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sir, to you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> tonight join msnbc for a nation in crisis in a special report, brian williams, rachel and nicole take a hard look at gun violence, domestic terrorism and hate in america. that is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that wraps up things for us this hour. ali velshi picks things up right now. >> we'll see you later on. we have much more on our top story this afternoon, president trump's response to the mass shootings in el paso and dayton in just a moment. but i have to begin with breaking news from wall street where the markets are seeing their worst drop of the war as the trade war between the united states and china intensifies. this isn't actually the worst it's been all day. the dow was down nearly 900 points just a few minutes ago. we are slightly off session lows right now, which is a good thing. but that is still more than a 3% loss on the dow. let's take a look at the other indices. you know i like to look at the
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s&p 500. it's probably got more to do with what your portfolio looks like. it's down a similar percentage point. the nasdaq is down by a greater percentage than the dow. joining me now to take a closer look at this is somebody i turn to when things require an explanation. and the question for you, bill, is why is today different? we've had this trade war for a while. what has happened to cause investors to get this spooked? >> i'll tell you what is different. it has to do with currencies. up to this point it has been just between the u.s. and china. they keep upping their tariffs against each other and that affects the u.s. and china. but with what chinese government did overnight by allowing their currency to fall to a ten-year low against the dollar, that affects the whole world now. because china and the u.s. are the two largest economies in the world. they trade with virtually everybody. and if we start moving currency
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levels down and down and down, that makes everybody else's products that much more expensive when they want to sell them to china or the united states. and we're already in a world economy that's slowing down. if you start making things more expensive and reduce the demand for those products, the economy is going to slow down even more. that's why we're seeing the sell-off not only here but in europe this morning and overnight in asia as well. >> we'll continue to track it with you. thank you very much as always for joining me. bill griffith over at cnbc. now to the tragedy that we've been following. two mass shootings over one weekend, just 13 hours apart, 31 people killed. 22 of them killed by a young man armed with an assault-style rifle who terrorized a walmart, in dayton, ohio nine people killed by a young man with a .223 caliber assault rifle
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with just 32 seconds between the first shot and the last shot. while victims, survivors, family members, politicians, everyday americans struggle with the appropriate reaction to these tragedies and how to stop the violent trend unique to america, president trump gave his thoughts on what he thinks contributed to the mass shootings. none of them, by the way, involved guns. >> in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. hate has no place in america. we must recognize that the internet has provided a dangerous avenue to radicalize disturbed minds and perform demented acts. we must stop the glorification of violence in our society. this includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun. >> lots to analyze there.
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the video game mention was particularly interesting. we've got reporters covering all angles of the story. i want to get to the white house with hans nichols. what have you got? >> when you talk to white house officials on how they think the president did, it's clear that they think the president hit all the notes that he wanted to hit, that his staff wanted to hit. they like the message that he delivered. they think he was on point and that they want more attention drawn to what they say is president trump's forceful denuns yagz of white supremacy and domestic terrorism. they watched the media coverage and they likely the fact that they were listing the five to six bullet points that some of the cables were running as they were watching and digesting the president's speech. from the white house perspective they think the president hit the right notes and now the question becomes is whether or not the president not muddies it, but whether or not he walks away from this very diplomatic room speech, this address, and what he says on twitter and or at
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rallies. ali. >> hans, thank you very much. i want to bring in msnbc senior national correspondent chris jansing, who is in el paso and she's been following the story closely for us. just today people will have thought they've been watching this coverage since saturday night, but this morning the death toll went from 20 to 21 and then to 22. >> absolutely devastating as you can imagine, ali. and really very quickly after that news became public just a few hours ago. there's a makeshift memorial behind me just up the hill from the parking lot of the walmart and the crowds have not stopped. i talked to one couple who had been in their car, heard it on the radio, stopped, bought flowers and brought it. everyone feeling the need to come together, what is a devastating time. they also know that a lot of these families are being called in now to identify the bodies. and in addition to that, we got news today that yesterday the 21
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year old suspect appeared before a magistrate. he was read his miranda rights. he also said that he would like a court-appointed attorney. the magistrate told msnbc he was attentive and responded to her questions. the next step will be a grand jury and we already know that the district attorney is going to be seeking the death penalty. but when i asked folks last night at the memorial and today about the suspect, they don't want to talk about him. they don't want to give him any attention, even though most of them had already read his writings, were devastate by the hate they saw in them. in particular, three teenage girls who were at a memorial last night in inter faith service, thousands of people turned out. i saw that they had been crying and they said that this news has been absolutely shattering. take a listen. >> i'm having to like realize that racism is so alive and strong that people are willing
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to kill us for it. i never had to come to terms with my own mortality for being hispanic. >> just hearing that one of us wasn't safe was shocking and it revealed that the world isn't so nice. >> we're supposed to be one of the meft countries in the world and this is still happening and people are dying, simply because they were born slightly south than them. simply because they're slightly darker than someone else. >> this community trying to wrap its head around the idea that someone would get in a car and drive 650 miles specifically to target them. if there's one story, ali, that i hear repeated over and over, almost every person i speak to says it's about the 25-year-old mother who was shot dead while she was holding her 2-month-old. he is going to be okay. he had to be hospitalized. this is now the deadliest attack against latinos in u.s. history.
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ali. >> chris, thank you. let's head northeast to dayton, ohio. the sight of the second mass shooting 13 hours after the attack in el paso. joining me from there is msnbc correspondent kathy park. what is the latest from dayton? >> ali, good afternoon to you. so as the investigation moves forward, law enforcement officials are not any closer to finding a motive. however, they are combing through the evidence at the suspect's home which is about 30 minutes away from where we are right now. also they're looking through the evidence that was collected on the ground as well as digital evidence. during the last press briefing there were questions about the sister. we've been reporting all day long that the sister of the gunman was one of the nine victims and the police chief did not elaborate on that connection there. and so she apparently was in the same vehicle as the gunman, they arrived near the scene. they separated and it isn't clear what happened after that.
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i thought, ali, what was really interesting about this last update was how prepared this gunman was. here's what the police chief had to say. take a listen. >> all of those were completely at full capacity, including the loose rounds found on the ground near him, as well as in the backpack that he carried, he would have had a maximum of 250 round in his possession at the time. it's problematic. it is fundamentally problematic. to have that level of weaponry in a civilian environment, unregulated is problematic. >> and ali, something else to pass along. we know that 14 of the injured, they sustained gunshot wounds. there were also other injuries that were sustained as they were just fleeing the chaos after they heard the initial gunfire. but back here in the oregon district i do want to point out that it's really come alive
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here. some of the businesses have opened up shop. there is a lot of traffic here, both foot traffic and just a lot of vehicle traffic. and the bar where this incident happened right in front of it, there is a makeshift memorial that continues to grow. there are candles on the ground as hours ago there were evidence markers on the ground. this community is beginning the healing process. there were some regulars who were actually inside this bar. they said they're coming together. they said having conversations among one another and just being able to talk about this is helping them move forward. ali. >> kathy park in dayton, ohio for us. our coverage of this will continue. former president obama has just tweeted about the shootings. he's tweeted an image of an essay that he's written and i'm going to read that to you now. michelle and i grieve with all the families in el paso and dayton who endured these latest mass shootings. even if details are still emerging there are a few things we already know to be true.
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first, no other nation on earth comes close to experiencing the frequency of mass shootings that we see in the united states. no other developed nation tolerates the levels of gun violence that we do. every time this happens, we're told that tougher gun laws wouldn't stop all murders, that they won't stop every deranged individual from getting a weapon and shooting innocent people in public places. but the evidence shows they can stop some killings. they can save some families from heartbreak. we are not helpless here. and until all of us stand up and insist on holding public officials accountable for changing our gun laws, these tragedies will keep happening. second, while the motivations behind these shootings may not yet be fully known, there are indications that the el paso shooting follows a dangerous trend. troubled individuals who embrace racist ideologies and see themselves obligated to act violently to preserve white
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supremacy. like the followers of isis and other foreign terrorist organizations, these individuals may act alone, but they've been radicalized by white nationalist websites that proliferate on the internet. that means that law enforcement agencies and internet platforms need to come up with better strategies to reduce the influence of these hate groups. but just as important, all of us have to send a call and behave with the values of tolerance and diversity that should be the hallmark of our democracy. we should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments. leaders who demonize those who don't look like us or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life or refer to other people as sub-human or imply that america belongs to just one certain type of people, such language isn't
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new. it's been at the root of most human tragedy throughout history here in america and around the world. it is at the root of slavery and jim crow, the holocaust, the ethnic cleansing. it has no place in our politics and our public life and it's time for the overwhelming majority of americans of goodwill of every race and faith and political party to say as much. clearly and unequivocally. a post by president obama moments ago. as you just heard, former president obama's tweet, there's a renewed focus on online extremism. our reporters will take us inside the world of the dark web still ahead. but first, a man whose family knows all too well the effects of gun violence, martin luther king iii joins me next as he im plors the nation to consider, is this the america i want to live in?
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once again, the nation is reeling from two mass shootings. we hear calls for change. we ask what will this time be different? the family of dr. martin luther king, jr. is familiar with gun violence. the civil rights leader was assassinated. his son posted this on twitter on sunday. i challenge each and every one of you to ask yourselves, is this the america i want to live in? it's up to us to ignite change. it's not easy work, but we all
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have the ability within us to build a more loving community. we must act before it's too late. martin luther king iii joins me now. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> you are prescribing a solution to the problem that we're in right now that talks about undercutting the hatred that is behind some of these killings. not other things, not necessarily gun control, not necessarily mental health, or as the president said today, video games, but the idea that there's a hatred that's being fueled that is manifesting in gun violence. >> well, certainly. let me first say that my prayers go out to all of the family members and friends of victims who have been lost in these two tragedies, actually three if we count the one in gilroy. >> gilroy, california, yeah. >> but enough really is enough
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and i think our nation has to act now. it was certainly good to hear the president talk about racial tolerance, but it's the tone that has to be set by him and others. and it really means action. there are two bills, we know, that the house passed and the senate has refused to take action on it around gun violence. that would be just a first step. ultimately, yes, it is love in the hearts and minds of many throughout our nation, but there must be action first. >> when you say what kind of america should we want to live in, what is kind of remarkable that these days this has been a thing that america is associated with. the idea that we have repeated mass shootings in this country.
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>> yes, it is. it is not or should not be indicative of what this nation is and represents to us, as well as many around the world. people come to our shores because there has been opportunity. but there now seems to be a spirit of fear that is promoted. over 20 years ago, my wife worked to pull together a summit around hate crimes, and tragically, we need those kind of things today. bring a coalition of people together to talk about how do we reduce hate. the best of america we are not seeing. we end up seeing what is the worst part of who we are. now, interestingly enough, these tragedies do bring our communities together. but being together is okay, but action is what is needed. and so there must be a mandate and that leadership has to come or should come from the
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president. if the president is not able or refusing to act, the people must demand that the president acts and congress acts, the united states senate specifically. we can do better. >> as president obama just tweeted out -- >> we obviously are not at this time. >> president obama in that tweet, he said all of us have to send a call and behave with the values of tolerance and diversity that should be the hallmark of our democracy. we should reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist statements. leaders who don't look like us or threaten that immigrants threaten our way of hief or refer to other people as sub-human or imply that america belongs to just one certain type of people. president obama is in this making a reference to the language we have heard from president trump. he's not saying his name and
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it's probably closer than i have heard him come to being directly critical, because generally speaking, former presidents don't do that. he is articulating that leadership from the top in this country is not preventing this. it may be fueling it. >> i would have to say that it is certainly my point of view, as well as many others, that that feels exactly like what is happening. and division and hatred and those seeds are sewn deeply, and others decide to capitalize on what they've heard and carry out what they've heard. that is not the way that we as americans have dealt with crisis. i think in my family particularly, we've always used the method of non-violence, non-violent methodology. our society has allowed a culture of violence to exist. we have got to find a way to embrace, i believe, a culture of non-violence. and that has to be taught.
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people have to demand that we want non-violence in our schools. a school zone should always be a safe zone. no child should have to worry about going to school and feeling that he or she may be blown away by someone bringing a gun. we need to ban assault weapons. why does anybody need an assault weapon? these are very simple things that could be done with the stroke of a pen, but obviously there's been a great refusal at the highest levels of power in this country. that must change. >> martin luther king, iii, thank you for joining me today, sir. >> thank you. >> martin luther king, iii is a civil rights activist and the eldest son of martin luther king, jr. joining me on the phone senator kamala harris. senator harris, thank you for joining us. >> of course, ali. thank you. >> you just martin luther king, iii saying with the stroke of a
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pen these things can change. you have promised or threatened, depending on what one's perspective is, that if congress doesn't take action in the first 100 days that you're the president, you will. >> that's exactly right. and i'll tell you why, ali. i've been working on this issue for a number of years. i have worked on it as a district attorney, i worked on it as attorney general. i have attended too many officer funerals that i care to tell you. i have held mothers of homicide victims more than i care to tell you. i have looked at more autopsy photographs than i care to tell you. and it's enough. and frankly, listen, we're not waiting for a good idea. we've had all the good ideas. we've been having those good ideas for years. we're not waiting for another tragedy. we've seen the worst of human tragedies. what we are waiting for is congress to have the courage to act. i have said and i fully intend to do it, that when i'm
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elected -- 100 days to put a bill on my desk for signature, and if they do not, i will take executive action and put in place a comprehensive background check. that we put resources into the atf and i will by executive action ban the importation of assault weapons into our country. we need action, and if congress is going to continue to fail to act, then a president must. and i will do that. >> what's the issue? 90%, more than 90% of americans support some strengthening of gun laws in this country, and yet we can't get republicans to take this to the floor of the united states senate. mitch mcconnell. is this the nra as the lobby for the gun industry acting as a protection racket for people who hold up their views? >> it's funny you ask that. for years -- in my time in the
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senate it's been two years in a month, and i used to ask people is the nra real and i would get a mixed response. being in dc now, i have actually come to understand that the cliche is actually true. >> wow. >> the lobbyists in dc are very powerful and you can talk about it from insurance companies to farmers to the nra. and, you know, i think the nra's power is -- it is real, but it also has not been challenged. and the interesting thing about it, though, is that reasonable gun owners actually agree, those who are responsible agree that we need background checks. so there is a part of this that is the nra that has stood against any reasonable begun safety laws because from their perspective it opens the flood gates as opposed to just taking
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a stand and saying this is right. but i also think that if you really challenge gun owners and many members of the nra, we would agree we need reasonable safety laws. and here's the thing about it, ali. background checks, do you know what that's about? it's about saying you might want to know if someone has been found by a court to be a danger to themselves or others before they can buy a gun. you might just want to know if someone has been convicted of a violent crime before you let them buy a gun. that's what this is. it's pretty basic. and the fact that we have blood flowing in our streets yet again -- i mean, the story of that 2-year-old baby that lost his parents, what do we need? we saw what happened in connecticut when 6 and 7 year old babies were slaughtered. i was just in nevada in october, the deadliest mass shooting in
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u.s. history. >> i want to ask you, because as you've been speaking the national rifle association has issued a statement and i want to read it to you. it says the national rifle association welcomes the president's call to address the root causes of the horrific acts of violence that have occurred in our country. it has been the nra's longstanding position that those who have. -- what is your response to this. >> i need to read it, but it's good. they're acknowledging that people that have been found to be a danger to themselves and others should not be able to own or possess or buy a gun. so then they should be the ones saying, hey, let's pass the bill that the house passed days ago, get it over to the senate. hey, mitch mcconnell, put it on the floor for a vote. bring everyone back and let's pass this thing. let's do this. let's do the right thing.
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>> do you think there's any likelihood that's going to happen? >> you can hear the frustration in my voice, because here's the thing. i'm sick of all the grand gestures. all kinds of grand gestures. all kinds of proclamations about b.s. sorry to say that on your show. but enough with the grand gestures. let's have action. and action means doing what congress has the power and the responsibility to do, which is act in the best interest of the american people. and in the best interest of the safety and well-being of the american people. that is the charge of the united states congress and it has failed to act. >> senator kamala harris, thank you for your time today and we will continue to discuss this matter with you. it is of great interest to our viewers and i hope to most americans. senator kamala harris, senator from california and a presidential candidate for 2020. local officials in el paso now face the seemingly impossible
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task of restoring a sense of comfort and security in their city after the shooting at a wall matter that killed 22 people. over the weekend hundreds of people lined up outside in the sweltering texas heat to donate blood to the victims. others gathered with their families at mem more yols outside of the mall praying and grieving for a community that has forever been changed. joining me now victor perez who is a county commissioner. he represents more than 200,000 residents that live in el paso county. commissioner perez, your city despite what the president has said in the past, is actually a safe place and has been a safe place. but it seemed to have been targeted for exactly what it is, an international, a multi-cultural city that is perhaps browner than most of america is. now that made el paso a target. >> that's correct. el paso is approximately 82%
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hispanic. we are one of the safest cities in the nation. we sometimes teeter between number one and number two in terms of the large cities over 500,000 people. on average we have less than 18 murders a year. and unfortunately this one tragedy alone, we've now seen that there's 22 people killed. so it's just something unprecedented for our community, where everybody is used to being in a very safe community and a very welcoming community. it's come at quite a shock. >> what is your sense of the reaction to this from the highest levels snl you heard the president's comments today. did they bring you any comfort? >> you know, when i heard the president's comments i was sort of taken a back. particularly when he tried to link the issue of gun control legislation and immigration reform. i was really scratching my head when i heard that, because it seems on the surface, it seems to give some per verse incentive to carry out these types of
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atrocities while achieving some sort of legislative aim. so i wasn't sure why the president was linking the two. i don't think he has a strong understanding of what happened here. this is a case where -- this is a domestic terrorist attack where we had somebody who traveled miles and deliberately attacked this community. i will tell you that back in 2001 i was a student in washington, d.c. and unfortunately i was there when the september 11th attacks happened. and i remember waking up the next day, all of us were in a sense of disbelief. there was a sense where all of us felt victimized just because we were americans. and i feel very much that similar sense where we're waking up and everybody feels victimized because we were delib riltly targeted for being the community you described. it's a very unsettling feeling. >> we heard from representative
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veronica escobar of el paso earlier today where she said the hispanic community has been in attack in this country for some time, but since the beginning of donald trump's campaign he has led that attack. this now takes attack to a new level, the idea that as a community it seems to have been targeted. how have people in your county been responding to that? >> well, again, from the folks that i've spoken with, there's still just a sense of disbelief and it's a very surreal feeling. but i will say that yes, the president has used words such as invasion coming into our country. he's used words such as infestation. he's categorized folks coming from mexico as rapists, murders and thugs and drug dealers. what he's done is he has continued to dehumanize an entire subgroup of people and that type of language and that type of rhetoric, especially
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coming from the president of the united states, i think, you know, legitimizes a lot of feelings that a lot of people with extremist views have. and i think that's really the concern, is, you know, with the way that the president has and the language that he has used, is he going to fire off some tweet that's going to set off somebody that's not right in the head, somebody that has these extremist views. and i think that's what's very concerning in this case and i think that's still creating a sense of fear in this community. >> i thank you for joining us today. i know it's a busy and difficult day for you. vincent perez is el paso county commissioner. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> to that point i just want to read you one line from president obama's tweet that he sent out moments ago. we should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and
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hatred or fear. leaders who demonize those that don't look like us or suggest that other people like immigrants threaten our way of life or refer to people as sub-human or imply that america belongs to just one certain type of people. still ahead the emerging threats of extremism and white nationalism, one company that was used by the shooter has seen a enough. why 8chan is now searching for a new host. so i only pay for what i need. then i won the lottery, got hair plugs, and started working out. and so can you! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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. the mass shootings from over the weekend have drawn national attention to some of the darkest spaces on the web why white nationalists can organize freely. in this case the site we're talking about is 8chan. it would be entirely understandable if you are not familiar with it. it's now looking for a new home, however. so this is a new development because the internet service provider dropped it, calling it lawless. the anti-defamation league has called it a home for terrorist plots hiding in plain sight. this is nbc's ben collins who is reporting on the hate speech, long with jake ward who has looked into how american teens become radicalized online. guys, thanks very much. we have been talking about this all weekend, unfortunately, but 8chan as of this morning has been taken down and it has not
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been able to get back a up again. >> so cloud fair that initially hosted them, they just pulled them off their service. they said that's enough, we can't do this anymore. cloud flair is about to ipo. they can't deal with an extremist website in their portfolio. we're technically hosted by a site called ethic and that site, all of their equipment is hosted by the other thing and they said we're not going to deal with any of you. they also host another white nationalist site and this has a cascading effect across the white nationalist web today: they're going to have to go to a spammy provider in russia or the ukraine who are blocked by a lot of browsers and isps. it will be malware and viruss and fishing stuff and then -- >> and then 8chan. you, jake, have been working on this for a while.
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the idea that people who are otherwise not steeped in radicalism or extreme ist ideology can stumble upon it and drawn into that world. you did a story with a few examples of people who wenoodli about. >> absolutely, we spoke to several people, but in one case a 14-year-old kid who had a terrible life event, his mother dies and he's going to a school across town and he's just alone on the internet in the afternoons and evenings. and he said it was like going down an escalator, that you loolose track of where you are and you're not sure what floor you're on but you know you're descending into something. and over time he became more radicalize. this is a child of bosnian muslim immigrants, and he learns all kind of propaganda about violence and he starts to fall
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for white nationalist stuff. he said to us i read all the same stuff as the new zealand shooter. but that guy went out and killed 50 people and i somehow pulled myself back from it. so it seals like feels like rec like someone is pulling the strings. it's really about the platforms and the crowd that just sort of pulls any kid who is sort of untethered and he gets pulled into this stuff. >> and ben, you've spent a good amount of time, unfortunately, you live in the space. it's some horrible stuff. >> it's horrendous. the shooter last week, the gilroy shooter. >> at the garlic festival in california. >> he told everyone to read a specific manifesto that's been posted on 8chan hundreds of times literally. this is part of the information ecosystem that we're talking about. that's entirely separated from the stuff that we see in a civilian internet because you probably would never run across an 1890s white nationalist
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manifesto. that's normal stuff there. and to be part of the in-group there is to at least pretend to be a white nationalist. and then over time the trolling facade sort of wears off and that's how once you're at the end of the escalator basically, really there's nothing else to do but be a part of the race war. >> can you get out of it? you found two people who did get out of it. >> they did get out of it but it took incredible work. they have to be very special people to pull themselves out of it. these people have to fight against a tide that has been created by the platforms that grab all of our attention all day. basically if you go onto youtube and you start looking for videos about how to diet, you wind up on videos about extreme anorexia. if you go on thinking about, you know, with some legitimate questions about your own racial identity, you wind up with all kinds of crazy stuff. there is a gravitational pull
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that pulls us toward that stuff. >> some of it is designed and effect, and between the two the average unsuspecting person gets taken down. >> that's right. the design is there are neutral observers who consider themselves neutral like youtube and facebook. we're going to let the pipes lead you down whatever path you go. then there are people who manipulate that. there are white nationalist recruiters, who are people who don't consider themselves recruiters who do the work for them. there are tons of money groups leading stuff from anti-immigration groups and things like that that can lead you down this path to 8chan, down to path to other sort of white nationalist groups. so it's people sort of poisons the pipes and there's no check on the pipes. >> in the old days it used to be that you needed a recruiter in a dark alleyway to find you. >> guys, thank you.
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in the aftermath of every mass shooting there are calls for federal and state governments to do more to prevent gun violence. one of those came today from a dayton commissioner. >> we've had great sadness for the last many hours but now it's turning to anger, anger about the lack of movement on gun control. we are not the first community that's been affected by this gun violence and we won't be the last. but we have got to do something and i think we're about the work now of pushing the legislature and the federal government to move on responsible gun control in this community and this country. [ crowd chanting ] >> those calls became immediately after the el paso shooting on saturday, when moms for gun sense in america urged on the capitol and white house urging president trump to take
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action immediately. the national rifle statement says that it welcomes the president's call to address the root causes of the horrific acts of violence that have occurred in our country. it has been the nra's long-standing position that those been adjudicated as a danger to themselves or others should not have access to firearms and should be admitted for treatment. joining me to talk about this is shannon watts from moms demand action. i will never forget the day of sandy hook, going out there and thinking this will change it. things will be different. while we continue to have mass shootings, in fact, some things have changed. >> so much has changed. i understand people are waiting for that cathartic moment in congress but what sandy hook required us to do was build a political movement that can go toe to toe with the gun lobby.
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that takes time. for us it's now taken 6 1/2 years. year now larger than the nra and we are beating them. i know when shootings happen like this, which is so tragic and my heart goes out to these communities because they are suffering but americans should not feel hopeless, they should not feel cynical. in fact, in honor of what happened this weekend, it is on them to act. >> what does acting like like to the average american? >> first of all text the word checks to 43333 and we will connect to you your legislation. >> the word checks like background checks? >> exactly. and you can can also join others where you live. we will be meeting with all of our members of congress in the month of august and demand they act. on top of that, we have a very important session this year in virginia. every single seat is up for
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. before we go, one more check on the markets which are about to close. looks to be the worse day for the s&p in 2019. dow is down, look at that, 729 points. it's better than it was an hour ago. we're not in session lows but up 2.8. bill started the hour with me and will finish it with me. i don't know what you did but
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it's a little less bad. >> i find it interesting that we look at that and say, geez, it's not so bad with the dow down more than 700 points. we call this hour the smart money hour. this is where professional traders think do they sell going into the close anticipating more bad news overnight or buy expecting a bounce for tomorrow from today's sell-off. we've seen some buying but i will say this is not the most convincing bounce i have ever seen here. >> it's more interesting than if we saw a massive velocity of selling at the end. we were down 1,000 on the dow, at least it gives you some sense of hope. i should remind people as you do all the time, the market is up compared to a year ago, it's up a lot from the beginning of this year. so investors are ready for a good answer to this thing. they're just worried we're not getting one. >> we will also watch for tonight is what -- does schichio anything else? they devalued their currency
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overnight. what will they do tonight? will they pull it back a little bit? will they re-emphasize it? that could have a big impact. we will see what the asian market does overnight, european market tomorrow. does this selling cycle continue or is this the send of it here? >> how much of this bill -- some economists are saying this trade war could trigger a recession. >> yeah, morgan stanley was out just a little while saying if this holds, these currency levels, that we can see a recession in nine months. it doesn't help. as i mentioned before, by devaluing a currency, you're not just affecting the u.s. and china, you're affecting the whole world. this affects all of their trading partners, makes all of their goods more expensive. we are seeing oil prices come down sharply. a lot of things are going to happen if this holds but that remains to be seen. >> bill, thank you very much for helping us at the top and bottom of the hour, cnbc's bill
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