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the devil is in the details with his party. >> i think we have a winning gang here. will you all come back? >> can i talk about my thing tomorrow? >> of course. >> we'll be in wilkes-barre, speaking to real people, teachers, women and men, we'll ask them a simple question what happened here? we missed it. we're the smart guys. what happened in 2016? what's going to happen in 2020? and what are the issues and what are the attitudes? a lot of it is stop looking down on us. >> we'll all be watching. that does it for us. thank you for joining us. thank you for watching. am. tp daily starts now. hi, chuck, i'm sorry i'm late. >> i love chris, but we're all real people, too. >> i know. >> i'm teasing. >> other real people. >> prove it. >> we're not robots. i swear to god. let me check. beep boop beep boop boop. never mind. if it's wednesday, it's a
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culture clash. >> welcome to ""meet the press"" daily. the reason why it matters so much, because it's so much bigger than what's happening in alabama. the bill, which would make it a felo f felony for a doctor to perform abortion at any stage of pregnancy, regardless of rape or ince incest, is a big deal. the president is embracing the culture wars is the biggest of them all. culture wars are the glue that holds the republican party together. republicans are divided on issues like immigration, tariffs and health care as matters of policy. the president hasn't made those issue referendums on policy so much as he has made them flash points in a larger culture battle. what does america look like? with the chinese, socialists,
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you name it. you get the picture. in a way he has made the gop into a culture of trump. the president runs towards these cultural issues. big question is, will the democrats meet him there? in this case, they are. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer, pete buttigieg, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, beto o'rourke, kamala harris. go down the list. gop house leadership held their weekly press conference today. they did not bring up alabama, that's not surprising. they didn't take any questions from the press. moments ago, the white house put out a statement about the alabama abortion bill that did not mention the alabama abortion bill. it did go after
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heidi przybila, michael steelee, former rnc chair and ruth marcus, washington post columnist and deputy editor page editor. michael, i'll start with you. i want to get into specifics of the abortion debate. this is a larger movement, pass whatever you can pass and force the supreme court to have to do something. this larger issue, of how trump wants to take every issue and turn it into an us versus them issue, including the tariffs. >> it plays perfectly into the president's political landscape, if you will, in terms of how he wants to create bite-sized opportunities for whatever his objectives are downsteam. whether it's tariffs and sort of, you know, doing the whole thing with china, iran, another possibility of going to war with
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iran. this now opens up a new front. it's a front that cuts deep not just for voters but people, voters, communities. the president using this as part of his bully pulpit later on is important. the states in play right now are willing to accommodate him in that regard to push this legislation. >> i'm curious. you were lieutenant governor of maryland, u.s. senate nominee, current governor of maryland is a pretty moderate republican. the point is, it seemed like every republican just ran from this today. didn't want to say anything. and it seemed to me my guess is they don't agree with the law but they're afraid to say that. >> yeah, and that's unfortunate. you can disagree with this law as a pro-life person because of what it fails to do. and that is to take into account those situations that women
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face, whether they are 12-year-old, which is an example a lot of people like to use, or someone considerably older. when they're put in situations where it's rape or incest situation and other circumstances that factor in to this decision. this just isn't about the ability to have an abortion. the fact that a lot of people, particularly in the political specter look at women making this choice as a political calculation for them. they don't go back and follow up and find out how much pain that decision causes them. so putting this -- just having this conversation and running away from it as a currently elected official, i think, does a disservice. >> hydrauleidi, it is interesti. i want to point out a couple of things here. pat robertson trashed the law. it seemed to be more via tactics, which is where some of the criticism of this is coming from the right. take a listen to robertson.
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>> i think alabama has gone too far. they've passed a law that would give a 99-year prison sentence to people who commit abortion? that's no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law. they want to challenge roe versus wade but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> eric ericsson just posted on the resurgent, very personally supportive of the law but believes these laws are likely to get struck down in the courts and that actually he thinks that could hurt conservative turnout because it will get them depressed. the only criticism of the law is coming from a tactical perspective. >> it is but he's right in terms of where most of the american public is on this. this is the most extreme bill yet to pass. the other bills, at least, are under the guise of fetal
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heartbeat, that at some point it's further into the pregnancy. the truth is that 99% of abortions occur within the first 21 months. >> 21 weeks. >> 21 weeks, pardon me. thank you. we're talking about 1% of abortions and then you have the cases in which women are put in very difficult situations here where there may be a health reason for the fetus, maybe not the mother but the fetsus. it may die when it's born. all these others that will take into account to paint the republic republicans as being the harsh extremists in this. and the polling bears that out, too, chuck. >> you brought it up. let me put it on the screen here. from the mid-term, a few different ways to put it up here. in the exit polls during the midterm, what should the supreme court do about roe v. wade? 66%, keep it.
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basic attitudes about abortion, our friends from, i believe it was a pew poll if i'm not mistaken. yeah. legal in all cases, legal in most. you see that basically that's 59% on the more legal side and you have 37% on the more illegal side. this is not a 50/50 issue. >> no. and that is why -- i can't believe i'm going to say these words, i agree with pat robertson. >> this whole thing was about getting you to say i agree with pat robertson. >> now my work is done. not just on -- look, heidi is right. republicans want to have this argument on the very -- about the very small number of extreme cases and extreme circumstances where there are late-term abortions. democrats and people who are pro choice want the argument. rape and incest, very early
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abortions. but it's not just -- the alabama law is not just a bat bad law it's a bad litigation strategy. that's where pat robertson is really right. if the supreme court is going to overrule roe, it is not going to be because it is slapped and confronted with the most extreme law and the most extreme case. it is not champing at the bit to do this. you need forsay champing at the. i have a viewer that always gets on me when i say "chomp." i hope that viewer is watching. >> now i don't know what i was going to say. >> that's okay. >> lower courts know that it's unconstitutional. it's not their job to allow it. this supreme court does not want to champing, take this kind of case. >> one of these cases, but i think heidi, you said it. it's more likely something that
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is based in some sort of measurement. when does the heartbeat happen or 20 weeks. some sort of timeline or this one doesn't feel like the one john roberts would pick. by the way, i don't think john roberts would pick one unless he knew he had six votes. >> i've done some reporting on this. it's much more likely instead of seeing roe in a very dramatic fashion overturned over the course of months and years you would see a steady erosion of roe through the states. how would that happen? up until now, the lower courts have largely turned back these more extreme bills but as you see in mitch mcconnell, you know, succeed in his efforts to remake the lower courts, you could see more of these laws upheld. and what you would have is essentially death by a thousand cuts to roe. and you would have a two-america situation where there would be dramatic deferences in terms of abortion access between the blue
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states and red states, between poor people and red states and wealthy people and red states. if their daughters get pregnant because they were raped, you would be able to fly them to new york. you would have the safe havens as abortion rights activists are saying. >> some even argue to the point you just made, heidi, about this is how it should have been from the beginning, that the supreme court -- >> it's been the skfb active argument all along. wait a minute. >> the supreme court interrupted the natural reaction and legislative response by the states in the 1970s, didn't let it play out. they got in front of you. let me finish my point. so now what you have is the state sort of filling out the rest of that narrative. i agree with you 100%. i agree that's where we ultimately wind up and i think that's where the supreme court wants us to wind up, to create this landscape so you get a
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sense of exactly where the country is, because it makes the stigs a lsituation a lot cleane >> let's be clear. if the supreme court had stayed out of the abortion question as many people have argued, what we would end up with is massachusetts on one hand and alabama on the other hand. the alabama law under the current holdings of the supreme court is outright unquestionably unconstitutional. >> you can say that until that's adjudicated at the supreme court and the alabama law will be the alabama law. >> the alabama law is unconstitutional, not just under roe but casey, the 1992 case in which the court, with justices suitor, kennedy and o'connor said there could not be -- >> unless the supreme court takes up alabama law, it remains the law of the state of alabama.
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>> no. it will be stayed by lower courts. >> maybe. maybe not. >> well, i think that is the question of whether what kind of impact does this have on 2020 and peter baker, to promote the chuck todd-cast, up on my podcast now, when casey got ruled on, the only election it impacted was virginia governor. if the supreme court takes up one of these in 2020, which is more to eric ericsson's point. no matter how they rule, it will fire up or not fire up, depending what they do. i john roberts is aware of what year it is next year and would not take up an abortion case until there was a 2021. >> i think he will not. i'll make a bold prediction and
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agree with you there. in a landscape in which the culture wars have often redowned to the republicans, they'll point to not all those other bills that may be considered more moderate by some standards but they'll point to the alabama bill. sorry to keep going back to the polling but we love polling, right? >> yeah. >> overwhelmingly, american people, pro life people support allowing those exceptions in the cases of rape and incest, in the cases of the health of the mother. >> so, you're doug jones, okay? alabama won't be a swing state but alabama will have a lot of outsized impact on control of united states senate. doug jones can suddenly have pat robertson in his television ads. >> uh-huh. >> i think this gives him a sliver, a sliver -- whenever the abortion issue, it is pretty
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clear to me, michael, that basically the public doesn't like either side to get 100% of what they want. >> that's right. >> there's always this bounce back. >> that's right. >> this one feels like that's what would give jones. hey, pro life with exceptions type of thing. >> absolutely. i like your analysis there with respect to that senate race because doug jones now can use these tools that have just kind of fallen into his lap and go into a campaign and get that base exactly wer needs it to be, to turn out the way he needs it to turn out, to the point you were making hydrauleidi, about this plays out with the poll and not be impacted as he would be in some other statesicism because it's alabama. and they're going to likely look at someone like a pat robertson and go, huh? you know?
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>> yeah. >> what? >> but more importantly, ruth, this lobby comes -- i look at -- i don't mean to get in the weeds in alabama senate here but you've got bradley burn, the more chamber of commerce like republican, who mitch mcconnell would like to see, he will have to go farther on abortion than he wants to go. >> because you have to pick one side or the other. >> there's no middle ground anymore. >> and as a political matter, alabama republicans would have done a better job if they had included those exceptions, which have been wildly popular. and still enacted a law that, let me just say, would be a terrible, unconstitutional law that would be a direct challenge to roe even with those exception. >> we'll keep this culture war conversation going. you guys are sticking around. coming up, a lot more on this topic. are democrats ready to engage in the culture wars? y to engage in the culture wars drive safely.. . with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast...
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what they did in alabama,
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what they did in georgia is unconstitutional. the precedent is clear. and yet they've decided they're going to take away a woman's basic right to make a decision. >> they're trying to overturn roe versus wade. that's wrong and we will fight back. >> on this day, where we saw what happened in alabama, let us all agree that women's health care is under attack and we will not stand for it. >> welcome back. democratic 2020 hopefuls pushed back hard against the abortion legislation passed yesterday in alabama. nation's culture wars have been waged and won by republicans, but in this case, as heidi pointed out a few minutes ago, democrats may see an opportunity to be on the winning side of a culture fight, especially if the perception is that the other side went too far. joining me now, expert on democratic messaging, analyst cornell belcher. you look back at the history and you can go back to '88 where
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it's sort of how a party losing on substance and george h.w. bush was losing on substance and they said we need a culture war, create us versus them. it's a tried and true tactic. >> i would say racism. >> willie horton. >> yes. >> they also had flag burning. >> yes. >> the point is they needed to get off of policy. and it seems what keeps the republican party together is this fight about culture. i was joking, jon cornyn put out the war on chick-fil-a which meanwhile he doesn't want to talk about tariffs, which he doesn't like of this president. sometimes democrats try to avoid the culture war. how do you deal with this? >> first, let's look at the history. you're spot on. even going back to george bush son, not daddy, but son. >> same-sex marriage. >> right. these wedge issues they ran on.
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the country is dramatically changing since then. we're in a country right now where -- look how dramatic it's changed. you have majorities who are for gay marriage. you ha now -- the vast majority of americans don't want roe v. wade overturned. >> we cover the issue as if it is a close call. >> no clear majority here. particularly if you look at independent voters, you know, 60% of independent voters want it legal in most cases. so the numbers are clearly not on their side. even when you look halfway to citizenship, another culture war there, poll numbers are clearly on the democratic side. culture wars now would be different because america is changing and it's changing dramatically. some of those culture wedges don't wedge the way they used to. >> it used to be more effective at making the democratic extreme position the talking point. and democrats usually have a
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hard time making the republican extreme position. maybe it's the echo chambers. i don't know what it is, but that seems to be the trap they fall into. >> economic message. and i beat my head against the wall because for democrats it's always -- if we just had a better economic message, if we just had a better economic message, we could reach rural and eveangelical voters. >> it was a cultural message. no economic plan she could have come up with that would have won her pennsylvania. >> i agree. but that's the problem to this whole conversation, democrats are still talking about an economic message and in the talking about our values. one of the things that governor dean, another guy i work for, said you know what? i'll take republicans on, on values, anywhere in the country and i want to do it in all 50 states. now is a prime time. if republicans want to make this about a woman's choice and a woman's right to choose abortion, democrats would be silly not to take them on, looking at the numbers.
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also, this is really important, first time in 2018, democrats won college-educated voters on the backs of college-educated women, which means suburbs became more competitive. if those suburban white women think for one moment that republicans are going to be the party that overturns roe v. wade, it will be a monumental shift. >> republicans always very good at making democrats, for instance, have to compare themselves to aoc. they're trying to make that. we were just talking about -- let's go specific here. doug jones. you know, in some ways, alabama is at the forefront of the battle for controlling the united states senate, believe it or not. that seat will be -- it's razor thin path they have. there's no path without holding that seat. do you believe this actually gave jones an open? >> i do. i think it gives democrats an opening throughout the bible belt. if you can put pat robertson in your ad, that's a new kind of day for democrats. if you can have a conversation,
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particularly with suburban leaning republican women about this issue in a way that you haven't been able to before, all of a sudden you can, in fact, put -- there are segments of a republican-leaning group of voters and white educated voters than i think you put in play. >> let me lower the reverse. president trump hitting new york for a law that they passed on abortion recently. take a listen. >> lawmakers in new york cheered with delight upon the passage of legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments from birth. these are living, feeling, beautiful babies who will never get the chance to share their love and their dreams with the world. >> so, it is going to be this fight to define each side by its extreme. >> yes. here --ment.
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this is amazing to me. >> do you think the new york legislature put, messaging wise, put democrats in a box? >> no, i don't. but this is the problem for republicans outside of trump. this is not a front and center winning issue for you broadly. and i think what this says to the republicans that 2020 the white house has hit the panic button. they've seen the results from 2018 where they tried to run on the economy. what president would take these economic numbers and not talk about them every day? what president would take these economic numbers and instead of talking about this economy turn to such an insinuary issue like this? it's not about broadening or expanding the trump base. this is all about doubling down on his base. >> all right. what is the downside of taking this head on? what are you giving up if you basically concede -- because i think he would like to have this
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culture war debate in 2020. what side of the wall are you on, right, whether it's immigration, it's about who is in america, it's not about the laws, right? it's about who is an american, who is -- what is the risk of democrats? >> you're talking to the wrong democrat. you see a lot of voters, chuck, who aren't going to vote for democrats anyway. there's this romanticism, we could talk to evangelicals, old rural white voters and, chuck, they ain't coming back. >> cornell belcher with straight talk for the party. we'll see who is listening or who is hanging up on you. some encouraging signs for joe biden and kamala harris has a thought about a possible running mate. >> listen, i think that, sure, people want to speculate about running mates. i encourage that. i think joe biden would be a great running mate. n would be a great running mate if you're turning 65, you're probably learning
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in a 12-page letter sent today to judiciary chair jerry nadler, rejecting the committee's request for white house records and essentially told the committee to call off the investigation. echoed by president saying it has no standing overall to investigating president. quote, congressional investigations are intended to
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obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation, not to harass political opponents or to pursue unauthorized do-over of exhaustive law enforcement investigations conduct bid the department of justice. >> the white house is making the outrageous claim that no president, that a president cannot be held accountable in any way to the american people. they say the justice department can't hold them accountable since a sitting president cannot be indicted and now they're saying congress cannot hold a president accountable. this is ridiculous. it would make the president above the law. and we, of course, we totally reject it. >> joining me now congressman r raja krishnawari.
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it was an odd analysis of what he believes congress' authority r if you read between the lines, congressman it looks like he's saying you're not an investigative body. guess what, law enforcement body. if you open an impeachment query, you become one. is that what they're daring nadler to do? >> i'm not sure, chuck but to say that congress doesn't have an oversight rule. at some point i think he said we're not allowed to do a doover but we are supposed to do oversight and that's what we're trying to do here. mr. mueller specifically teed up various discrepancies that he wanted congress to resolve.
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on a bipartisan basis they subpoenaed don trump jr. because there were discrepancies between what came up in the senate intelligence committee and what was reported in the mueller report. that's a valid inquiry and valid oversight. >> i want to play you something that something that he said to my colleague. >> making it impossible for to you avoid that? >> making it increasingly difficult. nobody should testify and nobody should give documents to congress.
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that's a way of neutrering congress. >> that's why you call it a constitutional crisis? >> yes. >> congressman, do you -- and the reason i say this is when you go out and cover the campaign trail, voters look at all the things you're doing with white noise. you know, it's not -- none of this is breaking through. >> i've had various town halls and people are paying attention to the mueller report. i think that they know that something really bad happened. and they want us to do oversight. at the same time, they want us to walk and chew gum at the same time. they want us to perform our investigations and make sure that there's a check and balance on the executive branch and at the same time work on
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legislation. tomorrow i'm looking for passage of very important information to bring down the cost of prescription drugs. >> all right. but let me ask you this. at some point, you're making requests of the white house. they're rejecting it. you make more requests. they reject it. maybe gu to court. maybe you hold them in contempt. at some point, do you have to say, okay, you don't comply about this date, then we're going to make our next move? >> well, i think that one thing that they are definitely trying to do is they're adopting a litigious strategy. we asked for financial records from the mazar's firm. they want to court. i think they were hoping to drag out the proceedings. >> sure. >> the courts will enforce the
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subpoena power. last time that a court did not was during the administration of rutherford b. hayes. we are going to do that if that's what's required to have a check and balance. >> what does a contempt do, though? >> three types of contempt. criminal contempt referral, which is what you referred to. there's civil contempt, initiated by house general counsel and a third type of contempt called inherent contempt. that's something we're looking at closely where you would use the inherent power of the house to hold someone individually and personally in contempt, perhaps
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assessing a fine on them. i think that would get people's attention fast. >> all the different avenues that might actually convince them to comply, that is your best avenue? >> i think so. perhaps all three should be adopted simultaneously. in any case i know that the loweredship and the chairman and women of the different committees are looking at these different avenues. don junior, his father told him not to testify. lindsey graham even told him not to testify. turns out he's going to testify. he is cooperating with the senate intelligence committee. >> what does that tell you? what does that tell you, why he did that? because i would like to say well, okay, maybe they will
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brea break. >> when you feel it personally, i think you start making decisions differently than when other people are giving you free advice. i think that's what's going on here. although i don't know mr. don junior personally. that's probably what the process is going to look like going forward. >> congressman raja -- >> thank you. >> -- krishnamoorthi. >> thank you. >> thank you. a big you know what deal as they look ahead to a potential showdown with president trump. coming up, the president is about to roll out his big immigration plan tomorrow, developed by his son-in-law, highly controversial policies like mandatory civics tests. li mkeandatory civics tests. every day, visionaries are creating the future.
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welcome back. joe biden got some pretty good poll news out of pennsylvania. >> if i'm going to be able to beat donald trump in 2020 it's going to happen here. it's going to happen here. >> according to a new quinnipiac poll, biden is well positioned to do just that in pennsylvania. former vice president leads president trump by double digits, 53-42 in a head-to-head match-up. trump leads biden by four points among men, but biden is up 60 to 36 among women. >> i believe that pittsburgh and my native town of scranton and my hometown of wilmington and claymont they represent the cities and towns that make up hardworking, middle-class americans who are the backbone of this nation. >> ahead in the democratic horse race in pennsylvania, 20 point
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lead over bernie sanders and the rest of the democratic field is in single digits. obviously, pennsylvania is a must-win for the democrats in 2020. pieden's perceived strength there say big part of his appeal to democratic voters. by the way, four of the candidates will be stopping by this network tonight, cory booker, amy klobuchar and steve bullock takes his turn with rachel maddow. there you go. get it all in. this just in, bill deblasio wants to be lucky number 24. will he declare his candidacy tomorrow and will head to iowa before heading to south carolina saturday and sunday. okay. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" and more candidate announcements after this. daily" and more candidate announcements after this every day, visionaries are creating the future.
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. time now for the lid. president trump is expect to announce a new immigration plan tomorrow. this is target to border security and legal immigration and avoids some of the hot button issues of asylum seekers and dreamers. let me put this up. heidi, i'll start wuflt it will call for an increase in security. wall construction in 33 areas.
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creates a merit based system which is what i want to talk about. adds a civics test for immigrants and does not address the dreamers. so probably the radical change that should be the more intriguing debate, creating a merit based immigration system. steven miller is one of the designers of this plan along with jared kushner. that might have some broad based appeal with independent voters. >> i do think he's trying to signal that he is not against legal immigration, to change the paradigm a little bit. this is a system that as we discussed in the break, canada has. however, this is going to be d.o.a. lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have already made that clear, for democrats, it doesn't include really important changes like protecting the dreamers. and they have long opposed anything would break up our family based immigration culture in this country. and for republicans, lindsey
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graham has already said, let's talk about legislation that is actually going to be legislation. this is not legislation. these are very vague talking points. and we have a crisis on the southern border that we need to patch now. and he's proposed separate legislation. >> i took note of the civic lessons. let's have civic lessons. start requiring it of immigrants. >> i think the natural born citizens will struggle with that. >> exactly. so this idealistic view of, or an unrealistic view of exactly what immigrants are and who they are and how they come to the country of but to her point, i think there's value in some of these proposals. to independent voters to send out the signal. we will look at and it begin to reframe the debate on culture w having to do with abortion.
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immigration here, there's a similar view. each party tries to define the other. in many ways, president trump has been an avatar for an extreme position. but independents are in this. they don't want open borders. they want more rules. they may think the law is kind of silly but they don't dogmatically oppose it either. democrats, they need to be open to a middle ground. >> before we get to democrats, let me mention republicans, it is nice for president trump to present this. let's have a merit based immigration system. at the same time, he's talking about family separation policies. he's talking about massive deportation strike forces and things like that. so you can't peddle yourself one way to voters and then have all of these. >> that seemed to be the chuck schumer reaction to this.
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i think there's a trust issue. steven miller is part of writing the plan and that's what chuck schumer brings out. >> i'll tell you. "a," they have been even talked to democrats. "b," when stephen miller is in the room, it is a sure fire failure. and the ideas, if they want to get bipartisan legislation, do what we did with the gang of eight. sit down together and come up with it. don't come up with a plan that stephen miller rubber stamps and passes. it won't happen. >> what i found interesting is that he said, if he's in the room, i'm against it. but he did not -- >> it didn't get to the merits. that tells that you on paper, they might sound reasonable. >> there are some potential merits. the problem as was said, what is left out. what is left out are the dreamers, which is incredibly
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popular, and empathetic group, and what is left out is how to deal with 11 million undocumented people who have been here. >> also, the crisis going on at the border now. >> but all of that has to be dealt with in a bipartisan and comprehensive way. it is the only way we'll get this. that needed to be done when there were, republicans were completely in control. still needs to be bipartisan. that's not where we are. >> this goes to what they pointed out. we should call this an election issue. no, no, we're not against immigration. to you, right of center suburban voters. >> no, no. this is republicans' version of green now deal. the idea of taking a big policy. ideas and proposals and putting them on paper and saying this is how we feel. these things. this is ideally where we would like to go. but there is no legislation.
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there will be no real legislation that the house and the senate will take up. but the important thing is the president wants to reframe the discussion around immigration and he wants to do it because as the polling is showing among those independent voters, there is some latch key room where he can open a door. >> making the merit based system, it doesn't look hypocritical on his own visa program. >> i think that could be petitioning to a lot of americans. >> the problem is what ruth says, it is competing with headlines about massive deportation forces with headlines showing we've had 100,000 april deportations. families who are not coming here to work at google. that's not what this plan addresses. >> all right. tomorrow should be interesting. heidi, michael, ruth. thank you. if it's wednesday, we've got a new else of the chuck podcast.
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leave us a decent review. we'll be back with more "mtp dail daily". for the next five hours, 1/6 of the democratic field will be outside msnbc. 1/6. >> that's a newsy thing. 1/6, in your case, five out of five stars. if write better at math, i would link the two. thank you. we have a lot to get to tonight. 2020 candidate cory booker is here. and trying on basically ban all abortions. so we'll get into that with senator booker and a panel of experts. the whole showdown is over whether roe v. wade will stand. later, new signs that donald trump's business empire is struggling because of its association with the trump name. so we'll get into all of that. we begin


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