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right now. all right. this is the scene last night in new york city's times square, where hundreds of people fled in panic after the sound of a motorcycle backfiring sparked fears that an active shooter was on the scene. now, take a look at times square live this morning. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe," all quiet now. it is wednesday, august 7th, along with joe, willie, and me, we have host of msnbc's politics nation, the president of the national action network, reverend alex sharpton. washington anger for bbc world news america caddy k. white house correspondent,
yamiche alcindor. and that's the time we live in, people so panicked, just assuming it must be a shooter when they heard a loud sound on the scene. >> yeah, it is the time we live in, unfortunately. also the time we live in is growing. i think a growing momentum, willie, they actually get some things done, only a few republicans are speaking out. they are starting to speak out about, again, increased background checks. one member of the house came out and republicans talking about banning military style weapons. a lot of governors starting to talk about these red flag laws. you certainly feel like this epidemic is pushing some republicans to finally move. >> you see in the united states senate in particular, some voices, including that of lindsey graham, lamar alexander and others talking about these red flag laws, and also as you say, the congressman, the
republican congressman, michael turner who represents the district in dayton came out yesterday for a ban on some semiautomatic riflings. he h -- rifles. he has a 93% approval rating with the nra. that will go done. people are having a crisis of conscien conscience right now, some are, and saying something has to change, i want to be a part of the solution. you're seeing some movement already. >> and you can look back after parkland, there were members, republican members who supported a ban on military style weapons including some in south florida in very republican districts who actually won their seats even more comfortably after making that move. there's no evidence at all that there's any political, certainly not in this day and age with just the rash of gun violence that there's any political damage to somebody doing what an overwhelming majority of
americans support. >> in light of all of this, we'll get to that with more details in a moment. president trump will visit el paso and dayton in the wake of back-to-back mass shootings in those two cities this past weekend. trump is expected to travel to ohio this morning, and texas this afternoon. but there are some residents and several democratic officials asking him to please stay away. congresswoman veronica escobar who represents el paso continues to speak out last night. >> this community is full of hope and resilience, and beauty, but the other thing that i heard, chris, totally unsolicited from victims still in the hospital as they grab my arm and tell me, tell him not to come here. we got a call from the white house earlier inviting us to be part of the motorcade as the president arrived and to greet him. my response back was i need a phone call told because i would
like to have a conversation with the president about everything i have been saying on national tv. i want to say it to him directly, and i want to see if he would have a dialogue where he accepts responsibility for his words, where he understands the power they have had, the pain they have created and says i'm sorry and takes them back. those words are still hanging above us. he has the power to take them back. the response we got was that he was too busy for a phone call. we declined the motorcade. >> the congresswoman says she refuses to be a quote accessory to the president's visit. tweeting quote, i refuse to join without a dialogue about the pain and his racist and hateful words and actions have caused our community and country. >> willie, you can certainly understand that. again, his panics were targeted, hispanics were killed, and -- >> she represents el paso.
>> and this comes after the president's giving speeches if north carolina, leading chants, fascist style chants in nuremberg. this is after of course the panama city rally where the president keeps talking invasion, invasion, and people start shouting shoot them and the president laughs and makes a joke about it as the crowd applauds wildly, and this is a guy who has called since being president of the united states h hispanics breeders, and it's been one insult after another. it's been one phoney invasion after another, and he has -- you look at the gunman's, the murderers manifesto, he has picked up the words of donald trump, and he ran with them and talked about how an invasion of texas was going to put texas in
democratic hands for the foreseeable future, and so he got his gun, he drove to el paso, and he started killing hispani hispanics. >> and you can understand why congresswoman escobar didn't want to be a part of that, and have a conversation with the president first. a president of the united states should go and provide comfort, should be a healer, you think back to president obama in charleston when he broke into amazing grace when he was giving the eulogy for the reverend. it was a historical moment of healing. it was not a political moment. this is not a president who's going to be able to heal much there, especially given what you just said, there was inspiration derived from the shooter, from the language that's been used by the president. just hours before his visit to el paso, by the way, president trump posted a belligerent message aimed at beto o'rourke who has urged the president not to visit. minutes before midnight,
washington time, president trump wrote, beto, fphony name to indicate spanish heritage, o'rourke, who is embarrassed by my last visit to the great state of texas, where i trounced him, and is now more embarrassed by polling at 1%, be quiet the president says to beto o'rourke. o'rourke who has called the president racist for years has said the president should not visit the city in its time of mourning. o'rourke responded on twitter. he wrote this, 22 people in my hometown are dead after an act of terror inspired by your racism. el paso will not be quiet, and neither will i. reverend sharpton, the president making the case that ms. escobar was making was that he's not capable of being gracious in this moment that calls for it. >> and he's not capable of seeing the moment, the moment that has people at times square scrambling when it's just a car back up because we don't know if
it's the next assault or the next mass shooting. he doesn't understand or become sensitive to the moment. it's all about him. how do you, on the eve of you going to console people, go back to the poll numbers of someone who's trying to run against you, unless you're totally insincetiinsinc insensitive to the fact that we have all of these families planning funerals and you're seeing this as some way, let's clean up a little political mess, a mess that you helped inspire, and we're not guessing that as tv hosts or pundits or whoever we are and whatever we do, the one that did the shooting was quoting you. the one that did the shooting is the one that led it to your doorsteps, mr. president, if you had any humanity, wait a minute, if i incorrectly caused any of this, i'm sorry, let us operate in a different way. all of us had to do that in
life. he seems incapable of that. >> he seems incapable of it. rick tyler, you have consulted republican candidates, presidential candidates, conservative republican presidential candidates, and you really get a glimpse into just how devoid this man is of humanity when in response to someone saying that his words and actions fed into the hatred that led to this killing, his response is to talk about crowd sizes, right, and political polls and talking about how he quote trounced somebody in crowd sizes. i think even that's a lie. even it weren't a lie, i mean, it's, again, i could ask you if you ever worked for any politician who was ever this shallow, who was ever this devoid of humanity, who would have ever responded in the face
of tragedy, talking about crowd sizes or political polls but i already know, the answer is no. this man, as jeffrey goldberg says in the atlantic is only getting worse. >> i certainly wouldn't, joe, and i think it was yesterday or the day before donald trump sent out a tweet. he was complaining about the comparisons or the that he was taking the blame for these shootings where other presidents were not. but i want people to think about this, how sickening it is that while people are suffering and burying their loved ones and grieving and others in the hispanic communities are fearful for their lives, donald trump wants to be the number one victim. he wants more sympathy for himself as opposed to the suffering that people are going through, which makes his visit
to both dayton to el paso today, completely inappropriate because the president has no capacity to display empathy, to say the right things that people believe. we all watched his speech the other day, but it just doesn't reconcile with what he said. if you juxtapose what he said in the speech, which the content was fine, but it didn't come from the heart. he just read it. we know donald trump and what his heart speaks of, and we see those in the rallies, in his tweets in his offhanded remarks, his hurtful things, the racist things that he says, and so his visit today is really counter productive. now, he'll try to go through it the best they can, but, you know, people have expressed outrage that he's even daring to come, particularly in el paso, and i would say this about el paso because of all the things you mentioned about the hispanic invasion, things he said about invasion.
this one's on you, mr. president. you own it. >> well, and he wokn't even spek to the woman who represents el paso. it's awful. republican congressman michael turner of ohio whose congressional district includes dayton has endorsed a ban on military style weapons. the congressman has an a rating from the nra and voted against a bill to expand background checks earlier this year, but congressman turner released a statement yesterday announcing his support for the restricting the sale of military style weapons to civilians. he's also called for a magazine limit and red flag legislation. this weekend's mass shooting in dayton was personal for the congressman. not only does the city fall under his district but his daughter and a family friend were also across the street from where the shooting began on sunday morning. the congressman tweeted quote, my daughter and friend fled into
the oregon district and contacted me at 2:00 a.m. as they ran home. i followed their progress and prayed for them and our community. thank you to dayton police for their bravery in stopping this evil. the republican governor of ohio mike dewine is asking state lawmakers to take action on a series of measures that would help fight gun violence. his list of policy proposals includes a red flag law, which allows family members or police to seek removal of firearms from individuals whom they fear could cause harm to themselves or others. dewine is urging state lawmakers to pass background checks for gun sales and to provide money to strengthen soft targets like the oregon district where this weekend's mass shooting took place. the governor is calling for improved access to mental health treatment. he's asking that the ohio department of public safety increase its monitoring of social media and the governor also wants to increase the
penalties for anyone who breaks the law when it comes to buying, selling or owning firearms, and red flag laws are picking up momentum with some republican members of congress in washington. according to "the new york times," gop lawmakers are coalescing around legislation to help law enforcement take guns from those who pose an imminent danger. if signed into law, it would be the most significant gun control legislation in two decades. in the senate, where a background checks bill failed in 2013, after 26 children and staff members were gunned down at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut, red flag laws may be the only gun related measure that could squeeze through. senator john thune of south dakota told his hometown newspaper that he was confident congress will be able to find common ground on the so-called red flag issue. senator lindsey graham has already proposed legislation
that would offer federal grants to states to help them enact and enforce red flag laws also known as extreme risk protection orders. >> so yamiche, these are all good first steps, but it's also to note that every one of these issues should have been passed years ago and when they pass now, most of them are what we'd call in congress 90/10 issues, 90 percent of americans support, 10% oppose. you could also say that about expanded background checks and are so many gun measures that republicans have deliberately killed time and time again. so are we finally starting to see the iceberg break up a bit, and starting to see some gun safety measures saturday to make it through the legislative process? >> we're starting to see at least some action on gun issues and gun law changes.
but i think what i took away after spending some time in dayton first before the shooting and then after the shooting was that people are in some ways really frustrated with the idea that lawmakers also have to be personally touched before they feel moved. you think of representative turner, his daughter was across the street. that might now have really kind of sunk in for him exactly how terrible these shootings are, and i spoke to a youngman in anthony reynolds who said i wasn't paying attention to mass shootings and when el paso happened, i felt bad for them, but i didn't fear for my own safety. i went out and i was having a drink at the bar and i wasn't thinking about that, and then i was 10 feet away from someone with an assault rifle killing people right next to me, and i thought why should he have that gun, and reynolds said i now feel upset about the idea that it took for me to have to be running for my life to sit down and say these laws need to change. maybe it's because we now see
back-to-back mass shootings that lawmakers in washington and all over the country are saying this is getting too much, we have to do this. i remember covering newtown, connecticut, and going to some 20 something funerals and thinking this has to change everything, the world is going to shift, and what we saw is the world didn't shift, and now i think people are starting to see, we really need to do something because republicans are the ones frankly that are being blamed for most of this because victims are looking at this and saying you have to do something. i was in dayton when the crowd was shouting do something at the mayor, and that was a powerful moment. it was a moment where people felt fed up. >> well, and you have two things happening at once, you have the toxic combination of runaway gun, just massive fire power being put into the hands of civilians where these large capacity magazines and you have
these military style weapons that i'm sure the congressman heard about his family members running away and that shooter, i believe, had a hundred bullets in his magazine. now, everybody in the state of ohio knows that you only need those if you're going out to hunt humans. if you're only -- that's why people like stan mcchrystal, so many military leaders say that those military style weapons that were designed for combat in war, those military style weapons should not be in civilians' hands, so you combine that with a racist, inflammatory, white supremacy that you're seeing flaring up in chants at trump rallies and people saying shoot hispanics. this does -- this is a double punch for republicans and people are looking squarely at them
now. >> yeah, two forces seem to have come together in the country since the assault weapons ban expired in 2004. we have seen more and more of these military style weapons on the streets of the united states and an assumption that it's okay to have them. with these huge magazines like you say that can kill people. we saw it in dayton, nine people killed in the space of 30 seconds. imagine how many more may have been killed if that shooter hadn't been taken down that quickly. at the same time, you've got a culture of white supremacy, which the fbi has been monitoring and fbi agents are saying we need more resources to combat. this is the threat that we are opposing, so combine that white supremacy with the access to the assault weapons and it is producing this moment where people are looking and there is a different conversation happening after these two shootings in which you do have some republicans coming on board saying, okay, maybe we have to do something because we're seeing this backlash against us as a party.
>> joe, we often and rightly talk about politicians in the grip of the nra, we ought to give credit to someone like michael turner, a 93% nra rating, an a rating, and is crossing the nra by proposing an assault weapons ban and will lose their support likely because of it. it gets to the question so many times, the vast majority of the members of the nra want expanded background checks. these are nra members, yet the lobbyists in washington go out and spend millions of dollars lobbying against bills that would expand background checks. they have announced publicly they are against universal background checks. why is that, why are 70% of nra members for that, and yet the people who represent them in washington, excuse me, go out and spend millions of dollars fighting against the very wishing of their membership. >> you know, i grew up in mississippi, and alabama and georgia and florida. i grew up around nra members.
i grew up with people that started going hunting with their fathers and grandfathers when they were 5 or 6 years old. members of the nra throughout their lifetime, and after sandy hook, after we all made impassioned pleas on expanded background checks, and the banning of military style weapons, all of them came up to me in church saying i don't need that to go deer hunting. i don't need that to protect my family. i got enough fire power inside my house with my shotguns. somebody walks through my door, you know, they're not going to get more than a couple of steps inside. and so all the nra members i talked to after sandy hook were all telling me the same thing. we actually agree with you. we needed expanded background checks, to stop terrorists from getting their hands on weapons, to stop people who are mentally
ill from getting their hands on weapons. you dig a little bit deeper and what i found was it wasn't the nra, it wasn't even local nra organizations, i kept talking about three lobbyists in washington, d.c. they were doing the bidding of gun corporations. that were doing the bidding of peop peop people's bottom line on wall street, hedge fund companies that had come in and bought these gun companies, so they weren't working and fighting for nra members. they were actually working for corporate interests and that's when you saw all of the self-dealing, what we have seen over the past six months, it ended up being just three lobbyists in washington, d.c. that didn't give a damn about nra members. i don't know if you saw the breaking news last night but they were thinking about buying wayne lapierre a mansion. >> a $6 million mansion, joe. >> they were looking and trying to buy wayne lapierre a
$6 million mansion with the dues of hard working nra members. again, the majority of which want these expanded background checks. a lot of them say, hey, we don't need military style weapons. so it's not about the nra members. it is about three lobbyists in washington, d.c. i think they fired one of them. may get down to two lobbyists in washington, d.c. that are running it. and that are doing it. it's all a scam. it's all for them to make money off of dues paying members, and they don't give a damn what their members want. they're thinking about $6 million mansions that they can pay for with dues. i mean, it's lining tke the ptl my grandma gave money to the ptl club with jim and tammy faye baker in the 1970s, though we told her not to and she kept doing it. that ended up being a scam. i have been warning nra members for years now, that they're
being scammed and they are still being scammed with $6 million mansions and with what, how much, willie, did these executives get in like italian suits and like a couple hundred thousand dollars in italian suit sg s. >> and private sets, all of it. the point of the question is what is the political peril of crossing the nra, if michael turner can go out and speak to something like reducing the size of magazines and getting rid of semiautomatic weapons, what is the peril for him and others. >> there's just not, again, you can take a case in south florida. there's a member of congress that represents the palm beach area, and also martin county, and brian mass, he supported after parkland, a ban on assault style weapons, on military style weapons. he won comfortably, and one of the biggest down years for
republicans in american history, right. so this isn't going to have an impact, you know why, because the overwhelming majority of people in all of these districts support expanded background checks to stop terrorists and domestic abusers and the mentally ill from getting guns. the majority of americans support the end of selling these large capacity magazines to have over 100 bullets in them. you don't need that. and these military style weapons, most hunters, every hunter i know says they don't need that so mika, the peril is very very small, and you also, because the nra, the three lobbyists in washington, d.c. were making each other rich with dues from hard working americans across this country. they didn't have the money to put into political campaigns in
2018. they were largely outspent for the first time in years. so again, more reason for people to vote their conscience and not be scared of the nra. >> still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to run through the latest polls on the democrats in the race for president where elizabeth warren seems to be on the move. how she stacks up against joe biden. plus, president trump has launched a sustained attack on congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, and it's had an impal impact on her poll numbers, just not the impact the president hoped for. we're going to show you those details ahead on "morning joe." details ahead on "morning joe. johnson & johnson is a baby company. but we're also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life.
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71% of americans say he tweets too much. 71% call him unpresidential. even his tv ratings are failing. in june he did a prime time interview on abc, and got only 3.9 million viewers, a sharp drop from celebrity family feud which got 6.1 million in the same time slot the week before. sad. sad. >> well, i mean, celebrity family feud is a great show, right? >> fun. >> it's going to get good ratings. senator michael bennet may have watched bill maher last night, yesterday the democratic presidential hopeful offered a make america boring again message. >> i like the cut of this guys, if you elect me, i promise you you won't have to think about me for two weeks at a time, i'll do my job watching out for north korea and ending this trade war, so you can go raise your kids
and live your lives. >> i like that. >> he exudes i want to do my job, you can leave me alone. he's a good guy. >> let us go to church or synagogues. >> let us live our days without worrying about what you're going to tweet. >> and coach baseball, you know. >> what rude putrid messages you're going to send out. >> and live our life without everything constantly being in turmoil. >> democratic voters have absorbed last week's democratic debates and the biggest beneficiary appears to be senator elizabeth warren. a quinnipiac poll finds that joe biden continues to hold about a third of the electorate and a double digit lead down two points to 32 points in the latest poll. while elizabeth warren jumped six points to second place with 21%. that's the most anyone, other than biden has registered in the national pugh poll this year.
senator bernie sanders is now at 14%, gaining 3 points, senator kamala harris dropped five points to 7%. mayor pete buttigieg at 5%. beto o'rourke and senator cory booker each at 2%. >> if you look at this poll quickly, a big take away in the pugh poll, look at those numbers, elizabeth warren jumped in this particular poll, not in all of the polls, but in this particular poll, up 6, but she didn't really take from joe biden, she took from kamala harris who dropped five pontsin in this poll, which means biden support seems somewhat set like bernie sanders. >> the morning consult poll shows warren improved her standing after the debate, a huff post you gov survey asked democratic voters found that warren did the best with a positive net change of 44 points at the debate.
she just goes steady. >> she does, and let's go back to the actual poll itself, as we look at this poll of the actual -- can you show us the poll really quickly, not the debate but the actual overall poll really quickly. there we go. >> perfect. >> so this is the morning consult, and not the q poll. you see here that biden seems pretty set. he's still locked in the 30s. sanders in both polls staying about the same. warren up two points there. kamala down three. the only difference here is elizabeth warren jumped a few more points and kamala dropped a few more points. right now, it is slow and steady getting the job done, it seems, for joe biden. >> yeah, the thing that i really was noticing about these polls
as one who was in a democratic primary race is that biden is steady and elizabeth warren, every poll is going up and kamala harris has gone down after the last debates, which really shows that biden has a support base, and elizabeth warren is expanding her base. i shared with you before that i was a little surprised at how well she was received at national action networks convention in april. the thing that i think elizabeth warren has done when we talk about who can stand up to donald trump, she's the only one i know that has survived the trump nickname. she is totally flawed and defeats pocahontas. a few months ago, we were all talking about pocahontas, not only has she killed the pocahontas label, which i don't think anyone has survived trump being able to label them, no one's thinking about pocahontas,
she's on the rise, which really says to a lot of voters, she can take him on. she's not been rattled in a debate. she has not been rattled by trump, and i think the polls are indicating that in elizabeth warren's favor. >> well, you know, the thing is mika, these are all building blocks. there are some people last night that were looking at some of the polls where she didn't jump as much as they thought she should. we're still six months away from iowa, the first contest. we all have building blocks. you know what, yes, her pocahontas response was not good, but what was great in the long run for her is she absorbed that hit, she kept going, she kept improving, she's building her campaign out. she has put in two really good debate performances. you may not see her jump to the front of the pack right now, but there's a great example. it's one building block after
another, and if you're playing for the nerxt six months and no just the next six minutes in a debate where you're trying to get a pithy response to somebody, you're in a much better shape to win. that's why i say, don't attack the other democrats, it's not going to help you go up in the polls. attack donald trump, and show how you're going to beat donald trump in the third debate. that's what will help you in the long run. by the way, we've got great numbers coming out of texas right after the break, and we're going to continue talking about the democrats. going to continue talking about the modecrats. most people think a button is just a button. ♪ that a speaker is just a speaker. ♪ or - that the journey can't be the destination. most people haven't driven a lincoln. discover the lincoln approach to craftsmanship at the lincoln summer invitation. right now, get 0% apr on all 2019 lincoln vehicles
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beautiful shot of a sunrise in washington, d.c. as the president heads to texas later today. two polls begun shortly before saturday's shooting show a closer than usual race for the president there next year. an emerson college poll finds biden and sanders with a slight edge over trump in texas, 51 to
49% each, trump holds 4 point leads over beto o'rourke, pete buttigieg, and elizabeth warren. former san antonio mayor, julian castro trails trump by 5 points and kamala harris is behind by 8 points. that poll ended on saturday. meanwhile, a university of texas tyler poll conducted thursday through sunday, the day after the shooting, finds o'rourke leading trump by 6 points. sanders and biden ahead by 4 points and warren down by 2 points. interesting. the candidates total share of the vote are lower in the polls since it allowed for voters to select other and don't know as well. in the last two weeks, three republican members of congress from texas who won their races by 5 points or less in 2018 announced they will not seek reelection next year. >> so rick tyler, you know the state of texas pretty darn well. we keep hearing that one day
texas is going to go democratic. just like we always heard republicans were going to win pennsylvania. i always said it was fools gold until the day it wasn't. i'm pretty confident to say that texas probably not only going to be in play in 2024, but the democrats will probably start winning it in 2024, and not lose it for a very long time, but what about 2020, you look at those numbers. do you really think, is texas going to be something that trump has to worry about next year? >> joe, he definitely has to worry about it. i'm surprised. look, anybody can look at the demographics of texas, and see where it's going. it's been trending blue for a long time, and as long as the republicans keep pushing minorities, hispanics away and do nothing at all to attract that vote, that's only going to continue. donald trump has accelerated this cycle and i would have never guessed that texas would
have been in play and, i mean, we have been hearing this and we knew it was going to happen in the future. i wouldn't have expected that the possibility exists in 2020 that texas goes blue. and not only that, joe, as you know, if texas goes blue in the presidential race and continues to trend in that direction, there is no possible electoral outcome where a republican could win the presidency when you start combining texas, new york, california, illinois, that that goes solidly blue. it puts the presidential or the white house out of the reach of republicans for a generation. >> yeah, for a generation, and you know, willie, we have repeated that on this show over the past three or four years, repeated that donald trump's anti-hispanic rhetoric, calling hispanics breeders, calling mexicans rapists, attacking
hispanics, was going to be devastating for the republican party on the electoral map, and yet it just continued. this was something that george w. bush and carl rove came to capitol hill in 1999 and separately warned us republican members about this, saying listen, you better get right with hispanics because if you don't, you're going to lose elections for a generation. and we're coming up on the moment you take a horrible tragedy like el paso and sadly, for too many hispanics, this brings home the point that republicans have been spewing hatred about them that actually sounds remarkably similar to what the gunman wrote in his manifesto. unfortunately that brings together a lot of very very bad forces for republicans and
especially for republicans that don't hate hispanics the way the president obviously does. >> and this is the danger for republicans going along for the ride, with everything the president says. the president doesn't care about the future of the republican party or frankly probably the current state of the republican party. he just became a republican five minutes ago to run for president. he's thinking about winning this twitter cycle. as you say, pennsylvania as you always said was fools gold until it wasn't in 2016, until the right candidate came around. beto o'rourke is tolling at 1 or 2% in the polls. part of his case is, hey, do you want those 38 electoral votes in the state of texas, i came pretty close to becoming ted cruz and i have a shot at doing that in this election as well. a recent poll shows president trump's approval rating among republicans not all it cracked up to be. while trump has an 87% approval rating among republicans, 67% of republicans strongly approve
while 91% of democrats disapprove of the president and 85% strongly disapprove. that enthusiasm gap is greater than it was during the midterm elections when republicans lost 41 seats and democrats won the popular vote by more than 8 1/2 points. so yamiche, what do you see in that number. a lot of people talked about the suburbs, in places like pennsylvania and wisconsin that democrats need to win back in 2020, feeling like they have seen enough of president trump. >> i think this comes down to a moral credibility issue. democrats have long said that this president is tearing this country apart, that he's stoking racial divisions and what i have seen in my own reporting is that even though there are republicans sticking with the president out in the suburbs of say dayton, ohio, there are people, most of them republican women who tell me i'm supporting him because i know that he will push my values which are usually pro life and are usually issues
of trade, and issues of health care. but to be perfectly honest with you, i'm really uncomfortable with the way he talks about hispanics, i'm really uncomfortable with his rhetoric. i wish he would get off twitter. that's what i'm hearing from republican women in these crucial suburbs that the president wants. i think people in the republican party, even if they're still sticking with the president because they don't like what the democrats have to say, they find him to be someone who makes them uncomfortable and someone they don't want to be a role model for their children which is also a critical thing. his personality, his style is something that people just are not comfortable with, and i think obviously republican women have been a crucial part of that party, and the president should be in some ways worried about that, based on the reporting i have been doing. >> yeah, and that reporting lines up with what a lot of people have been hearing, certainly what i have been hearing when i talk to
republicans who support some of his policies, but mainly, though, are opposed to who would be running against him. that's what every republican i talk to says, they don't say, donald trump is so great, i love him. it's always, well, do you really want kamala harris, do you really want bernie sanders, do you really want elizabeth warren, that's why i really think that this exhaustion that bill maher was joking about, that michael bennet was tweeting about, this exhaustion could lead to some real under votes at the top of the ticket for republicans and for donald trump because there are so many republicans who went along for the ride but are so exhausted and so offended and don't look at themselves as racists, and don't want to be associated with this guy. they may not vote for joe biden.
they'll just stay home. >> i mean, the trump reelect campaign strategy is you gem up the base, and hope there are enough people in the middle who may not love what the president says about minorities or says about women but who will look at the economy and look at conservative judges and say that's just enough, i can hold my nose and vote for this president, and a case is stronger, they believe, if there is an elizabeth warren or a bernie sanders at the top of the democratic ticket because it almost gives people cover. they can say, well i'm not going to vote for a socialist or someone on the far left, i'll stick with the president, even though i don't love everything about him, and the counter argument, joe biden's argument, after two poor debating sessions, he's still at the top of the ticket is he's going around making the argument i am the guy that can beat donald trump. and that is basically what he's running on. the fear for democrats is that if he's damaged too much in
these debates, if he looks like he's the guy that can't go after donald trump on a debate stage, he's no longer the safe bet. so far, it's interesting looking at the polls, you're not seeing very much slippage for joe biden, his supporters are solid, and it's all around the theory of the case, he's the guy that gets wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. >> coming up, we'll explain what's keeping the nation from responding to domestic white supremacist terror in the same way it deals with threats from outside of the country. we're back in just a moment. of y we're back in just a moment. this summer at panera,
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>> aoc has been hammered by donald trump, and radical, socialist. >> she's now more popular of the attacks from donald trump. new york voters give aoc her highest favoritability rating yet. 41%, climbing 10 points since march while her unfavorability rating dropped 3 points. those new ratings make casi make ocasio-cortez than president trump in nyc. >> i know we have to go to tease here. you have to look at these attacks, the constant attacks and not only is donald trump getting hammered by aoc in his home state where he's lived his whole life, right. >> yeah, so he's losing to aoc in new york, and losing to socialists in texas. >> you know, the more he attacks
people, the more their numbers go up. when he goes after "morning joe," that's been the case. when he goes after you guys, that's been the case. and when he makes a boogie man out of aoc that's the case. >> he attacked me and i got a shout out from barbara streisand. please, i need another negative tweet. i'm waiting. >> that's as good as it gets, and actually she used the revs name and squeezed it into the way we were. >> it wasn't easy. >> so mika, as rick wilson says, everything that trump touches die, the reverse of that is also true, everybody that trump criticizes thrives so thank you. >> kind of a strange thing. coming up, he's not watching. he can't stop sometimes. amid growing pressure, some
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>> stop it. >> when she goes into the hall, and she's staring and there's reverend al right there. >> okay. there is a host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, washington anchor for bbc world news america, caddy kay is with us. white house correspondent for pbs news hour, yamiche alcindor and republican communications strategist rick tyler, and joining the conversation, political reporter for the "washington post," robert o costa, the moderator of washington week. >> the greatest show ever. you watch that show and look at robert, right, you get healthy, lose weight. it reverses male pattern baldness, willie. any goiter problems, gone. >> it's amazing what that show
does. >> also, if you're not careful, you may learn something. >> that's true. >> somebody said that, i can't use his name, but it was a good line at the end of fat albert. let's move on. let's go to robert who has this incredible show that all the kids are talking about. robert, you can really see something happening in the white house monday morning where the president, about halfway through this show and other morning shows immediately started tweeting out his support for comprehensive immigration reform, immediately started tweeting out his support for expanded background checks, held that uncomfortable press conference where he delivered a statement as some said, i think tom, it said that he had trouble with his mouth, actually saying the words, but he said them anyway, and so it was one of these moments that we see where
donald trump himself realizes he went too far with statements. where is the president now because there's usually a snap back. we saw it after the rally where they were making the fascist chants, and he said he didn't like it. the next day he pulled back. where is the president roogt ig now? do you think he snaps back to his original position or may continue to support the idea of expanded background checks and immigration reform? >> inside the white house, the president and his top advisers are often relying this week on majority leader mitch mcconnell to be a backstop for any kind of new momentum on gun legislation. they know the majority leader yesterday in a conference call with republican senators said he would not -- was not planning to move to open the senate this summer under pressure from house democrats to try to bring something to the floor for a vote. at this point, president trump knows based on his conversations with his legislative aides that
senator graham and others may try to move a red flag law through the senate this september, this october, but the toom toom toomey mancion plan is dead on arrival. the president is considering executive action on the front. for the moment, it will be incremental red flag laws if anything that move forward. >> president trump will visit el paso and dayton in the wake of the back-to-back mass shootings, and those two cities this past weekend, just hours before his visit to el paso, president trump posted a belligerent message aimed at the city's former congressman, beto o'rourke, who has also urged him not to make the visit. minutes before midnight, washington time, trump wrote, beto, phony name to indicate hispanic heritage, o'rourke, who is embarrassed by my last visit to the great state of texas,
where i trounced him, and is now even more embarrassed by polling at 1% in the democratic primary should respect the victims and law enforcement and be quiet. o'rourke, who has called trump a racist for years of anti-immigrant rhetoric has said the president should not visit the city in its time of mourning. o'rourke responded on twitter quote, 22 people in my hometown are dead after an act of terror inspired by your racism. el paso will not be quiet, and neither will i. the president mentioned his last visit to el paso in his tweet, and it turns out his campaign apparently left the city with a huge bill. according to the texas tribune, the trump campaign owes el paso more than half a million dollars for a campaign rally in february. city official tells the paper that the outstanding $569,000 covered police and public safety costs. the president and beto o'rourke
held duelling rallies in el paso that day. the el paso times said o'rourke paid his bills months ago. but nothing so far from the trump campaign. >> what a surprise, willie geist, donald trump a dead beat, doesn't pay his bills. that has been consistent for decades. and i guess it remains consistent even now that he's president of the united states. but again, we're talking about exhaustion among republicans. how would you like to be a republican saying donald trump after an el paso slaughter, where you can see it was inspired in large part by the president's own language and his anti-immigrant language that the president is tweeting about crowd sizes and poll numbers. this is the same donald trump of course who i was reminded by dan was talking about nancy pelosi, and attacking her on a fox news
interview with the white crosses of normandy behind him. >> on your first point there are a lot of electricians in atlantic city who won't be surprised that the president did pay his bill in el paso, that sounds familiar to them. the larger question, what is the point of a presidential visit in moments like this. it's not just some formality, it's to go and heal and provide comfort, to unify the country, not divide the country. he went after beto o'rourke, whose hometown is el paso, who represented el paso when he was in congress. this morning, he's up tweeting what about the shooter in dayton, what about his ties, he's tweeting about "the new york times" giving him unfair headlines. this is just hours before he's going to land in these places, theoretically to do what a president does. we don't expect him to get up at the pulpit and sing amazing grace, he doesn't have that kind of thing in him. theoretically to unify the country and as had e leave leav
on the plain, he's sharing divisive rhetoric. >> in order to have a big mission, you have to be a big person, al, small people can't do big things, and it becomes a repetitive theme with this president. he's too small for the presidency because he should have in mind headed down to el paso and to dayton today the fact that you're talking to people that lost a loved one, people that are grieving, and you're thinking about beto o'rourke's poll numbers, you're thinking about a bigger crowd, you're thinking about what a "new york times" headline is, you're not even focused on the pain and misery of the family you're going to see, and some of which you cause in the mind of who shot them, he's too small for the role that he has to play today, and it's unfortunate for the country. we're the losers. a bigger man would have said, o'rourke, we've got our
differences, we should walk together and try to console these people. a bigger man would have reached out and said i will deal with my political opponents because there's a time the country comes together. a small man stays on the other side of the fence in his backyard taking shots at people rather than saying the whole neighborhood is at stake here. >> the recent deadly mass shootings in el paso and dayton have called into question the department of justice and the department of homeland security's ability to identify and stop domestic terror plots. nbc news has learned that the top two members of a senate homeland security committee wrote a letter to attorney general william barr yesterday. renewi renewing their request for information on how the doj is specifically working to protect americans from domestic terrorism. most notably, the dhs has made severe cuts to personnel and resources. over the last two years.
which had be previously devoted to combatting domestic terrorism attacks, they include reassigning, domestic terrorism analysts, a new office, and cutting grants to obama era terror prevention programs. right now, the overall feeling inside the department is quote, we have a problem. according to a dhs official who spoke to nbc news. >> the timing of this couldn't be worse. this would be like cutting funding for isis -- anti-isis measures in 2014, 2015. the problem with white supremacy has exploded under donald trump. you look at the numbers from 2016 on and they have just gone straight up and that has become the huge crisis. it was isis, now it's white nationalism. and during that time, over that
same time period, where government statistics and trump's own administration show incidents of white supremacy, violence have skyrocketed, at the same time, they're cutting funding for the justice department and dhs to actually do something to track down these potential killers. >> yeah, and this is really frustrating to fbi agents because they know they're already limited in what they can do legally. the restrictions on what you can do fighting international terrorism compared to domestic terrorism. for example, with domestic terrorists, you can't cut their funds, you can't surveil them on suspicion, fbi agents are already restricted in doing, and these cuts come on top of them. what you did see yesterday was the association of fbi agents coming forward and saying, okay, we need a change in the regulations now. we do actually need to be able to have stronger tools at our
disposal to address this threat of white supremacist violence because our hands are tied effectively, legally, and we've got to change the regulations so we can do more domestically. >> joining us now with more on this reporting nbc news correspondent julia ainsley. julia, what do you got? >> it's interesting, as you lay out here, there have been these cuts to funding but it follows this uh-oh conversation is following comments from the president. he said we should have these agencies coming together like never before and going after these threats in order to prevent more mass casualties. well, there's not the money to back that up, and so sources inside dhs say you have been cutting our funding for years, and now all of a sudden there's this call. but again, it's an unfunded mandate if they don't have the money to bring that together, and then on the fbi side, it's interesting, as katty lays out,
it's difficult to use the same legal resources from domestic terrorism to international terrorism, the ways agents are divided, the head of counter terrorism testified earlier this summer that 80% of his field agents for counter terrorism are focused only international terrorism and only 20% on domestic. so you can just see the way these decisions have been made for a long time. how much they have prioritized the international threat and that is a lot in part because of the revamping of the fbi after 9/11. but they have let this other threat languish. and part of this could be something that congress could do. they could pass laws that would allow the same resources, same legal resources to go after domestic terrorism but a lot of it comes down to funding and priorities, and i've spoken to countless dhs officials who have been reassigned or fired or taken off their job. they have the expertise on prevention and getting the word
out to localties of trends they were seeing, and now they have been told to work on something else. and you can see now how vital that work is. >> so julia ainsley, thank you very much for your reporting. bob costa, it feels like missing our nose in front of our face, as this situation has been brewing, many are concerned, straight from the rhetoric from the president. we are flat footed on domestic terror. >> this is a real challenge for the trump administration, the department of justice. what is their answer to the question how do you confront the rise of white nationalism in this country and not just white supremacist web sites, but this rip tide of white nationalism that's coursing through many social media sites, web sites, and what is the law enforcement response beyond just responding to incidents and another tragedy, you see this president's rhetoric is certainly fuelling
anti-immigration discussions in this country, his racist tweets have fueled racism on several fronts. at the same time, policy wise, we do not see a clear response yet from this administration, whether it's the political appointees or not about white nationalism. >> so do you hear any concerns from the republicans on capitol hill on this, bob, off the record? >> privately, some republicans say they're reluctant to go after the white nationalism issue. they would like to take on white supremacy and things that are overt, but the minute it gets a little bit vague about someone's political affiliation, or whether they're inspired by a republican at some level as well as being a white nationalist, they think it's a tricky political territory ahead of the 2020 election, so there is certainly privately reluctant among many republicans and some democrats i've spoken to about going too far on the law enforcement side to try to track people's political affiliations but politics is part of the brew
online as we all see, as reporters and citizens and how some of this new way of thinking, this old way of thinking, this horrible white nationalism is coursing through a lot of the social media. >> yamiche, it shouldn't be that hard, it seems, that when you have people that are, again, online talking about invasions of hispanics and talking about them needing to be killed, when those threats pop up internationally, you obviously have our intel community immediately jumping in to stop the slaughters at shopping malls, at churches, at synagogues, et cetera. and yeah, i find it hard to believe that congress won't do anything to protect americans so when they go to church, when they go to their synagogues, when they go to their schools, when they go to walmart, when they go to restaurants and bars
at night that they're not going to be gunned down, that they're not going to have the same protection against white supremacists that they have against members of isis. >> this really comes down to two different things. there's first the policy angle. there has to be a reck nng thon this country and a reckoning in washington, we are going to focus and put money behind our words and thoughts and prayers, to say you know, this is a rising issue in our country. the president has so far really even declined to acknowledge that white nationalism and hate crimes are something that's on the rise in this country. maybe that will change after he's gone through and seen these communities impacted by both gun violence and someone targeting specifically immigrants, but also there's an issue of cultural reckoning that has to happen. toni morrison who passed away yesterday, the great literary giant said if you can only be tall because someone else is on your knees, you have a serious
problem. a lot of americans have a serious problem. they want to be able to scapegoat some community to make themselves feel bigger. i have talked to white nationalists who are living in poor areas in this country, and they are holding on to the idea that immigrants are the reason why they're in these communities that are devastated by economic poverty or by trade issues. i've talked to people looking at their neighbors, that black guy moving into my neighborhood, he's the reason gm left, he's the reason i don't have the job i don't have. that's simply not true. we need a leader and president trump has some issues because of his moral credibility issues, but america really needs people in their countries and in their communities tell them, look, you can't be scapegoating people, and it's wrong for you to look at the changing demographics in this country, and feel fear. that's not what you should feel, but a lot of people in this country absolutely feel fear when they think of the future of
america. >> all right. yamiche, thank you very much. robert costa, thank you as well. and still ahead on "morning joe." we have important voices joining us on the future of gun legislation on capitol hill. presidential candidate amy klobuchar, congressman juaquin castro, senator chris murphy. and the moment joe referenced earlier in the segment, here's president trump this past june in normandy on hallowed ground. >> i will tell you the more successful we've become, the more angry people like nancy pelosi, who don't have what it takes, the opponent, who shouldn't have even been allowed to run, you know, she happens to be a crooked person so her name is very appropriate. we have crying chuck schumer who's a disaster, by the way, he's a total political, you know, jerk. , he's a total political, you know, jerk but we're also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms,
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john mccullough, representing a district in omaha, nebraska, who on sunday tweeted a long thread calling out the republican party as enabling white supremacy in the country. as a lifelong republican it pains me to say this but it's the truth. of course i'm not suggesting that all republicans are white supremacists or am i saying that the average republican is even racist. what i am saying, though, is that the republican party is complicit to obvious racist and immoral activity inside the party. we have a republican president who continually stokes racist fears in his base. he calls certain countries s holes, tells women of color to go back where they came from and lies more than he tells the truth. we have republican senators and representatives who look the other way and say nothing for fear that it will negatively affect their elections, no more. when the history books are
written, i refuse to be somebody who said nothing. we like to cite abraham lincoln's republican lineage when it is politically expaid i can't -- expedient. now is the time to act like lincoln and take a stance. in response, the nebraska state republican party issued a statement telling mccollister to leave the party. executive director ryan hamilton said mccollister's latest false statement should come as no surprise to anyone who is paying attention and we're happy has shut all pretense of being a conservative. >> this is what is so offensive. seriously. >> he's kicking him out of the party. interesting. >> i mean, conservative, again, we're talking about the republican operative who supports republican president who is a protectionist, who
pumps out massive socialist farm bills, proposes $16 billion farm bill, has tariff taxes, i mean, largest national debt ever, massive trillion dollars deficit. highest deficit in the history of the united states in good economic times. i mean, you can go on and on. i mean, bashes nato, goes after the very alliances that actually helped us beat nazi germany, and soviet russia. please, i mean, that guy, whoever wrote that, that woman, whoever wrote that, they are not conservatives, and they shouldn't throw the word around. let's bring in -- >> go ahead. >> republican state senator john mccollister of nebraska
joins us now. i guess you have been kicked out of the party or where do you stand. >> they can't kick me out of the
party. that's something only i can do. i won't be leaving. in point of fact, donald trump has hi jacked the republican party in nebraska as well as the country, and we have lost the traditional values that republicans have had, free trade, legal immigration, and of course fiscal sanity. and i'm afraid we have left our morings and we need to come back to what the republican party was in the past. >> so senator, what's it like for you, i ask this question as a former republican and a guy that fought for balanced budgets while donald trump was writing checks to nancy pelosi, and chuck schumer and throwing fundraisers for chuck schumer at mar-a-lago and giving hundreds of thousands of
dollars to the dnc, what's it like to have republicans all around you following this lifetime democrat whose always been a big government democrat and only switched parties in 2011 when he
saw that the racist birther campaign helped him out. >> you're absolutely right, joe, it doesn't make any sense to me at all, and i fear for the republican party and america, the direction we seem to be going, but, you know, republican or democrat parties can rebuild themselves after an election. let's just hope that occurs in 2020. >> have you had any support on the record or off the record from any other republicans that are elected officials in nebraska? >> not elected officials but the e-mails i'm getting from republicans around the country are extremely favorable, so i'm gratified for that. >> are you -- you've not heard anything from ben sasse, a guy who looks to hold himself out as a moral arbiter.
>> i have not, although he just opened his campaign for 2020, so i suppose i'll have an opportunity to talk to ben sasse. >> yeah, willie geist is in new york, and has a question for you, senator. >> good morning, mr. mccollister, i'm interested to hear how much thought you put into this decision to speak out. we have been surprised over the last couple of years at the complete unwillingness of most republicans to say even a cross word about donald trump for fear of getting primaried or something, i don't know what exactly, but you said something that stood out to me, you said, when the history books are written, i refuse to be someone who said nothing. you knew there was some risk to speaking out. tell me about your calculation to do it. >> well, it wasn't planned to go as national as it seemed to have come, but i am anxious for other republican office holders to come to the fore because they have been awol for too long, and
it's time for them to jump into the game, and call out bad behavior when it occurs. it's time for them to stand up and be counted. >> and what's the risk to you speaking out publicly, sir. >> the risk to me is minimal, and we don't have a caucus system in nebraska. and i term out in three years, so i think, you know, i won't pay a big political price. >> so we've known senator sasse on this show, we found him to be a very smart and decent guy, the reason he's not speaking out is pretty simple, he's got a primary opponent in his senate race who has said explicitly ben sasse has done nothing for the state of nebraska except criticize donald trump. what would you say if you had the ear of senator sasse today? >> i would tell ben sasse to go ahead and do what's best for the country instead of worrying about your political future, and that is the problem.
too many republicans have a fear of being primaried, and then they just say nothing. and as i mentioned before, they need to stand up and be counted. >> senator mccollister, thank you for speaking out. i can tell you the executive director of the nebraska republican party, i guarantee you get a call from the rnc of the white house to repudiate you right away and if he didn't, he would no longer have the future in the republican party. that's how they operate. i wanted to talk about policy, you mentioned trade, you are an agricultural farm state, and this president is engaged in a trade dispute of war which he seems incompetent and incapable of handling, how are the farmers in your state doing, and do you see any backlash coming from agricultural america against trump's really reckless tariff policies? >> i absolutely agree, and the actions of the president have been devastating, devastating to
nebraska farmers. but yet for the most part, i don't hear any active criticism on the president. they seem to be just grin and bear it and hope that it gets better, and so far i haven't seen much evidence of that. >> well, we really appreciate your voice, nebraska state senator, john mccollister, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. great to meet you. >> thank you so much, senator, for standing up and being counted and sounding like actually a member of the party of lincoln. >> yep. >> thank you very much. >> coming up, americans overwhelmingly support stricter gun legislation, and it seems congressional republicans may be starting to get on board with the idea as well. democratic senator chris murphy who has pushed for tougher gun laws for years joins the conversation next on "morning joe." oins the conversation next on "morning joe.
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mayor of chicago had to publicly correct a senior presidential adviser who also happens to be the president's daughter for an inaccurate tweet about violence in the city. tuesday morning, ivanka trump wrote as we grieve over the evil mass shootings in el paso and dayton, let us not overlook that chicago experienced its deadliest weekend of the year with seven dead and 52 wounded near a playground in the windy city, and little national outrage or media coverage. we mustn't become numb by the violence faced by inner city communities every day. chicago mayor lori light foot said that the tweet was misleading. there had not been seven dead and 52 wounded in one incident and the sight of one of the shootings was near a park, not a playground. as of late yesterday afternoon, lightfoot said the white house had not responded to their call
about the tweet, and expressed frustration as they grapple with the violence, and trump's use of her city. >> she got the numbers wrong, she got the location wrong, that's the danger of trying to govern via tweet. if they want to help, they should actually call us and ask for specifics, which we'd be happy to share, and we would offer them specific ways in which the federal government can actually partner with us to help address the issues on the ground. but by sending out something like that, having zero contact with anybody in an official capacity in the city of chicago, and then getting it wrong, that's not helpful. that's the danger of somebody with a platform and an audience that doesn't know what they're talking about and getting the fundamental facts wrong that they could easily figure out if they had the decency to actually reach out to us if they wanted to be a constructive and engaged
partner. >> yeah, and this problem, reverend al, is pervasive. you have veronica escobar, offering and asking to speak to the president before he comes to her district, won't speak to her. a lack of dialogue, a lack of intellectual ability to know information and have a platform like ivanka trump has and the president has and to be so abusive, to be so uncaring and really in a way, unfeeling about what is going on to be sending out tweets that really add to their platform, and do nothing to help the people directly involved to make no attempt to talk to the mayor of chicago but to tweet flippantly, i can see why she is disgusting, absolutely disgusted. >> again, we're seeing this total insensitivity. we are talking about people's lives. we're talking about somebody's son or daughter or husband or wife. >> yes.
>> and we're comparing numbers of, oh, well, it's maybe bad here, but you're not talking about how bad it is there. first of all, mayor lightfoot is right, you're talking about city wide numbers that unfortunately has been going on a long time, and donald trump has been numb to it. he says we've got to do something about chicago, and has never done anything. you're comparing that to one location, one incident, with a man writing a manifesto saying the things that your father, ivanka, that's who the one we're addressing here, saying the things that your father planted in the national psyche. it's not a comparison. lightfoot is right there. but even then, we ought not be comparing the pain and misery that families are facing in back and forth, we ought to be reaching out and say how do we deal with the inner city violence in chicago that trump claimed he was going to do and this white nationalism and white
supremacy that clearly lays in el paso. i cannot believe this comparative kind of politics has anything but an unhealthy contribution to what ought to be in the national dialogue at this moment while we're talking about burying people that should have never been killed. >> ivanka got her facts wrong and it did have the air of distracting from other shootings. the fact remains, the central point that chicago had a terrible weekend and has many terrible weekends and there's a major problem in the city of chicago that persists and perhaps a more productive, as the mayor said, approach, would be helpful there. ivanka is right, there's a terrible problem in chicago with gun violence. >> perhaps, she could go to chicago and talk to the mayor face to face, and walk the streets and learn something. we'll be right back. the streets and learn something. we'll be right back.
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board that police believe the el paso shooter used moments before the attack remains offline this morning. now, both the owner and founder are speaking out but with very different views about the web site that's become a magnet for extremists. nbc's keir simmons has the story. >> reporter: in a bizarre video set to military music. >> the el paso shooter posted on instagram not 8chan. >> the owner of 8chan, army veteran defending his extremist web site. >> it is an empty piece of paper for writing on. it is disturbing to me that it can be so easily shut down. >> reporter: 8chan was started as an anonymous forum, celebrating free speech but turned into a bastian of white supremacy. it's here where a hate filled rant appeared along with words behind the new zealand massacre.
8chan's founder who quit the site in 2015 and his brittle bone disease tells nbc news, watkins runs the site from his son in the philippines. >> after the shooting hours later, they kept their tag line, embrace infamy. >> reporter: the site is offline after an internet service company pulled its support. >> if 8chan were to continue as it was, there would be another shooting linked to 8chan. >> joining us now, a member of the foreign relations committee, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. senator murphy, i guess the biggest, the overall question is we're somewhat prepared for threats from abroad, but flat footed on domestic terror threats, it seems to me to be even more surprising, given that a lot of people have been saying this is where we're headed with the rhetoric coming out of the
white house. >> well, and what makes it more disturbing is that this administration has stood down our domestic terror capacity. he has dismantled some of the capacities that we did use to try to track this hate speech online, and the few organized networks of domestic violence that exist. now, i'm all for going after these web site platforms that deliberately trade in hate. at the same time, the internet is the internet, and when you push the bubble in one place, it probably pops out somewhere else. and so the reason why many of us think that we need to move with deliberate speed on taking these dangerous assault weapons off the street is that when you connect this kind of hate with weapons that can kill did yozen people in less than 60 seconds, you are just asking for trouble, and we know that the international terrorist groups are recruiting people in the
united states to go to gun shows and buy these assault weapons. the domestic terrorists now have figured out the same thing. >> so just overall, what do you deduce when you have, you know, a white house which is decreasing funding for tracking hate speech but engaged in hate speech, what do you deduce from that? >> listen, it's the perfect storm. it's the perfect storm, and let's be clear, there is a very sophisticated network of hate in this country that started, you know, well before president trump took office, but he was their cheer leader, and he is now their primary cheer leader, so he is making it worse, not better, and my argument is that, you know, congress also contributes to the violence because when these young men are contemplating exercising their demons, their disdain for people
that are different from them through a weapon, through the muzzle of a rifle, they notice when congress doesn't step in and condemn these actions with legislation. so our silence has become a quiet endorsement for these unhinged individuals who are trading in this hate speech who end up turning guns on individuals. >> senator, it's willie geist. this december it will be seven years since sandy hook, which puts you as the senator from connecticut the center of the national conversation about what to do with guns in america. that was the moment i think many americans thought first graders slaughtered in their classroom. something will change. but not anything big changed. do you have any hope that slaughter of people inside a walmart will be different this time, someone driven by an
anti-immigrant agenda he posted online before he shot the people doing back-to-school shopping? do you have any hope from a legislative standpoint where you sit in the united states senate that something might be different? >> what i have become convinced many is there will be no tipping point in this debate. there will be no before-and-after moment. i thought sandy hook changed everything. i thought after those 20 little boys and girls were slaughtered in a classroom, we would not just back background checks but get the guns out of the hands of everybody but military and foernsment. but that didn't happen. they were nonexistent dinse 2012. so we are on mags to become as powerful as the gun lobby, nra. i argue we're more powerful. we spend more money in elections.
we knocked out 32 nra endorsed republican members of congress in 2018 and replaced them with those who want stronger gun laws. we have not tipped the senate but we are there. the answer is we have to win more elections. i wish republicans would change their minds but ultimately this is a matter of accumulating political power. we are doing it day by day and week by week, so the 90% of american who want gun laws changed will get it. >> does that mean this time there will not nb your eyes an expansion, for example, of background check? like toomey's that died in the senate. >> i have been on the phone all weekend with my republican colleagues in the senate to get some version of manchin/toomey
back on the senate floor. i have not given up on that. i was litter will he emailing from my car before walking into the studio with one republican member. i'm interested in moving forward the recent extreme protection orders. but if it's just incentive grants to the states, i'm not sure it will tip the balance in any meaningful way. we will work all weekend to find a common ground background check. honestly if the republicans don't embrace the background checks, republicans will not break on them. i have a feeling his tweet the other day was deliberate and he decided once again to stay in bed with the national rifle association. >> senator, it's kathy kay here. on the issue of red flags, i was wondering if you could clarify whether that would have made a difference in the case of sandy hook and whether you think the problems the nra has been
having, oopyou mentioned the ri of the nra gun control lobby, does that make them a more diminished force than it was after new town? >> these extremist protection orders do make a difference in states that adopt them. there's plenty of evidence that shows they have been able to identify people who may have committed a crime and to take guns away from them. i don't know whether that would have been the case in adam's situation. he did not show a pred liks for violence before he shot his mother and went to elementary school but there's no doubt those laws help. the question is, is a federal grant program going to incentivize states to alopt those laws? we will see. the nra is weaker not because they're having the in-fighting at the board level but because they're hemorrhaging members. they don't have as many due-paying members. corporations won't sponsor them and the board is in trouble
because they don't have cash to sort of grease the executive wheels like they used to. yes, i think in the end it will have an impact. they're not going to be able to play in as many elections in 2020 as they did even in 2018 when they took heavy losses and in general the luster is just off the nra. there are more people that disapprove of them then approve of them across the country, republicans are less scared of them. it's going to take a while in order for their pretty massive preliminary power to be diminished to the point where they're irrelevant. but they are headed that way and, of course, we are getting stronger and those two factors combined are what ultimately tips the balance here. >> senator chris murphy, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. still ahead, will president trump be able to comfort the grieving cities of el paso and dayton? we'll set the stage for his visits today. plus, amy klobuchar and
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last night in new york city's times square, where hundreds of people fled in panic after the sound of a motorcycle backfiring sparked fears that an active shooter was on the scene. now take a look at times square live this morning. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." all quiet now. it is wednesday, august 7th. along with joe, willie and me we have host of msnbc's "politicsnation," president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. washington anchor for "bbc world news america," katty kay. white house correspondent for pbs newshour and the public communications strategist and msnbc political contributor rick tyler joins us. joe, that's the time we live in, people panicked and assuming it must be a shooter when they hear a loud sound on the scene.
>> yes , it is a time we live i, unfortunately. i think they have growing momentum. only a few republicans are speaking out but they are starting to speak out again about increased background checks. one member of the house came out, republican, talking about banning military-style republicans. a lot of governors starting to talk about these red flag laws. we certainly feel like this epidemic just is pushing some republicans to finally move. >> yes, you saee in the united states senate in particular members like lindsey graham talking about red flag laws. but as you say, congressman, republican congressman michael turner who represents the district in dayton came out yesterday for a ban on some semiautomatic rifle. he has a 93% approval rating with the nra. that will go down with his
announcement yesterday but people are having a crisis of conscience right now, some are, saying something has to change and i want to be part of the solution. you're seeing some movement already. >> mika, you can look back after parkland, there were members, republican members who supported a ban on military-style weapons including some in south florida in very republican districts who actually won their seats even more comfortably after making that move. there's no evidence at all that there's any political -- certainly not in this day and i'm which just the rash of gun violence, that there's any political damage to somebody doing what an overwhelming majority of americans are in support of. >> and in a few moments, president trump will visit el paso and dayton in the wake of back-to-back shootings. trump is expected to travel to ohio this morning, and texas
this afternoon. but there are some residents and several democratic officials asking him to please stay away. congresswoman veronica escobar, who represents el paso, continued to speak out last night. >> this community is full of hope and resilience and beauty, but the other thing that i heard, chris, totally unsolicited from victims still in the hospital, they would grab my arm and tell me, tell him not to come here. we got a call from the white house earlier inviting us to be part of the motorcade as the president arrived and to greet him. and my response back was, i need a phone call today because i would like to have a conversation with the president about everything i have been saying on national tv. i want to say it to him directly. and i want to see if he would have a dialogue where he accepts responsibility for his words, where he understands the power that they've had, the pain
they've created and says i'm sorry. and takes them back. those words are still hanging above us. he has the power to take them back. the response we got was that he was too busy for a phone call. so we declined the motorcade. >> the congresswoman says she refuses to be a, quote, accessory to the president's visit, tweeting i refuse to join without a dialogue about the pain and his racist and hateful words and actions have caused our community and country. >> you can certainly -- willie, you can certainly understand that. again, hispanics were targeted, hispanics were killed. and -- >> she represents el paso. >> and this comes after the president is giving speeches in north carolina leading chants, fascist-style chants you would have heard in nuremberg, send them back, send her back.
this is after, of course, the panama city rally where the president keeps talking invasion, invasion, invasion, invasion. and then people start shouting shoot them and the president laughs and makes a joke about it as the crowd applauds wildly. again, this is a call who has called since being the president of the united states hispanics breeders. it's been one insult after another. it's been one phony invasion after another. and you look at the gunman, the murderer's manifesto, he's picked up the words of donald trump and he ran with them and talked about how an invasion of texas was going to put texas in democratic hands for the foreseeable future. so we got his gun, he drove to el paso, and he started killing hispanics. >> you can understand why congresswoman escobar didn't want to be a part of that, she
didn't want to be an accessory without at least having a conversation with the first. it's a sorry state of affairs if you think about it. the president should be a healer. you think back to president obama in charleston, he broke into "amazing grace" giving the eulogy. that was an historic moment of healing. this is not a president who will be able to haep much given what you said, there was inspiration derived from the shooter from the language used by the president. hours before his visit to el paso, by the way, president trump posted a blij rent message aimed at the city's former congressman beto o'rouke, who also urged the president not to visit. minutes before midnight washington time, president trump wrote, beto, phony name to indicate hispanic heritage, o'rourke, who's embarrassed by my last visit to the great state of texas, where i trounced him.
he should respect the victims and law enforcement and be quiet the president says to beto o'rouke. o'rourke, who called president trump a racist for years with anti-immigrant rhetoric has said the president should not visit the city in its time of mourning. o'rourke responded on twitter. he wrote this -- 22 people in my hometown are dead after an act of terror inspired by your racism. el paso will not be quiet, and neither will i. reverend sharpton, the president making the case miss owe khobar w -- escobar was making, he's not capable of grace. >> and he's not capable of seeing the moment, the moment of people at times square scramble from just a car backup because we don't know if it's the next assault or mass shooting. he didn't understand or become sensitive to the moment. it's all about him. how do you on the eve of you going to console people go back
to the poll numbers of someone trying to run against you unless you're totally insensitive to the fact we have all of these families planning funerals, and you're seeing this as some way of let's clean up a little political mess. a mess you helped inspire. and we're not guessing that as tv hosts or pundits or whoever we are and whatever we do. the one who did the shooting was quoting you. the one who did the shooting is the one that led it to your door steps, mr. president, and you had any humanity stop and say wait a minute, if i indirectly caused any of this, i'm sorry. now let us operate a different way. all of us have had to do that in life. incapable of that. >> he seems incapable of it. rick tyler, you insulted republican candidates, conservative republican presidential candidates, and you really get a glimpse into how
just devoid this man is of humanity when in response to someone saying that his words and actions fed into the hatred that led to this killing, his response is to talk about crowd sizes, right? and political polls. and talking about how he, quote, trounced somebody in crowd sizes, which i think even that's a lie. but even if it weren't a lie, it's -- again, i could ask you if you ever worked for any politician who was ever this shallow, who was ever this devoid of humanity, who would have ever responded in the face of tragedy, talking about crowd sizes or political polls, but i already know the answer is no. this man as jeffrey golderg says in "the atlantic" is only getting worse.
>> i certainly would, joe. and i think it was yesterday or the day before donald trump sent out a tweet and he was complaining about the comparisons or that he was taking the blame for these shootings where other presidents were not. but i want people to think about this, how sickening it is that while people are suffering and burying their loved ones and grieving and others in the hispanic community are fearful for their lives, donald trump wants to be the number one victim. he wants more sympathy for himself, as opposed to the suffering that people are going through, which makes his visit to both dayton and el paso today completely inappropriate because the president has no capacity to display empathy, to say the right things that people believe. we all watched his speech the other day. but it just doesn't reconcile
with what he said. if you juxtapose what he said in the speech, which the content was fine, but it didn't come from the heart. he just read it. we know the donald trump and what his heart speaks of, and we see those in the rallies, in the tweets, in his offhanded remarks, his hurtful things, racist things that he says. his visit today was really counterproductive. he will try to go through it the best he can but people have expressed outrage that he's even daring to come, particularly to el paso. i would say this about el paso because of all of the things you mentioned about the hispanic invasion, things he said about invasion, this one is on you, president trump. you own it. still ahead on "morning joe," senator amy klobuchar's campaign said she's already qualified for the september debate. can she gain more traction though in the polls before then? the minnesota democrat joins us just ahead on "morning joe" and
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♪ republican congressman michael turner of ohio, whose congressional district includes dayton, has endorsed a man on military-style weapons. the congressman has an a-rating from the nra, and voted against a bill to expand background cher checks earlier this year. but congressman turner released a statement announcing his support of restricting the sale of military-style weapons to civilians. he's also called for a magazine limit and red flagged legislation. this weekend's mass shooting in dayton was personal for the congressman. not only does the city fall in his direct but his daughter and family friend were across the street from where the shooting began sunday morning. the congressman tweeted, quote,
my daughter and friend fled into the oregon district and contacted me at 2:00 a.m. as they ran home, i followed their progress and prayed for them and our community. thank you to dayton police and their bravery in stopping this evil. the republican governor of ohio is asking state lawmakers to take action on a series of measures to help fight gun violence. his list of policy proposals include a red flag law which allows family members or police to seek the removal of firearms from individuals who they fear can cause harm to themselves or others. dewine is urging state lawmakers to pass background checks for gun sales and to provide money to strengthen soft targets like the oregon district, where this district's mass shooting took place. the governor is calling for improved access to mental health treatment. he's asking the ohio department of public safety reintroduce its
monitoring of social media and the governor wants to penalize those for buying opening or selling firearms. and picking up momentums with some members of congress in washington, according to "the new york times," gop lawmakers are coalescing around legislation to help law enforcement take guns from those who pose an imminent danger. if signed into law t. would be the most significant gun control legislation in two decades. in the senate where a background checks bill failed in 2013, after 26 children and staff members were gunned down at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut, red flag laws may be the only gun-related measure that could squeeze through. senator john thune told his hometown newspaper he was confident congress could find common ground on the red flag issue.
senator lindsey graham has already proposed legislation that would offer federal grants to states to help them enact and enforce red flag laws, also known as extreme risk protection orders. >> so, yamiche, these are all good first steps. but it's also important to note that every one of these issues should have been passed years ago. and when they pass now, most of them are what we'd call in congress 90/10 issues, 90% of americans support, 10% expose. you can also say that about expanded background checks and so many other gun measures republicans deliberately killed time and time again. are we finally starting to see the iceberg break up a bit and starting to see some -- some gun safety measures start to make it through the legislative process? >> we're starting to see at least some action on gun issues and gun law changes.
but i think what i took away after spending some time in dayton first before the shooting and then after the shooting was that people are in some ways really frustrated with the idea lawmakers almost have to be personally touched before they're moved. you think of representative turner, his daughter was across the street. that may now have sunk in for him exactly how terrible these shootings are. i spoke to a young man named anthony reynolds who said i wasn't paying attention to mass shootings and when el paso happened, i felt bad for them but i didn't fare for my own safety. i went out and was having a drink at the bar and i want thinking about it. then i was ten feet away from someone with an assault rifle killing people next to me, i thought why should he have that gun? reynolds said i now feel upset about the idea it took for me to have to be running for my life to sit down and say these laws need to change.
maybe it's because we back-to-back mass shootings that lawmakers in washington and all over the country are saying this is getting too much, we have to do this. i remember covering newtown connecticut and going to 20-something funerals and thinking this has to change everything. the world is going to shift. what we all saw was the world didn't shift. now people are starting to see, okay, we need to do something because republicans are the ones, frankly, that are being blamed for most of this. the victims are looking at them saying you have to do something. i was in dayton when the crowd was shouting do something at the mare. and that was a powerful moment. it was a moment where people felt set up. coming up on "morning joe," congressman joaquin castro said he will stop mentioning president trump's public campaign donors if he stops using their money for ads that fuel hate. the texas democrat joins us straight ahead to talk about that. but first, senator and presidential candidate amy klobuchar is standing by. she joins the conversation next on "morning joe."
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senator, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. i think we'll start with news of the date. what are your hopes that there actually might be some movement on sensible gun legislation? >> there was a major breakthrough today, mika, when you find out the republican representative in ohio in the district where the shooting tragic mass car occurred came out for a ban on military assault weapons. that's a big deal to me as well as a limit on magazines. the more we can see that kind of movement, i think you know the democratic party has been united on the background check bill, which was a great first start. but the people of america have seen this now in a different light. when you look at the facts that in less than one minute this man was able to kill nine people, gun them down in less than a minute, despite the best efforts
of law enforcement, the fact they were there on the scene immediately, it still didn't stop that bloodshed and massacre of these people and all of the others injured. i think in addition to what happened in el paso, that really is going to change things because it just shows that these kinds of weapons should not be in the hands of these kinds of murderers. >> senator, it's willie geist. we were speaking a minute ago to your senate colleague chris murphy who said he's been on the phone with republican kourn counterparts over the course of a couple of days to get support to get manchin-toomey back in the conversation, that went no are but perhaps get the red flag law moving. what are you seeing as your time in the senate is passing? >> i remember that. that was literally my saddest moment in the senate. i my sandy hook parents in my
office and i had to tell them after they had the courage to come and lobby the background check for their babies, the senate didn't have the courage to pass it. first of all, that is on the doorstep of mitch mcconnell. it got through the house as well as a change in the waiting period on purchases. i think that's a good first start. i think that is more than realistic. the president said nine times to me when i was at the white house after parkland sitting across from him that he wanted to get it done. but then i think you have to move to some of these other issues we never thought possible that we can searously tariouslyt anymore that the american people are there with us. that is things like the limits on magazines would be a huge hope in the number of mass shootings. i see a sea change here. i also think there will be a sea change in the enforcement of hate crimes and pushing on the investigation of these kinds of things, resources to local law
enforcement, so they can work to spot these and respond when you have people putting out kill lists and the like, that we can do a better job there as well. >> senator, it's katty kay here. your campaign has been predicated on your ability to walk across the aisle, the need to walk across the aisle to get things done and reviving votes in the midwest. after two rounds of debates, your poll rankings have not moved up particularly. you've qualified for the next round of debates. what do you need to do going forward in order to boost your numbers to get up into the top tier of candidates? >> first of all, i think i'm doing okay here. i'm ahead of 18 people and heading to those fall debates. i think that's very important, and i never thought i was someone that was going to shoot up immediately. i'm running a grassroots campaign, but it's also a campaign where we're building support every single day. i'm out here in iowa today
heading to a family farm. we will have hundreds of people there to release policies for rural america, which, of course, is about everything from a hospital to housing. people would be surprised if the childcare deserts we have in rural america as well as building on a farm bill and helping our farmers at a time where the president is treating them like poker chips in one of his bankrupt casinos. so a lot of this is just town by town as i have done in minnesota where i won all of these red districts, including very high-trump districts is getting out there, talking to people, meeting them where they are and, yes, we're going to talk about guns today. i think a number of hunters -- and i come from a strong hunting state, have been gradually changing on this issue and you can see their support for things like sensible background checks and i don't think we're going to be able to bring them with us unless we're willing to talk about it. >> senator klobuchar, it's al
sharpton. >> hi, al. >> do you not -- hi. do you not feel this weekend the shootings both in dayton and in el paso, along with what has been going on in inner cities like chicago, now become a defining point in the race for president that we really need a president that can demonstrate that they can bring the country together across the racial kind of acrimony that this president has shown and was in the manifesto of the shooting in el paso and can deal with the gun problem, which is manifested in chicago and other places at the same time. it's not either/or, it's both. and whoever will be president must prove they really can deal with this because clearly the president of the united states at this point has failed miserably on both cards. >> yes, al, i was thinking about this a lot yet with toni
morrison's passing and how she talked about how words should be used, power of words to bring people together, the power of words to heal. and everything step of the way this president goes the opposite, including with the tweets he sent last night and this morning, going after congressman o'rourke, talking about polling numbers. you think about when president obama went to that church in charleston, you think about how he brought the nation together, you think about president clinton and so many times when he brought people together with his words and how he responded to tragedy. you think about president bush after 9/11 in your town, al. people have -- regardless of party, our country at times of tragedy wants to have a leader that brings people together, and yes that's about policy, like we
just talked about guns, which i think is one way that we're seeing people starting to talk in terms that is different than they ever have before, but you also have here this major issue of race and white nationalism, the fact you have a president after charlottesville said there were two sides. there's not two sides when the other side is the ku klux klan and white nationalists. there's only one side, and that's the american side. so it's my hope that this week that more and more -- and i have already seen it out here in places like iowa, more and more republicans coming up to me, independents coming up to me and saying we've had it. we want to have a president where we can turn on the tv and have our kids watch them. it doesn't mean we agree with everything that they say. it means that we are proud of them as the leader of our nation. and that is the subtle part of all of this that's becoming less and less subtle every day that we have to take on in this
presidential race. >> senator, you're running to be the 46th president of the united states. if you were president today, getting on air force one and flying to el paso and dayton, what would your words be to the people of those ravaged cities? >> i would first focus on these ordinary people who did extraordinary things and their courage. the story of that mother with her little baby, who protected that baby, her instincts just in that split second were to protect that baby. the baby lives and she dies. i think about that veteran, hispanic veteran who got people out of the way of harm. so many stories of first responders, what happened in ohio, where the police ran to that disaster, were there in a second. there are so many stories of people hoping each other in america, the doctors, the
nurses, people that were there at the scene. and that's what i would focus on first, their courage and what the american spirit is all about. and from there you take on the issue of what motivated that hate in el paso, the manifesto, and you say there is no place in america for this. we are a beacon of democracy that brings people together, that most of us stand on the shoulders of immigrants and that we will not allow evilp hate to tear that apart. and then as far as gun policy, i think that's something you take on the next day, because that's when we have to start the work to get this done. and we can't just keep doing thoughts and prayers that we have to have action. and that's what i want to hear from the president of the united states. >> senator, amy klobuchar, thank you very much. we will be following your new agriculture policy plan for the heartland and we appreciate you
being on the show this morning. >> thank you so much, mika. >> thank you, thank you. up next -- he publicly called out top dollar trump dopers from his district. texas congressman joaquin castro joins us next on "morning joe." johnson & johnson is a baby company. but we're also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.
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joaquin castro of texas tweeted out a graphic this week that shows the names and employers of 44 trump campaign donors in san antonio. the people who contributed the maximum amount allowed by campaign finance laws. congressman castro wrote that, quote, their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate. that labels hispanic immigrants as invaders. later adding on twitter, how about i stop mentioning public
campaign donors and he stops using his money for ads that fuel hate. and congressman joaquin castro joins us now, house vice chair of foreign committee and member on the intelligence and we should mention chairman of his brother julian's presidential campaign. >> congressman, thank you very much for being with us. first of all, let's start at the very beginning because i know there are a lot of republican office holders who have been lying through their teeth about how dangerous this is, that it's the -- somehow that you were putting things out that are secret. let's just start at the very beginning. these fec lists are public. there's complete transparency. i don't know about in your hometown but when i was running for congress, they always published the names in the newspapers of the contributors who contributed to the candidates. you did nothing that everybody didn't already know, is that
correct? >> and also joe, before i get into the discussion, i want to mention that some of these republicans sad that i doxed these people. doxing is when you tell somebody somebody's physical address or phone number. none of that was in this graphic i shared with a local group. my post was actually a lament. if you look at my language, i said it's sad these folks, many of who are prominent business owners in san antonio, a city that's about 65% hispanic, their customers, the people that have made them wealthy, employees, people who have worked for them for years, many of their employees are hispanics and they're giving their money to main talking about hispanics invading our country. this is a lament about going to the restaurants these people own, businesses they own, we patronize these places and
they're giving this money to this guy who's taking their money and using to buy facebook ads talking about how hispanics are invading this country. and there is a cost to that. we saw the cost to that in el paso over the weekend, that people died. the manifesto that that guy wrote could have been written by the people that write trump's speeches. and i don't -- i never -- >> a lot of language, yes. a lot of the language is there. let's go into the next step, because you're right, there's a connection. we showed earlier this week that a large number of donald trump's ads talked about hispanic invasions, illegal immigrant invasions. the president, of course, has talked about hispanics being breeders, mexicans being rapists. somebody said at a rally, as you
know, shouted out that hispanic immigrants should be shot. and the president laughed and made a joke about it. the chants of send her back just this month. it's very clear this is what the federal government itself has called in guidelines racism. and white supremacy. if you are funding ads that do that, you're exactly right, it seems to me hispanics have a right to know who is funding these ads that the federal government itself would call white supremacy. >> that's right. when you make a political contribution, especially to a federal candidate, that's a public record. and so that graphic lists people's names and many of them are business owners so they actually own those companies. these are prominent owners, most of them public figures or many of them public figures. but their money is being taken and used to fuel these hateful ads. and it has put millions of
people in this country in fear. there are people right now living in fear and i don't think the president understands that. i don't think those donors understand it. but they need to understand what their money is going to. so you started the segment by noting that i'm asking brad parscale, the campaign manager for donald trump and lived in san antonio for years, i'm asking him and the other members of the trump campaign and president trump himself to commit to stop running ads about hispanic invasion to this country. stop running those ads which are creating fear and causing danger. literally putting people's lives in danger. >> literally putting people's lives in danger. you can look at the manifesto that talks about the hispanic invasion of texas, how that is going to have a political impact in future elections. again, there is a straight, direct line there. again, i just want to repeat
again, these fec contributions and all of the informations and all of the information out there, is already public record and used in most newspapers around the country. mika has a question. >> i'm just actually doing some math here and i would love to hear the congressman sort of give his point of view on this, but the conversation out there about where this is all coming from and who's creating the danger seems kind of ridiculous. you're not releasing any new information or revealing any secrets. you're literally framing what is already public information. and wouldn't you want more people to know who was funding which presidential campaign? and if you're proud of funding president trump, you need to understand that that will be public information. and all you're doing is trying to explain what it is in terms of the policies or the morals that you are funding.
so in a world where we have talk show hosts that want to say that white supremacy doesn't exist, it's not a problem. you have a president that spews hate speech, okay, and the question i guess i have for your critics is who's creating the danger? because i would think that african-americans are in danger. i would think immigrants are in danger. i would think latinos are in danger. and that's the danger we should be talking about. that's my question. >> that's right. i made the point that their money is going to fuel these ads and that's creating a danger. it's insighticiting hate toward community and creating a danger for millions of people. we saw an instance where there's a cost to that. in el paso the terrorists, the shooter, basically mimics a lot of the language president trump himself has used and that's consistent with those facebook
ads. so giving money to donald trump at this point should not be considered just the cost of doing business, or i want to -- i'm a republican in good standing so i want to support the president. you're giving money for somebody that's going after a community, and people have gotten killed because of that. >> congressman, it's willie geist. it's good to see you this morning. what is the objective here? what do you hope will happen to the 44 private citizens whose names you posted? do you want people to boycott their companies, protest outside their homes? what is your goal here? >> no, that was never my goal. like i said, my post was actually as a san antonian, my family has been here since 1922. it was a lament. it wasn't meant as a boycott. it wasn't meant to target these people. it was meant to draw attention to the fact we've got a lot of people in our community who are
respected by san antonio, who are contributing to this guy that's using their money to fuel hate. and so what i hope is that this has started a conversation about what exactly donald trump doing with these people's money. and i hope that these donors in san teantonio and donors throughout the country, unless you support the white nationalism and the racism that donald trump is paying for and fueling, then i hope that you, as a person of good conscience, will think twice about contributing to his campaign. >> but congressman, as you look at this list, and you even put their addresses out there. it's easy to find them. knees people are undoubtedly already being harassed on line or in face to face in some cases, they could be. what do you say to people this morning when you say, i made a campaign donation and now i'm being harassed? i'm going to have people protesting outside my business or perhaps even my home? what do you want them to say?
do you want them to repent for donald trump or what do you want from them? >> first thing, i don't want anybody harassed or tormented -- >> they will be because you put their names in public. >> that's not my intention. >> but that will happen. >> these things are public. what i want is for people to think twice about supporting a guy who is fueling hate in this country. >> congressman, do you believe in this culture -- and i'm making no equivalency with what donald trump is doing, about the ads he's putting up, the rhetoric he uses. if you believe rhetoric can lead to incitement, even if it triggers one person to be careful, does it give you any pause to put these names out in public? >> willie, they're already out there. >> there is one homemaker and a
libertarian who is not public. >> one thing i am concerned about is the distraction from the fact that people are grieving in el paso, that these folks just got killed, and there are funerals that are being planned right now, and the world and the country should be focused on that, on the country coming together and healing, the country unifying. so i'm concerned about all of that. i don't want anybody on the left or the right to be a target of any crazy person, of any person who means them harm at all. >> it would be nice to hear, actually, those that are contributing to donald trump say the same thing. because here's a guy who, again, laughs when people in his audience get whipped into such a frenzy that somebody says shoot hispanics that come into the country, donald trump laughs about it. they have shouts of "send her back" for non-white members of
congress. >> that's absolutely right. i've heard so many stories from folks the last few years, but in particular the last few months as his campaign has started to intensify about how they don't feel safe. these are brown-skinned people that can't hide their skin color. they can't hide themselves in public. he's made them a constant target. they can't get away from that. every time they go outside, they're fearful. so, yeah, you've got a lot of people in this country that are living in fear because of this president. and what i'm asking for is for people who are making contributions to that effort to think twice about it, and i'm directly asking the president to stop spending money on campaign ads that target an entire community and inspire shooters like the one in el paso to go do what he did. >> we agree on that, congressman.
i hope we agree, too, that incitement is bad for the country and our politics. congressman joaquin castro, thank you very much. coming up, cory booker is set to give a major speech today about white nationalism. the setting for that address holds significant meaning. that's next on "morning joe." weo a cancer fighting, hiv controlling, joint replacing, and depression relieving company. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.
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president obama consoling the country in the wake of the shooting rampage of mother emanuel church that killed nine people in 2015. it was also a hate-fueled white supremacist attack. this morning presidential candidate senator cory booker of new jersey will deliver a speech at that very same church in the wake of the latest massacres. miguel brewster spoke with booker yesterday about his speech. >> i think it's important that we talk about the proliferation of hate in this country, and how hatred and this toxicity in our culture is now manifesting itself in these increasingly violent attacks and violent action. we have to deal with this as a nation. this is a cultural problem, and you either are helping to solve the problem, or in many ways, if you're not actively working against hate, you are allowing it to fester. >> reverend sharpton, you were there. we showed president obama singing "amazing grace." what was it like to be in that
room, first of all, and why is it so important for someone like senator booker to be talking about this today? >> it was a very moving experience to be sitting there. i knew reverend peteney whose funeral it was. but when the president of the united states broke out in that anthem, which no one knew he was going to do, it was an awesome moment that i don't think we can ever really, really explain in words the impact it had on the nation as well as those that were present. and it brought us to higher ground. that's why, if you don't mind, i want to go back into castro's interview. i was glad that he clarified why he was saying what he was saying about those that contributed to donald trump, because you can inadvertently end up matching how low and bizarre behavior is if kbryou're not careful. i remember in the '90s, we had a
dispute with a store in harlem, and some of the people came to me and we took a position, and i got up and said, we're going to go down there and make sure this white loafer doesn't do this to the brother in harlem. i shouldn't have used the word "white" because race had nothing to do with it. the they were right about the issue. three months later a guy was criticizing sharpton saying he shouldn't use aggression. you had critics that said i called it. this was a three-month day. all of a sudden a guy who hated my guts was listening to me three months later. i don't want to see castro put in that position. we don't want to be on either side of this. we should condemn trump. we should not in any way contribute to his behavior. >> you want castro to stand
down. >> i want it clear that we don't want any trouble. these are public records. please don't support hate. that's what president trump is trying to finance. >> the president traveling to el paso and dayton today. chris jansing picks up the coverage today. >> hello there. i'm chris jansing in for stephanie ruhle. at any moment the president is set to depart for dayton and el paso, two cities in warning recovering from the mass shootings that took place over the weekend. but the fear has spread way beyond ohio and texas. in the tourist square in new york and utah, when a car
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