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craig melvin in new york. >> good to see you. good morning. craig mel bin here. speaking at the memorial service. this happening as fears escalate of going to war with iran. also alabama lawmakers pass the most restrictive abortion bill in the country. are we headed for a collision course on the supreme court. ask ckamala harris wrapping up a town hall meeting in new hampshire right now after announcing a new action to crackdown on guns. we'll get to that in just a moment. we start with president trump's mixed messaging and credibility as well on iran. today the united states has pulled nonemergency staff out of its embassy in iraq. that despite the president saying tuesday he's not wrapping up the war. allies left him in a bit of a
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daze. "the new york times" saying foreign leaders appear skaept skept call that the threat level had increased. like wise "the washington post" reports lawmakers for both parties complain that the white house has not fully briefed them on the escalating tensions. we start with peter alexander. he's at the white house. is there an overall strategy here? folks are saying it feels a bit ad hoc. >> it is a good question as has been reported in recent days. there were private conversations where the act iing secretary presented to some of the national security officials of the idea of having 120,000 american troops able to go to that region. this was an updated military plan. if they find iran is moving forward, accelerating the nuclear weapons program or if there's other real concerns as it relates to iran in that region. the president, as we heard yesterday on this topic, was pushing back saying that was
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fake news. but also pushing forward saying it there were a real concern it would be a hell of a lot more than 120,000 troops he note d. in the past this idea was in part a function of his national security adviser john bolton who has been a fierce hawk as relates specifically to iran and other nations around the world. the president said at times he has to temper john bolton here, but what's notable is we know the position on this dating back to the campaign. where he campaigned his themes included this idea of pulling troops out of countries like afghanistan and iraq and syria. as it relate s s to what's been going on in iraq, that partial evacuation of the embassy in baghdad. we're hearing from some republicans allies of the white house expressing frustration they have not been fully briefed on the circumstances behind that. take a listen to lindsey graham a short time ago.
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>> i would urge the state department and dod to come down here and explain to us what's going on. because i have no idea of what the threat stream is beyond what i read in the paper. there's a the lot of people in my shoes that are going to support standing up to iran, but we need to understand what we're doing. >> to be clear, behind the scenes here within the administration, there are some sharp divisions. some people think we need to be much more hawkish in the circumstance. they sort of embrace what they have been seeing in recent days others are concern they are scare tactics designed to send a message to iran that should be more tempered. >> richard engel, our chief foreign correspondent joining the conversation. this idea that this could be part of a strategy that this administration is elm ploying, a strategy that we have seen employed recently in other spots around the world. >> we saw this or something
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similar to this in north korea. we're seeing a hint of it with china. north korea is probably the clearest example where you had tough rhetoric and tough tweets from president trump, threats of war, threats of fire and fear ri and then it led to negotiations, which so far haven't really panned out, which did lead to a pullback from the brink of conflict. but there's a big difference here. no one really want ed a war wit north korea. everyone was warning the president was saying this could have catastrophic consequences with millions potentially dead in south korea and in other places. it's very different here because there are several including bolton who was pushing for regime change for a long time. also several other leaders who have the president's ear. like israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has been pushing forstrikes, military
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action against iran for a long time. he wanted the bush administration to do it. bush said no. he wanted obama to do it. he went the opposite way and did a deal with iran. he broke that deal and now benjamin netanyahu is in a somewhat more stable is position because he settled his political future at home. also the am ratties have been pushing for strikes for a long time. so it's not a situation to north korea, but it may be a similar strategy and if it is, it does not mean you're going to have the same results, which i think why we're seeing a lot of skepticism from european allies in particular spain went so far to pull one of its warships from that aircraft that the u.s. sent is. spain said it didn't want any part of this. it thought the aircraft battle
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group was going there to commemorate a naval anniversary and suddenly it's now there as a show of force against iran with talk of war and talk of consequences, so spain said it's pulling out. >> two other assetments on the threat itself, whether there's an actual increased threat from iran. the german foreign minister today saying there's no concrete threat. on tuesday a british general working with american efforts to defeat isis has been no increased threat from iran forces in syria. who does believe there's a threat from iran? >> some of the people i just talked to have this idea that iran needs to be contained. and it's a long trajectory. you have to look at presidential politics at foreign policy over the series of several administrations.
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the same way there were people who wanted dick cheney and others whoed a war with iraq. they saw an opportunity with the second president bush and pushed that agenda. others wanted to topple the then popular prime minister going back generations now. the british wanted to do that for their own interests and the. truman wouldn't do if they found eisenhower would. so you can have situations where those are pushing for a foreign policy agenda and have to wait for different administration, wait for different opportunities in order for their moment to strike. >> richard engel in london, thank you. we turn now to alabama.
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the state senate passed an abortion law banning all abortions in that state including in cases of rape and incest. those performing abortions in alabama could face up to 99 years in prison. so far in all, alabama has company, 29 states have introduced abortion restrictions so far this year. in huntsville, josh moon, a reporter and clumist with the alabama political reporters. bring us up to speed. what does this measure mean and do we know whether the governor is going to sign it? >> we do not know whether the governor is going to sign it. she's a republican. she's not commented public ally but all indications are the bill passed right here last night will be signed by the governor.
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she has six days to sign it. currently, the structure in our modern times is still a little old school. they don't just e-mail the bill toer her. it has to be physically taken to her office. it's not been delivered to her office yet as best we understand. the governor is is not in her office now. she's currently at an event, which is completely unrelated to this bill. but what this law in alabama will do, as you note, it will be the most restrictive in the country. among should have been included because there were amendments were suggestions there be exceptions for inn zesrape. that was not include. it was debated here on the floor but not included. and another thing that makes it different from the bills we have seen in other states is that while in georgia life begins the moment a fetal heartbeat is
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detected, in this case, in alabama, the law is nebulous on purpose because it says that an abortion is is restricted the moment a woman discovers that she is pregnant. so that would happen weeks or months because it's up to each woman to determine with their doctor or on their own whether they are indeed pregnant or not. the reason those who wrote the bill did it this way, they say, is is because they want to get it to the supreme court in the united states and have the supreme court rather than legislators determine the moment life begins. and so while as i pointed out georgia has a different version of this. the general belief is that this alabama law, the most restrictive is likely to be the one that makes it before the u.s. supreme court. for a determination, which is is a challenge to the 1973 law roe v. wade.
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>> josh, let me bring you into the conversation here and read for our viewers. stop telling people that alabama is better than this. it's not. walk us through your take on this late night vote. >> yeah, first of all, the governor is absolutely going to sign this. it's just a foregone conclusion. this is a republican plan. she's the republican governor. they know what's going to happen. this was all lined up well before this session ever started. no one in alabama wrote this bill. the bill is way too smart for our people to have written it. so that's where we are with this. this is all a ploy. this is all a ploy for us to get our name attached to some sort of a bill that possibly overturns roe v. wade. this is the droem of our legislators here to apparently force 12-year-old girls to carry
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rape baby s ies to term. why this is what we do, i don't know. this is who we are. we have a number of people who continue to tell everyone that we're better than this. people in alabama, our people care more and love each other more. we proved time and time again that's not the case. we do these all things all of the time. and i'm sick of hearing people tell everyone that we're better than this. the fact is our actions say we're not better than this. >> what kind of local reaction is this ban getting in alabama so far? what are people on the ground saying? >> i think you'll have two different factions. you'll have a vocal minority, a very small minority of people who are outraged by what has taken place here. you saw a lot of them outside the state house yesterday. and there will be some of those. but the majority of the state is right on board with this. the majority of the state ele
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elected these people based on, in part, their colleges to go to state government and overturn roe v. wade and protect the unborn. this is the reality of where we live. >> josh, thank you. kerry sanders, thank i want to bring in state senator linda madison. she's one of six state senators who voted against this plan. senator, just your reaction to the ban. what will it mean for the women of alabama? >> i'm appalled i think it's a setback for the women of alabama and the women of the whole yooits. we fought so long for the rights that we have and now these rights are slowly being taken away from us. this is the most precious type of right that we have. the right to govern your own body and decide what you will do and debate those decisions about your own health. >> as i understand it, there's an amendment you proposed that would have provided prenatal
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care to mothers. but it failed. why? >> it did. we say this bill is about pro life. we say it's about the sanctity of life and helping people grow up to be nurtured. this bill said that, okay, if you're going to force this woman to have this child, irrespective of the fact all the issues about her mental state of mind or keep a child if she was raped, certainly it takes a lot of support. so this amendment would have d added the stipulation that if she's forced to have this child, the state would pay for prenatal care, give support to that woman up until age 13. if prescribed by her doctor that she needs to have psychological or other medical care, the state would provide for that. that was voted down in spite of the fact that you just said you wanted this woman to be protected. you wanted justice for her. you wanted to give her support.
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that statement was made prior to me introducing that amendment. >> if the governor signs this bill as she's expected to do, according to to our reporter we just had on here from alabama. what's the next step? how do you plan to fight this? >> right now, the fight is really going to be at the supreme court. we understand the intent of this bill is not about pro life. it's about taking away the choice. it's about control. and i'm wondering what's going to happen next. as look at the supreme court, the intent is to reverse roe v. wade. if that happens, this becomes a supreme law of the land in the state of alabama. and every other state will be looking at alabama's law and taking the pattern to pass similar laws. so this is going to be a constant rollback of other rights slowly chip iping away.
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i think there's a silent majority, a sleeping elephant. those women who believe in protecting their rights and protecting the rights of their children in particular females so it has unintended consequences that i don't think the sponsors have thought about. >> where were those women in alabama during this debate? why weren't they able to defeat this bill? >> we are in the minority. there are four women in the alabama state senate. i think there are 18 women in the house. so we are in the minority. we are a majority led male dominated legislative body. most of the bills introduced originally when they first came down were introduced by men. several years ago we had the probing bill all about the abortion rights of women. this was introduced by a male. the whole intent was that we. the woman to see what this fetus looks like. we want her to see it.
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do you understand what no means. to me, this is rape again all over. and so it's a violation of her rights and invasion of her body and they were willing to strap her down and probe her to look at this infant on the screen to say that maybe you'll change your mind now. so this is not the first time that we have fought this battle. until women mobilize, until men understand that you're talking about your wife, possibly your mother, your child, your daughter, understand that this has long-term ram aifications a really feel it personally, that's the only way it's going to hit home. >> thank you for your time. some breaking news a few moments ago. the treasury secretary and irs wrapped up testimony on capitol hill. this is the secretary's first testimony since refusing to comply with the subpoena from
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president trump's tax returns. during the testimony, secretary clarified how much contact he and his office have had with the white house on this issue. >> our legal department originally early on in this process before we received any request did have a discussion, but it was not to seek guidance or anything else. that was way before we received any requests. that was just in the legal department. i have not had any discussions with the president or taken any are direction from him or anybody else in the white house on this issue. >> there you have it. a a few moments ago. also today he talked about negotiations with china. quote, there's still a lot of work to do. let's make a deal. donald trump jr. agreeing to testify in front of the intel committee. what changed and the restrictions on his testimony. how some 2020 democrats are going all out to woo the
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the president's son agreeing to testify before the senate intelligence committee despite complaints from the president and his allies. trump jr. ready to defy the subpoena until late monday when the panel reached out to his legal team to talk about a deal.
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the source close to donald trump jr. telling nbc he's expected to testify in mid-june. he will be under oath. the questions will be limited to five or six topics. he's going to be there for two to four hours. joined by the former u.s. attorney, former assistant director for the office of congressional affairs at the fbi, greg, good to have you. thank you for your time. they will try win him down. it comes from the republican chairman here. what's the goal? >> this is a bipartisan effort led by both chairman burr and warner. which is the way that this committee typically has done things. and apparently the committee is concerned with his prior testimony believing that either it was misleading or it has been contradicted by the mueller report or other testimony. it seems to me what the chairman
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want to do is simply to pin him down and understand what his testimony is and proceed accordingly. so nothing unusual here. he's not the sort of witness like a bob mueller or a don mcgahn b that should be testifying in an open public hearing. this is more like a deposition of a fact finding exercise. i'm not surprised the committee has insisted upon donald trump jr.'s appearance. >> it doesn't sound like you expect there's going to be a bomb shell revealed in this testimony. >> i don't know there will be a bomb shell. the worst case scenario for the witness is he contradicts himself or changes his testimony or confirms at least in the minds of the committee members that he had misled them previously. there could be a referral to doj with respect to a false statement. but i'm not predicting that.
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i'm assuming this is a clean up exercise and i'm not expecting a bomb shell, but you never know. >> greg, thank you. 2020 contender kamala harris unveiling bold new action in the fight against guns today. first, facebook said to rule out a new feature that will let you erase personal data from the site. the clear history tool will allow users to delete data that the social network gathers from apps outside of facebook and no longer use that data for advertising. the move comes as the company says it expects to be fined up to $5 billion by the government for privacy violations. i like to make my life easy.
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democratic presidential candidate kamala harris wrapping up a town hall meeting in new hampshire. he talks outrage at the passage of the anti-abortion bill in alabama. >> on this day where we saw what happened in alabama, let us all agree that women's health care is under attack and we will not stand for it. >> many of the other democratic
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candidates also reacting fairly swiftly to alabama's passage of that law. elizabeth warren tweeting this ban is dangerous and exceptionally cruel. we are not going back now. not ever. kirsten gillibrand, this is a war on women and time to fight like hell. joe biden, a law should not be overturned. bernie sanders, abortionrespons democratic contenders. ascandidates climbs, close to 2 now, they are all trying to land big endorsements to stand out. and right now, it seems to be the youngest member of congress. new york's alexandria ocasio-cortez with her 4 million twitter followers, she seems to be holding court. i want to bring in correspondent alex thompson. his story headline, one of the most important endorsements in
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america right now. good to have you. you write bernie sanders has the inside track, but elizabeth warren is act tufly wooing alexandria ocasio-cortez. why is a freshman congresswoman so important to her party's progressive candidates? >> as you noted, her 4 million twitter followers, her instagram followers. her following on social media and especially on the left make her an enticing enendorsement. it's unusual for a freshman member to have this following and to be courted by 2020 contenders. in the past if you wanted a line of the left, it was someone like ted kennedy, but in 2020, it could be the aoc endorsement primary. >> what does she get out of all of this? >> in some ways, she could be a king or queen maker if she decides to go with elizabeth warren and her endorsement is deemed pivotal.
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she could have a hugely influential role in bringing voters to one candidate or the other. >> centrist and party leader joe biden crushing the competition so far early in the polls. aoc represents very different wing of the party. how much swing does she have in the real world? and by that i mean, if the party really were coming around to aoc, why would joe biden be doing so well on so many of the early polls? >> that's a great question. i think aoc's defenders would argue that even though biden is is doing well in the polls, he's still under 50%. so that means a majority of voters are still not on the booiden train. still i think biden's surge has left a few of them rattled. but they would also argue there's nine months to go. and as voters start paying attention and tuning in, then
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maybe they will go in a different direction as the obama nostalgia perhaps wanes. >> alex thompson there with politico. it's fascinating read, thank you. >> thanks so much. i want to bring in road war yore shaquille brewster. we were talking about a few moments eighth some of the new specifics on what she would do with regards to guns in this country. what did she say? what can you tell us? >> today she announced she would propose through executive action a ban on all ar-15 assault weapons. this is the type of proposal that would attack the weapons used in the pulse nightclub shooting and vegas shooting. she's sick and fed up of dealing
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with issue. it's something congress needs to address. if they don't address it, she would through executive action. listen to her from a few minutes ago. >> when elected president of the united states, i am prepared to give the united states congress 100 days to pull their act together and put a bill on my table. i'm also prepared and i'm announcing it for the first time today here with you to take e c executive action to ban b the import of assault weapons into our country. >> craig, i got in contact with the brady center after that proposal. they just sent me a statement. i'm going to look down and read it. we applaud senator harris's commitment on focusing on the industry and the supply side and addressing the problem at its root. they also commended several other 2020 candidates who are now coming out with more specific gun violence prevention proposals. this is senator harris's third
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visit to the state of new hampshire. it's a state where she has some work to do to build momentum. but that moment is one that got a standing ovation here in the room. and she seems like she's serious about addressing this issue of gun violence. >> as you probably have seen, in the wake of the reports that kamala harris would make for a good running mate with joe biden. her husband tweeted this. it's a gif. she's running for president. period. what are you hearing about all of this? >> it's interesting because that was something that came up in the line as we were talking to people ahead of this event. i spoke to three people and one was 100% committed with senator harris. the third said i like biden but i want harris in second place. i spoke to him after the event and he said she definitely rose in his stock. the thing is is this is something that people are talking about. many people see harris as a strong contender but feel booid
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season a safer candidate. that was part of the discussion i was having with the voters. voters are say iing they like harris. those who support her saying they like harris. they like the fact that she's a fresher candidate with new ideas. it's one of those things that as a lot of democrats are talking about going the safer side or going to somewheone new and frer in it their minds. >> thank you. the teen suspected of killing a classmate at a colorado high school appeared in court less than an hour. the big question will both shooters be charged as adults? we're looking at that. we're also following this story. president trump dismantling rules and agreements meant to protect our environment. we'll talk to one scientist who says it's all about politics. o says it's all about politics ento developed it. (vo) align helps to soothe your occasional digestive upsets 24/7 with a strain of bacteria you can't get anywhere else. (woman) you could say align puts the "pro" in probiotic.
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20 minutes from now the two suspects accused of killing one student and injuring eight others in a colorado shooting will be in court. >> reporter: one big unanswered question is the 16-year-old in this case going to be charged as an adult. the 18-year-old is facing a long list of charges. in particular one of those charges is for the murder of 18-year-old kendrick castillo.
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he was the hero who the gunman came inspe. witnesses say he got up, lunged at the gunman and prompted several other people in the class to attack the gunman. they were able to hold the gunman down and sit on him taking away the gun until authorities arrive d. they want to remember him in this community. back to you. >> georgia day schwartz, thank you. the trump administration has dismantled several environmental protections since taking over the white house. now one scientist is fighting back. she said she's had enough. a dynamic new documentary look iing at the life of legendy boxer mohammed ali in his own words. i sit down with his widow to get
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her take. first, moments ago, the treasury saek tear talking to reporters on his way out of the hearing room. he took questions about both. >> we don't have a date set. i would expect the ambassador and i, we go together at the approp the department of justice and as i said, i'm going to follow the law, which is determined by the department of justice who advises me. >> what signal is the administration sending by lifting tariffs on steel and aluminum on canada. what message is the administration signaling by lifting tariffs? >> i didn't say we were lifting
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tariffs. i us said we were trying to resolve the tariff issues a as part of an agreement with usmca. that's something we're focused on. >> will that be a sign they can keep their word? >> hopeful. i wouldn't say i'm confident. >> how do you plan to respond? >> we haven't had an official response yet. we have a few more days. we'll comply with the timing of it and i think you can pretty much guess how we're going to, but i haven't made a decision. >> how much pressure is there? >> the democrats are trying to weaponize the irs and it's a dangerous issue. and that's why we are taking this issue very seriously. car insurance so i only pay for what i need. oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no... only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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new evidence out this week shows that our planet is is in a state of emergency. perhaps it's worse than we thought. data out of hawaii shows co2 emissions at levels not seen in 3 million years. the world's water is pollute bid plastic sending a warning over the weekend. temperatures by the entrance of the arctic ocean surging to 84 degrees. none of it seems to be prompting the trump administration to rethink policies. just this month the administration erased offshore
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drilling rules put in place after the bp oil spill. our next guest says it's time to build a coalition to defend science. i'm joined by a marine biologist with a ph.d. and the founder of ocean collective. and she just wrote in a scientific america that we must defend science in the face of political attacks. walk us through your piece here. climate change has been an issue for years. why speak out now? why this moment? >> thanks for having me and asking that question. i have been speaking out on this issue since i have known about it. a lot of scientists have. we're really excited that other people are finally starting to care. the facts that you rattled off are such deep concern that the thought of an administration ignoring these facts and not tacting the american people based on what we know about science is just abhorrent. >> how do we fire up and inspire people to take action? >> i think part of it is making
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sure that people know that science is under attack. a lot of people don't know that the trump administration has attacked science 98 times since they have been in office from censoring scientists to telling people they can't even use the term climate change. we can't deal with a problem if we're pretending it's not there. preventing scientists from talking about research, deciding on what gets funded, these are things people don't know are happening. so i'm glad that we're talking about it. >> this administration is not laid out any significant attacks. as we mentioned, it's rolled back a number of previous agreements and protections. pulling out of the paris accord and the president has to talk about wind energy in particular. this is part of what he said about it. >> they sort of like wind even though it kills all the birds. you want to see a bird cemetery. go under a windmill.
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i want to watch television. i'm sorry, the wind isn't blowing. >> it's very strange. while he's putting into office people who work are being driven extinct by human activities including climate change. >> for give my ignorance here, on wind energy, is the president saying anything that's remotely true? >> yes, in the same way that airplanes occasionally kill a bird but this is not the problem. the actual problem of climate change is so dire. it sounds alarmist but we're in a situation where humans could
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potentially drive ourselves extin extinct. we are one of these million people. as much as i lose birds, if we lose a few birds to save what we need to serve, that's a trade off we need to be fine with. >> do you think the tide is shifting? >> i do. the fact that we're talking about green new deal is really positive. presidential candidates are putting forward ideas for climate policy. this is new. last presidential election, there was not a single debate question on climate. there may be a full debate on it this year. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. up next, my conversation with the window doe of ali about the greatest. next hour on andrea mitchell reports, senator tim kaine. state department ordering all personnel out of iraq. ordering personnel out of iraq. soriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla.
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five decades. >> when you talk about ali, you want to get as close to him as possible. we went to the new york city boking gym where ali trained right before his biggest fights. >> my name is ali. >> what's my name is about more than ali struggles inside the ring. >> i know you've watched it. when you saw it the first time, you thought what. >> i was really happy they took the time to go through the foot theage and audio to make this in his own voice. >> sta story documented by the cameras. being stripped of his belt because he refused to fight in
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vietnam. >> he's just refused to be inducted into the armed forces. >> and solidified his legendary fets in the ring. >> that inspired lebron james and his business partner to serve as executive producers on the documentary. >> your business partner and buddy lebron made a name for himself off the court as well. how much of that aspect of his legacy was he drawn to. >> i think for lebron the draw for him is always about empowering. em pow iring voices and people. people listen to him because he was the greatest boxer. then he decided to help others not just take and let that platform use him. >> you could have sat down with boxing experts, historians. you chose not to do that.
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you chose to tell the story in his own words. why? >> digging through the footage, it's almost like he smacked us on the head and said use my voice. >> i'm ready to go. >> is there part of the doc that stands out more to you than others? >> he never ceases to amaze you with the wisdom he had at an early age and the way he was able to feel comfortable in his own skin and be self-assured for what he saw was social injustice. that's still inspires me. >> it's a classive example of history treating someone better than when they were around. >> times change. he came through the 60s. people were changing. attitudes were changing. society was changing. he was right in the thick of it. he came through this world at the appropriate time.
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>> i was born to everything that i'm doing now. >> for me watching the second part especially i found it hard at times to watch the physical deteriorati deterioration. how hard was that for you to watch? >> very difficult. i think he knew he had gone one too many. >> did the people around him know at the time -- >> of course they did. >> we couldn't stop him. >> he always thinks he can give that last ounce. you never know his reasoning. i will never jum him on account of it. when he made his mind up, that was it. there's no turning back. >> we talked a couple of years ago shortly after his death about his legacy and what it was then. what is it now? >> he was compassionate and forgiving forever. he forgave some of the biggest things that i know i would never be able forgive.
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as i always say, it's hard to be him. >> what would he say about the documentary? >> it's about him. if it's about him, it's good. >> i'll see you tomorrow morning on today. andrea mitchell reports starts now. right now, high alert. the state department takes the extraordinary step of pulling non-emergency staff out of their posts in iraq citing credible threats from iran without giving any briefings to congress. >> i had no idea what the threat stream is beyond what i read in the paper. i think there are a lot of people in my shoes that are going to support standing up to iran but we need to understand what we're doing. >> our troops are not your pawns. this isn't toy soldiers that you move around the table. these are living, breathing, feeling people. >> coming up, more from senator tim kaine. a member of the senate armed services committee and foreign relations committee.


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