tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 14, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
marie yovanovitch's testify. i'm be anchoring alongside nicolle wallace starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern. and "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery. >> the speaker suggests a bribery charge for the president. >> quid pro quo, bribery. >> as still more evidence of that bribery is reported. >> i know-nothing about that. first time i've heard it. >> plus ahead of tomorrow's hearing, new reporting that the president discussed ukraine policy with rudy's indicted friend. then as impeachment proceeds over ukraine, new alarms about potential trump corruption with turkey. >> i have a major, major building in istanbul. it's called trump towers. and the growing calls for steven miller's resignation in the wake of a white nationalism fire storm. >> i'm going to say i am
shocked. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. damning evidence of both the president's direct involvement and his intent to extort ukraine was presented yesterday to the nation. nearly 14 million people watched acting ambassador ukraine bill taylor and deputy assistant secretary of state george kent testify before the house intelligence committee. taylor described how trump's eu ambassador gordon sondland spelled out that president trump made it clear ukraine would not get military assistance unless their president announced publicly investigations into the bidens. he also revealed an amazing new detail. we knew about president trump's infamous phone call with ukraine's president july 25th when trump said i would like you to do us a favor though and brought up joe biden and his son saying, quote, a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do. bill taylor testified that the very next day gordon sondland met with an important ukrainian
official and this is what happened next. >> last friday, a member of my staff told me of events that occurred on july 26th. while ambassador volker and i visited the front, a member of my staff accompanied ambassador sondland, ambassador sondland met with mr. yermac. following that meeting ambassador sondland called president trump and told him of his meetings in kiev. a member of my staff could hear ambassador sondland on the phone with president trump asking about the investigations. ambassador sondland said the crew y ukrainians were ready move forward. ambassador sondland responded that president trump cares more about the investigations of biden, which giuliani was pressing for. >> now the associated press reports a second embassy staffer
over heard that cellphone call between trump and sondland discussing the need for ukraine to conduct investigations. meanwhile though that first staffer, the one bill taylor mention said has been identified and is going to be deposed tomorrow in a closed door hearing before the investigating house committees. just goes to show we may sometimes reach a point where we think we know everything about the extent of this corrupt scheme, but we don't. bill taylor's original closed door testimony was released to the public last week, but we just learned these details now because until a few days ago even taylor didn't know. and this new testimony is rather significant because there has been a certain republican defense of the president that is basically as follows. his brain is too addled to competently form intent and therefore execute criminal activities. just last week staunch trump defender lindsey graham called the trump policy towards ukraine incoherent adding, quote, they
seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo. it's not a totally outlandish defense if you've ever witness the president, say, speak in public. but this new testimony is a damning example of the fact not only did president trump attempt to extort the ukrainians president on the phone, he then had his henchman, the guy who reports directly to him, can ring him up and was a direct line with the president go to close the deal the very next day. that is not someone in the midst of a passing fancy. that is someone laser focused on the project of extorting a foreign government and using his position as the president of the united states for the sole purpose of boosting his re-election chances through coercive foreign meddling. democrats seized on that new testimony today by introducing a new word into their impeachment lexicon, the word bribery. >> the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery uncovered in the inquiry and that the president abused power
and violated his oath by threatening to withhold military aid in a white house meeting in exchange for an investigation into his political rival. a clear attempt of the president to give himself an advantage in the 2020 election. what the president has admitted to and said it's perfect, it's perfectly wrong. it's bribery. >> the significance of that word bribery is one of only two specified listed in the constitution for impeaching the president. and we're only getting started. "the washington post" reports the office of budget management official is about to become the first omb official to testify in the impeachment inquiry this weekend. the om bub testified it was the agency -- tomorrow we'll hear from former ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch.
and there's every reason to expect we'll hear testimony about the scheme to remove her from her post. congresswoman val demings of florida. the speaker used the word bribery today. do you think that's an accurate characterization of what the president and his associates did? >> well, it's great to be with you. as a former law enforcement officer i think the word bribery is quite appropriate because basically if we look at the read out that was released by the white house, the president during the call with president zelensky, when president zelensky said i'm just about ready to purchase more javelins to defend themselves, president trump said but i need you to do me a favor, though. and then went into investigations -- basically i'll release the $400 million for you
to purchase those javelins if you investigate the bidens. so, yeah, i believe that the word bribery is clearly appropriate when you look at the wrongdoing by the president. >> what do you feel like you learned yesterday that you didn't know, and what are you hoping to find out tomorrow? >> well, you know, i just think that ambassador taylor as well as mr. kent were just two phenomenal witnesses. they are both career foreign service officers who have dedicated decades to our country just quietly staying under the radar doing their job. and they came in yesterday and gave the american people information that we already had. but you've already indicated the revelation of yesterday was the information given by ambassador taylor where one of his aides overheard a conversation between ambassador sondland and
president trump where president trump yet again asked about investigations, and then the information that we've been told is that after the call the aide asked ambassador sondland what did the president think of ukraine. and the president then said i think he cares more about investigating the bidens than ukraine. so that was new information yesterday. we're looking forward to hearing from ambassador yovanovitch on tomorrow. >> so gordon sondland is scheduled to appear next week. he is someone who came before the oversight committees, investigating committees in a deposition. he then amended an addendum clar feeing some of that testimony. my understanding is that this phone call does not appear in his original testimony. it seems like he's the one person here who's had a lot of direct interactions with the president and may have quite a bit to answer for next week. is that how you see it? >> well, absolutely. i mean, you know, when ambassador sondland came in he
didn't recall quite a bit. but then came back and modified his testimony, and we are glad that he did that. this new information, you're absolutely right, it was notten in his original statement. we expect him on next week to tell us what he knows about that call and what the president said. he'll have yet another opportunity to give a thoroughly and complete testimony. and that's what we expect him to do. >> all right congresswoman val demings, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> joining me now for more on what we've learned so far on the impeachment hearings republican tom reed from new york. i saw an earlier rt interview you gave to chuck todd where you didn't think this was so far from what you've heard of the level of impeachable behavior. i'm curious what you view the standard as the constitution sets out for you as being high crimes and treason and
misdemeanor. >> crimes that are subject to the penalty of death is essentially what the constitution is to me indicating with impeachment. and this whole claim of bribery, the american people aren't stupid, chris. this is not going to sustain the review of the american people, and they're the ultimate ones who are going to judge this because i don't see this becoming an impeachable subject to the removal of the president. >> bribery, treason or other high crimes and misdemeanors, a category which has been used for all other impeachments. like you think nixon should have been impeached, right? >> i recognize it. we're talk about a burglary charge there directed by the president. pretty clear where that was going to go and the president resigned. you should learn a lesson of impeachment in the sense of how many times has this been utilized and we should learn from the clinton proceedings and i didn't support the clinton impeachment. impeachment is a very historic
action and the american people are looking at this in my humble opinion, and some have already made up their minds. you clearly have made up a conclusion, but at the end of the day this is about trusting the people, and i think it's going to be turned over to the election at the end of the day. >> there was a movement back which clinton was impeached. and the idea behind that was the president should be censured. but it didn't rise to high crimes and misdemeanors. and the argument there was, look, the president has clearly done something wrong here. we do not approval of his behavior. we don't think he should have had this sexual relationship with a white house intern, but it's not high crimes and misdemeanors. i'm curious are you willing to say what the president's conduct here on the call, on this rogue foreign policy and attempting to pressure ukraine into manufacturing dirt or digging up dirt on his political opponent, that was not cool, that was not good even if it's impeachable. >> how i view the evidence, me
personally is he was raising the issue of corruption with the sitting vice president joe biden. that's a legitimate exercise of executive discretion using taxpayer dollars in a way that doesn't go to corrupt country -- >> let me ask you a question. how many times does he say corruption in that call? >> you're asking where do i see corruption and i don't see that here. >> how many times did president trump use the word corruption in talking about corruption on the phone call? >> when you're looking at the issue of joe biden and his son hunter biden get a $50,000 a month salary for a job he clearly has no qualifications for, i think that in itself raises a question of something that needs to be investigated. >> what's the factual predicate of that investigation? >> when you look at the vice president he verbally said on tape they're going to with hold financial aid to ukraine so long as the investigations of his son's company does not occur -- >> that's not what he said.
i want to be clear about this. do you know of that prosecutor? >> that's the prosecutor inside of the ukraine. >> yeah, do yowl know his name? >> yeah, the name is escaping me right now, chris. >> his name is victor shulkin, he was widely viewed by the u.s. and eu as essentially covering up for corruption and failing to investigate -- >> never been investigated, chris. never been investigated by any investigator. >> wait a second -- >> news reporters have reached this conclusion. news reporters are not investigators, and i will tell you right here and now you have an obligation as the president of the united states in order to make sure taxpayer dollars do not go to a corrupt organization or corrupt country. >> why didn't he say corruption, and second of all, do you think it is plausible -- you talk about the american people. do you think it's a plausible story that donald trump, a man who nearly awarded himself a
government contract, in egypt where cici is notoriously corrupt and all of a sudden this man, donald trump gets real laser focused and worked up about corruption in one particular instance in one particular conthry that just happens to pertain to the man going to run for president against him. is that a plausible story in your mind? >> it is a plausible story in my mind, and i think the american people are going to see right through this. at the end of the day this is about politics, short, simple, sweet. and when you're talking about overturning the election of the people of the united states, you better go at this in regards to smoking gun evidence to remove a duly elected president. you're tearing apart the structure of america with this attack that you all have concluded is a done deal. >> one more second, though, because i get that argument and i agree with you. impeachment is very serious, and i totally agree with that. it just seems that argument proves too much because if the
idea is you're overturning an election, it is therefore a reason, right? we agree that it should be there, that it should be used in extreme circumstances. you're saying this isn't extreme enough, but it just seems to me a little bit of a disingenuous argument whereby definition that must be the case for any impeachment. >> i agree with you. in those extreme cases -- that's why in the history our nation this has never been done in regards to taking a president after a duly held election out of office. that is something that's never been done. never been done in therac histo of our nation. this is about taking out the president of the united states, and we should leave this up to the american people. >> all right congressman tom reed, thank you for making time tonight. joining me now for perspective
from the senate kirsten gillibrand of new york. t you're likely to get this as a trial. how do things look from your house? >> i expect mitch mcconnell should take this seriously. it's part of our constitutional duty and obligation to receive the facts that have been martial marshalled by the house investigation, and the senate essentially are jurors as we hear the evidence and make a decision. >> so what do you think about the idea that senators shouldn't weigh in on this because of your juror status? i've seen sort of differing views on this. obviously you have colleagues who say, look, i'm watching this like anyone else and forming my conclusions. particularly republicans in sort of tough spots who say we shouldn't weigh in. how do you view your duty going into this? >> so as a senator i'm going to hear testimony, i'm going to watch some hearings, i'm going to read the paper. and i do have deep concerns that
these are allegations that the president solicited a bribe from a foreign leader with the intention of harming a political opponent. that is deeply concerning. it looks like bribery to me. and it's something that causes grave concern for me and certainly my constituents in new york. so my job is to listen intently. if the house decides to indeed hold a vote for impeachment and impeaches the president, it then comes to us and we get to hear the testimony and evidence that the house has put together. we then decide whether or not to convict. that's a very different standard to being informed and knowing what's happening and having grave concerns, which is what i have now. so i think each senator will look at this issue uniquely and may inform themselves over time, but for me i'm very concerned about the allegations to date and the corroborating evidence i'm heard this week. >> there's been some reporting, i saw elizabeth warren talking
about this today, some reporting mcconnell is going to sort of use a prolonged senate trial as a way of throwing a monkey wrench into the democratic presidential primary. you have some familiarity with this. you were running previously in that position. you know what it's like to be on the campaign trail and split those with your senatorial duties. what do you think about the notion having been out there on the campaign trail of your fellow senators having to sit through six weeks in washington at this key moment in that primary race? >> you know, i think any senator running for president, and know them all very well, will take their constitutional duty very seriously. most of the candidates have been campaigning in iowa for nine months, and so they've had a long time to introduce themselves to tell people why they're running, why they care, and why this election is so important. and whatever the time that is allocated for these hearings and for this trial, i know they will
take the responsibility very seriously. and i certainly hope mitch mcconnell takes his responsibility very seriously. >> the senate legislative calendar hasn't actually been packed. there's no action on prescription drugs, no action on gun safety the day two people were killed -- another school shooting. >> a california school shooting. basically mitch mcconnell teased up resolutions and confirmed federal society judges. what is it like to be in the senate right now? >> so it's frustrating because senator mcconnell really is only moving forward judges and only things that have been pre-approved by president trump. and the biggest concern i have about the republican party rights now is that they're abdicating their authority to their jobs and provide for the people of their states. there's so much bipartisan work being done by individual senators behind the scenes,
legislation that could pass if we simply had a vote on it, but mitch mcconnell is unwilling to bring any of that to the floor. so i am concerned that the republican party unfortunately is complicit with this president and prefers being in power than doing their absolute duty under the constitution to hold a president who's had such severe allegations against him accountable. >> right, senator kirsten gillibrand of the great state of new york, thank you very much. next is the president engaging in a separate corrupt abuse of power? new reporting on what the president is up to in turkey in two minutes. the president is up to in turkey in two minutes. [ applause ] it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. and now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ]
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erdogan who trump has bent over backwards to please for reasons that are really quite unclear. although john bolton, trump's own former national security advisor suspects and has said in a meeting that the president's policy towards turkey is motivated by trump's own personal or business relationships. think about that. we do have some clues, other ones as to what might be going on. "the new york times" had a front page story laying out trump's, quote unusual back channel to turkey, a trio of sons in law. s who's literally doing business with the trump organization at the same time he's acting as an advocate for erdogan's government with the trump administration. remember trump has gone to great lengths to aid erdogan even when almost no one believed it was a good idea. that prompted great anger even
among pro-trump republicans. so yesterday trump divided five gop senators who have been critical of erdogan to meet with the turkish strong man at the white house. it didn't go well. according to axios he pulled out his ipad and made the group watch a propaganda video. when it wrapped up trump reportedly asked erdogan, well do you want me to get the kurds to make one about what you've done? recently met with kurdish leaders with a bipartisan congressional delegation, and the cosponsor of a new resolution to support and recognize allies in the fight against isis. let me ask you your reaction to erdogan not only getting the white house visit but using that opportunity to play an anti-kurdish propaganda video off his ipad in the white house itself. >> yeah, you know, i thought it was a little soon to be inviting
the president of turkey given all of the stress and all the back and forth that's been going on over northern syria. usually we reserve white house visits when the relationship is going in a really positive direction. that said, he came frankly when i was in turkey with this congressional delegation about a week and a half ago now, we were shown the same video or at least a similar video. so i'm familiar with it. and, you know, i think the truth is nato -- turkey is nato ally. we want the relationship to bend and not break. we have a lot of bending going on, and we had some tough conversations when we were in turkey and i think they have some big, big questions to answer for. most importantly for me right now is what's their plan in northern sear you, and number two what are they going to do with the s400 and they bought weapons in contradiction -- >> it was the purchase of the
f-400 that originally prompted the first round of discussion for sanctions. and one of the people who helped talk trump out of those sanctions was a son-in-law of a business partner who had a conference ins r in washington, d.c., got to come to the white house and make his argument in person. are you confident they're putting the national interests above his own personal interests? >> yeah, i have no special knowledge. and just know as someone who worked at the cia and pentagon you want things to go through formal channels. and when things go through formal channels, they get vetted. that's the most important thing the formal channel does is it helps make sure whatever we're offering, whatever we're dealing with has gone through some level of review. it's not shot from the hip, got some legal channels, whatever it is. and whenever there's these alternative channels, it makes me nervous nothing is being vetted. and we know that the president does like to shoot from the hip. so i don't like it.
i have no special knowledge in this case, it certainly doesn't feel right for anyone who knows how consequential those issues are in turkey. >> you were one of the freshman women members of congress who wrote in the op-ed when the whistle-blower was surfacing. giveb everything that's come to light how do you feel about your decision to do that? was that the right call? >> well, listen, it was an important thing for me to do at that moment because i think the ukraine situation felt very, very different. but i've always said from the beginning it's important this process bring the country along with it, that we had to have public hearings so people could hear directly from the people involved. and obviously now that has started, and that is a good thing. honesty, i'm not going to be able to make an assessment hour-to-hour, day by day to each new piece of information. what i committed to my district who have various different views on impeachment and impeachment
inquiry is that i'm going to stand back, i'm going to wait to see the body of information provided at the end of this process. i'm a trained cia officer. we look at the whole context, the final report and make an objective decision. and that's what i owe my constituents, and that's what i'm going to do. >> thank you so much for making time tonight. still to come, we're hours away from the second day of impeachment hearings. there's late reporting on rudy giuliani's indicted pals. the adventures of lev, igor and rudy next. ntures of lev, igor a rudy next. (contemplative synth music)
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that same smear campaign encompasses the very crime for which rudy giuliani's accomplices have been indicted because the conspiracy involved parnas and fruman making illegal campaign donations to republican congressmen who then turned around and urged secretary of state pompeo to remove yovanovitch. keep in mind the president doesn't claim he doesn't know who parnas and fruman really are. thy takes pictures with all kinds of people. but john douds's lawyer said, quote, be advised they assisted mr. giuliani in connection with his reputatiresentation of pres trump. now comes the news parnas and fruman were discussing ukraine with trump as far back as 2018 over dinner. quote, an intimate affair for a handful of big donors in the
exclusive suite known as trump's townhouse at trump hotel. told trump at the dinner they thought the u.s. ambassador to ukraine was unfriendly to the president and his interests. according to parnas trump immediately suggested the then ambassador marie yovanovitch should be fired. joining me to talk about that as well as the items found in parnas' personal effects. let me start with this story and move to yours which is fascinating in its own right. it gets harder and harder every day i think to keep the kind of distance between parnas and fruman and trump that clearly the white house would like to keep. >> yeah, and parnas and fruman were really the boots on the ground so to speak in ukraine when it came to trying to pull off this political hit job, i guess, on ambassador yovanovitch. she's going to talk about it tomorrow, and we've been told actually that her closed door testimony was very emotional.
she obviously went through some sort of difficult times, professionally and personally as this kind of cabal was coming after her. so i think, you know, if you were sort of bored or disappointed with the hearing the other day, you're in for a bit more excitement this time around. >> there's also the fact they're now going -- you've got parnas, one of his lawyers saying he was pitching this quid pro quo, this extortion deal early in the spring, he was pitching to zelensky, we got reporting from "the washington post" today he was trying to pitch the idea in exchange for the last president getting a state visit if he would announce an investigation. it seems like these guys were really like the henchmen trying to pull off this plan. >> and they also had some personal financial interests at stake. they're running this company, global energy producers trying to win this big liquefied natural gas export contracts.
they wanted in the words of one investor to become the biggest natural gas exporter in the united states which is really saying something. and they felt there were a lot of u.s. diplomats and officials sort of standing in the way of this by pushing this aenlt corruption agenda in ukraine. that was kind of a big hangup to their plans there. at the same time their doing the political thing for trump and trying to expotion details for rudy giuliani, there's also these financial machinations taking place prior to that. >> you did some reporting on what was recovered from parnas when he was arrested at dulles about to board an outbound plane on a one way ticket. what'd you find? >> there were a couple of big ones from my point of view. one of them was a business card by a man the name of -- and he's the leading anti-corruption prosecutor in ukraine. but he's one of these -- a lot of these former soviet states
and we've heard this from some of these diplomats that have been testifying, the anti-corruption justice system is kind of a way to extort or threaten or seize assets from people you don't like, your political opponents. this guy seems to be sort of of that mold. and because of that and because he was caught on tape suborning false testimony and tipping off people to impending police raids ambassador yovanovitch sort of went at him very hard. so this was a guy who met with giuliani in paris over the summer and would have been someone who certainly would have been on the same side of giuliani and parnas in trying to get you von vch out of her post. so the fact he had his business card on him is definitely noteworthy. >> it's the perfect window, could we show the cigar bar photo to set the scene what it's like to hang out with lev and
igor. >> yeah, you know, lev, mr. parnas is an interesting guy because he's had a lot of financial problems. there's currently a former business partner trying to collect a half million federal judgment from him that was won six years ago he's never been able to collect. he's been evicted from an apartment in 2014, and he's had a lot of these financial partners and at the same time he's traveling with the equivalent of roughly $6,000 in cash and he's got 8 credit or debit cards and apparently doing a ton of gambling, and those questions are integral to the criminal case against him. he's of course pleaded not guilty but the longer this goes on, the more these records keep coming out that keep raising these questions.
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i say, yes, i prefer the company of white people or when i say i prefer to live in a majority white neighborhood and send my children to majority white schools. i'm quite frank about the fact i would prefer to live in a majority white nation, a majority white community. >> if you go over to the american renaissance website and we did is you don't have to you see ones like this one on creativity genes and racial differences, an article praising the ethnic cleansing by erdogan as, quote, an ingenious bit of population engineering that should off, a quote, tark lesson to america's open border class. a favorite is crimes committed by immigrants like one of a previously deported guatemalan charged with killing an up state resident in a dui. the site is filled with this kind of bilge and stephen miller
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it nominated a dhs tom wolf to be acting secretary. everyone leaves the job humiliated and disgraced and that's because no one can quite live up to the sheer level of cruelty and racialized bias of stephen miller who's calling the shots. the u.s. held a record number of immigrants in custody and ap reported on the squalid conditions in mexico where desperate residents are being forced to wait for asylum. this is what it looks like when the guy who leads american renaissance runs your immigration policy. here with me now michael hayden who uncovered those stephen miller e-mails this week and msnbc political analyst, co-host of signal boost and sirius xm
radio. >> the e-mails were leaked to me by -- who used to be an editor at breitbart. and during that time she was told by her bosses to take advice from stephen miller who was then an aide to jeff sessions. >> there's a big atlantic profile for her. she went from being sort of right wing fringe tuesday the sort out of alt right right wing supremacist part and left that behind. >> but she was receiving these tips from her and she's a young woman at that, 24 or so, and miller was advising her on what to write, what to report, he was very focused on crimes committed by non-white people for example and he recommended american
renaissance, camp of the saints which is just absolutely disgustingly racist if anybody wants to take it look. but he also was pushing things that i think most americans would find exteamly shocking like getting rid of basically hard seller, 1965 immigration act and returning to a time when we had ragsal quota laws. >> 1965 legislation got rid of those racial quota laws. of course they were the product of 1920s very racialized immigration reform that basically said we need only these kinds of white people, not these other kinds of whipeople. >> absolutely. >> this was his vision right now stephen miller and what's the significance of this individual working the united states and essentially having domain? >> he wasn't the only white nationalist if you'll recall who
was in the administration. steve bannon was the other white nationalist who was in the administration at the beginning. and as we were just chatting, it was actually right after charlottesville where he, you know, broke with the white house and exited the administration. and i think that that's an interesting point of reference. because if you think about charlottesville, that actually was a moment for this country to say, okay, you're on the side of the kkk and nazis or you're on the side of america. right, this is really about patriotism. so you have someone in here who has an anti-american world view that america is only for white people. and he is setting the policy for this administration with regards to immigration. that's when it becomes dangerous. >> we should note also that i just saw reporting that gordon sondland, one of his projects, this has just been reported by "the washington post," one of his projects was to boost european immigration, something that he cooked up apparently according to that reporting with
stephen miller. it really does seem like stephen miller's public words, his actions and what we read in the e-mails, what he views is he wants whiteness to predominate the u.s. and take whatever tools necessary to reduce non-white population to preserve a white majority. >> that's the type of rhetoric you see in white nationalists writings all the time. it's always about boosting white immigration and reducing non-white immigration in order to try to, you know, build this -- you know, build this country back to what they think was, you know, a great time. and i think a lot of people of color being really let down by this administration just by ignoring how horrific these ideas are. >> i want to read the white house's response. white house press secretary stephanie grisham said she'd not seen the report but called it an long debunked left smear of the organization. just to be clear, like, these -- sometimes people have leaked e-mails and the person who
leaked like she gave you her e-mails on the record with her name behind them. >> it's very important to note stephen miller is not denying these e-mails and e-mails are e-mails are e-mails, okay? so whatever you want to say about southern poverty law center or me about abouticaty, the e-mails are e-mails. >> and he's making the policy thatter aligns with what he's saying in these e-mails. i think that's the combination you have to put together. it's not just he has abhrnt views. he's implementing policy caging brown children and traumatizing them. we've just learned there's been 70,000 of them in detention. each one of those children is now going to be faced with trauma as a result of stephen miller's policies. >> we should be clearer, too, about the steps that have been taken on immigration, which align perfectly with the ideology which is first they say
we want to get rid of undocumented or illegal immigration but then they've essentially ended asylum at the border through the return to mexico program. they are attempting to boost european immigration at the same time. like, the picture of what stephen miller has done there, how much does it align with what you see in the e-mail snz. >> i think it's a really, really good example here and that's the -- example because it was very big in the news cycling at that time and what miller says to her it's all going to be about temporary protective status, and then he shares a link from -- which is a white genocide white nationalist focused website to guide in her reporting. and what has the administration done with temporary protective status, they have reduced the number of people that we are protecting after these storms, and they did it with the
bahamas. >> that's a really good point. thank you both. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. thanks, my friend i appreciate it. first of all let me clear something up right away. the first of the donald j. trump impeachment hearings yesterday, the one with bill taylor and george kent from the state department as witnesses, that first hearing yesterday started at 10:00 a.m. eastern. the second impeachment hearing is tomorrow, but it does not start at 10:00 a.m. eastern like the first one did. it starts an hour earlier at 9:00 a.m., not 10:00. so you probably need to reset your alarm or replan your morning around when you're telling people you will not be available to answer the phone. tomorrow 9:00 a.m. tomorrow's witness is going to be marie masha yovanovitch. she was a casualty of president trump's scheme in ukraine