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but if you keep panning there the person in the second row there, we believe, is also newly important to the story because that is state department veteran who was detailed to vice president pence's office. she surprisingly has just agreed to testify tomorrow. jennifer williams, one of two staff members from pence's office who was listening in on the july 25th call between the president -- president trump and the ukrainian president. her whole job at that point was to relay what happened on that call to vice president mike pence. she was on that call, she was in charge of ukraine issues for the vice president's office. she was in ukraine in the room when he demanded that ukraine wasn't going to get their military aid unless the administration coughed up what they wanted on corruption. and now that person, jennifer williams, says she will answer the impeachment committee's questions tomorrow. i know this is a lot. this is all nuts. tomorrow will be worse. that's going to do it for us for now. it's time for the "last word" with lawrence o'donnell.
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>> good evening, rachel. and you have to wonder about jennifer williams testifying. one reason to do it could be that what she believes she has to say would be helpful to mike pence. that's one possibility. >> sure. >> other possibilities include she just doesn't want to deal with the kind of legal fees that she might be incurring by trying to steer her way around testifying and running up billable hours with an expensive washington law firm. i think one of the most fascinating stories we're going to get, when, i don't know a year from now, whenever. this decision, a decision by people who got with these requests and these subpoenas, that decision of do we fight it, do we go to work, and why do we go and testify? >> and the white house clearly believed and mike pompeo and the state department clearly believed and that will be enough, and faced with you're not going versus a lawful congressional subpoena that you
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need to go, a lot of people particularly people who are not hyper-partisans who were just doing their job, are deciding this assertion from the white house is bull pucky, and ultimately that will be material in how the courts adjudicate whether not that instruction from the white house means anything in the face of a subpoena. watching david hale turn up today, colonel vindman, watching yovanovitch and now watching williams tomorrow, it's a fascinating cast. >> there's an interesting passage in taylor's deposition transcripts about exactly this, and it's one of those things that the republicans really -- i focused on the republican testimony, rachel, the republican question because there isn't any. it's like there's just nothing there. republicans don't release highlights of thedes because there are no republican highlights of thede depositions. one of the things that the republican committee council spent a great deal of time on
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was the question of a subpoena to ambassador taylor. and he clarified in there -- by the way, totally irrelevant, right? why use your time on that? but for our purposes right now, he clarified in there when ambassador taylor did get a subpoena, the state department did not say to him defy the subpoena. at that point the state department pulled back and said -- just sort of pulled away from that. but before they got the subpoena the state department goes hands-off. so that's one process that was revealed pretty clearly in that testimony. >> this is white house officials, dod officials, state department officials. tomorrow we're going to have somebody a state department veteran detail today the vice president's office for the first time. i mean, everybody has their equities here but ultimately everyone's going to have to answer to their conscience too. we have breaking news with
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the headline trump wanted barr to hold a news conference saying the president broke no laws in call with ukrainian leader. attorney general barr decided not to hold that press conference. also tonight, today was the first day of roger stone's trial where prosecutors from robert mueller's team accused roger stone of committing crimes to protect donald trump. we'll have more on both of those important stories later in this hour. but first tonight we are now one week away from the first public hearing in the impeachment investigation of president donald j. trump. the acting ambassador to ukraine, william taylor, will make history next wednesday as the first witness to testify publicly in what will become the fourth impeachment investigation of a president in american history. a transcript of ambassador taylor's deposition to the impeachment inquiry was released today. it shows ambassador taylor testified that he threatened to quit if president trump continued to with hold military
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aid to ukraine. ambassador taylor said that the trump position was that the president of ukraine would be granted a white house meeting with the president of the united states, and ukraine would receive military assistance mandated by congress only if ukraine helped the trump re-election campaign by investigating joe biden. chairman adam schiff pointed out that the trump administration fit the literal definition of quid pro quo. chairman schiff said if they didn't do this, the investigations, they weren't going to get that, the meeting and the military assistance. ambassador taylor, that was my clear understanding. security assistance money would not come until the president committed to pursue the investigation. schiff, so if they don't do this, they are not going to get it, that was your understanding? taylor, yes, sir. schiff, are you aware quid pro quo literally means this for that?
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taylor, i am. the congressman of new jersey asked who is responsible for setting all this into motion? was it mr. sondland, was it ambassador sondland? taylor, i don't think so. i think the origin to get president zelensky to say out loud he's going to investigate burisma in the 2016 election, i think the originator who came up with that is mr. giuliani, and he was representing whose interests? taylor, president trump. he tried to get a meeting with president trump to undue his blocking of aid ukraine but the secretary of defense, the cia director and the national security advisor were never granted that meeting. donald trump's resistance might not have been the only reason that that meeting was never scheduled. there's also the general hectic pace of activity within the white house. ambassador taylor suggested that one reason was another trump
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created distraction that was diverting white house attention from ukraine. taylor, i think this was also about the time of the greenland question, about purchasing greenland, which took up a lot of energy in the national security council. schiff -- okay, that's disturbing for a whole different reason. it was ambassador taylor's testimony that first provoked questions of possible perjury in the testimony of donald trump's ambassador to the european union, gordon sondland who testified before ambassador taylor and claimed that he didn't recall any discussions with the white house on withholding security assistance from ukraine. ambassador taylor quoted gordon sondland telling him exactly the opposite. gordon sondland was then forced to change his under oath testimony by adding a written statement that was attached to the end of his deposition that was released yesterday. in that written statement gordon sondland said that reading accounts of ambassador taylor's testimony and other witnesses testimony, public accounts of
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them had refreshed his memory. the william taylor deposition transcript like all the other deposition transcripts released before it show that the republicans have nothing, no defense of donald trump. the republican council to the oversight committee asked most of the republican questions and william taylor's deposition, and he spent most of his time asking about a 2-year-old politico article that ambassador taylor had never read. congressman jim jordan chimed in a couple of times, no more than two minutes at a time. there was nothing aggressive in jim jordan's questioning. it was not the jim jordan that you see on tv. it was not the jim jordan that we will see if he participates in the televised hearings where his mission will be to create as much of a distracting spectacle as possible. jim jordan asked about a phone call. and the thing he wanted to know was whether ambassador taylor placed the phone call or received the phone call. that was a phone call of members
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of the national security council. that was what jim jordan tried to accomplish. ambassador taylor said that he thinks he initiated the phone call, but he couldn't be absolutely sure. that was all jim jordan had. that's all he tried to do in that deposition was ask about who placed the call, who received the call. no republican in that room tried even the slightest attack on the ambassador taylor who's a west point graduate and served in every administration republican and democrat since ronald reagan's administration. republicans and democrats will not be fighting with ambassador taylor. his deposition transcript shows it's impossible for republicans to try to do that. but they will need to create a diversion in the hearing room to try to shift the attention from the devastating testimony about
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what donald trump and rudy giuliani and gordon sondland were doing with ukraine. so you can expect jim jordan if he's there will be yelling at democrats in that hearing. yelling about the procedures being followed by the impeachment inquiry and complaining that they are somehow unfair. republicans will be yelling, but the republicans will not be yelling at ambassador william taylor. they will be trying to distract from the power of his testimony as the impeachment process goes live on television for the first time. on wednesday of next week. leading off our discussion tonight democratic congressman gregory mamakes and mieke eoyang and an msnbc national security
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contributor. and congressman meeks you were in the deposition so none of this is news to you, but for us to finally see exactly what transpires in these depositions and i have to say for me, and correct me if i'm wrong about this, but the striking thing -- this is the republican, they've got william taylor and they did nothing. did i miss something? >> you didn't miss anything. what they saw and what the american people will see when they testify is a dedicated public servant who all he cares about is this country and because of his special connection to ukraine and the hope they will have a better tomorrow, he was committed. he was hesitant to even take this job, but it was because of his loyalty, he said a friend asked him, you know, who he respected. he said if your president calls
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you and you think you can make a difference, you've got to do it, and that's why he was there. and so none of us in the room had any clue of what he was going to testify to until he testified. o it's not like there was something -- we had no idea, but then listening to him, and you can see the shock on my face and i think democrats as well as the republicans. and that's why they had no real -- for an hour because it's equal amount of time in that room. democrats would have an hour to question, and republicans had an hour to question. they could not come up with anything subsitant, and i think they were scared because it was the whole thing if you ask a question and the way you come back, they would have been more confirming the outlook and the statement that was made by the whistle-blower in the first place. it was shocking, and i think
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that the american people to get to see his demeanor, to get to feel his character because one of the things republicans had been trying to do when these testimonies were finished to go in front of the camera to say something that might question the integrity of the person that testified. oh, wait until the american people see, and that's why i'm so glad we're going to have public hearings shortly. and that's why i'm so glad that the transcripts are being released because they speak for themselves. >> mieke eoyang, you've been in that room as a staffer for the intelligence committee. what stood out for you in the taylor transcript? >> you know, in the taylor crypt we'd seen his opening testimony before, so it was really interesting to see him recount the detail, to be very clear that sondland was so explicit about saying the president is conditioning the release of the
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aid in these meetings on this deal. you know, for all the republican denials of quid pro quo, what we see here is very clear that pressure is being brought to bear. and it's really important to understand the context on this and what was going on in ukraine. because it's not just a quid pro quo. it's not like they were trying to get to a contract on this. ukraine is suffering under a civil war with russian aggression where there are people literally dying, and donald trump is holding back the means they have to protect themselves. so when you think about this they are under threat of force or fear. they are not just trying to make a deal free and clear. this is extortion. this is where people are feeling under pressure to do something they don't want to do. >> jerry conley actually made that point. let's listen to what he had to say. >> we keep using this expression quid pro quo. the actual term for what occurred is extortion, and extortion is a crime.
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the president extorted the president of ukraine for political dirt in a prospective political opponent and dangled military aid in and presidential visit in exchange. that's called extortion. it's an abuse of power, and it's also illegal. >> ned price, you could study these transcripts all day and look for a republican angle on the evidence that somehow moves it in any way in donald trump's favor. and not only is there not one, there's not even an attempt at it, there isn't not one person, one republican member, not jim zwrorden, not the republican council, none of them attempt to actually move this witness's testimony in a way that is helpful to the president. >> you're never going to find one, lawrence, and that's precisely for the reason there is not one. i think we have seen in ambassador taylor's testimony
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and in alex vindman's testimony and ambassador yovanovitch's testimony, they have one by one obliterated and eviscerated the subsitant was defenses the white house and president trump's defenders have put forward, the idea this was about corruption generally and not about the bidens specifically. the idea you're needed to do its fair share, and we had to hold this back -- one by one all of those have fallen apart. that's why i think it's notable, lawrence, that we're now seeing president trump rely on one defense that is non-substantive but it's actually incredibly disturbing. and this is what he calls the perfect transcript defense. it's two words, very trumpian in sort of it becomes a catchphrase. but it is again not substantive and you know as well as i do president trump could be lying through his teeth when he tells his supporters and adoring crowds he believes it's a
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perfect transcript. but even the prospect, even the possibility that president trump actually buys into this explanation that nothing wrong, illegal, there was no betrayal on that transcript, that should be chilling for all of us because when you couple that with what mick mulvaney said in his infamous press conference when he said we do this kind of thing all the time, and when you marry that with what's been reported about donald trump using his personal cellphone, potentially even to call foreign counter parts away from transcribers, away from stenographers, away from aids, it paints the picture, at least the possibility of a picture where ukraine is one in a series of scandals, one in asaryies of attempted extortions on the part of the president. using the trappings of his office, using everything to include in the case of ukraine we know american taxpayer resources. i think it's incredibly dangerous that the president has put this forward, and it should be a frightening thought that
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this is actually in his mind perfect. >> congressman meeks, this was a unique experience today reading this particular transcript. because ambassador taylor's transcript is released on the same day we discover ambassador taylor is going to be the first public witness in the first televised hearing. and so as i'm reading it and i'm reading the emptiness of the republican part of the transcript, i'm thinking what are they going to do? these aren't the tv republicans that are in this transcript. this is not the tv jim jordan. what are they going to do, one week from now with this very same testimony, this very same witness? it occurred to me toward the end of it, they're going to attack gregory meeks, they're going to attack chairman schiff, they're going to attack what they're going to call your unfair, democratic process that has got us to this point. they will attack the fact that the deposition was private. they'll attack the fact the hearing was public. they'll just attack, attack,
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attack because i can't think of anything else they can do on tv for donald trump, to impress donald trump which is the audience of one they'll be playing to. >> they can't do anything. and it's the old saying, you know, if you have the facts on your side, you argue the facts. if you have the law on your side, you are the law. if you have neither, then you just throw up distractions. and they are going to be so compelled to be backed up. because when you look at what the president did, he did not care about the relationship with the united states and ukraine at all. the only focus he had was himself and to get dirt, abusing his power, extortion as indicated and putting our national security at risk because who benefitted from this and who was laughing was russia. and they had no way, no back door out of this, and that's why
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you see people like lindsey graham now saying i'm not even going to read the transcripts and try to make it as if it doesn't exist. well, you can run but you can't hide, and, you know, there's an old expression, who do you believe, me are your lying eyes, and that's what's going to take place. you're going to see -- the american people will be able to see mr. taylor, ambassador taylor speak. and you'll see and hear with your own eyes, and all they're going to try to see is don't believe them or come up with something they want to just make up out of the clear blue. they have no way out. the doors are closing in, and as you saw with sondland coming back to change his testimony, others will be stepping up to make their testimony because one of the things i've always said if you even go back to the nixon days, those that lie went to jail. and so people got to start thinking about their own interests. they know that the president's not going to stand up behind
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them, so you're going to see more of the truth coming out as to what the president has done and how he continues to do it. >> one of the front row witnesses to history in this impeachment inquiry, thank you very much for coming in and joining us tonight. mieke eoyang is going to stay with us for more. when we come back gordon sondland who apparently brought hismer ambassadorship took a stunning step yesterday that congressman meeks just referred to when he changed his testimony in the deposition after the fact by adding some written material to it. does that save him from possible perjury charges? is it that easy? we will ask a former federal prosecutor next. we will ask a former federal prosecutor next. ♪ we would walk on the sidewalk ♪ ♪ all around the wind blows ♪ we would only hold on to let go ♪
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is gordon sondland in danger of perjury charges for his testimony to your committee? >> i think he is. >> that was congressman peter welch after ambassador william taylor testified. gordon sondland obviously considered himself in so much danger of mergeperjury charges changed his testimony after news reports of other witness testimony according to sondland, quote, refreshed my recollection about conversations involving the suspension of u.s. aid. but today another witness to the
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impeachment inquiry says that gordon sondland still isn't telling the truth about conversations he said he had over coffee with fiona hill, a former top russia advisor of the national security council. fiona's lawyer said in a tweet today, quote, dr. hill told sondland what she told lawmakers, the lack of coordination on ukraine was disastrous and the circumstances of the dismissal of ambassador yovanovitch, shameful. joining our discussion now is barbara mcquade, a former u.s. attorney and an msnbc legal contributor and mieke eoyang is back with us. and barbara, is it that easy ini testify under oath falsely as another witness comes in somedays after i do and testifies very credibly in an opposite fashion indicating i wasn't telling the truth either
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willful or not, is it that easy for me to avoid perjury charges i just go in and i say here, i'd like to just tag these written pages on that correct all the things that aren't true in my deposition? >> the answer is maybe. you know, this is a somewhat unusual circumstance. ordinarily wurjry is when you testify falsely under oath, when you then and there know what you're saying is false and it's about a material matter. there is a defense if you recant, but the law says you have to recant in the same proceeding, and you have to recant before it became obvious that your lie would otherwise be exposed. and so i think in this instance gordon sondland had some problems. one is that the same proceeding if it happens more than two weeks later, and even more importantly i think is it seems quite clear from the other pieces of transcripts that we've seen so far that the reason that he recanted wasn't that he had a change of heart or he wanted to fulfill his duty to provide
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truthful information to the committee but his lie was going to be exposed because it contradicted the testimony of other witnesses. >> and mieke, you've been depositions like this before, situations like this before. how does the committee regard that? in courtrooms, as, ruwas saying, they're view of it is you can correct that testimony while you're still on the witness stand but don't try to come back to us after the fact like this. how does the committee regard that? >> yeah, traditionally congress doesn't take a very favorable view of these things but their remedies for punishing it have been somewhat limited. we've seen this for example of past dni who was mistaken about testimony and then we went back to the office and much later tried to correct it. i think there were senators who felt like that testimony was a lie when it was about a surveillance program. i think the question for sondland is whether or not people consider this material or
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given the pace that the house is on, are they going to stop and actually seek punishment of sondland now are are they moving forward with charges against the president given how the calendar is working out this year? it may be that sondland will get a breather on this for a while, and there's some question about when they'll come back to it. >> barbara, what do you make of the preparation that sondland and his criminal lawyers went through for his testimony? this could have been avoided. his lawyers could have gotten the full story from him and said, look, do not try to shave off this corner of the testimony here, just get it straight. >> yeah, i think that -- i don't know what his lawyers advised him, but whatever it was, he either disregarder their good advice or got bad advice. he claimed not to recall certain things, and, you know, in our common knowledge there are things people don't recall. i probably can't recall right now what i had for breakfast,
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but it seems certain that people would recall whether they participated in negotiations to with hold $400 million in military aid in exchange for a political investigation with a head of state. that is such a significant thing that it just really strains believability to think that's something that would have slipped someone's mind. and only after other witnesses come forward with that information to suddenly recall that that's true. in fact, i worry that providing this information after the fact might just make it look even worse for gordon sondland to say i suddenly recall, now i remember that these other people have brought it up, now i remember. sometimes it's a good idea to correct the record, and it seems like he believed his hand was really forced here, that he had no other choice but to admit he knew these facts in light of the other transcripts being produced. >> and this, by the way, is obviously why the depositions were private, so witnesses could
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not coordinate their testimony by getting full reporting of what the other witnesses have said, a practice congress has moved many times before. thank you both for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. and when we come back, "the washington post" is reporting tonight the breaking news that president trump didn't just ask the president of ukraine for a favor, he asked attorney general william barr for a big favor about ukraine. that's next. big favor about ukraine. that's next.
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we have breaking news tonight from "the washington post." according to "the washington post," donald trump wanted attorney general william barr to hold a press conference
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declaring that president trump had broken no laws in his phone call with the president of ukraine. william barr didn't do it, and "the washington post" reports that donald trump has privately complained that, quote, he wished barr would have held the news conference. joining us now is matt miller, former spokesperson for the attorney general eric holder and an msnbc contributor. matt, not surprising, it's one of those trump stories where it is both shocking and not surprising of course, of course. he asked william barr to hold a press conference when the transcript of the phone call with the president of ukraine came out and have him simply absolve donald trump of any wrongdoing. >> that's exactly wright, lawrence, it is a completely inappropriate thing for a president to ask an attorney general to do. but you could see why trump would do it and actually follow through and grant that request
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given that this is basically what barr did around the release of the mueller report, where he held a press conference despite the underlying evidence of the report finding no such things. he talked to the president about that report, obliterating the line that's supposed to exist between the department and white house, and you can understand why the president would think, well, look, this is just the kind of favor bill barr regularly does for me, so i'm going to ask and i expect that he'll do it. and i think the fact he said no, that bill barr has been so willing to kind of sacrifice his own reputation for trump in the past, that he wouldn't do it here shows just how big a lift this would have been. barr, i think was more than willing to intervene on the president's behalf on the ukraine scandal when it was private. he skquelched a full inquiry ino
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this. i think they were happy to do it while it was private, but the minute it became public seems a little like john bolton where someone very smart, very seasoned says i don't want any part of this drug deal. >> and matt, is it possible that bill barr already knew that the southern district of new york was investigating the activities of rudy giuliani and his friends and associates involving ukraine, and this could just be an area that gets out of control? >> i think so. they said they were briefed -- he was briefed to some extent. we don't know to what extent about those investigations. and there is something underlying at the department that we don't know yet. there's a reason why they've put out three statements distancing themselves from the ukraine scandal. i don't know why but there's something they're worried about us finding out.
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>> thank you for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and when we come back william barr at his confirmation hearing senator amy klobuchar asked him if the attorney general is the president's lawyer or the peoples lawyer. we'll see that answer and senator klobuchar will join us next. and senator klobuchar will join us next make fitness routine with pure protein. high protein. low sugar. tastes great! high protein. low sugar. so good! high protein. low sugar. mmmm, birthday cake! pure protein. the best combination for every fitness routine.
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us tonight, senator. where are you tonight? is this new hampshire? >> thanks, lawrence. i am in manchester. >> there you are. >> i am in new hampshire in manchester, yes. but i was thinking of those words. i kind of hit the nail on the head there with that question. >> so you anticipated where we are tonight, and "the washington post" reporting, their headline that trump wanted barr to hold a news conference saying that the president broke no laws in the call with the president of ukraine. and at least apparently william barr has found a favor that he will not do for donald trump. >> that's correct. it doesn't surprise me given how outrageous this is, given how the evidence is mounting. but remember, there's a reason that the president thought that barr would give in to his request, and that is that literally when barr applied for this job he put out a 19-page memo to all of trump's friend showing how he believed in a
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broad concept of executive power and we've seen a number of actions as mr. mueller pointed out since that time. but i think what happened here for anyone is that enough is enough. and when you look at the evidence that comes out from the diplomats, seasoned diplomats who are not affiliated with political parties -- >> i think we just lost senator klobuchar in new hampshire. control room, what do we know about it? someone tell me what's going on up there? can we hang up or i guess we're going to have to go to commercial, see if we can restore this connection to new hampshire or if i can just keep talking until we restore this connection to new hampshire. and we're going to go to a break. tion to new hampshire. and we're going to go to a break. um. you don't know my name, do you?
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house intelligence committee, the same committee now leading the impeachment inquiry. prosecutors argued that roger stone lied to congress, quote, because the truth looked bad for the trump campaign, and the truth looked bad for donald trump. prosecutors say hundreds of text messages, calls and e-mails show roger stone repeatedly tried to contact the founder of wikileaks and that he discussed those efforts with senior members of the trump campaign. joining us now is nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian who was one of the lucky ones in the courtroom today. ken, it was really -- rachel, read much of the transcript including just the very beginning of it prosecutor's opening statement, and it seemed like a very dramatic presentation in that courtroom today. >> it was, lawrence. in some ways i felt i was listening to the unwritten final chapter of the mueller report because here you had this
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prosecutor, aaron zelensky who worked for robert mueller and was part of that investigation. and it almost seemed he'd been waiting for months to get on that public record that roger stone called donald trump on the very same day that they'd been hacked by the russians and their e-mails had been compromised. and zelinsky noted they were not listening to the phone callst the moment so they don't know what donald trump said. but they're implicating trump was in on those conversations what to do with the e-mails because right after that phone call he was trying to find out what wikileaks had and how stone could use that information to benefit the trump campaign and hurt hillary clinton. he went to his pal jerome corsi and there were months and months of back and forth and there were other phone calls with donald trump, and tone also reached out
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to manafort, the chairman of the campaign, and he sent an e-mail to steve bannon where he said, look, we can salvage this candidacy. at that point people thought trump was doomed, but it ain't going to be pretty. so bannon is actually going to be a witness, he's going to be called by the prosecution in this trial. the bottom line is this trial and evidence is making clear senior levels of the trump campaign and perhaps trump himself were keenly interested in trying to obtain these hacked e-mails. so there are parallels to thim peachme impeachment inquiry playing out today. >> and there is a linchpin of collusion in here if the government proves its case. >> yeah, and it really to me raises a couple of questions. one is why didn't robert mueller try harder to interview donald
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trump? because trump told mueller in those written answers that he didn't remember ever talking to roger stone in the six months before the election. and stone told "the washington post" that he'd talked to trump quite frequently but he never discussed wikileaks and the e-mails. which is incredibly hard to believe given the amount that t, his enlistment of jerome corsi and other things that he did, would be embarrassing and bad for donald trump. and so he lied to congress according to prosecutors and now he's on trial and he's looking at several years in prison if convicted. >> it is going to be fascinating to see what the defense has in this case. and you will come back to us with that when they start presenting it. ken dilanian, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it.
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>> thanks, lawrence. you bet. >> and when we come back, we will go back to presidential candidate senator amy klobuchar in new hampshire. we will establish a connection one way or the other. and we'll talk about what kentucky voters did last night when they turned on donald trump. >> if you lose, they're going to say trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. this was the greatest. you can't let that happen to me! t slow turkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting. chantix reduces the urge so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood,
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voters in kentucky sent a message loud and clear for everyone to hear that what unites us as kentuckians is still stronger than any national divisions. >> this is a country of democracy. and that the president is not king. and our citizens last night made their voices known loud and clear. >> and now we are joined by phone by presidential candidate senator amy klobuchar who's in manchester, new hampshire tonight. senator, we're going back to 20th century communication levels here to make -- >> or we'll pretend we're in a major snowstorm. >> to even make sure this works. i want to get your reaction to what you saw in kentucky last night. that was a flip of clearly trump
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voters had to flip to vote for the democrat for governor. >> they did. and that is exactly what i've been talking about nationally, lawrence. and that is that if we want to win and win big so that we can take back the senate and actually get all of these things done from climate change legislation to finally doing something about pharmaceuticals and health care we've got to bring people with us and not shut them out. and that is exactly what happened in kentucky. a lot of this had to do with mean-spirited policy. and i hope some of our republican colleagues are doing some soul searching when they think about the fact that the affordable care act is now ten points more popular than the president of the united states. and so people voted for their health care but they also voted all over the country including virginia for a values check, for a check on patriotism on this president. and that's what i heard in new hampshire today.
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>> when you look at the governor's campaign there it was a campaign against what matt bevin did. so in presidential terms it would be the equivalent of campaigning against what donald trump has done, what he has tried to do, what he has wanted to do. and i think in the democratic campaigns so far when we've seen the debates with candidates kind of debating, arguing with each oth other, it isn't so clear the real argument is against what donald trump has done. >> that's why on that debate stage i repeatedly have take ten to donald trump because we have to remember that it's not just democrats watching those debates. as important as that is. there's also independents and moderate republicans and people that are showing up everywhere that want to see something different. and so we really can't screw this up. i think it is on us. it is our obligation to lead a
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ticket that doesn't just win at the top but brings people with us including legislative races like we saw in virginia and governor's races like you just saw in kentucky. and most importantly, it will allow a new president herself to govern in a big way and get things done. and that's why i want to be the president for not half of america but all of america. >> you and the other senators running for president have a unique challenge possibly coming up in your campaign scheduling. normally a senator simply has to figure out how to manage attendance at senate votes as well as being out in iowa, new hampshire and other places. you may have to be a juror in an impeachment trial. have you begun to think about what that does to your presidential campaign schedule? >> of course. but my big job here is to do my duty and that duty will be an
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impeachment trial if that comes over to the u.s. senate. but that doesn't mean i can't do two things at once. i don't need a lot of -- i've got endorsements all over the country and people that are willing to go out there for me including of course in my own family and that's going to be really important. in iowa actually, lawrence, i have more endorsements of elected and former electeds than any other candidate in the race. and we just made today the december debate, i did, and already had made the november debates quite a while ago. so i'm just going to keep moving. but that doesn't in any way mean that i don't have a duty to do my job. and that is -- if that case comes over from the house of representatives, we have a solemn obligation to hear that evidence and make a decision. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you very much for joining us tonight. next time we're going to make sure we get a camera system that works for you in new hampshire
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or wherever you are. >> lawrence, you have a great crew here working hard. >> i know. and they did everything they possibly could and it's just one of those nights that that happened. >> i can't help we're in the middle of a big blizzard. >> there you go. amy klobuchar gets tonight's last word. thank you very much for joining us, senator. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight the new report that the president wants his attorney general to say he's innocent as yet more damning testimony in the impeachment inquiry is made public. in exactly one week the testimony will be televised. also, the biggest case out of the mueller report. the criminal trial of roger stone begins. prosecutors promise at least one high-profile witness. after last night's gop setbacks, attention turns to the suburbs as a former trump insider eyes a run for his old senate seat in the south. and it could