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female, black, white, i don't care. you are three of those things. >> indeed. >> so rick marsh is listening. >> yeah. so, mr. marsh, first of all, i want to thank you for having the courage to tell your story, and to share with us your family and the circumstances including your daughter and all that she needs and that you have fought for for her. listen, he's right. he is right. and the reality is that under the current administration we have a president who has been playing games with workers. on the issue of trade we have a president of the united states who has been playing games. he made promises to workers in america. those promises he did not keep, and instead he's been conducting trade policy by tweet which has resulted in farmers having to
have bins full of soybeans sitting around rotting because they could not sell them to china where they had cultivated a market over decades. as a result of trade by tweet we have families who are paying more for washing machines and shampoo and clothing. as a result of the so-called trade policies of this administration and this president, over 700,000 workers auto workers, are likely to lose their jobs, like mr. marsh's story because of this policy. >> can i just tell the msnbc audience what's going on here? we are now two minutes into overtime, into brian williams' "11th hour." brian williams is working tonight. he is going to come on. we're going to extend into overtime just a couple more minutes to get in the final questions here in south
carolina. people out there waiting for brian, you're going to get him. we're going to go right to the next question. >> here's what i want to say to finish, lawrence. as a result of what we have seen in terms of this administration's trade policy which has hurt workers, what we have instead is what we should all recognize is the trump trade tax. we are all paying a price for the policies which have resulted in the trump trade tax. we're paying more for washing machines and shampoos. we're paying more in terms of our farmers having to eat the cost of having soybeans that they have been growing, rotting in bins. we are paying more in terms of auto workers losing their jobs. it has not been smart, and it has not been in the best interest of the productivity and the workers of our country. >> all right. we're going to get in one more right here. go ahead. >> hi, senator harris. i'm charlotte keepers. i turn 18 tomorrow. the first time i vote will be in the south carolina primary. >> that's great. thank you.
that's great. >> i was wondering what you have to say to my friends and my generation who just don't think it's important to vote and are kind of tired of this political process. >> well, i'm so glad you're here, charlotte, and happy birthday, and it's so important that you're here. listen, our democracy is at its strongest and most powerful when everyone participates. and the reality of it is this. you know, i think of us as being a nation that was founded on noble ideals. right? and part of the strength of who we are as a nation is by our very nature we are aspirational. we are an aspirational people. we were founded on noble ideals. the ideals that were present when we wrote the constitution of the united states and the amendments and the bill of rights and declaration of
independence. we said you are equal and should be treated that way. and this is a moment in time where we must fight for those ideals. and it's a fight born out of aspiration. we know we've not yet quite reached those ideals, but the strength of who we are is we always fight to get there, and this fight will not be meaningful or robust unless everyone participates. and that includes you and all your friends and all of the people in our country, because we are all in this together. the thing i think we know right now is this, this is a moment in time for us to look in the mirror and ask a question. that question being who are we? part of the answer to that question is we are better than this. >> yes. >> so let's fight for that. let's fight for that. let's fight for that, and let's know this is a fight that is born out of optimism and this is
especially for you and your friends and those who are 18 and thinking about voting and should they be involved? listen, this is a fight that's also born out of knowing what can be unburdened by what has been. and i can't think of a group of folks who are best equipped to know what can be than our young voters. i'm so happy you're here. >> and we have our last question right here. >> hi, senator harris. my name is judy cig. my question is in a field of two dozen democratic hopefuls, number one, why are you the one who can beat donald trump? and, number two, when you are the nominee, would you consider asking rachel maddow to be your running mate? >> she is terrific, and i always love the way that she and lawrence pass the baton one after the other. >> brian is really waiting for
me to pass the baton. >> i will tell you and i'll try and make it short. and i'll answer the first question which is this, i believe that we are going to want on that stage in the general election someone who has a proven ability to know how to fight and win fights. i have that experience. i have taken on everything from big oil to pharmaceutical companies. i've been in the big banks, around the foreclosure crisis where i brought $20 billion back to the homeowners of california. on almost any subject you can discuss with me, i have a proven track record of actually working on that. i think we're going to want on that stage someone who can do more than just give a beautiful speech. the second part is we're going to want on that stage someone who has a proven ability to know how to successfully prosecute the case against the policies of this administration. i know how to do that.
and we're going to win. and we're going to win. >> and that will have to be tonight's last word from our town hall here. thank you, spartanburg. thank you, senator harris, very much. really appreciate it. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. tonight there's been another first for american foreign policy. the american president while overseas attacks a former vice president and sides with a dictator before wishing troops a happy memorial day. also tonight the republican congressman calling for impeachment speaks at a town hall meeting in his michigan congressional district telling his constituents it's the duty of congress to keep the president in check. and news tonight from the 2020 candidates including kamala harris right here on this network and joe biden in a rare
stop on the campaign trail. "the 11th hour" on a tuesday night begins now. a belated good evening from our nbc news headquarters in new york. this was day 859 of the trump administration. the president spent the memorial day weekend in japan, a visit intended to show up relations with our allies. while there he was honored at a ceremony to meet the new emperor. he attended a sumo wrestling tournament. he also played golf and engaged in a first in u.s. foreign relations that we know of. igniting this latest controversy on twitter, and we quote, north korea fired off some small weapons which disturbed some of my people, and others but not me. i have confidence that chairman kim will keep his promise to me and also smiled when he called swamp man joe biden a low i.q.
individual and worse. perhaps that's sending me a signal. so in the same instant there the president managed to criticize a former u.s. vice president while on foreign soil while distancing himself from his national security adviser john bolton and the prime minister of japan where they take north korean missile launches very seriously. and then when given the chance at a press conference, the president took it further. >> do you believe that they violated u.n. resolutions with the short range missile launch? >> my people think it could have been a violation, as you know. i view it differently. i view it as a man, perhaps he wants to get attention and perhaps not. who knows? it doesn't matter. all i know is that there have been no nuclear tests. there have been no ballistic missiles going out. there have been no long-range missiles going out. and i think that someday we'll have a deal.
>> later as trump was asked about tensions between the u.s. and iran, the split with his third national security adviser became even clearer. >> it has a chance to be a great country with the same leadership. we're not looking for regime change. i just want to make that clear. we're looking for no nuclear weapons. >> that's a change for john bolton who served in several republican administrations. he has long advocated regime change in iran. "the new york times" reporters peter baker joins us in a moment along with maggie haberman. trump undercuts bolton on north korea and iran. the undercutting is raising questions about the administration's policy and personnel in the middle of confrontations with both long-term american adversaries. as we mentioned, the president appeared to embrace north korean dictator kim jong-un's insults about former vice president biden. the president was asked to further explain that. >> does it give you pause at all to be appearing to side with a
brutal dictator instead of with a fellow american, the former vice president, joe biden? >> well, kim jong-un made a statement that joe biden is a low i.q. individual. he probably is based on his record. i think i agree with him on that. >> that didn't go over too well with some members of the president's own party, though most lacked the courage to speak up. republican congressman peter king of new york did write, quote, wrong for trump to criticize joe biden in japan and to agree with kim jong-un. politics stops at the water's edge. never right to side with murderous dictator versus fellow american. biden's campaign waited until trump was back in the country to issue the statement, the president's comments are beneath the dignity of the office. to be on foreign soil on memorial day and to side repeatedly with a murderous dictator against a fellow american and former vice president speaks for itself and a part of a pattern of embracing autocrats at the
expense of our institutions whether taking putin's word at face value in helsinki or exchanging love letters with kim jong-un. not long after that, trump fired back with this, we quote again, i was actually sticking up for sleepy joe biden while on foreign soil. kim jong-un called him a low i.q. idiot and many other things whereas i related the quote of chairman kim as a much softer low i.q. individual. who could possibly be upset with that? and with that this reminder, our president travels to the uk and france next monday. then on june 28th he is scheduled to go back to japan for the g-20 meeting including talks with putin of russia and xi of china. with us for our leadoff discussion on a back to work tuesday night, the aforementioned peter baker for
"the new york times," sumi terri, a former senior analyst at the cin. she was in charge of this region while on the white house national security council. and jeremy bash, former chief house at cia and pentagon as well as former chief counsel for the former intel committee. peter, i ask you at least once a week what just happened. on top of that a subset question, is anyone buying stock in john bolton? >> well, that's a great question. look, the whole idea that we don't -- the politics stops at the water's edge has probably been moot for quite a while. it's not the first time this president has been overseas with either he or his people back home engaged in politics. but it is striking to see him endorse somebody like kim jong-un against the sitting vice president even though we know he thinks the sitting vice president isn't somebody who should be in office. that's just -- that's an unusual thing. it does make you wonder also about john bolton. as you said, john bolton does believe in a stronger policy on iran and north korea than this
president does historically, he does. he'll tell you if you were to get him to sit down he would say that he works with whoever the president is and it's whoever the president's policy that he follows even if it's different than his own. but, you know, we're hearing more grumbling from the president about john bolton. you're hearing about it in private and now spilling over to the public and it causes confusion understandably among our allies and our adversaries overseas. what's the policy? who really is in charge? do they need to listen to john bolton or mike pompeo or listen to the president? and i think that's one thing that given these trips coming up as you point out to england and back to japan, a lot of people will be paying attention. >> sue, i have a reading for you from ashley parker in "the washington post." abe meanwhile referred to the north korean tests with great regret, though, in an apparent attempt to maintain his bromance with trump, abe also credited the president with beginning negotiations with north korea saying trump cracked open the shell of distrust with the regime.
for japanese officials, one of the main goals was simply to strengthen the u.s./japan relationship and abe is a careful student of trump not understanding, that is, among other things that he is most likely to influence the president when physically by his side. how dangerous is it that this is where we are right now? >> it's very dangerous. and president trump knows that this short range missile tests were in violation of united nations security council resolutions. he knows that. resolutions say they ban all ballistic missile tests not just long range, medium range, intercontinental ballistic missile range but short range missiles do threaten japan. for president trump to go contradict prime minister abe and his own national security adviser in japan to say, oh, these are small tests, it doesn't really matter, it is dangerous, and it's sending a wrong signal to north korea. kim jong-un wants attention. that part is correct.
by dismissing this, kim jong-un has no choice but to continually escalate, ramp up, dial up this pressure, and i predict that he's going to continue more pressure, more controlled provocations are coming. i think we should expect something like a medium range missile test maybe end of summer. they will fly over japan. so, this is very dangerous. north korea is continuing their nuclear and missile program. and president trump's rhetoric i don't think is helping. >> jeremy, that's a bracing prediction sue just made especially given her knowledge of the region. were there any takeaways? was there any deliverables out of this gathering or just what it is we're talking about here? >> well, brian, this was a very easy trip for the president to make. it was almost completely ceremonial to meet the new emperor, which only happens once in a generation. the president had no big policy lifts. heavy policy lifts, yet he managed to absolutely whiff it. i mean, he stood up there on the stage. he said i don't know whether or not these missile tests were a u.n. security council violation.
i agree with sue, these were definitively violations. it shows the region and the world the president is hopelessly confused on north korea. he seems totally desperate to win kim jong-un's affection to not upset him in any way, to allow kim jong-un to continuously escalate possibly to the extent that we just discussed a nuclear test or an icbm test. and in effect, we're giving kim jong-un a lot more running room and we're getting nothing for it. >> peter, this is from your colleague annie carny. from his particular fixation on mr. biden to his constant caste situation of democrats overall, mr. trump underlined the reality that his unshakable bond was with his twitter megatone. it was evidence to his -- it was evident that his main interest was not where his hosts had gone to such lengths to direct it on security and trade in asia, but instead was on fighting with his perceived political enemies. and, peter, who is there?
who is around the president to ask about the rigor of foreign policy to see if it's being carried out and upheld? >> that's a great question. if he's losing trust in john bolton, and that's a big if, it makes you wonder who is filling that gap. is it mike pompeo? certainly patrick shanahan has been a low key figure at the defense department so far. who is the president leaning on? his chief of staff mick mulvaney is a former congressman not particularly long experience in foreign policy. it also may be that some of this is faint and negotiation tactic. right? is there a good cop/bad cop situation going on in which he has no problem with john bolton going out there and saying tougher things while he the president pulls it back a little bit. he once tweeted not too long ago it keeps everybody confused. people are confused about american foreign policy. he thought that might be a good
thing because he likes being unpredictab unpredictable. foreign policy officials don't like unpredirectability. they like certainty. that's not what they're getting in this administration. that's the challenge for both allies and adversaries. >> sue, go back to something you mentioned earlier, and we've talked about it before. the relevance that kim jong-un craves on the world stage. for example, we've never allowed a u.s. president to meet with the head of north korea before this president. >> right. no. north koreans have always asked for a meeting with u.s. presidents. that was not something that was unusual. they have always asked and sought to sit down with the president of the united states. it was only president trump who decided to do so. again, i think you can -- you can make the argument that we should try that out at the highest level, because negotiation with north korea did not work out for the past 25 years but you don't rush into it. you need to be disciplined and you need to have a plan. and i don't think we do. i mean, since singapore
declaration, now it's about a year since the first summit and we have nothing. we still don't have -- we're completely at an impasse with north korea. in fact, as i said, north korea is continually working on their missile program, their nuclear program. i think they're now in this path where they are going to amp up the pressure. we're going to expect more provocations. >> you see their media and understand the language. how do you think they are reacting to this tonight? he is still quoting kim jong-un on social media. >> i mean, i don't know what kim jong-un makes of that to side with a tyrant and just to what he -- to criticize or call vice president biden with low i.q., i mean, that's beyond unpresidential. but more importantly, i don't think it helps tactically. north korea, it's not going to not pursue nuclear weapons program just because trump is flattering kim or siding with kim. what kim jong-un is now looking for is sanctions relief, maximum
sanctions relief, and unless we're ready to give that, they're going to amp up the pressure. i have a feeling we are -- we should be buckling down for more provocations to come. >> jeremy bash, on the president's travel schedule as we mentioned, think about this. the uk which is in the middle of being split in two over brexit, france where as we've chronicled macron has been having his problems. onto japan again for putin and xi among others. i'm tempted to see what could go wrong. i guess the other way of asking it is, what should americans demand go right on these trips? >> well, i think we should demand consistency. this idea that being deliberately vague is a diplomatic tact, that may work in limited circumstances. i think it's much more dire, much more dysfunctional than that. i think the president and his advisers fundamentally don't agree. they don't agree on the approach vis-a-vis russia. the president wants to go soft and be obsequious to putin and
the president wants to give kim jong-un a pass and others want to foster things like regime change. if you look at john bolton's memoir which i've gone through tonight after reading peter baker's story, on page 313, john bolton talks about the koreans needing to rise up and -- it's a fractured administration ideologically in terms of policy. i think this confusion transmits a very uncertain and, frankly, weak message for adversaries around the world. >> so much to talk about on this back to work tuesday night to peter baker. sue mi terry and jeremy bash, our thanks for coming on and helping us with that. coming up, with no idea how he'd be received the republican member of congress pushing for impeachment goes in front of his constituents in his conservative michigan district. we'll ask one of his fellow house oversight committee members what to expect next. and later parts of the deadly storm system that tore through the midwest still a
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to uphold the law, to have the highest standard more than anyone else. >> among the first public comments tonight from congressman justin amash since he became the first republican to call for the president's impeachment. earlier today amash took aim at attorney general william barr as part of a long thread he posted on social media. it boiled down to this. attorney general barr has deliberately misrepresented key aspects of robert mueller's report and decisions in the investigation which has helped further the president's false narrative about the investigation. president trump has instructed barr to investigate the origins of the mueller investigation. former fbi director james comey weighed in today in "the washington post," quote, go ahead. investigate the investigators if you must. when those investigations are over, you will find the work was done appropriately and focused
only on discerning the truth of very serious allegations. there was no corruption. there was no treason. there was no attempted coup. those are lies and dumb lies at that. here to talk about all of it we welcome to the broadcast congressman raja, a democrat of illinois who serves on both the house intelligence and oversight committees. congressman, welcome. what's the distance between amash's position and yours and we note again for our viewers he's a republican, you're a democrat. >> yes. well, first of all, i'm so glad to see folks displaying independent opinions on the other side of the aisle. that's definitely a reason for hope. on the other hand, with me in particular, i'm not there yet on impeachment. i'm staring at the challenge right in front of our face right now, which is an administration which doesn't believe that it's
really accountable to anybody, and not willing to cooperate with us on basic oversight tasks. that being said, we're starting to see cracks in the opposition. and we're starting to see courts side with us with regard to enforcing our investigative powers including with regard to subpoenas. so there's reason for hope, because of these developments. but we need to press forward. >> let me ask another question about politics. if republicans in the house had a free pass for a day where they were guaranteed the president wasn't going to say tough things about them on twitter and they weren't going to get primaried back home, how many of them do you think would come to the other side? how many of them do you think are already where amash is but lack the fortitude to say so publicly? >> it's a great question. i don't know the answer. i know that there's probably some who probably harbor similar concerns to mr. amash.
on the other hand, others have already publicly come out and asked for more documents and materials to pursue their own investigations. for instance, senator burr within the senate intelligence committee actually subpoenaed don junior to come back and testify because of inconsistencies in his testimony, and, of course, there it looks like don junior is coming back to testify. in our own house intelligence committee, interestingly enough, chairman adam schiff and devin nunez came together to request counterintelligence documents from the department of justice, and they exceeded to a preliminary request. of course, there is a subpoena outstanding as well. so we're starting to see some republicans come on board for this type of oversight. but i'd like to see more. >> some of the democrats watching tonight are no doubt getting frustrated. the mueller report came out, and
one way of looking at it is for lack of a writer, it is a dense, hard to read document. congressman amash was still in the business of asking people to read the report tonight at his town hall. so the report comes out. the nadler's committee, judiciary took their one moral high ground moment and devoted that to a bucket of kentucky fried chicken. they've been relegated to angry letters and threats of contempt. everything seems bogged downright now. how can you assure the people watching on behalf of the two committees you serve on of very consequential intel and oversight that the wheels are going to start turning? >> i'll just point to two court decisions last week which happened within three days of each other. from the oversight committee's perspective, we had demanded financial records from the mazar's accounting firm.
that's the president's accounting firm. and, of course, the president then intervened and filed suit to stop that accounting firm from producing documents in response to our subpoena. they were doing that to delay the proceedings. maybe to run out the clock even through the 2020 elections. but interestingly, the court in that case expedited the process and actually delivered an opinion last monday vindicating our right to have that information. two days later in the southern district of new york the federal district court similarly enforced our subpoena with regard to deutsche bank in producing financial documents that might indicate connections to money laundering by the russians. these were unexpected. brian, many people thought that we would never get these documents, and now it looks like they are within sight. and i think that's what also prompted the department of
justice, by the way, to produce some documents to chairman adam schiff's committee, the intelligence committee with regard to counterintelligence. so those developments to me suggest that perhaps the republicans should rethink their delay and obstruction strategy. >> from the great city of chicago, congressman krishnamoorthi, thank you for coming on the broadcast with us this tuesday night. we appreciate you being here. >> thank you, brian. coming up for us, it's already a big issue in the 2020 campaign. one democratic candidate offering a new proposal regarding abortion just tonight. we'll talk about it when we come back. these folks, they don't have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter
we will fight for women and their right to make decisions about their own body and consultation with their physician, with their god, with their priest, with their rabbi, but when we look at a law like what's happening in alabama and they're saying they're going to sentence a doctor to 99 years, as a prosecutor, let me tell you, i got a real problem with that. i have a real problem with that. >> last hour during an eventful msnbc town hall, presidential candidate kamala harris also laid out a proposal that will require states to get approval for changes to future abortion laws. >> when elected i'm going to put in place and require that states that have a history of passing legislation that is designed to prevent or limit a
woman's access to reproductive health care, that those laws have to come before my department of justice for a review and approval and until we determine that they are constitutional, they will not take effect. >> that sounds like it needs 60 votes in the united states senate. >> you know what, everything we need to do is going to require 60 votes in the united states senate which is why i would say to everybody 2020 is about the white house and the united states senate. >> all of this as the supreme court upheld an indiana law requiring that abortion providers bury or cremate fetal remains, but the court left in place lower court rulings invalidating a measure that would prevent a woman from having an abortion based on a woman's race or gender. we welcome beth of the associated press.
these days she's nbc news senior politics editor, and laura back with us, national political reporter for politico. welcome to you both. beth, just to come off the conversation we had with the congressman, for those waiting on the nadler committee who may be frustrated at the pace post mueller report, is this the issue that democrats were waiting for? >> well, the issue that democrats were waiting for is something to galvanize women and certainly that is what we're seeing with this current crisis one could call it in the courts. we have of course on the democratic side women being the heart and soul of the democratic party. women came out in 2018 in huge numbers. many of whom voted for republicans in the past. white women, women in the suburbs, college educated who flipped, voted for democrats. that's what democrats are counting on this time. to bring those women back who might typically vote for a republican. a different type of republican than donald trump, but that will be galvanized to vote for democrats for a variety of
reasons and certainly reproductive health being one. >> how do you think kamala harris did? >> kamala harris was strong. this was a good issue for her. this is the theory of kamala harris' case, in this large field, she as a woman and a woman of color is going to reach out and appeal to women and women of color who will form the backbone of this d.c. electorate and will probably choose the nominee. when an issue comes along like this that plays very much into her theory of the case, she grabbed on it effectively. >> laura, same questions to you about this issue and about the performance we witnessed tonight. >> right. well, harris definitely tried to come out strong on the abortion issue. it's something a number of democrats have tried to own since the passage of the really restrictive abortion laws in alabama and other southern states. and one thing to note about that plan she unveiled tonight was that it's modeled after the voting rights act.
so that again speaks to her play to talk to minorities and women of color, something she hopes separates her from people like biden who's preaching more of a return to normalcy and is trying to focus on rural white voters. >> beth, let's talk about the rest of the field. first of all, if you're joe biden and you're at 35, 37 in the polls, it's fashionable right now within the press corps to say he's not having any events. he's barely out on the road. we saw him on the road today. why not stay in delaware and save money because as it is, it's buying you from 35 to 37 in the polls. >> he's not only saving money. he's making money. he's out fund-raising. that is something he started at basically at zero a month ago. he has to catch up to big raisers like bernie sanders very, very quickly. but the other point obviously is that he is staying off the campaign trail where as we know he can be prone to gaffes.
right now all democratic voters want to do is to beat trump. they don't really care who is the candidate to do it. they want to be convinced who've they nominate can do that. right now voters seem to believe that he is the one. he does not want to pierce that impression of inevitable electability. if he goes out at a campaign event and says something old joe biden, that veil of electability would go away immediately and the rest of the field would emerge, so biden is probably being smart by staying away for a bit. he can't stay away for long. iowa, polling shows him closer in iowa than national polls. he's got to go campaign there if he's going to win. >> laura, here's what i was talking about. this is "the washington post" reporting on the biden campaign schedule thus far. since entering the race four weeks ago, biden has held 11 public events. that's according to his campaign. beto o'roarke held nearly four times that number in the same period. kirsten gillibrand who is lagging in the polls planned 11
stops in iowa just over the holiday weekend. elizabeth warren showed her face to the public at 27 events in four weeks since biden entered the race. cory booker has had at least 27 events scheduled in the same time span and bernie sanders has had at least 17 announced engagements. most of those candidates, i just mentioned, laura, are at single digits. >> right. >> so you see why the biden strategy thus far at least has been not damaging to joe biden. >> exactly. if you're joe biden, you don't need to be out there campaigning this early. you already have the name recognition that a lot of these other candidates are trying to get. if you're beto o'roarke or if you're kirsten gillibrand, you need to go to those events because you're trying to introduce yourself to voters that may not know who you are. biden was former vice president of the u.s. and a senator for decades. that's why these candidates are having to hold multiple
events for weeks on end. and the question is whether or not any of them can catch up to him. we have seen that in recent polls warren has started to tick up, and whether or not she's able to continue that is something to look at. >> and donald trump sure seems to believe he is running against joe biden at least up until now. beth and laura both agreed to stay with us. we're going to slip in a break here. coming up, the democrats are finding a new way to try to get under this president's skin. we'll talk about this when we come back. (client's voice) remember that degree you got in taxation?
i wasn't around for vietnam, but what i know is that this president used his status as a very wealthy very privileged person to create a fake account of having a disability so that he didn't have to serve. >> 2020 democratic presidential candidates who served in the military are aiming their criticism at president trump and his medical deferment during the
vietnam war. mayor pete served in afghanistan as a navy intelligence officer. and here's what the massachusetts democratic senator seth moulton, a marine corps captain told us on sunday. >> do you think that donald trump is a patriotic man? >> no. i don't think that lying to get out of serving your country is patriotic. and don't forget, you know, when donald trump did that, and he did it multiple times, it's not like there was some empty seat in vietnam. someone had to go in his place. i'd like to meet the american hero someday who went in donald trump's place to vietnam. i hope he's still alive. >> robert costa of "the washington post" points out tonight trump has long defended his deferment as legitimate. more productly he portrays himself as a vigorous friend of the military pushing for a
buildup of the armed forces praising military leaders. reaching out to veterans and promising to avoid misguided wars. but the questioning of the 1969 diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels presents a challenge for a commander in chief who has tapped generals for his cabinet and asked the pentagon to plan a parade celebrating the military. it could test whether the president's political coalition which includes many military families can be cracked. interesting question for our guests beth, fouhy and laura barron-lopez. beth, have at it. do you think this is a way in to donald trump for anyone but the candidates who served in uniform? >> well, i think we've learned over the course of the last four years many of the things donald trump sold himself as, presented himself as as a candidate have proven really not to be quite the story that donald trump told. this is one of those many things that we knew about it during the 2016 campaign. it was just kind of bakeed into
the cake. strangely enough, didn't come up that much in the gop primaries. they tend to talk about those issues more thoroughly, it didn't really come up in the big field of 17 candidates. and it's interesting, brian, because this whole sort of issue as to how did somebody get out of vietnam it was supposed to end when the baby boomers ran, bill clinton, george w. bush, those were centerpiece issues for them. we've moved past that with barack obama, now bringing it back around to donald trump, especially coming from a young military veteran a la pete buttigieg or seth moulton, they're bringing up a major fallacy in president trump's story that could offend some. that's noteworthy. >> i guess that becomes the question to you, is there traction here and if so, for whom and how much?
>> candidates like seth moulton think there's a lot of traction here. from the beginning he said he wants to be the foreign policy candidate, and if there is a way in for him to do that, we can expect him an maybe buttigieg to really seize on it. moulton also today, you know, in this vein announced that he has has dealt with ptsd since serving and also announced a plan to expand access to medical health for veterans and those serving in the military. this is something that a number of democrats running feel they can really go at trump with. that being said, someone like biden may not go this route because he himself received deferments. >> beth, here's the more interesting question to me. take pete buttigieg, he is a rhodes alcohol -- scholar, medium city mayor.
will donald trump know how to come back at this guy? >> and gay, and married to his husband, yet another interesting data point in the collection of things we know about pete buttigieg. the answer is yes. but pete has a lot of work to do before he gets on the stage with donald trump. we see little evidence he has support among african-american voters. even the city that he's mayor of, south bend, indiana, with a large black population, there weren't a lot of black faces in that audience when he announced so he needs to step up and improve his performance in that community in particular if he gets close to the idea of winning that nomination and going up against donald trump. >> laura, do you share in the read of our current news coverage that it's the senior women had this race that are polling very well, but because of the biden dynamic, they're not getting the commensurate news media attention that they
should? >> i think the biden dynamic has something to do with that. it's a lack of name recognition and been frustration among harris and booker and warren camp because their stories are pretty much already known they're not treated in the same way that buttigieg or beto o'rourke were treated right at the beginning but we've seen which is from people like warren and harris they're not changing their strategy. they're hoping that by sticking to their game plan, they can emerge as the cycle goes on. >> hey, gang, let's do this again. thanks for joining us, beth fouhy and laura barron-lopez. coming up, the experts say we're entering uncharted territory after almost two weeks straight of extreme weather, and it's not as of the time of this broadcast over yet. that story, when we come back.
this thing is at least three quarters of a mile if not a mile wide. there are houses completely gone. completely gone. >> this is an ef-4. this is an ef-4. >> yeah, this is, as jerry is saying right now, this could potentially be ef-4 damage, guys. this is bad. this is really, really bad. >> lynnwood, kansas, just tonight. that brings us to the last thing before we go. as a way of expressing how wild and how violent the weather in our country has been just over these last 24 hours, tonight, newark, new jersey, was under a tornado warning, not a watch because a tornado had been detected in the air, aloft. this is news because of how rare that is. tornado activity along the most densely populated corridor of the most densely populated state
in the union. there was also news tonight as we saw from the part of our country known as tornado alley where the big stuff is feared every bit as much, but much less rare. a massive tornado touched down in lawrence county, missouri, tonight. it was on the ground for nearly an hour. it has left behind extensive damage. the light of day will show much more. the midwest has endured 13 straight days of tornadoes. more are expected in the coming days because of the dominating air mass. the big news overnight last night was the twister near dayton just before midnight on monday. according to the national weather service, it was a 3 on a 5 scale. winds up to 140 miles an hour. at least one person in ohio was killed. a nightmare for those who lived through it. >> the walls shook like an earthquake, and it was so deafening, and the pressure in
the tiny bathroom was -- i can't -- there's no description for it. >> this used to be my garage. that was my neighbor's shed. >> the sound is worse than a car accident. the sound of cars colliding if you're in it. and there's nothing you can do to prepare yourself for it. >> one more way to put it, more than 500 tornadoes reported in the past month alone. 50 of them were just in these past two days. and with that, that is our broadcast for this tuesday evening, as we start a vacation delayed new week. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from our nbc news headquarters here in new york.
attorney general. now as the state's junior senator she's taken her prosecutorial skills to the national stage. >> has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone? >> senator kamala harris has defined who she's for. >> my whole life i've only had one client, the people. >> but how will she go up against the president? >> i disagree with almost every policy perspective he has offered. >> and why does she think she's the one to take him on? >> we know the power of the people and we know we are all in this together. >> tonight, just one month away from the first democratic debate, kamala harris prosecutes her political case against donald trump.