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ride now. >> the whole second half of the report was about obstruction of justice. multiple instances before and after his guilty plea where either he or his attorney received indication before congress. a personal aside here. how is the president not being impeached for obstruction of justice right now? >> good morning. that darn good question came after we learned just how far the trump's white house and an unnamed person went out to the short-lived national security advisor and that a federal judge has ordered the release of transcripts to prove it. indeed, as you pour your coffee this morning, the president of the united states is refusing all congressional oversight saying he won't permit a, quote,
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do over of the mueller report. they've blown right through the deadlines per a lawful request by congress. his attorney general is refusing the lawful demand to hand over the redacted mueller report and launching investigations into people who tried to protect this country and our elections from russian attack. still trying to tell us which were breached in 2016. trump and mich mcconnell's tag-team effort has made the christian far right so confident that essentially send women back to the dark ages forcing them to give birth even when impregnanted by a rape or
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incest. all in hopes to send this to the supreme court and turning all of america into gilead from "the hand maid's tail." war with iran has been on the mind of his security advisor for decades. and the trade war that sends american farmers out of business and he sends bail out cash to foreign governments. first, given all of this that's happening, let's get back to rachel's darn good question. >> how is the president not being impeached for obstruction right now? >> joining me now is tom stier, a long-time democratic donor and
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founder of the need to impeach pact. i asked migrate team here to track you down because of an ad that your pack has put out and it is not going after donald trump so much as it is going after the intugs. here is a clip. >> our founding fathers expected you, congress to hold a lawless president responsible. you are doing nothing. >> he's broke his oath of office. >> ee defying. >> he's laughing at you. >> congress is part of the system. the system is broken. we have to fix it. >> why do you suppose the democrats are so reluctant to impeach a president who has done far more than nixon has done and
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certainly more than bill clinton by having an affair with an intern. i believe they believe it will hurt their chances for election in 2020. it is the tactics as opposed to seeing the fundamental need, which you outlined at the beginning of the show. >> you've given a lot of money over the years. do you, as a person who has got to be tactical as a person with your money. even in 45% say, yes, impeach im. 42% say don't impeach him. do you think launching an impeach inquiry would hurt democrat chances in 2020?
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>> what we do is organize people on the ground and spend time one-on-one with voters. we know the american people are looking for leadership and people who will stand up and fight for them and for what is right. if you do that, americans across the board will turn out and vote for them. it is good politics to do the right thing and to lead and let your heart show where your heart is. >> you've seen elizabeth warren who is really out in front. do you see why she's doing less well in the polls who is saying reach out and unite the country. is that prove you are saying you you are wrong.
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what the country does not need is impeached? >> if you watched senator warren's numbers, they've done nothing but go up. as she's stepped up. we can see americans respond to that. i think people across the country are sick of half truths. they are looking for people who will look them in the eye and tell them what they think in a strong way. do you talk to them about this and tell them how you feel and what do they say back? >> i spend most of my time talking to american citizens around the country. at this point, as they are looking at the impeachment
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inquiry, they have realized the time has come. i don't think they have a chance and are doing the right thing as they consider an impeachment inquiry. >> do you think they will join the democratic party in dragging them to impeachment? >> i do. as this inquiry gets going and americans get to see on tv the kind of people who the president surrounds himself with and the things they've done. i think they'll be shocked and insist on the country doing the right thing. when the chips are down, we do the right thing. we should count on that from the american people. >> thank you for your time.
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really appreciate it. >> thank you. joining me now is a member of the house judiciary committee. i couldn't know if you had a chance to hear all of what he said. >> i did. >> it is tough to argue when you look at all that trump is doing to your body to say you don't have to have oversight. to understand why isn't congress already in impeachment inquiries. >> the overwhelming evidence continues to mount even over the last several days as the revelations about michael flynn's statements have come out. i agree with almost everything said there. >> the article one is one guy. one president who acts unpredictably in an unstable way. he does whatever he wants
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congress is a very strong body. we are involved in a team sport, not an individual sport. i think there is a major breakthrough coming. the press has framed this, are you form impeachment or against it. in some sense, that is the wrong question. that's the end of the process. what we are focused on now is should we have an impeachment inquiry into whether there were high crimes and misdemeanors, not low crimes like bill clinton committed. like obstruction of justice, contempt of power which were the counts in the nixon articles. were such crimes committed. if so, what should we do about it? more and more democrats are coming around to a place that this is an inescapable situation
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this is something that has been taken for granted by both parties. the supreme court has said the fact finding function and they are not cooperating with 20 different investigations. no witnesses or documents. it is an unacceptable and intolerable investigation. >> this is a sharply divided country. republicans don't really seem to care about bringing anybody along. whether it is imposing their religious believes on the country. they don't care. here is william boorn r baarr.
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he sounds like the guy that is going to do trump's bidding to investigate you guys to do the opposite of what the american people want. >> here he is on fox news. let me get your response. >> people have to find out what they are doing. if we are worried about influence, we should be worried about whether or not government officials abused the power. >> the president calls this a witch hunt or a hoax. would you agree with that? >> democrats would charge you are the president's attorney now. >> they don't know what you are talking about. >> william barr will go talk to fox news, essentially the state-run media. he won't talk about you.
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>> let's start with this, the deep state conspiracy theory is a classic right wing propaganda move. those people inside the government, we know this is an absolute system. >> the attorney general is fully bought in. he is of no use as attorney general. what are you going to do about it? >> joy, i can tell you are frustrated and angry. we are not going to descend to political and racial and tribal
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places like they have. we need to have constitutional teach ends across the country by the groups that have stood up. like indivisible, do the most good, jay walkers. we need these groups in motion to explain the keys to getting through this crisis are in the constitution itself we are going to stand for the constitution. i don't accept we are a racism or anti-sem etic or tribalist country. we believe in the rule of law. i think we are moving towards
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inquiry. there are at least 11 episodes. we don't indict the president. what special council mueller said, we are going to turn it over to congress. the impeachment is just an indictment where we would bring them forward. people have to understand that's what an impeachment is. when people say, well, impeach the president. that's only half way. they are talking about removing the president. we are only half way there. that is an appropriate course of action. everybody across the board should be able to get behind this because of the high crimes and misdemeanors in the report that attorney general barr has done everything in his power to sup press and miss inform the
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public about. >> in the issue of leadership, there is leading and there is also seen to be leading. what the american people see, the chairman of the judiciary committee has immense power, to write a letter and to be openenly defied. they are essentially laughing at congress. i am prepared to make my staff available at a mutually time. these sort of polite letters going back and forward, to congress that is an open defiance to you. they are going to investigate the fbi and lock up clinton.
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they aren't sending you all polite letters. they are moving against members of the fbi. william barr is going to do it. >> oh, i get it. >> do you see where they are going -- >> i hear you. in those letters, what he was trying to demonstrate is the truth, which is that he is bent over backwards to try and accommodate. in order to get our documents which are our due, our right. it is the fact fighting function of congress. but we are supposed to knowing oceanate with the executive branch so they can come at a time that is convenient to them but this branch has done something unprecedented. the president of the united states has said we are not going to cooperate with any subpoenas
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or turnover any documents. that is a contempt of congress. when you look at the third articles, it was contempt of congress and it was far narrower than what this president is doing. you and i have jobs where we benefit from focusing on this stuff all day. most americans are busy working to try and pay for their precipitation drugs. there is a reason why impeachment was put in article one in congress and not the courts. >> trump has taken over the courts too. i appreciate it. >> all of which to say, we have to keep this in proposition. the anger and frustration is growing not just with the public but with democrats too.
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>> we are really out of time. >> if republicans had the power you have and the president was named barack obama? >> they would have impeached obama long ago. >> or hillary clinton. >> congressman, i appreciate you mixing it up with me. >> more after the break. "it's the easiest, because it's the cheesiest" kraft. for the win win.
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and feeling that feeling that you helped someone today. >> we are back to continue to discussion. joining me now. host of the strange days podcast. i'm just going to go through. hope you had a chance. >> started with a move that started out with, don't impeach clinton over the sexual affair. let's do the sensor and move on. it was borne out of the appeal.
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>> what do you make of the democrats being dragged kicking and screaming? >> it is interesting and that was a really great interview you had there with the congressman. >> we have a president in the united states who feels like he's above the law he violates the law nearly every day. can you imagine if you and i would not comply, we'd be straight to jail. >> yes, brown girl. >> congress need to take the politics out of this. it is not about 2020. it is not about who is up or down in the polls early on in his administration, he was kind
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of playing around with the guard rails. we are not taking the fight to them. we need to say, no. this is not happening. we are going to take it straight to the press of the united states. i get it. they feel the voters are not there with impeachment. the same thing that happened with watergate. people were not there. they were not ready. they move forward and presented the evidence, presented the facts. by the time it was over, there was overwhelming support for impeachment. we have to do this. it is their constitutional duty. >> a lot of people know you as a great friend of this show. >> when you look at public
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opinion in general, do people tend to move toward strong leadership or toward reporch. democrats seem to believe that being the most conciliatory they can be, that is how they secure 2020. do you as a number's guy believe that? >> absolutely i believe the american people respond to strength and react to the moment he seems to be suffering from what the leadership seems to be suffering from which is this delayed cog native situation that the united states of america is under attack by the
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sitting president of the united states. that is difficult for them to understand and believe but they need to face the facts that after two years where we are seen nothing but evidence in our faces that they are either bordering on a dangerous dereliction of duty also under the idea that the 2020 election would be normal. donald trump is not going to act like a normal president in the 2020 campaign. he is probably not going to participate in a single debate. he has already weaponized the department of justice to intimidate, threaten and perhaps even jail his political
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opponents. to answer to this is to use the founders gifted to us, which is impeachment. a couple of other points. the world is watching. this week, a chilling thing happened. angela merkel made a statement that europe and germany need to react to the rivals china, russia and the united states. what may be prompting that thinking is the lack of action, real action, real power by congressional democrats to oppose the administration. if you don't believe me, you'll maybe ask about what the wisdom is of waiting for an election to decide what should be done for the american people. >> and coming to us now from a state where we now know russia breached the election systems of at least two counties in 2016. we can't be confident that they
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are not in the election systems of we don't know how many. they say no, he gets to decide. >> i don't know what else to say. i'll let you talk. >> that's not the way the criminal justice system would operate where you let the people decide. >> what is that line, i've got a lot of patience and that's a lot of patience to lose. i've lost it all at this point. you know what we need? we need a television show. it was this week in 1973 that the senate watergate hearings opened. that was a television show.
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>> let us all agree that women's health care is under attack and we will not stand for it. we will not stand for it. >> they are trying to overturn roe v. wade. that's wrong and we will fight back. >> it is nothing short of an attack on women's basic human and civil rights. >> the american religious right is waging an all out assault
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attempting to reduce women to little more than vessels of pregnancy subject to the law of the state when they become pregnant even by rape or incest hoping the laws pasted overwhelmingly by male legislatures will lead to a supreme case ofover turning roe v. wade. putting atlanta's rising status on a film hub at risk. >> missouri lawmakers send strict example. the governor says he will sign it following the alabama governor who signed the most restrictive and unconstitutional bill in the country. >> with us is planned parent hood a and former district
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attorney for alabama. let's look at the big picture. here on the map shows states that have passed or are looking to pass. they line up with the old con fed rasy and a couple more. now let's look at the genders of those. in alabama, only four of the 35 senators are women. the people who passed this abortion bill, men. here they are, 25 of them. 25 men who voted to pass this law. there they are. state representative, do the women who are very few in number in the alabama legislature have
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any agency at all when it comes to women's reproductive health? >> first of all, the sponsor in the house was female. when we talk about the role, we want to make sure we are putting females into office. you are correct that 85% of the legislature in alabamaa is a male. >> alabama is one of the states where there is a lot of concern to stop abortion, you said there are is one woman involved in that as well but not a lot of seeming concern about the deaths of living children. infant mortality rates in these states mississippi, alabama, missouri have really high infant
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mortality rates. they are not jumping to expand the medicaid to pass laws to make sure people and children aren't hungry and their education systems aren't really raring to make sure kids are well-educated. what is the concern about making women give birth but not terribly concerned about the rest of their lives. >> you are so on point. they are not pro life, they are pro birth, after the birth of the child, they don't want to pass legislations that help with them to be healthy and safe in schools and provide health care. they are not pro life at all. they are pro birth. we have to continue to fight and continue to have legislation out there to highlight what is going on in these states. we thank programs like this, it is not just in alabama. this is an effort moving on for
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years now. i saw it start in 2010 when the conservatives took over the legislate your across the koircht. this has been a 50-state movement to overturn roe v. wade. we need to let them know we will not stand for that. >> people worry about donald trump who doesn't seem to be particularly religious himself has said to the religious far rights, you can have the courts. he's given mitch mcconnell and empowered him to place roe v. wade overturning judges, extreme religious right people. should the american people be now that roe v. wade is essentially be gone? >> wife to be worried about a potential loss of roe, as the
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alabama governor made a special note the timing was good that the president had super charged the federal courts so that roe could be reversed. i don't expect that could happen by the trial court or even district court. the fight will be in the supreme court. now in alabama and states have set up legislation that rather by chipping away, the stage is now set for an outright reversal. much of that has been territory that has been animated republican report you are. a good stat to pursue would be to point out that roe and other progressive laws that guarantee marriage equality, they are at risk. >> you have elizabeth warren who said, there will have to be a federal law to protect women's
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rights not to just be a host even for -- or from a person who raped them. to access reproductive care and ensure real 5:0 tess to birth control and abortion care. to say with you quickly, a federal law wouldn't pass the senate. would a federal law protect women's rights if roe falls? >> it could happen but i think you are right we've been here before where another alabama case was used to gut section five of the voting rights act there is an effort in the house
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and that has not passed to date. what senator warren is advocating for would be a pro-poe nent of choice, that real fight is in the supreme court. >> the real fight and to go to the doctor, the reality is that planned parent hood is targeted as sort of a murder inc in their minds. it is a religious con fiction that they must stop and make abortion illegal. so what are women to do? >> after this, i presume making contraception illegal is on the table as well? >> we are hearing from our patients in health centers that they are scared. >> we are receiving hundreds of calls, so many we have to set up a separate phone line to let
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them know our doors are open. we are doing everything we can to fight back against these unconstitution gnat laws so that women can continue to get the care these women need. we've been under attack countless times before. we need everyone to be standing with us. frankly, the american people are with us. 7 in 10 people believe roe v. wade is the law of the land. we know what happened before roe that thousands of women died before their time frmt. >> when you have men saying that ectopic pregnancies must be reimplanted, which is impossible. >> let me read to ylet you listt this man even said about rape.
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>> let's just say someone goes out and they are raped or sexually assaulted after a college party. most of my rapes were not a gentleman jumping out of the bushes, most of them were date rapes or not consentual. >> we've heard of this before. passing laws saying where people are miss reporting rapes. what due make that the rhetoric has been so removed? >> they are showing their true colors in this. what they said is horrific, nothing they are doing is about medicine or science or protecting women, children or families. it is all about oppression,
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masogony, power and control. we will not stand for this and hope everyone joins us in our day of action occurring on tuesday. >> the aclu and women's march. before we go state senator coleman, is alabama -- >> it is unconstitutional. that will have to be fought in the courts. we'll have to fight. we have wonderful organizations that will be protesting and show these men we need to have control of our own bodies and we will not allow them to make us just be hosts. we will be rioting. we'll be protesting. there is another bill where they
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are trying to criminalize abortions. we are not going to stand for it. >> women are human beings and full citizens, not hosts. we'll have you all back. thank you. up next, what mitch mcconnell and donald trump are doing. get yourself some coffee. you'll need it. this thing is beautiful. i love the lights. oh man, it's got a mean face on it. it looks like a piece of candy. look at the interior. this is nice. this is my sexy mom car. i would feel like a cool dad. it's just really chic. i love this thing. it's gorgeous. i would pull up in this in a heartbeat. i want one of these. that is sharp. the all-new chevy blazer. speaks for itself. i don't know who they got to design this but give them a cookie and a star.
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>> do you believe that brown versus board of education was correctly decided? >> i get into a difficult area when i start commenting on supreme court decisions which are correctly decided and which i may disagree with. >> on thursday, one day before the 65th anniversary of the historic brown versus board of education ruling, more than two dozen trump appointed nominees have refused to answer if brown
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versus board of education was correctly decided. so wonderful to see you this morning, but that is shocking. we're now accustomed to them demurring on row v. wade, but brown v. board? >> yeah, people have to understand, the question that senator richard blumenthal asked is one he regarded as a softball, a no brainer, an opportunity to here a nominee talk about race and racial justice. and he told we are that he was shocked. since he she answered it that w we have heard answers from successive nominees refusing to talk about brown versus board of education. chief justice roberts had no problem talking about it. justice alleto said it indica d
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vindicated the 14th amendment. this was never in controversy, but in the last year we have seen a wave of successive nominees. most judicial nominees, but most recently the newly confirmed deputy attorney general of the department of justice. the person replacing rod rosenstein. and those that oversee the civil rights division. they refuse to talk about browne -- brown as well. this is a signal, a shot across the bow. >> donald trump put over 100 judges now on the federal courts, what do you think they're setting up to do or overturn? >> you described brown as ending state segregation, but brown is so much more. it hit the reset butt on american democracy. the problem of the 14th
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amendment had been smoothered after reconstruction and it was brown in 1954, but in so doing brown opened the door for a reimagining and understanding of what equality means for women, for the poor, for the mentally ill. for latinos, for asian americans, for members of the lbgtq community. the whole thing happened first in the courts as a result of brown if transformed the legal system, even the way we think about the law as a tour for transformation and for giving voice to the marginalized. that is not how the law worked before the brown case, and i think it is that project that is
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we believe that the president said this was a trade package that would help american businesses and farmers.
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we're looking at 62 billion plus going to two very corrupt brothers that don't need to be bailed out. it's american businesses and farmer who is are getting the short end of this stick. they're hurting. >> trump seems to think the year long trade waur with china is hurting. but china happens to be agricultural exports and seeks it's goods elsewhere. the consequences have been devastating, that is why in the summer of 2018, the trump administration announced a $20 billion bailout. as it turns out, some of that cash is not even going to struggling american farmers and
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ranches. >> and one of the largest port producers in the just. but amid the backlash, they asked to terminate their contract, right? next to belly up to the bailout bar was a company controlled by a firm called jbs, the world's largest meatpacker. it is a foreign company with a u.s. based subsidiary. per the new york daily news, the department of agriculture -- the trump administration forked out
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$26 million in bailout to j jbs usa. it is not a struggling farm and it's owned by two brothers that both spent time in a brazilian prison for bailing government officials. we reached out to the d.o.j. that responded "as a matter of policy the department generally neither confirms nor denies an investigation." the u.s. department of agriculture provided this comment, the usda provides benefits, this is similar to someone buying jsbs bacon in a
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store. jbs operating their u.s. pork plants, processing american hogs raised by u.s. farms who are the true program beneficiaries. this was not a bailout. like other companies in the program our own intent was to support our producer partners impacted by the trade wars. according to donald trump, trade wars are easy to win and you do that by giving out welfare to farmers. this week the trump administration handed out an additional $15 million in money. joining me now are my guests including chris somerfield and thank you all for being here. chris, jbs is a huge producer of meat in the united states. the largest meat packing company
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in the united states. why would they not be qualified -- why shouldn't they get the money. they're for producing meat in the united states. why shouldn't they get the money if they're producing meat here. >> the money that the bailout program is sourced from is supposed to go to american farmers, right? that's how they justified this bailout pot of cash, $12 billion. jbs usa is foreign owned. they claim their money will end up benefitting local producers because they're partner with u.s. farmers, but for all we know there is not much showing that is the case. >> it is a trickle down theory sf. >> yeah. they're foreign owned, and the bailouts are still issue today a foreign owned company no matter how the administration puts it, it is money paid by taxpayer dollars going to foreign owned entities. >> talk about these brothers, why did these brothers go to prison? >> they went for confessing to
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jail -- they went to jail for confessing to bribing upwards of 1,000 top officials in their home country. it is quite something that these are a pair of very corrupt brothers. their plea deal including them being prosecuted for withholding evidence. >> and they're still allowed to operate in the united states despite that? >> it is a subsidiary, right? it is held by jbsa, but it is a subsidiary that is operating somewhat independently. >> do u.s. farmers understand that, farmers that you talk to as part of your organization, that the money they were promised essentially as a bailout, a welfare check from
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trump, to compensate them for his trade war, is going to foreign businesses? >> don't know that farmers realize there it is not coming back to them whole heartedly. i think as an organization, as a whole, i think as farmers in general we all realize that we want money coming from the marketplace but when we can't get from the marketplace, things have been destroyed, markets destroyed, we need to come from that but since we can't we need help from the government at this point. and we're expecting it to come, and only go, to american farmers. >> as everyone except for essentially donald trump, maybe he just willfully doesn't understand it, a tariff is a consumer tax. you had china retaliate by cancelling u.s. pork inpomports soybean imports, and not doing business with american farmers any more. you talk at the impact on the mental health of farmers and
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ranchers, can you talk about it a little sfwhit. >> farmers and ranchers have been in the family for hundreds of years. they're getting to a generation and there is no market for their products. we're in a slump for prices right now. they're half of what we got right now for this year. farmers are getting half this year of what they got last year. so they're starting to not be able to get input costs and loans for their crops. they're not having markets to sell their products in, they're starting to feel the mental fatigue on this, and realizing that they're the last jen tlags will be able to farm. it is taking a huge toll. >> you talked about increases in suicides and bankruptcies. >> absolutely. we're starting to see more of them, we had, last year, we were getting a suicide prevention hotline numbers.
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that is things farmers don't knead to hear or see. but the mental fatigue is very real on these farmers, unfortunately a lot of them don't feel there is another place to go. they can't go back and face their families. >> let go to david k. johnson on this. companies like jbs are also competitive, right? when china decides not to buy pork products, soy beans, agriculture products, jbs has been a huge beneficiary because we have here exports that tied a balloon to more than 24% in 2018. they're benefitting on both ends. they're selling more to china and getting a baitout for the united states taxpayer. donald trump said anything that benefits the broad american public, donald trump calls that socialism.
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but here is donald trump talking about our patriot farmers and calling people patriot farmers and lying and saying there is tariff money coming in. >> donald, even though he was give an degree in economics by penn has no idea what he is doing. let me give you a little on the harm that is being done president american farmer who is are engragined in the midwest, they have been under seeing for a long time but it is accelerating dramatically under trump. one in five wisconsin dairy farms has closed since trump took office. more of them are going to, because of the policies of this administration. if we're going to put the farmers that raise soy beans in jeopardy to pursue jump's insane trade policies, why are we giving money to packers and producers rather than farmers. the idea is the farmers were the
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ones suffering and needed the benefit. what trump administration is doing is moving away from competitive business and a market economy towards corporate socialism with the end of the day concentrating farms and continuing the policies that we have benefitting wall street. the very people that donald trump ran against. >> and you know, chris, this is the point, right? jbs is also a competitor to these american farmers. so they are double benefitting. so donald trump is essentially subsidizing a foreign business. >> that is what a lot of industry watchdogs are outraged about. this money is supposed to end up in the hands of american farmers, why does there need to be a middleman? and this middleman in this scenario is a middleman with a very disturbing history of construction into if we're -- if they're going to use a middleman, why this middleman and number two why use a
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middleman. >> what about the farmers demanding the money that is being given to jbs be given to them. >> for some reason we do not know. they have chosen to give the money to jbs instead of directly to the farmers. >> what is this, how many farms are know at this point run by, or meat packing companies and farm related companies being run -- is this a widespread fee n -- fee nom nphenomenon. >> these are family owned farms being operated on the ground. >> superintendent more efficient, if you're going to do a welfare check or a bailout, why not just mail team this check. >> yeah, why make them learn how
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to go through this. it was not designing to protect family farms. >> it is essentially a bailout to find out what we're doing being here. doing being here (dad) got it? (boy) got it. nooooooo... (dad) nooooooo... (vo) quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is two times more absorbent. bounty, the quicker picker upper.
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very explosive, wolf, i think is very clear this further supports the urgent need for the community to get the fully unredacted report and bring mr. flynn before the committee as well. >> former national security advisor michael flynn said that people tied to the trump administration and congress p reached out to them. flynn gave prosecutors a voip attorney that john dowd left for flin's lawyer. they published a transscrip of the call, including his conversations are russian officials. including former federal
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prosecutor paul butler. apparently left for michael flynn by donald trump's attorney, he said it would not surprise me if he went on to deal with the government. if it implicates the president we have a national security interest. hem -- it is like a mob movie. >> it is like obstruction of justice. they could not say more plainly what their goals are. it is to protect the president, it is to keep their stories in sync so the president doesn't get in trouble and the president's own personal state's attorney reaching into the investigation. >> and they had a joint defense agreement. and at a certain point they didn't. >> i think it is flynn's own attorneys realizing that if they would proceed in that way, it
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would be michael flynn and not the president of the united states. >> and you as our expert on all things trump, he tweeted that nobody warned michael flynn. he says it now seems that general flynn was under justification long before was common knowledge. why was i not told so i could make a change? >> right, the reality was that he was told repeatedly. two days after the 2016 election, he visited barack obama in the white house and barack obama said two things you need to worry about. one is north korea, the other is michael flynn. about a week after the president was inaugurated in january of 2017, sally yates called up don mcgahn and said you have a real problem with michael flynn. i'm concerned he is vulnerable to bribery or influence by the
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russians. >> that would be deputy attorney general sally yates. >> he is a manager that says the person i hired turned out to be such a disaster, who made me do that. he is trying to backtrack on all of this. >> how is this not obstruction of justice? >> it is, i want to add to what tim said, it took 18 days after sally yates told trump that he had a problem with flynn for hymn to get rid of flynn in is just nonsense. you can't say i didn't know when you knew before you hired him because the president who was still the president told you that he was a problem and you got another warning right after you were inaugurated. these things are coming together, these phonecall that's we'll have transcripts of and hopefully audios, there is nothing more impressive to the american public than playing the
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actual voices of these conversations. flynn and the russian ambassador, flynn's lawyer, and the president's lawyer talking about what is clearly obstruction of justice. it really needs to be heard. >> if we have to hear the tapes in the clinton era of his chats, i think we should to hear these as well. paul butler, but also now have information that someone connected to congress was trying to talk to philip. cnn reporti -- flynn. michael flynn sent twitter direct messages to matt gates, he said i bet your wife wouldn't want to know x amount of things about you. threatening michael cohen, encouraging michael cohen to keep the pressure on. gaetz says he got the messages, but he did not respond. your thoughts, paul butler? >> first of all, why wasn't
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president trump told more about michael flynn? remember the punch line of the chris rock joke you didn't know stuff because you were doing stuff. you were being compromised or maybe even being a double agent. of course they're not going to tell them -- tell the president everything about their investigation on michael flynn because they think, the fbi thinks, that flynn and trump might be working together on behalf of the russians. >> we don't even know if that is still ongoing, paul. we don't know if there is still an count every intelligence investigation. >> the only thing that mueller found is there was not enough evidence of conspiracy for the united states, there was not enough smoking gun evidence that they actively worked with the
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russians to steel e-mail or the election, but mueller found there was 251 contacts between the trump campaign and russians, this judge, can william bar somehow top that? >> he cannot stop a judge from ordering it, can he stop the production tof? he is still the boss of mueller and it is the mueller that is being order today produce it. i they obviously he will have some problem doing it. i think we have to move on because right now we're still talking about process and not the substance. so we're debating whether or not he can respond to subpoenas or stop them. and the mueller report, when you read it and you get things like these transcripts, it is the
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whatever our distances. who you love, who you pray, for whom you voted for in the last election, let those differences not divide us at the moment. we are americans first. >> the buzz around beto may be dieing down. he is still polling to the top ten. i chatted with the former presidential candidate and his strategy for 2020. whether or not democrats should try to whoa trump voters and if he was fairly elected in the first place. >> congressman, thank you for joining me i will jump in and ask you about a couple things happening in the news today. a lot of concerned, now we're
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learning that the white house really played heavy with general michael flynn to discourage his cooperation with congress, do you think he is too slow to move toward impeachment. >> i think the only way to compel the testimony, to get the evidence, to have the facts so there is accountability and justice for what is done, and we prevent future attacks on our democracy and our country is to move forward with impeachment. it should be the option of last resort and we're clearly there with this administration. a candidate who invited the involvement of a foreign power in our democracy and then did everything in his power so obstruct justice and he is still doing that today.
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if we're a nation of laws, and that no one can hold their position, we need to make sure we save this democracy. >> congressman, you're running for the office, so it is almost awkward to ask you about the limits of the policy as we see it, do you think the president of the united states is too powerful and too hard to control if part of the congress is in their party. >> the short answer is yes. if you look at the war that's we're in 28 years in iraq, our 18th year in afghanistan, somali, yemen, syria, libya as well, there is a clear case where when the past his mandate.
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the continuing threat that they pose, and the fact that they have not been able to get to the truth, we have yet another example. part of that is the presidency and the administration, and part of it is per your earlier question, congress standing up and asserting itself regardless of party or consequences in the next election, or how this stuff poles. if we're going to follow the constitution and live up to our promise, if we're going to ensure this democracy survives this administration, we're going to need a congress willing to assert itself and stand up for those whom they purport to recommend. i want to start with what we learned about florida. russian entities breached the voting systems of at least two counties in florida. we're not being told which countries which is odd. the governor there signed a
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nondisclosure agreement, which is odd. do you have confidence that it was not just the use of prop began ta propaganpropaga propagana on voters, but that the president was elected farely. >> i don't have complete confidence. because we know from other secretaries of states and other states in the union were their systems were breached. we don't know vote tallies were changed, but that alone should be cause for concern. when you add to that one of the first phone calls this president made after the mueller report was released was to vladimir putin to whom he described the mueller report as a hoax, that is a green light, a invitation, for russia to continue to involve themselves in the election. i'm considered about the president of the united states sending 5500 service members to the border in the run up to the
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midterm elections to having crowd control exercises on el paso tex paso, texas. someone that will stop at nothing including involving foreign powers into our democracy and giving them the green light to continue to involve themselves in our democracy. if ever we needed congress to stand up and protect all of us it is now because the chief exec testify failed to do that and invites further harm going forward. >> very close to beating ted cruis crui cruz that election was fair? your state is a voter suppression top tier voter suppression state back when we had an attorney general that cared about those things. attempts to correct that. what would you do, and what will do you in your campaign about
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voter suppression that particularly targets voters of color in states like texas? >> joy, there is a reason that texas, prior to 2018, was 50th in voter turn out. you had the courts find in 2017 that they were drawn out of the congressional district, attempting to diminish the power of their vote and make it less likely that we ever hear their voice. when you compound that with voter i.d. laws that say, for example, you can use your license to carry a firearm to prove who you are at the ballot box, but not your student i.d. at el paso community college, but if you look at 2018, you look at one county, the 254, waller county. one of these world class
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historically black colleges that calls texas home. those voters at that college were effectively disenfranchised. the early voting location was nowhere close to that school. there was confusion about where the students were registered but thanks to some heroic students that lead a march that was more than six miles to the voting location where they then waited five hours to vote. we know that the will is there. it just needs to be matched by our laws. a voting rights act, same day registration, automatic voter registration when you turn 2018, and an end to jergerrymandering. if we balance that with big money out of the our politics you return democracy to the people again and we begin to show up, we're counted, and we move in in the right direction. >> the idea is additive, right?
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you need to add subsequeconstii together to win. there is a theme happening. there is now 15 white guys running for president, that is more white guys than ran in the republican primary in 2016, believe it or not. i think there was 12 at that point. and part of the premise, there was a great piece, the premise appears to be that the democratic party is saying that the group of american that's were uncomfortable with barack obama, and a woman at the top of the ticket, they're going to say we're going to help you not field uncomfoabluncomfortable. we're just finding out that bailouts are going to foreign big companies and not farmers. you have women in cages at the
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border. white voters in your state are going to overwhelmingly vote for donald trump, we presume, and even you on ticket would not likely change that. why do the democratic party still think they can attract the voters when in a state like texas that the potential for the takings clause, they will still vote for trump. >> yeah, so joy, a couple things, one, i might argument the premise of the question. i think the democratic party is saying that we represent this country. look at this field of candidates who are representational. in the breadth of experience, and in texas, in the polling that i have seen, i and other leading democratic contenders poll evenly with donald trump right now. that is before the race has
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really gun. that is mores than any in the history of texas. we got about half a million republicans as well. it was a movement that was come prid comprised of a expanded elector rate, but those folks that have been hammered by this trade war and these car riffs make it nearly impossible. they have seen no infrastructure in roads and bridges or broadband internet. rural america that has been left behind by this administration. the first counties that i visited, when we started the campaign in iowa, they were won by barack obama in 2008, won by trump in 2016. so i'm confident that question
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show up for everyone include everybody in the solutions to the challenges that we face, and do so on a bold, progressive agenda like the one that we ran on in texas. so let's not count anybody out, let's not take anyone for granted. >> where do you fall on the balance of bringing out the base, or trying to poet trump voters, which is the priority? >>. >> i really hope this is a false choice. this is the presenmise of our campaign. everyone has to show up and bring ideas and stories into the solutions for the challenges that we face. public school teachers are just as afraid of betsy devoss.
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they don't want to be sent to private schools. rural america cares just as much about urban america. be able to afford your prescription medication. all of us want to see us deliver for veterans. they want to make sure we have a world class va system, and climate change, i'm seeing the consequences of that in some of the most rural parts of america. in iowa, i'm seeing them in houston, texas after harr sflee 2007, so i know that we're tempted to slice and dice the electlek l lekelectorate. i think these things bring us together and we need someone that can articulate that and show up for everyone. not only must duo that to defeat trump, critically important, we
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must also bring a coalition or a movement together to enact the change that we need starting in january of 2021. >> we have to leave it there, we're out of time. i think we have discussed off mic that you're going to give me a good tex mex recommendation. i expect that to be on the table when we get there. deal. >> thank you. >> many thanks to brourge for sitting wi -- beto o'rourke for sitting with more for an interview. r si with more for an interview when you shop for your home at wayfair,
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>> a block buster daily beast report this week, how the administration is fighting to deny rights to lbgt couples, the ability to pass citizenship down to their kids. under this policy, one of their twin boys, and i said twins, is an american citizen, but not the other who is also a twin.
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the banks are just one of the families affected by this new policy and they're fighting back. the aidan. and ethan and aidan are in charge but we will let the dads talk just for now. they're adorable. i will let you start this, andrew. i'm very confused by this story. these adorable children, ethan and aidan, are twins. but they're saying only ethan is american -- >> only aidan is american. >> so aidan is american and ethan is not? >> here's the thing, these are both of my twin sons on both certificates, they were born four minutes apart. >> and they're twins. and the state department is applying this policy that only
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recognizes aidan as a u.s. citizen at birth and sent us a rejection letter for ethan. >> how can they do that though? let's go to quickly, what is your nationality? >> i'm israeli born and i have a green card in the united states. >> so you're a green card american resident? >> correct. >> we were married in 2010 in toronto, canada. we always wanted to move to the united states, california, which was andrew's hometown but because offense of marriage act back then we could not. so we lived in canada, where we had our kids that are twins and they were created using assisted production technology. when we approached the u.s. consulate in toronto to get the passports, planning for our move -- >> which people do all the time. >> my brother, sisters, nieces, nephews all lived in california,
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so we were preparing with our cousins. and we were really, really shocked to have the state department throw this wrench in us -- >> and saying only the kid with the biological connection to the u.s. parent deserves u.s. citizenship at birth. >> this makes no sense because u.a, they're paternal twins. i was born outside of the united states. john mccain was born in panama, canal zone, and no one questioned whether he's american. ted cruz is technically canadian but he can run for president, he's so american. so i don't understand how -- to your understanding, with your attorneys, is this something the trump state department is simply implementing for oim same-sex couples? >> actually, this policy was in place many years ago. and the immigration law is very simple, if you are a child born outside of the united states to
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parents and one of them is a u.s. citizen, then he's a u.s. citizen at birth. he has a policy that's he's interpreting the immigration and nationality act and saying there needs to be a biological connection, the law itself does not require such a biological connection. >> what i don't understand, you have a biological connection. >> so the state department required us to take this dna test, the results of a dna prove that aidan was biologically connected to me. ethan is not. ethan is biologically connected to alad, even though we're both on the birth certificates. >> may i just reiterate, they're fraternal twins, with your sperm, so they each have a biological connection to you and they are born in the same womb, they are twins in the womb together. >> exactly. here we are in a situation where i'm an american citizen, aidan
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is an american citizen, alad has his green card and aidan on an expires visa. >> what are they trying to do, deport the family? >> they have not done that yet n february we had a victory where a judge in california declares ethan is a u.s. citizen at birth. and the state department was misapplying the law to ethan. so the state department is appealing that decision which has thrown us back into a fight. and we have to continue this legal fight until it is resolved by the court. >> so you have to go back to court with the federal government of the united states to fight for the logical conclusion that your children are american citizens, which they are and would be if you were a heterosexual couple? >> correct. the thing is as a heterosexual couple no one would have asked us who are they related to,
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because both of the name as peer on the birth certificate and that's the end of story. but for the state department, that's not enough. >> that's what we said, asking such probing questions and telling me they're going to deny my child even though he's biologically connected to me. what if alad was a female and i was the american and i was infertile and we had to get a sperm donor, she said the presumption of parentage would be that you are. so it really feels like we are being treated differently. >> have your lawyers been concerned if you lose this case, that this is an attempt to set a precedent that simply invalidates marriages? >> we don't know what's going to happen. we can't assume what the government will do. we're appealing it now and will fight for our kids and take it wherever we need to take it in order to fight for our family and other families. >> i appreciate you guys coming down and bringing these adorable kids. they've taken over the show.
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in the break and said we needed puppy cam to make people happy. look the you delivering! >> i know! i'm not letting you have all of the fun. you get cute little boys and babies. so i got a baby too! he does not want to hear me talk about donald trump though. >> no. here we go, my friend. i will see you tomorrow. hi, 9:00 noon in the east, 12 in the west, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." joe biden's big pitch. where he stands in the poll r polls. migrant detainees, where they are and being flown to another state. and bill barr facing questions about who he serves, the president or the public? plus, omar


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