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okay. that will dio it r this hour of msnbc live. you can follow me on twitter. the news continues with my colleague, richard lui. possibly a busy afternoon ahead. >> we're looking for that report. thank you, kendis. richard lui live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. as kendis was intimating there, the new york city medical examiner expected to release the autopsy results in the death of jeffrey epstein. there's more questions than answers surrounding epstein's apparent suicide. the disgraced financier was in federal custody awaiting trial on child trafficking charges. multiple people familiar with the investigation tell nbc news epstein was not on suicide
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watch. in late july after being denied bail he was found injured in his manhattan jail cell. the 66-year-old was semiunconscious at that time and had marks around his neck. sources say he was placed on suicide watch after that. but then, after a mental evaluation, he was then sent back to his own cell in the special housing unit that has bedding and wore prison attire. epstein, a convicted sex offender, was indicted last month on federal charges of trafficking teenage girls as young as 14 to have sex. he pled not guilty to those charges. if convicted, he could have faced up to 45 years in jail. now, meanwhile, the president is weighing in on this entire case by promoting a conspiracy theory linking epstein's death to bill clinton. without any evidence, though. joining us now, nbc national security intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, we
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also have nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell who's in berkeley heights, new jersey, near bedminster where the president is spending the weekend. ken, we'll start with you on this. what is the latest in terms of what we know about the case? we know we're waiting for a potential autopsy result report. >> that's right, richard, the report by the new york medical examiner should be able to answer some key questions, principally, the cause of death and the manner of death. if it's anything other than suicide, that will be a huge bombshell revelation, obviously sh ev , even if it's undetermined because law enforcement sources are telling us as you reported that epstein appears to have hung himself in his cell. the big question, of course, how could that possibly have happened to one of the most high-profile inmates in this federal facility? and there are sort of two levels of questions. one, he was in a special housing unit where the rules say the guards were supposed to be
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visiting him at least once every 30 minutes. they're investigating if that actually happened. how long was he alone in the cell such he was able to hang himself if, in fact, that's what occurred? the real question, kendis, richard, sorry, how did he get moved off of suicide watch? the rules say he would have had to have a face-to-face mental health evaluation with the facility psychologist for that to have happened. now that the fbi and justice department inspector general are investigating the circumstances of all this, that's going to be one of their key questions, what was the evaluation that he was not a threat to himself, such that he was moved off suicide wat watch, just so people understand, suicide watch he would have been monitored every second, he would have been in a very spartan cell with no bed clothes essentially. instead, he was moved to a place where he was on his own, there there were bed sheets, there there was a windowsill, an opportunity for him to hang himself, richard. >> over to kelly o'donnell, kelly, and then there's the president of the united states weighing in on what has happened in the last 24 hours and what are we hearing from him?
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>> reporter: well, it's really an indirect weighing in. he has retweeted the comments made by a supporter of his who was peddling a conspiracy theory about epstein's death linking it, making an unfounded spurious allegation that somehow the clintons are connected to epstein's death. again, something completely unfounded. we really shouldn't even show it on screen. it's the kind of thing that is trafficked in the internet world, and the president of the united states using his considerable influence and his enormous twitter followership to peddle that out. this is something we've seen the president do in other ways, where he would retweet things that are critical of political rivals and some of his political opponents. and doing that without any further comment. so the president in his own voice, in his own words, has not spoken about the epstein death or any of the specifics that have been discussed in the last
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24 hours about the investigation or what should happen next. he simply retweeted, but that, in and of itself, is very powerful when you're talking about the president of the united states using the force of his own megaphone. and so this is the kind of thing where now the clinton spokesperson for president clinton has said, of course, this is ridiculous, it is not true and donald trump knows it's not true. and it's the kind of thing that in sort of the dark conspiracy world of people who traffic in this kind of accusation, and there's a lot of this on the internet for various topics, that it's picked up some speed there and it's one of the things that's being talked about and democratic candidates in the 2020 race for the nomination have called out the president today to say it's dangerous. it's inappropriate. and he should not have done this. i've repeatedly asked the white house today for any kind of comment about it, and they have simply not responded. richard? >> building on what you just reported there, kelly, let's get over to the other "k" here, ken,
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what's the -- as you talk to your sources, sometimes you can get an understanding if there's a there, there, right, or they're saying be careful, this is strictly exactly what we know right now, or there could be more. what's that sort of sense on the ground, if you will, here, ken, in terms of is there more than this than what has been reported so far? >> richard, my colleague, jonathan deinst, who covers new york law enforcement very closely, has been told by senior officials that there just isn't any evidence of foul play. there's no hint of it. but, of course, the circumstances of this are such that even reasonable people are asking questions. it just doesn't make sense. how could this possibly have happened to such a high-profile inmate in a federal facility? it's a huge black eye for the bureau of prisons and the department of justice and that's why the attorney general, william barr, said he was appalled this had happened and immediately ordered an investigation. they have to get to the bottom of it. if it was incompetence, they have to explore that, they have to name names because until they
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do that, there will be these lingering questions about how this could have possibly happened, how there wasn't foul play. again, our oreporting if officials tell us there's no hint of foul play. they believe this is a suicide. >> we're going to watch out what ken was reported on, looking at the autopsy results expected to come out this afternoon. ken dilanian, nbc news national security and intelligence correspondent. we also have white house correspondent kelly o'donnell with us with the very latest on this story. thank you, both. let's get over to josh gerstein, politico writer. jill wine banks, former assistant watergate prosecutor. both msnbc contributors. josh, what happens when and if we do get these results and how important are they to understanding what happened to jeffrey epstein and what will happen next in these criminal cases and these civil cases? >> well, i think this first results are going to be of limited skrvalue. the medical examiner doesn't
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really have the ability to do a thorough criminal investigation or sort of a civil investigation in terms of the issues that ken was raising about whether the bureau of prisons policies were followed here. i do think one issue about why he may have been taken off of suicide watch is there is some pressure on prisons, on jailers, not to have people sort of languish on suicide watch indefinitely. it's not pleasant. it can involve being woken up a lot of times over the course of the night. that said, a week or so is not very long to spend on suicide watch. i covered the chelsea manning case. she was on and off suicide watch for about nine months. which then became the topic of, you know, extended dispute during her court-martial. that could be one of the impulses, but still, why they would sort of give into that impulse in such a high-profile case after just a matter of a few days is really mysterious. >> when we look at what happens to the cases next here, jill, there are the criminal cases, right, then there are the civil cases. potentially more added to what is already out there.
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in the criminal side, what do we expect to happen now? >> well, in terms of the actual criminal case against jeffrey epstein, it's over. with his death, that case goes away. but the indictment of him included a conspiracy so his co-conspirators will continue to be investigated. and that can lead to some very interesting revelations and there is a civil case that can continue to pend. the actual apparent suicide followed the release of some very damaging information in the civil lawsuit. just as his first apparent attempted suicide followed the release of some information and a decision by the court not to release him to home confinement. so there seems to be a timing pattern to these attempted suicides. >> uh-huh. >> and it -- i think josh is right, we aren't going to know
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from whatever the results of the medical examiner are as to whether or not it was. i think the more interesting question is why the department of justice and the bureau of prisons, which it controls, did not take more precautions given his history of an attempted suicide and given the potential that he had for talking about some significant other players in his crimes. so it's up to investigators to actually find that out now. >> so the victims and survivors here, then, josh, as they go forward, and we could see more civil cases, will these potential cases coming from survivors, victims here, will they go against the government, potentially, and what has happened to jeffrey epstein? >> i think they're more likely -- i mean, these are civil cases looking for money and epstein was still a very wealthy man despite his time in prison or county jail and all the legals bills he'd incurred. i think you'll probably see more suits filed against his estate.
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in terms of the public's interest, as jill points out, there were about 2,000 pages of documents that were released about 24 hours before epstein apparently killed himself. and there are many, many more pages of documents to come. the court files are still sealed in large part. and we're waiting on a judge to unseal the remainder of those documents. so there's a lot more to be learned not only about epstein, but associates who might have fueled his crimes. >> as we look at those 2,000 pages of documents here, jill, we don't necessarily know exactly what's inside of it. for a moment here, jill, what may have been in those documents that may be associated with this apparent suicide, if at all here? >> well, i think just the fact that he realized that the jig was up, so to speak, and he was really being revealed for what he was may have led to some action on his part. but, remember, we have to hold off any judgment about whether this was a suicide, whether it
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was something more nefarious, or something in between which is an assisted suicide in the sense of the bureau of prisons let him alone. they left him in a cell by himself, whereas he had been told that -- we had been told that he would be in a cell with a cell mate once he was taken off suicide watch, that he would be monitored every 30 minutes, and, yes, you probably could commit suicide even if you were monitored every 30 minutes, but you might have been saved if they had actually followed that rule. and i think it's important for us to find out why those things were changed. who made that determination to take him off suicide watch and to not monitor him every 30 minutes. those are the important questions to determine whether or not he acted on his own. >> quickly, josh, if i could ask investigations, what would that one question be? >> i think the real question would be who authorized him being taken off of suicide watch
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after just six days and like jill said, what precautions were supposed to be in place thereafter, and whether they were actually followed. that's what the justice department is going to have to get to the bottom of. >> you both agree on that question. josh gerstein, thank you so much, sir, jill, stay with us, we'll have you back later. you're looking at live pictu pictures, by the way, at the iowa state fair. there are tons of democratic presidential candidates this weekend. gun control is the issue there for many voters after a difficult week in america. (groans) hmph... (food grunting menacingly) when the food you love doesn't love you back, stay smooth and fight heartburn fast with tums smoothies. ♪ tum tum-tum tum tums with tums smoothies. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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well, the political question of the moment right now is is it the right time that gun control action, it might be possible? as democrats gather in iowa this weekend for the state fair, michael bennet is speaking to the crowd right now as you look at live shots there in des moin moines. meanwhile, the president's allies and aides are hitting the airwave to reiterate the president's position he's ready to act. >> the president has been actively talking to republicans and democrats on the matter of background checks and just being able to have meaningful, measurable, reforms. >> we got a bill to president trump's desk last year, which truly duds oes go after the rea problems we saw where people were falling through the cracks. >> seven of the presidential candidates making the sunday show rounds. expressing skepticism about whether republicans are acting in good faith. >> i believe very little that
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this president says where he tweets, he tweets a lot of things. he says, makes a lot of bold statements that don't just come through. he doesn't follow through. he doesn't do the things that keep our nation safe and strong. >> we passed the background checks that are waiting for mitch mcconnell to put on the floor this summer. mcconnell can vote however he wants, but why doesn't he just put it on the floor so that every senator can be held accountable for their vote? >> all right. let's go now to our nbc news road warrior, vaughn hillyard, you can probably tell, as usual, with one of the candidates and, vaughn, bernie sanders there with you. >> watch it. >> reporter: senator sanders, you're live on msnbc. what is your message to iowa fairgoers here on guns here amid this conversation? >> well, if guns and everything else, message on guns, is we have to take on the nra. the question on the economy is that we have to take on wall street. we're going to have to take on the insurance companies, we're going to have to take on the
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health care industry. we're going to have to take on the fossil fuel industry. what we have got to fight for right now, what this is all isn't, is having the courage to take on special interests who today dominate the economics and politics of america and create a government that works for all of us and not just the 1%. so the nra is an absolute part of the problem. they are dictating gun policy. we got to -- we have a pharmaceutical industry that is charging us the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. we're going to have to take them on and we have to do what every other major country on earth is doing, guaranteeing health care to all as a human rights through medicare for all. >> reporter: when you're talking to iowans who went for donald trump in 2016 by 10 hpercentage points, we're talking about white supremacy, what do you tell the voters who voted for donald trump in 2016? >> it's a sad state of affairs, we have a president of the united states who's a racist, a
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sexist, a xenophobe and homophobe and religious bigot. as a nation we need a president, hopefully bernie sanders, who understands the goal of being president is to bring people together, not to divide us up. but this is what i also say to the trump -- to the people who voted for donald trump. here in iowa and around the country. i say to those people that trump lied to you. he told you that he would provide health care to everybody. remember that? that was a lie. he tried to throw 32 million people off the health care that they had. he said he would not cut medicare and medicaid. his budget calls for massive cuts to medicare and medicaid and cuts to social security as well. he said that his tax plan would not help the wealthy, well, the truth is 83% of the benefits over a 10-year period go to the top 1%. i say to the people who voted for trump that if you really want change, vote for somebody who comes from the working class. not a billionaire.
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who understands working-class issues. is going to stand up and fight for the working class. >> reporter: we'll let you go. your polling numbers here in iowa have gone down a little bit. >> no, you haven't. you're looking at one poll which the media seems to like to talk about. >> reporter: so -- >> actually, actually -- >> reporter: how did bernie sanders rise to the top of the polls here in the iowa caucus? >> actually, if you look at the reports of polling since the last debate, guess which candidate has gone up the most. thank you very much. >> senator -- >> bernie sanders. >> reporter: thank you, senator. >> all right. vaughn hillyard there with bernie sanders. bernie sanders making his way to the soap box. that's the actual place where each candidate stands and gives their speech. and so vaughn hillyard, our nbc news road warrior, was able to stop him on the way, if you will, before he's about to get up there and get a little warmup of what bernie sanders might be saying. let's go to our panel right now to reflect on what was said -- by the way, vaughn, thank you for that. politico politics reporter daniel strauss. former florida congressman,
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msnbc political contributor, david jolly. daniel, we've all been through that in some way or the other. going down the road, stopping a candidate trying to get the most out of him as they do make their way to "a" to "b" and you heard the question that vaughn was asking, and that had to do with the polling numbers in iowa. and bernie sanders dropping seven percentage points since april. while you see elizabeth warren jump 12 percentage points. what's happening there in iowa that explains why sanders is going down, warren popping? >> i mean, it's really more that warren is warming to areas of the democratic party that i think at the beginning of this cycle a lot of political observers didn't think she would. she is expanding her base beyond just the super-liberal, super-progressive wing of the party. to a lot of democrats she's emerging as a viable alternative to the front -- the other fro
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front-runners in this primary. that's joe biden, kamala harris, that's pete buttigieg and that's bernie sanders. that's why in polls not just in iowa but around the country, we're seeing a steady increase for her. not as much for bernie sanders. >> david jolly, as we've been watching your coverage on this story here on our network about, unfortunately, what happened over the last week and a half, with gun violence as well as we see so many deaths within a short amount of time here. elizabeth warren, let's stay on her for a moment. given that she popped such a large number of percentage points, plus 12, again, she just coming out with her gun prevention plan. part of it requiring background checks for the majority of private sales. appointing an a.g. who would investigate the nra for exploiting loopholes in federal laws. fairly far-reaching. i'm just mentioning two of the bullet points from her prevention plan.
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is her liberal stance, as some might call it, farther left, right on the spectrum, is that's what's resonating? is that why we're seeing a plus 12 here? >> i think elizabeth warren is making all the right moves at the right tilme. she's the one candidate in the field who consistently improves her poll numbers and understan s understands the pulse of the nation. 3 31 people were gunned down in 13 hours at the hands of two people. what we saw from michael bennet, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, there's room in the broad field for democratic candidates to position themselves further on the issue of gun rights. understand the universal background check bill that michael bennet was talking about simply expands the transactions that are covered to gun shows and internet sales. doesn't expand the information. doesn't make the background checks comprehensive. bernie sanders has an uncertain history on gun control. he's had to evolve on it. coming from a very rural vermont, bernie sanders voted
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originally against the background checks but by 2016, 2018, is embracing background checks and assault weapons ban. within the democratic field, there is an opportunity for somebody to take real leadership. the one candidate we saw do it early was eric swalwell. he basically banked his entire campaign on assault weapons ban and greater gun control. even announcing down at parkland. he's now out of the race. i think there's room in this field for somebody to emerge on this singular issue. >> look at republican support of back grou background checks, currently the big talk in the town there in the beltway. we look at nra versus non-nra numbers here. 52% of nra members according to a poll some time ago, it's the latest poll we've got here, daniel, shows that there is support for background checks as one idea behind this offsetting the amount of gun violence that we have seen. is it about the type of solution here, or is it more about the
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beltway, which you know so well, about republicans and democrats and who is there and who can work together on this? >> i mean, there's always going to be some jockeying and gamesmanship here. here's a little weird to me to see nra members supporting background checks when, for years, that was the democratic position and it was met with strong opposition. you know, one other alternative we're hearing right now in d.c. and in political circles is for red flag laws. that's something that republicans seem to be showing a lot of recent interest in. but right now, president trump, himself, says there's a strong appetite for moving some kind of major background check legislation. and democrats have been saying that for a while. i'm still skeptical that we're actually going to see something like that any time soon, but that's the discussion topic right now. >> david jolly, you discussed on air several ideas behind what might happen in the future now. in terms of solutions.
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that might make it through congress, potentially, or might get more attention. was el paso -- was dayton a turning point for this discussion in the white house as well as on the hill? >> not in a meaningful way, and i say that with some regret. we will see possibly incremental changes in response to what needs a real comprehensive solution, and i think this is a game of low expectations now. look, if republicans move on universal background checks, gun shows and internet sales, god bless femthem. that's great. that does very little to expand, as i mentioned, what do we do about somebody to faced prosecution and wasn't convicted or domestic violence call where charges weren't pressed or somebody who seeks mental health counseling for ideations of violence but doesn't trigger reporting by the mental health community? we may see them move on red flag laws, jurisdictional issue, watered down to a federal grant program to states that wish to
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implement red flag law slike we saw in parkland and seen some effect. they have to focus on making background checks comprehensive, the elements i just discussed and focus assault weapons ban and high-capacity magazines. the weapons of war. because republicans will be unwilling to touch those. that should be an issue of contrast going into 2020 because i think the american people want those latter reforms. >> daniel strauss, as always, thank you, friend. david jolly, stick around. we'll talk to you next segment. up next, campaign of terror. that's how one presidential contender describes president trump's policies and their impact on communities of color.
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well, the battle over immigration is at center stage right now after a week that left the latino community reeling and one presidential candidate giving the president's policies a chilling label. take a listen. >> this administration has directed dhs to conduct these raids as part of what i believe is this administration's campaign of terror. >> the quote you saw there, campaign of terror, referring to the largest ever i.c.e. raid in a single state in mississippi which came just days after a mass shooting in el paso, texas,
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by a suspect who said he was targeting mexicans. trump administration officials tried to defend the raids that left terrified children without their parents, and seemingly, no plan to make sure if they were okay. >> it's not just a victimless crime that's going on here. first of all, they are here illegally, and a lot of times there's additional fraud that goes with them to get these job in these companies. >> they took this very seriously, had a process with 14 different case workers and phones available to call and find parents and kids and make arrangements. so this is -- was done with sensitivity. >> let's go tower pan our panel. anchor and executive producer for npr's "latino usa." back with us, david jolly, former florida congressman. maria, as we look at what's happened in el paso, you were just there, and the thematics that have overlapped upon each other, now you see the democratic candidates saying this is not good and they've labeled president trump in very
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unsavory terms. you see kamala harris there saying this is a campaign of terror, you've heard the word, racist, as well. are they right? are they going too far? >> if you are latino or latina right now in the united states, and by the way, there are many who do support donald trump. i have not been in touch with them yet. but if you are a latino or latina right now, you are feeling -- you're kind of to torn -- your heart is open. so people who have citizenship, you know, within, in my own family, are scared in a city like chicago, undocumented people who i know are calling me frantic afraid to leave the home. in el paso, there is the trauma, you know, it started kind of with a, of course, the shock and the sadness. when i left on wednesday -- on thursday, it was already turning into anger. the trauma of realizing that if the united states, you know, and i've said this before on the air, right, it would have been appropriate for "the new york
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times" and all of our newspapers to have block letters, bold letters, saying, latinos in the united states attacked. latinos in the largest hate crime, you know, are assaulted while they're shopping. while they're shopping. so, when i heard kamala say that, i have to say, my -- i just stood up and i said, oh, my god, it is, it sounds horrible, but if you're a member of this community, this is how you feel, and -- and, again, we don't want to have to say this, but this president actively saying now that he wants more raids, what are we supposed to think, that he cares? he started his campaign on an anti-mexican platform. so, yes, he's a racist. i'm sorry. i hate to say it, but his policies, his words, his actions, his deeds, everything. >> david jolly, react to what
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maria said. and she agrees with those who have been very critical with this president. what he has done so far. >> yeah, this is one more inflection point where the nation gets to evaluate the character. the moral character of both donald trump, the man, as well as the administration that he oversees. what we know is that if there were 600 employees rounded up and arrested, the first arrest should have been the employer that was engaging in this behavior that apparently broke the law. secondly, what we know is in 2019, the american government should not separate parents from their children. period. doesn't matter if it's a family coming across the southwest border, if it's a family that's here undocumented where the parents are trying to earn a living to provide for their family. i think this is the opportunity. this is the story line for democrats and, frankly, those republicans who support a pathway to legal residency or citizenship, to make the case. that young girl crying on camera
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saying my dad's not a criminal, i need my father, this is the reason people make the argument for a pathway to residency. we're not going to be a nation that deports 1 1 million to 13 million people because they're here without legal status. donald trump wants to do it 600 people at a time. this is a moment to push back politically but on behalf of the character of the nation, we should not be separating parents from their children. that's what we saw in mississippi at the hands of donald trump. >> these are american citizens, you know, i think part of what this administration has wanted to do is to make latinos and latinas, mexicans, central americans, anybody who does not look white, to somehow look different and be, like, not part of the united states. no. many of those children, by the way, i don't even know if we have permission to be showing their faces, right, because their parents were detained, those children are american citizens more than likely. so the question is, how are we feeling? these are not the way the administration wants to paint these families. like, criminals. kellyanne conway should be
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ashamed of herself as a mother speaking in a way that these people are criminals. they're workers. they were working. in the most -- you know, like, cleaning chickens. i don't know if anybody's been there, it's kind of horrible. >> it is not a good situation in many of those coops as you're talking about and the places where they do clean these chickens. i did want to add to what the two of you have already commented upon. first off, as the president is addressing immigration, it's clearly reaching who his voters have been and who -- and the issues they care about, immigration, you see here, at the top of the list. gun control at the bottom. and then if we go to number seven, which is the arrests by numbers, by company, you can see the breakdown here of the number of arrests and the companies that david jolly was alluding to go after the employers, not the employees. again, that's the i.c.e. arrest numbers by company. and so as we look at those pieces of information here,
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david jolly -- >> yeah. >> -- does the policy evolve to go after then those who own these companies and, two, if the president's remarks are being seen as maria is describing it, many might ask why wouldn't the president double down on his comments in his prepared speech before and reemphasize that this is not what he wants to be, this is not about supporting this idea of being racist. >> richard, immigration is the number-one issue because the president has set a narrative or xenophobia. it's different than immigration policy. he has run his campaign, launched his campaign, suggesting that immigration is rooted in xenophobia, in fear, in danger, and he has made people of color to be reasons of concern for his base constituency. a largely white populist constituency. when he does this, he knows an enforcement action that is
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publicly done that is based under the law, that is true, why we need immigration reform law. he can say he is simply enforcing the law. >> right. >> he's overlooking the part of the law that does hold the employer accountable. richard, this goes back about ten years. there has never been enforcement of the employers because chamber of commerce republicans don't want it to happen and they fund the party. >> all right. david jolly, maria hinojosa, thank you both for your time today. >> thank you. still ahead, red, white, and you. what voters think about current gun control legislation now one week after mass shootings in two u.s. cities. and tonight on msnbc, katy tur, jacob soboroff continue their series, "american swamp." they dig deep into the murky area of voting rights. 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. every day, visionaries are creating the future.
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and welcome back. in this week's "red, white & you," gun control dominating the debate among voters. here are some people in dayton, ohio. one of the two cities at the center of last week's horrific violence. >> i'll put it to you this way, i'm an nra supporter. avid gun holder. i lost my son because of it as well. there's a lot of things that need to happen as far as what we need to look at to stop it. >> i don't know. i'm a gun owner. i'm not getting rid of my gun. they want to get rid of my guns, they're going to have to get rid of me. >> i'm here today because i want to send trump a message that we need to have sensible gun control in this country and that
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not only includes background checks for all gun sales but also to get the assault weapons out of the hands of civilians. >> many democrats focusing their attention, therefore, on one man, and it's not the president. now it's mitch mcconnell. the self-prescribed grim reaper, rather, self-described, has been a consistent blockade against gun control legislation. a reputation not lost on voters in his home state of kentucky. >> background checks are very reasonable because you, you know, don't know what someone has done in the past. >> i think it just kind of depends on the person, i mean, if someone's crazy, then no matter what they have, they're going to do harm to people. >> i think guns in america needs to be regulated. i don't think we need any type of mass destruction guns, any type of automatic weapons. if you want to have a gun, that's fine.
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keep them at home. >> then there's an editorial headline in louisville's "courier journal" titled, "mcconnell, we need thoughtful gun control legislation. we need your leadership." it adds, "two bills that would make it harter f erharder for pt guns, bills with bipartisan support, passed the house but you failed to bring them to the senate for a vote." drive safely.. . with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.key. along with support,
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i have never been a quitter. to leave office before my term is completed is abhorrent to every instinct in my body. but as president, i must put the interests of america first. america needs a full-time president and a full-time congress. therefore, i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> president richard nixon, 45 years ago this week, announcing his resignation as you saw there amid the historic watergate scandal, a time where nixon was facing impeachment and removal from the white house. now, house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler says impeachment proceedings against
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president trump, they are currently under way. >> this is formal impeachment proceedings. we are investigating all the evidence, we're gathering the evidence and we will at the conclusion of this hopefully by the end of the year vote to -- vote articles of impeachment to the house floor or we don't. that's a decision that we'll have to make. but that's exactly the process we're in right now. >> last week, the judiciary committee filed a lawsuit calling for former white house counsel don mcgahn to testify. it called him, "a crucial witness in their process for determining whether to recommend articles of impeachment." nbc news reports at least 119 house democrats have called for an impeachment inquiry or to vote to impeach. that's a majority now of the majority. joining us now, msnbc contributor, former watergate special prosecutor, jill wine-banks. jill, reflect on what you did at that moment when we played that
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tape 45 years ago this week. what was your reaction as you were watching that happen? >> i was watching that with my colleagues, and we were all in a way relieved that this was happening. it was the right outcome. you had the facts were clear of his guilt. there was no question of it. and he ultimately did believe in the rule of law and resigned rather than put the congress to the vote, but that's because he was told by his own colleagues, by republicans, that he had lost. that he did not even have the support of republicans and the impeachment had gone very well in terms of gathering conservative democrats and republicans to support the articles of impeachment. and it was clear that he was going to be out of office, but i remember being chilled -- i mean, even listening to it now, it brings me sadness that we aren't at a point where we have agreed upon packets, if there had been a fox news back then, i
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don't know what the outcome would have been. back then, we had an agreement that the facts were the facts. and that's what we need again. that's why mcgahn's testimony is important. not just mcgahn, but hope hicks, lewandows lewandowski, all of them need to testify so the public can assess for themselves who's telling the truth. >> august 2019 is much different than august as we look at 45 years ago with president nixon at the time. now that we have chairman nadler saying we are, as you saw in the interview, undertaking impeachment proceedings. what's been the change? has it -- has it begun well before his very statement, but it's a matter of the way he's labeling it. >> i think the label matters in terms of the court documents. so a court is much more likely to expedite the case. it almost has to expedite it in this circumstance. and it also prepares for the
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judicial proceeding that will allow, for example, in addition to the mcgahn testimony, the underlying grand jury transcripts are available to a judicial proceeding or preliminary to a judicial proceeding, and by labeling this impeachment, we now have a judicial proceeding for the courts to release the grand jury testimony and to order mcgahn and all other witnesses to testify. i mean, i'm surprised that mcgahn didn't have the courage to do it. he's not under the jurisdiction of the president anymore, and he owes it to america to tell the truth and to be honest and to say what he told to the grand jury -- >> uh-huh. >> i'm hoping to hear him soon. >> jill, how important is that shift in the words chosen by chairman nadler, number two, what might have encouraged him to change the words he's using? might it be he has now 119 of
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house democrats behind the idea of impeachment proceedings, again, going back to the hastert rule, majority of the majority, now supporting this move forward? might that all be part of this shift in words? >> i think that both in terms of the number of democrats who are now for impeachment and i think the number will grow during this august recess when democrats hear from their constituents and when their constituents realize the danger of doing nothing. i think that's one of the biggest problems is that we are allowing the president to be unaccountable. he cannot be indicted under the department of justice opinion, which, by the way, i believe to be legally and constitutionally incorrect. >> uh-huh. >> so we need to go forward with impeachment as a way to bring the facts to the public. >> you have watched history, if you had to write a headline, very quickly, here, jill, what would be the headline of what we are going through today 20 years from now? 45 years from now. >> facts matter. and the constitution demands
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that congress exercise its responsibility to go ahead and have oversight and to have an impeachment inquiry. >> okay. front-row seat. jill wine-banks over the course -- >> thank you. >> -- of history. jill, thank you so much. have a very good sunday. >> thank you. >> all righty. up next on "politicsnation," reverend al sharpton speaks live with the mother of michael brown, leslie mcspadden and civil rights attorney benjamin crump. yes, it's been five years since the events in ferguson that caused nationwide outrage and jump-started the black lives matter movement. e, so you only pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar? thanks, lady. taxi! only pay for what you need.
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week. thanks for joining us. join me here next saturday, sunday, 4:00 p.m. eastern. reach out to me on social media. i'll get right back to you. now i turn it over to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening. and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, this week, sources close to president trump say they welcome democrats' charge that he's a white supremaci supremacist because they believe it will make him a martyr within his base going into 2020. they should pause to consider how much the president's own actions have played right into that characterization intended
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