring mr. whittaker before the committee and find out what happened with the firing of jeff sessions and how mr. whittaker was hired and what consideratves took place at the white house. >> i'm curious as we widen out from just the law, as a student or observer of donald trump, what do you think about the counter productive risk he's taking. he's beefing with john roberts, someone he can't fire who could have the final word on the

mueller probe, efforts to subpoena trump and other big important questions. >> i mean what's really scary about this president is he continues to not just push the law but push norms. there by forcing congress, almost challenging them, daring them to stop him. politically it's very difficult even under a democratic house. it's going to be very difficult to spend the time to actually subpoena and hold accountable his administration because these democrats promised voters and every one promised voters that they would focus on health care, on jobs. that's really very important. the problem that the president is forcing their hand and the congress is going to have to make a very difficult political decision and donald trump is making their jobs much harder. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, democrats

will be able to do both. we're going to driver down health care costs, prescription drugs, rebuild the infrastructure for our country and take on this serious corruption in washington. we can do all of that but still fulfilling our responsibilities under the constitution to do a meaningful oversight. >> can't wait to see it. >> that's why i wanted to have you as part of this discussion because you're giving a little context to what mara is identifying which is a real tension here. because we're over on time, we just didn't get to those turkey pardon issues with you. maybe next time. >> good enough. happy thanksgiving. coming up, new reports of what bob mueller told trump's lawyers about why he needed to talk to trump about the comcome firing. what don mcgahn knows from his time in the white house and why he had some trump aides so

nervous. progressive star coming out in support of nancy pelosi. later, i have a very special thanksgiving interview with the one and only anderson paak. we'll talk music, activism and it's up on roof. you're watching "the beat" on msnbc.

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meeting with bob mueller. the ap reporting the date was even set. they say it was going to be on january 27th. donald trump, bob mueller but it was called off. trump would have just returned from a two day trip to the world economic forum in switzerland. we know that from matching the time line and he would have been preparing for his state of the union just days later. this whole new report sheds lite on what is the real story here. the back and forth between donald trump as the client, his lawyers representing him and bob mueller's team. scrapped when mueller told them this. he needed to know if donald trump had quote, corrupt intent when he fired james comey. why would that be such a scary question? mueller wanted this interview and it was scrapped and one lawyer fired off a letter on donald trump's behalf saying not only was the meeting cancelled but they questioned the entire

authority of bob public schoomu. we learned this today. john, i wonder what you think of a, the fact that they got as far as a camp david plan to do the interview. b, it's leaking now. that looks like trump's side leaking trying to make him look tough like he was ready to do an interview that he backed down on. three, since i know you're a good lawyer, you can handle multiple part questions. rudy giuliani saying that if they do come back with a mueller subpoena, they will refuse to cooperate with it. john. >> then they are cooperating now. rudy giuliani has never cooperated. this has been a kabuki dance from the beginning that trump really wants to speak when he knows unlike cobb and dodd who

said we trusted them and thought we would give a million different documents and 20 different witnesses from the white house. going back to the first thing which is the defense that he doesn't have the authority to talk. i have the order in front of me. the second part of it says any matters arose or may arise directly from the investigation like say obstruction. the first part of it is any links and coordination between the russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of donald trump. again, the nonfactual president that we have is contradicted by the facts, the document, the law. i believe that if he does answer any question even in print, i know some people don't think interrogatories are helpful -- >> i don't. >> they sign at the bottom. you have the lawyers having him write things that they are reviewing when they don't know

the truth any better than anybody in this case because you can't trust what he says unless he admits to something. i think they are making a case for mueller's subpoenaing him. mueller can say i've done every alternative way i could to get at facts and i couldn't. they told us these things and they weren't true. please put down the challenge to this subpoena. that's what i think we're going to see. the mueller thinks he needs anything else, that's what i think he'll do. >> maya, john is making a couple of legal points. these written answers are, in his view, not worthless although every one knows they are weaker than sitting down during an interview. donald trump knows that that's why he's blustering he was willing to do the interview. number two, mueller may have a strategy to exhaust remedies before saying i need to subpoena him.

number three, i want your view as well on another leak we have tonight. rudy giuliani showing a little leg, as they say, saying one of the questions was about whether trump knew at the time in 2016 about his son meeting with the russians at the tower or the russian hacks. i definitely want your view on what that tells us as well as anything else that john mentioned. >> i think let's start with the fact that donald trump has never wanted to answer questions on obstruction of justice and why would he when he publicly stated on television that he had the mueller investigation in mind when he fired james comey, which means that suggests corrupt intent. he has a very hard time answering questions around obstruction that don't either reenforce that he had corrupt intent or get him on perjury. he's got a problem and he knows it. i think secondly we should not on the interrogatories not

believe for a minute that donald trump drafted those answers in his lawyers looked at them later and tweaked it and it's so important that he answers them in a way that would make it very difficult to have a definitive answer which is why they're not usually helpful. >> let me go do john. viewers will remember when jared kushner made his statement he hadn't relied on russian money. that's not a statementinvestmen. relied become a giant loophole you can drive a truck through. final word. >> the thing that interested me that i want to supplement is the question they were objecting to was during the campaign when he was a private citizen running for president whether or not he knew about that meeting that day. there's a phone call and the question is since it was blocked

was that a conversation between don junior and dad about this very meeting. it's impossible to believe this is such a control freak he's figgfig -- figured out who that call was too. perhaps that's why a decent lawyer wouldn't want him to answer that question. >> we know the call looks suspicio suspicious. we don't know whether that call helps or hurts trump. >> i would never use hinky. if i was in mueller's office i would be fanning through my files and looking that up. i have a feeling given what you can do to technology, they know who that phone call was made to. >> let's see if we hear any leaks about whether john junior will be interviewed.

>> i got to fit in a 30-second break. thank you as always. when we come back, democrats basicbreaking another record today. we'll be back in 30 seconds. george woke up in pain. but he has plans today. hey dad. so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪ the other top story tonight, forget trump. allow about the people taking charge in washington. democratic opposition to nancy pelosi was small. it does appear to be crumbling

further. the blue wave has been tabulated to be larger than thought. new ballots counted in house races revealing democrat candidates have an 8.8 million vote edge nationwide over republicans. now that is a larger margin than any national return in a midterm election this period since 2000. that includes since their tea party victory on the republican side. at the same time, democratic leadership picture is coming into dpfocus. one of the new stars of this congress, alex ocasio-cortez announcing her formal support for nancy pelosi. one of those democrats who signed a letter is now reversing him. marsha fudge said she is out of

the running sbentirely. it's one of the several types of deals that nancy pelosi knows how to make. it's what keeps her in charge and it's also what many democrats say has made her so effective. >> i think nancy pelosi will go down as one of the most effective legislative leaders this country has ever seen. >> i'm joined by political science professor and dorian brown. a lot to get to. christina, i begin with you. you look at nancy pelosi on her way here. i'm reminded of another boss, also with florida roots. rick ross who tasays, i said i s the boss and nobody made a sound. it was almost uncontroverted.

is that what we're seeing here? >> when i was growing up and i would get a little froggy, my dad would look at me and say you better ask around. that was his way of letting me know he's got friends. i think that's nancy pelosi. i keep telling my students, i've been saying this for years. she is nancy from baltimore. she is not a wall flower from wine country in california. she is the one who the architect behind the passage of the health care bill. she's the first female majority leader ever in the history of our nation. she's not new to this. she's true to this. the fact that allots of folks a falling in line quickly and quietly, let s us know that nany pelosi knows how to get things done. >> you're saying she is the boss. >> she is the boss. i wouldn't cross it. >> who's the boss? >> i'm going to extend prof pror

greer's analysis to something we have on tape which is ask around. one of these members of congress who was flirting with trying to oppose pelosi got on earful. take a look. >> the majority of the democrats want there change. i just think there are amazing leaders in our party. >> who? >> this feels like such a slap in the face. >> i'm targeted. i'm old and i'm a woman. >> don't you realize this hurts people. >> strong passion there from some grass roots citizen, democrats saying no. why would you slap in the face of pelosi when she's leading the victory. >> grass roots is on fire on the progressive and democratic side and which democrats are benefitting from, even the moderate ones. they will continue to be on fire. it's not just an anti-trump

fire. it's a thirst for affirmative policies that will change people's lives. that's why you see all these policies that have been branded socialist the last ten years or so, now getting all the support even in red places. think of medicaid expansion or the minimum wage increase in two red states. the polling around medicare for all has been increasing. there's a fire and a hunger at the grass roots. it's why you see increased turn out, yes, on both sides but among infrequent voters of color on the progressive side. >> christina. >> this is all happening many the shadow of kavanaugh. there's a lot of female voters who feel like we're in a moment now where if you have a talented woman who has shown she knows how to do her job and has done it well, the fact that so many people in her party and so many republicans are calling for her to sit down. i think there's some age issues and some gender issues as one of the constituents said that is

really resonating with some voters. when you see the new bench that is a lot of women color but a lot of women in the democratic party, i think there's certain issues that women fight for and nancy pelosi because she's been around for quite some time has been the leader in that. i think these next few weeks will show us the future in face of the democratic party, the real grass roots sporupporters. >> that's an important point. there's a lag as the power enters the congress. we have been reporting on this. the age of congress has dropped by a decade. it's the most gender diverse in american history. we'll see the lag camp tch up a people take positions and socialize within the democratic caucus. thank you and happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. coming up, the lawyer from trump's inner circle who would turn into his biggest headache. what the former white house

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in that new york times bomb shell this week it was donald trump's former white house counsel don mcgahn who was the key person stopping trump in trying to order the illegal prosecution of his opponents, hillary clinton and a key witness in the mueller probe, james comey. bob mueller would know that but donald trump wasn't know what else mcgahn has dished on. as he was leaving the white house he did clash with trump and trump blamed him for mueller's entire appointment. he doesn't know what elbob mcga has said. he was part of firing of mike flynn, the firing of james comey. jeff sessions decision not to recuse, these other attempts to fire bob mueller and the new report that trump wanted to prosecute clinton and comey.

mcgahn is reportedly cooperating exten extensively. over 30 hours of interview. every one agrees mcgahn was in the center of everything. >> the counsel to the president is a appointed position directly answerable to the president. it's the primary legal adviser to the president. >> that vovrs yinvolves you in about everything. >> unfortunately, yes. >> hard for you to say i didn't do it. >> i'm joined my michael conway who wrote part of the report recommending richard nixon's imp peachment. is the attempted investigation of political enemies, clinton and comey, worse than the original comey firing from a legal perspective and do you think don mcgahn has detailed all of that to mueller? >> sure. don mcgahn was at ground zero.

he's seen all these things first hand. he's an eyewitness. he will be mueller's most important witness. in this case, there's no privilege. he's not donald trump's personal lawyer. he's the white house lawyer. he's the government's lawyer. he's met with mueller many times for many hours. there's a good reason for that. if you go back to watergate, judge dean was a neophyte lawyer. when he realized he was going be scapegoated and the one that would be blamed for the cover up, he went to the prosecutors. richard nixon did his best to keep the prosecutors from hearing dean's testimony. he talked to assistant attorney general peterson who was the head of the criminal division and said do not give dean immunity. he thought he wouldn't talk. >> your point is other than the audio tapes, john dean, as white house counsel was one of the most incriminating things

against nixon? >> his testimony was amazing. he had sump ch detail. the tapes came out and corroborated his version sometimes verbatim. >> mcgahn would be the new dean with the same job. here was john dean talking about all this this week. >> if i had to channel a little of richard nixon, i think he'd tell this president he's going too far. this is what an autocrat does. this is a level that richard nixon n didndidn't go to. where he went after somebody's personal well being by a criminal prosecution. >> based on your knowledge of how the house interplays, what should the house do to preserve mueller and to get the mcgahn material out to the public if you think that's a worthwhile goal? >> absolutely. first of all, they should put a

subpoena before -- to mcgahn. he's now a private citizen. but a subpoena to the white house asking his notes be preserved. hopefully mueller will write a report. one thing mueller can do, assuming he's not blocked by wl whittaker, he can release his information to the house judiciary committee which will be very interested in knowing about this. >> those 30 hours are all private now. regardless of what mueller finds, the context from this white house counsel could go to the house and go public? >> absolutely. that was the decision made by leon jawarsky. mueller could turn that over to state prosecutor's. >> sean diddy says i don't have to talk it because i live it.

we appreciate you talking about it. >> i appreciate talking turkey with you. >> have a good one on that. we take a turn of something we're all thankful. anderson paak right here. you see him with me. we'll get into a big conversation and his timing before he debuted on snl. >> elderly people -- >> are you kidding me? the worse. today...

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we're back on the roof and i'm joined by anderson paak working with a coalition of people on criminal justice reform. great to have you. you've worked with people like kendrick lamar and dr. drey. you're doing this criminal justice work. why is this important to you? >> it's hugely important to me. it affected my family, affected my mom. my pops did 14 years. there's a lot of people in prison doing years for something they shouldn't be doing, and there's no attention being put on the topic. so anything i can do to help as a musician, even if it's just offering my time, playing a show, i'm down for it. >> and you've got success now. you're working with some of the biggest acts. you were homeless for a time. how did that affect you? >> it just gave me like a story.

it's dope that something didn't happen super overnight for me. honestly i feel the mudssic mor people that have more of a story. >> maxine waters has a bill that would give more funding to emergency rental units to homeless families, try to get more kids off the streets. do you think it's important we see people who are homeless as people? >> things that start before you're homeless, what happens before that, there's nobody that puts enough attention into what they have going on mentally. so i think investing into that is a good thing. >> you have a music video. we basically see donald trump come up as a monster.

>> he's funny looking and he does like horrible things so it's like, you know, i feel like why not troll him back. >> trump's tax cut, 83% of the benefits go to the wealthiest people. >> right. >> that might benefit you and some of the people you're working with. >> yeah, it's crazy because at this stage i'm at now i'm like, damn, some of things he does actually benefits me because i'm in a different tax bracket now. but that still don't mean -- >> would you trade your tax cut back to get rid of trump? >> hell no, but i would definitely do what i can to support to people on the other side of the fence. there's thing he's supporting i'm not with. >> i think it's fair to say you've overcome more than not

just the tiypical musician but more than any people have to deal with. >> just staying out of trouble, getting caught up, you just got to stay focused and on the path of what makes you happy and keeps you building. >> one thing about hip hop it's always exploring historic influences. scar face was into the movie scar face. you're really into all these old surfer movies and surfer culture. where did that come from? >> i'm from ventura county and oxnard, some of the best surfers, skaters. i wanted to bring people into the music. surfing i think it goes so hand in hand with life. it's the hardest thing to catch a wave. that's life, man. and then if you catch one you just ride it out, enjoy it, you know? so it's like catching a hit

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some of the worst things wave heard about donald trump's attacks on the rule of law this week are known as we've emphasized by his white house counsel. and question whether don mcgahn will ever publicly testify the way another white house counsel once did. take a look. >> i began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency, and if the cancer was not removed the president

himself would be killed by it. i also told him that it was important this cancer be removed immediately because it was growing more deadly every day. >> we'll be waiting and watching when the new congress convenes. i want to wish you all a happy thanksgiving and tell you this friday we have a special thanksgiving edition of our show and a very special fall back friday. wile be joined by the members of the new edition in a new interview. "hardball" is up next. supreme rebuke. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. in a rare statement chief justice john roberts from the supreme court today issued a stunning rebuke of the president for challenging the integrity of a federal judge. it began yesterday when the president questioned the independence of the judiciary saying that a