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my thanks to you for watching. that does it for our hour. i am nicole. "mtp daily" with my friend chuck todd starts now. ♪ if it's friday, it could be the president's biggest vulnerability. it's not an economic shock. it's that we're not shocked anymore by his displays of anti-democratic behavior. either way, voters are signaling in their own way they may have had enough. plus, israel does not allow u.s. congresswoman to visit. then it does, sort of with conditions, and then she declines anyway. could this diplomatic clash inat the gaited by the president have a greater impact? and. and elizabeth warren on the rise. she's overtaken bernie sanders on yet another poll. what it means for the progressive wing's chances against the frontrunner. welcome to friday. welcome to end of another one of
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those weeks. it is "meet the press daily." and good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. and we begin tonight with what could be the president's biggest vulnerability. it was on full display last night at his campaign rally when he urged to ban two muslim congresswomen. the president in some ways is rewriting the american story or at least trying to. and some voters are seemingly exhausted by these attempts. his campaign rally made it clear that, one, he hasn't stopped trying to chip away at small d democratic institutions at home. but, two, a lot of people have stopped noticing or at least stopped being outraged about it. is he conditioning his own supporters? his supporters last night chanted about locking up their political opponents again. they chanted about how members of the free press suck. they yelled to send back a muslim congresswoman again. suggesting we might be better off without it completely by the way.
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and he played to fears about immigrants again. remarkably to a lot of folks, last night's rally wasn't very remarkable because we've heard from the president at so many times at these rallies it stopped having an impact. but everything i mentioned last night is just as anti-democratic as what people did notice this week when the president urged israel to ban two muslim congresswomen or when one of his top immigration officials. it's all part of the same story which is that the president's trying to change the american story undermining its cornerstones like the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of descent and the fact that this was a country built by immigrants. what are the consequences of all of this? well, we're about to find out. let's turn to our experts for the evening. andrea mitchell. adrienne elrod, former senior adviser to the clinton campaign. bill crystal, editor-at-large at the bulwark.
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here's where we started getting at this, andrea. it's from a fox poll. it's the second full screen. what's more important for democrats, a candidate to restore normalcy, 60%, a candidate to change washington, 36%. i believe the president's biggest problem is exhaustion. it's exhausting people from all of this. and the fact is i think when you see his numbers not budge anywhere and you see numbers like this, that's what the public is seeing. >> you know, when you think about what elected him, it was the rallies, the circuses of those rallies carried live at 7:00 in prime time on the east coast. he was getting enormous free media. and the social media. and perhaps we are all just, not me personally, but america is exhausted by the volatility and by the lack of normalcy and by
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destroying norms, things that have been held sacred in america by republicans, democrats, independents, people who don't care about politics. it's universal. it's who we are. and it's how we feel when we go to the monuments. >> we still aspire to be something even when we're not it yet. the more perfect union is because we're always fixing it and trying to get better. >> so whether you liked ronald reagan or didn't, i covered him for eight years. those were the things about hip. >> he believed in the story. again, i go back to a story in america. adrienne, look at these head to head matchups. joe biden is clearly still the strongest person. but look at trump's number, 38, 39. it doesn't matter whether it's
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warren, sanders, harris or biden. his number doesn't change. >> you know, chuck, when some of these polls initially came out earlier in the year it showed that tier candidates and beto o'rourke in some cases could beat donald trump. i think we all sort of looked at these polls and said i'm not quite sure if these are right. but we've seen this time and time again, and i think it has to do with exactly what andrea was saying. people are exhausted. people want normalcy restored to washington. there's a lot of moderates and independent voters out there who would be more than fine with a democrat back in the white house even if it's something they are not super familiar with or they're not entirely comfortable with in terms of their policies because they want normalcy restored to. with aye. >> it's like here's a candidate who frankly i think is running a below average campaign so far and yet it really hasn't impacted him because he's the safe harbor. so i think the risk to biden is warren now looks like she beats trump, but not as much. but if that ever emerges to the
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same number, i do think she has more natural support from the democratic party. but i think all the analysis does ignore one important fact. he is the incumbent. and -- >> do you think that is an advantage for him? because we now know what a -- >> it seemed like an advantage three or four months ago when the economy seemed to be strong. all the norm violating seemed to be something people in washington were concerned about, but it wasn't affecting people much. they couldn't quite see the consequences. i think both of those things have changed. when suddenly you're the incumbent and the economy looks shaky and people are getting killed, there are mass shootings provoked by which the manifesto of the shooter resembles trump. so you can't benefit the way in 2016 if we want to shake things up, andrea, i remember doing your show in cleveland during the republican convention and talking about a waitress who had
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served us, and she had been for obama in 2012, but she was kind of for trump this time. but she wanted to shake things up. and she thought hillary was out of touch. but, fine, they shook things up some. but now he is the incumbent, and i think he loses some fraction of those voters now if the economy doesn't look strong and if people just think it's just too much. >> it is so counterintuitive by the way that a changed message is actually the weaker message, right? normally when would we ever say a changed message was a weaker message? it's what makes biden's candidacy relevant under any other circumstance it would be struggling. >> wouldn't the great irony be if sleepy joe became -- >> an asset. [ laughter ] >> a plus for joe biden? >> i want a president who's more asleep more often than he's not. that's what we're tired of. stop waking up at 3 in the morning and tweeting me. >> it's the insults also. i just think there's a part of america and regardless of politics that just doesn't like
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a guy who calls out an overweight person in the balcony at a rally in manchester, new hampshire, last night, mistakenly thinking it was a protester, not the trump supporter -- >> so he only apologized because he thought that the person was -- >> but he didn't apologize. >> but he only cared because -- >> he called from air force one but did not apologize. because this is donald trump, you don't apologize. he basically called just to chat. it's weird. >> adrienne, looking at how the democrats handle this, it's clear restoration calming the waters, certainly what swing voters want. >> yeah. >> democratic primary voters, they want to beat trump, but they don't want to just lie dormant either. >> that's the struggle. >> this is the warren/biden tension. >> yeah. well, i think at one point democratic strategists like myself feared that maybe the moderate swing voters will just tune out. they're just going to turn off
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twitter, they are not going to tune into the news and they are still going to vote for trump because they think he's best on the economy, they think he's best on issues that matter. >> you no longer believe that? >> i no longer believe that because i think it's harder and harder to tune him out. if you turn off the television, if you're not looking at social media, you're talking about this at family barbecues. you can not avoid the madness of trump. and that is seeping more and more into the culture of everyday americans and people are getting really sick and tired of it. >> let me reverse it the other way, bill. i don't want to get into where i sort of came to this conclusion. but the way we treat pop culture icons now, the minute you hit fame, you become obsolete quicker, too. look, one of the theories i have about the next 20 years is that our accelerated social media, our accelerated everything is going accelerate one month feels like a year in donald trump's presidency. so one term's going to feel like four. >> i think that's true. but i guess i do come back to the economy in the sense that i
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think you're tired of trump, annoyed by the tweets, dissatisfied with some of what he's doing. but if the economy's good and the democrats look like they might ruin it, trump said this himself, he's not stupid when he says if i can just make them terrified of electing a democrat and make myself identified with general economic wellbeing, i have a chance to overcome all these problems. if the democrats are not terrifying, a, and, b, if there's not general economic wellbeing, that strategy goes out the window. >> but, guess what, it's clear the china strategy is not working. >> the china strategy is blowing up in their face. >> it is. and i know he's now going to panic and try to cut a deal. the chinese don't operate on our political calendar, do they? >> no. president xi does not have to worry. these protests are one thing in hong kong. but in his base, he doesn't have to worry about a time frame. >> the president is actually for a guy who is usually pretty good with identifying leverage when he sees it, hong kong is great leverage for him and he refuses to use it. it's bizarre.
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>> one of the problems with the china strategy is you've got navarro and you've got lighthizer and mnuchin. i recall a chinese diplomat going who do we negotiate this with during the u.n. meetings. and so lighthizer/mnuchin won that bait, but navarro is still coming in and talking in the president's ear. and the last person to speak to this person president is the one -- i doubt very much that mnuchin wants to walk away from the deal that they had when they upped the ante. that's a trump move. >> let me go back to this nato issue one more time because it goes more to the rally issue. he's doing the same basically bizarre stuff, some of it lie, some of it b.s. at his rallies. we just collectively don't get out raged by it anymore. look at how he's advancing his nato argument now. take a listen. >> i got nato to pay an extra $100 billion they weren't playing. they were delinquent. then we protect them, they don't
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pay. they were delinquent. they were delinquent. i'm tired of paying for other nations anyway. i have to be honest with you. [ cheers and applause ] and today our nation is stronger than ever before. >> our nation. he never -- he took the nato thing and he took it a step forward and it feels like the next step is i'm not going to pay the dues. >> this is why every foreign friend of the u.s. i speak to says i think we can make it through these four years, the next year and a half. emboldened and the implications that would have around the world of what people think about u.s. reliability and u.s. commitment to various alliance structures, that's a whole new story. but i don't think foreign policy will play a huge role, but that can sink in a little bit. >> these rallies are just as toxic as they were three years ago. the mainstream press, all of us are covering it less.
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it just feels like nonsense. you just sit there and you say, okay, but it does have an impact. are we now undercovering what he's saying at these rallies? >> no, absolutely not. >> but i am concerned that this crazy is just seeping into the bloodstream. >> to keep up with it to the point of nato our ambassador to the united nations who came from the bolton world threatened angela merkel and germany the other day publicly in several comments that we are going to withdraw our troops from germany and put them in poland where the president is going, as you know, very shortly and have the new best friends in poland, because they are better nato partners than germany, which is the cornerstone of the e.u. right now when our allies, the brits are getting out of the e.u. it is insane. plus, nato, he criticizes nato. nato is holding things together with us in afghanistan, the war he wants to pull u.s. troops out
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of. he does not realize where nato is playing a role. >> adrienne, your campaign four years ago you guys tried this and it didn't resonate. >> we did, and unfortunately people didn't care, it didn't seem like this was an issue that really matters. now we are seeing the repercussions of somebody who wants to get rid of nato, and cut off critical aid to countries. i'm not sure how much they understand the critical role that foreign aid play. so it's a way for him to say, hey, listen, your money doesn't need to go to foreign countries. but we are seeing the repercussions. >> he's turned nato for the right wing of the republican party into the u.n., right? the same fervor that ronald reagan used to gather to get people angry at the u.n., he's now turned nato into the u.n. >> nato originally was that. so we're recreating history. but i do think also trump with his current cabinet and acting secretaries and current white house staff looks different to a
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swing voter than trump with jim mattis and secretary of defense, but they had the sense that it was constraining on some important issues. and he was popping off and he has these rallies and tweets. but at the end of the day -- i think of in that kind of in that respect that it's spinning out of control hurts him more than -- no one can give a detail, i couldn't, analysis of what he's done wrong exactly. but people have the sense that it's a little crazy. >> competency. >> exhaustion and competency. >> the dual achilles hills of this man. adrienne, bill, and andrea, stick around. up ahead, the shifting conversation on guns and regulating guns. now top republicans are saying something needs to be done. will the white house cooperate and what are they going to cooperate doing? and later meet the press daily consumer alert. what you really need to know if you're thinking about buying greenland. i don't think amazon is bringing jobs. we'll be right back. tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor
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it's one of the most divisive issues in washington and across the country these days it's the issue of guns. now lawmakers are trying to figure out whether they can turn bipartisan calls for some sort of action into legislation. republican senator lindsay graham says he's spoken to the president about it. >> so we talked today about the red flag laws and the background checks. and i said the time has come to do more than pray. and we'll find hopefully some bipartisan space here. >> the house judiciary committee says it's coming back from its august recess a little bit early to talk about red flag laws, background checks and a proposed high capacity magazine ban. but after voicing support initially for background checks in the wake of the el paso and dayton attacks, at his first rally since those shootings, president trump appeared to be shifting his focus again. >> people have to remember,
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however, that there is a mental illness problem that has to be dealt with. it's not the gun that pulls the trigger. it's the person holding the gun. >> michigan congress woman joins me now. you've lived this gun issue in many different ways. so, your district goes from the southeast corner of the state, border there of toledo, to the suburbs of detroit. and it's had a complicated relationship on the gun issue. how difficult is it -- how diverse is your district when it comes to the gun issue? >> it's complicated like the rest of america, though. i have to say, i mean, what we call has clearly got a lot of
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nra members. and i can remember in 1994 when my husband john dingle supported the president on the gun bill, he had to have police protection for several months. and his own son who is a very active member of the nra wouldn't speak to him for a while. then i also have ann arbor, and they have very strong feelings in the opposite direction. though i will say i've come home after i've been open about some issues and how i feel, i have had women come up and thank me for the stands that i am taking downriver, and i've had men say to me it's okay. but i also have people that have been very strongly opposed to me as well. what's the most realistic scenario of something getting done this congress? i'll be honest with you. it does feel as if this is a piecemeal with these issues. you can see the political movement, but sometimes it takes
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policymakers a few tries to catch up with where the public is. what's realistic this september? >> and, you know, that's what does happen. people get frustrated, and i agree it's an imperfect system. but you can get things dope. 95% of the american people support background checks. i am going to try to believe and i'm never going to stop working for the fact that we need to get the bills that pass the house for background checks. we're going to see rallies across the country this sunday in all 50 states of people asking for that kind of action. and i think that our young people are probably the most powerful speakers that we can have. i think you're going to see both the house and senate talk about red flag bills. i have one in house with susan brooks and ted deutsch. that's just one. i'd like to think we're going to talk about it. we could potentially move it down the field. and the other we have a gun provision in the violence against women act that passed in the house, and amy klobuchar and
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i actually talked right before i came on this show both trying to figure out how do we move that provision. >> is there -- how much of this is really on the president and how much are you willing to sort of let him sort of dictate the terms? and i say this because it does appear to me that there's a good 20 to 25 republican senators that are willing to go farther on gun regulations than they've ever gone before. but they want the president's cover. >> so, i'm going to -- you know, one of the problems and why we never get gun legislation is because everybody goes to their corner and we don't talk about it, and we got to stop going to our corners, we got to lose our talking points and come to the table because no one can deny that we have a higher dead rathe by guns of any country in the world. so let's not go to our corners and do talking points. the president matters because, you know, the president has said he wants to look at red flag
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laws. he has said let's do background checks. we need him. so i'm looking at you and begging him, mr. president, please deliver on what you said you're going to do because we've got to stop seeing innocent children. look, kids are asking me if they're safe, why are they hated. a mother said to me i have to choose between the backpack my daughter wants and a bulletproof backpack. kids are going back to school. doing nothing should not and cannot be an option. >> when you hear the president say it's not the gun that kills, and he's sort of now talking about restoring mental institutions that this is a mental issue. what do you hear when you hear him say that? do you think he's backing away from what he wants to do, or is that his way of getting people to support a more complete background check system? >> well, i don't know. i'm not going to put myself in his shoes.
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this is a very complicated issue because as people who have watched me regular talk more about guns in the last few years, my father should not have had a gun. and it was because of some mental health issues. but the mental health advocates are very concerned that you not combine those two. and it does get complicated. how do you define who should have a gun and who shouldn't have a gun. if you're taking an antidepressant. we don't want to stigmatize people with mental health. we've got to make more treatment available. i don't know what's in his head. i'd like to be positive and think it means we got to do more thorough background checks and we've got to do red flag laws. our law enforcement needs a tool that if a family member is worried or someone in the community or teacher is worried that someone could harm themselves or the community they can take the gun away and protect due process. >> i want to ask about one other issue. it involves a colleague of yours
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congresswoman rashida tlaib. she just decide not to go visit her family in the west bank after israel barred her. they did give her a sort of qualified visa, humanitarian aid. it's my understanding she had to sign something if she would agree to accept it, and she didn't want to do that. your reaction, your response. do you wish you were going still? >> look, i've known rashida for 20 years and do we have different styles? yes. but i think our leader put out a second very strong statement today. >> i did read it. tell us about it. >> he was very clear that the israel government leaked a letter that they should not have and put conditions upon her. and i have not connected with her today. i have spent most of the day with her yesterday actually trying to do some real work for the congress. she was in tears at point.
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she wanted to go visit her grandmother. you know, even all of the jewish members of the congress, the leaders came up. chairman nadler, chairman lowey. they all came out yesterday. i think that this has become involved. it's become part of the re-election of the israel prime minister. and, you know, i want to say something because i feel this very strongly. i represent the largest population of muslims in the country. and i am very close to many members of the jewish community. we've got to stop pitting these two communities against each other. i am tired of it, we've got to stand up with it, and it's got to stop. >> nothing more needs to be said after that. congresswoman debbie din genk ll. congresswoman, you are always very passionate. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. >> thank you. up ahead, is bernie feeling the bern from elizabeth warren?
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it's like elizabeth warren. i did the pocahontas thing. i hit her really hard, and it
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looked like she was down and out. but that was too long ago. i should've waited. but don't worry, we will revive it. it can be revived. >> when it comes, like i said, i'd always love to play poker with president trump because he doesn't hide his nervousness. welcome back. president trump renewed his attacks on elizabeth warren this week including at his rally in new hampshire last night. but absent from his stump speech, no mention of bernie sanders. that could be one warning signs for the sanders' campaign. at least that means the president doesn't fear him anymore. joining me is john nichols. always has his finger on the pulse of the progressive wing of the democratic party. john always good to see you. elizabeth warren is having a moment. elizabeth warren, it is funny to watch all my pundit friends go, all right, this biden/warren showdown is coming. but there is another member of the progressive wing of this party, frankly, some would call
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it the current member of his activism. can they exist in the same primary and one of them still win this nomination? >> not all the way through probably. but they can exist for quite a long time. and that's the significant thing about this moment. when i just looked at the poll you had, and at some of the other recent polls, it's important to understand that there is about 20 or 25% of people who are saying they are with candidates other than biden, sanders, and warren. so, the thing to recognize here is that sanders and warren have a lot of territory where they can still pick up support and kind of establish a position before they have to worry about going after each other. now that doesn't mean that sanders doesn't worry about it. he should. but this thing is -- i don't think getting quite to the point where you're going to see
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sanders and warren going at each other. >> well, in fact they have this nonaggression pact. the concern that i've heard from some that it'll be the supporters that start this fight first and that will make it very uncomfortable for the campaign. and it'll actually create the tension will go from the ground up. >> chuck, have you been on twitter recently? >> actually, i don't these days. [ laughter ] >> the fact is it's already there. >> i know. >> you do see people pushing and pulling. and of course that is a reality. but here's where it gets interesting. warren and sanders had such a successful debate in that second round of debates. it worked very, very well for both of them. >> well, they teamed up, right. they were a tag team there. >> and the fact is that they both know, and i've been around their campaigns.
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they both know that if one of them is seen as going after the other, that's a bad thing. now, you are wise enough to point to where, you know, where this thing has to sort out. here i would suggest to you, chuck, is the genius of the iowa caucuses because when you get into those iowa caucuses, you come in and you sort of look around, you register you're with one candidate or another, and you see if you've got critical mass. and the fact is that the reality of warren and sanders makes iowa even more important than it ever has been. >> oh -- >> because to get to that threshold. >> no, i totally agree. and more importantly they're both neighboring new hampshire states. i think we both know where this is headed. it's sort of like, okay, whoever finishes second among those two in iowa suddenly if you don't win new hampshire now, you're done. do you buy into that? >> well, i think it's even more
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than that. not only do i buy into that. i think this is where iowa becomes such a big deal because iowa sends a message. okay, there's one candidate here who's got a real chance to get the nomination if somebody comes out clearly ahead in iowa. >> sure. >> and then that has a huge impact on new hampshire, and frankly going forward. there's one other element though i'd throw into the mix here. and this is worth noting. and that is among all of those other candidates, many of them have positioned as progressives. and as they don't get positions in the debates as they begin to fade as some of them will, there's a real competition where their supporters go. and finally if biden fades, remember, his supporters a lot of them, their second choice is bernie sanders. >> right. they're idealogically more progressive than they are. they're in the win-first mentality. and i believe that biden is that. and it gets to the second part of the question, which is ultimately do you believe that
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for warren and sanders, one of them has to successfully make an electability argument to ultimately become the progressive champion? >> not only do i believe that is the case, i believe that that's where this thing is going. i don't think you're going to see bernie sanders and elizabeth warren attacking each other. i do think that their strategy will come into play with heavy-duty message on electability who can win. i expect that you may see that rare ad. it doesn't happy very often in politics but the rare ad in the mail and tv that says here is a bunch of polling, here is a bunch of information that tells you this is the one who can do it. and i think that's actually how they go at each other on an electability argument. >> let's talk about bernie sanders. there is this perception among people that have run races against him including people that have worked for him. i have heard this a bunch of times whether they're sanders lovers or sanders sceptics and they say one thing you need to
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know about bernie sanders, he never quits. but another thing you need to understand is bernie never quits. he'll never get out of this thing. do you buy that argument that if bernie sanders if he -- do you really think he would somehow be the person that denied warren an opportunity to be the nominee? >> no, i don't. but i also agree with that point that he doesn't quit. so this is where it gets complicated. bernie sanders got into this thing back -- remember, in 2015 long ago when nobody else wanted to make a run or very few people did. and he got into it with an idea of really, you know, raising the progressive flag. it went better i think than he expected. and so not only did he raise the progressive flag, he became a very viable national contender himself. >> it's going to be hard for him to give it up, though.
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i created this. i made the room for you, elizabeth warren. and now i'm supposed to hand you the flag. that's going to be hard to hand, right? >> it's hard for anybody to do that in politics. but do understand i interviewed bernie sanders just the other day or was talking to him about a lot of political history and stuff of this nature. and the interesting thing about it is he is so hardwired into this idea of advancing the progressive cause of really -- >> the movement, yep. >> yeah, the movement matters. so i think if you got to that point of electability, my sense is that the movement would be very viable. but i really want to emphasize in this conversation be very careful about assuming that it's necessarily going to be sanders who has to make those tough choices. >> look, i'm with you. elizabeth warren -- that's right, and elizabeth warren in fairness, she hasn't had her time in the barrel as a candidate yet.
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in the pre-season she did. but not as a candidate. so we don't know what she's going to look like after that. >> well, they are both really -- i've seen them both in the last few days. they are both very on message. they're really at the peak of their game. and so, again, this is a situation where they can go for quite a while at the peak of their game without really pointing at each other. at some point, though, you're right. there has to be a sorting out if you're going to have a progressive nominee. john nichols, like i said, i don't think there's anybody better on the progressive politics of this country and understanding where it's headed tactically and then some than you. always good to have you, sir. up ahead, the diplomatic drama between israel and congresswoman rashida tlaib. could it have brought her implications? plus, why i'm obsessed with what's on president trump's wish list. apparently an entire country sort of. you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted.
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are you feeling any pressure to pivot over to running for the senate? >> i'm not. i mean, we're going to have some real good candidates in montana. i'll do everything i can to get them elected. >> how about you? how about you run for the senate in the red state where you're from. >> could we be better off and we'll have some good folks. having somebody at the top of the ticket that will help all those states go further and i think i can do that. >> that was governor steve bullock speaking exclusively to one of our nbc news embeds telling saying unequivocally again he will not be running for the u.s. senate. it was interesting how he answered that question about top of the ticket. our experts are back. let me start with the democratka, adrian.
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should there be pressure on bullock? do you look at this and say at what point do you think he should -- there's plenty of time. how far along should this go and should he get this pressure? should there be pressure on him to get out? >> he should get the pressure. if he doesn't make the third or fourth debate, it's time for him to get out. that goes for everybody else in the field, too. we cannot go into 2020 with two consecutive debate nights with 20 people on both stages. right? so look, montana is a state we might possibly be able to pick up but we can probably only pick it up in the senate if bullock is the democratic nominee. there's no backup plan. montana there's not. you look again steve bullock does not make the third debate stage, he's going to have look hard at his candidacy and determine what his path forward is. hopefully he'll drop out and run for the senate. >> i think the biggest pressure
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just came from john hickenlooper, the same boat as ball lock, no, no, no. all right, maybe. >> pretty successful governor of a state in colorado's case. >> sort of moving a little more blue. when eswon it, it was a very purple state. >> the look, actually i think the big story in the democratic race if you step back is the winnowing is happening. democratic primary voters don't seem entranced by candidates five through 20. >> we're not seeing iowa because this is a national campaign. >> someone couldn't surge. the big opening remains if joe biden falters for whatever reason. there's room for someone else to say hey, we need a moderate. that's why ball lock and everyone else are hanging around. if biden and warren hangs in there and there's room for one more younger challenger, the kind of generational. >> more youthful. >> that's what the field's going to be. it could be three by new hampshire though. >> it does feel that that winnow
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is happening. biden, the warren/sanders discussion, i think it's interesting, john nichols is more optimistic than i am that both of them can live as long as he thinks athletics live together? bernie sanders doesn't give up. i remember being in i believe it was ports smith, new hampshire when he was finally endorsing hillary and appear with her. >> the hillary people are still wonder when he's going to endorse. there's bitterness there. >> he acted as though he was competing on the stage rather than embracing her. >> ditto with the convention. >> bernie sanders is going to stay until the end because he's going to have money to stay till the end. >> i had one of the campaigns not named sanders or warren say we're not talking them till it looks like one of them catch fire by themselves because at this point, they cancel each other out. there's not enough, unless one drops out, there's not enough and they would rather focus on
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the other part. is that smart. >> yeah, the two of them at some point there's a theory maybe the two of them will self-destruct and both going against each other and cancel each other out. what i think is interesting is that elizabeth warren is bringing this whole coalition together that is slightly different from the sanders coalition of 2016, african-americans, younger people, obviously bernie sanders had some of the young millennials. she's bringing this coles more diverse and sustainable in the long run. bernie sanders was never able to do that in 20916 with one other candidate in the race. a fascinating dynamic. >> she has a better ground game. >> there's no doubt. >> huge ground game. >> a lot of theorizing. what will does an economic downturn do? is this good for biden, good for warren, i've heard it could help both warren and biden for a time. bill, where are you on this? >> i think it helps warren. i think the key question for me
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on warren is she reassuring to swing voters both within the democratic primaries and ultimately the general election or not, more like sanders. a lot of people voted for hillary and so forth or could she end up being acceptable to people whose first instinct is to go for normalcy and go for biden i don't know the answer. i think she's moved to be more acceptable. sanders could stay in in 2016 because it was he and hillary. he can stay in, no one's going to vote for him. >> he won't get 50% of the vote. he won't get delegates. >> the thing about warren, you're correct. warren has as economic message but it is broader than bernie's and more detailed. >> there's a competency threshold she can cross quicker. happy friday. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press" daily". if it's sunday it's "meet the
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press." we're going to look at the economy, 2020 race. my guest president trump's chief economic adviser larry kudlow and democratic presidential candidate candidate beto o'rourke as well as mark sanford. the beat starts right now. >> we have a lot to get to tonight. donald trump freaking out about a potential economic downturn. a key trump adviser agreeing to testify publicly about obstruction and later tonight we turn to a very important topic. scientists warning this july was the hottest ever on record. wow. well, bill nye the science guy is here later for a look at this very real climate crisis. so we have all of that, but bewe begin with new reporting donald trump is getting nervous after a week of warnings of economic turmoil. apparently worried without a strong economy he might have nothing else to run on in 2020. privately donald trump sounding anxious and apprehensive about the economy. now

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