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tomorrow will be a big day. not only is tomorrow a friday in the year 2019, tomorrow's going to be day two of the impeachment hearings. marie yovanovitch ousted as ukraine ambassador. her testimony and that second impeachment hearing will start at 9:00 a.m. eastern. also tomorrow a closed door deposition from somebody named david holmes. he's the first of potentially two staffers from kiev who overheard a phone call from ambassador sondland asking about investigations into the bidens he wanted ukraine to do. i should also tell you tomorrow we will be awaiting a jury verdict in the roger stone trial. the jury is already out deliberating in that case. it's going to be a big day tomorrow. now it's time for the "last word" where joy reed is in for lawrence tonight.
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>> i can tell you as of tomorrow you can officially class me as a shut-in. i will not leave my home. no one is to call me. do not text me. i will not answer. i'm so fascinated by it. i don't know if you've responded to it the same way. >> i have to tell you i'm already nervous now about how fast i need to sleep so i can be awake and done all my business like have breakfast and have a shower and walk the dog so i'm seated and paying attention by 9:00 because 9:00 a.m. is not my key time of day. >> it's hard because i have really bad insomnia. so i've been trying to trick myself to fall asleep so i can be up at 8:00. my poor husband, i'm like i've got to be asleep. i've got to get up at 8:00. it's not been easy this week. >> also i love how you and i have the same approach to
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sleeping. like must sleep now. >> turn on matthew mcconhay app where he reads me a story now. >> and you scream at it and it doesn't relax you or what you to sleep. at least we're in the same boat. >> there's two of us. >> you and i will both be awake all night and sleep on saturday. fair? >> all right, have a good night. all right, coming up ahead as rachel -- as we just discussed as turkey's brutal president erdogan was welcomed to the white house, the trump organization refused to answer questions from senators about donald trump's business interests in turkey. and i'll talk with one of those senators about trump's possible conflicts of interests. and leaked e-mails from senior white house official stephen miller show that, surprise, trump's point man on detaining non-european immigrants. but first tonight debunking the
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latest republican talking point on impeachment. new damning information is coming out all the time about the trump-ukraine scandal at the strf the impeachment investigation. republicans have field tested a dozen different arguments. but each one has been flimsier or weirder than the last. in the first impeachment hearing republicans complained that neither of the officials were first-hand witness tuesday the events under scrutiny. >> officials alarmed at the president's actions was typically based on secondhand, thirdhand and even fourthhand rumors and inuendo. >> we've got six people having four conversations in one sentence and you just told me this is where you got your clear understanding. >> we're not in court, gentlemen. and if we were the sixth amendment would apply and most of your testimonies would not be
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admissible whatsoever. >> here's the thing, republicans are only telling half of the story. first-hand witness, the people who have met trump or worked directly with him aren't being allowed to testify. the white house is stopping them from doing so. former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner argues every single time a republican complains of hearsay, secondhand information being introduced at the impeachment hearings, that statement should be viewed as powerful proof trump is obstructing the hearing by prohibpr prohibiting witnesses with first-hand info from testifying. many of the witnesses the democrats want to call such as acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney and acting office of budget and management office and former national security advisor bolton have refused to come on white house orders or are being blocked outright from testifying by the
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trump administration. in particular interest john bolton's lawyer says his client has personal knowledge of relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed in testimonies thus far, all of which are being held up by the white house. here's house speaker nancy pelosi. >> we are not here to be manipulated by the obstruction of justice of the administration. on the one hand they say that it is 2ndhand, on the other hand they obstruct all of the people who they would consider to have first-hand knowledge from testifying. >> at least one republican member of congress believes officials like mulvaney should testify. republican congressman francis rooney of florida who has not yet ruled out supporting impeachment told cnn he thinks mulvaney should appear before the impeachment committee saying, quote, i think everyone should come to testify. and breaking tonight, one critical official is expected to
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defy the white house and testify in the impeachment investigation. "the washington post" is reporting that mark sandy, a long time career employee at the white house office of management and budget is expected to break ranks and testify saturday in the house democrats impeachment inquiry, potentially filling in important details on the hold up of military aid yto ukraine. mark sandy could provide insight into the process by which almost $400 million in military and security aid to ukraine was held up over the summer. "the post" reports that mark sandy was among the career staffers who raised questions about the hold up on the aid. and speaker pelosi kicked her rhetoric up a notch today using the word bribery to describe trump's actions towards ukraine going further than she ever has before. >> the devastating testimony corroborated evidence of bribery uncovered in the inquiry and
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that the president abused power and violated his oath by threatening to withhold military aid in a white house meeting in exchange for an investigation into his political rival. the bribe is to grant or with hold military assistance in return for a public statement of a fake investigation into the elections. that's bribery. >> that's bribery. pelosi's remarks come just days after house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff told npr that trump's potentially impeachable offenses include bribery. and notably the u.s. constitution explicitly names two impeachable offenses, treason and bribery. and as "the new york times" writes pelosi's use of the word bribery is significant because it's suggested that democrats are increasingly working to put a name to the president's alleged wrongdoing and moving toward a more specific set of charges that could be codified
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in articles of impeachment in the coming weeks. leading off our discussion democratic congressman david of rhode island a member of the house judiciary committee and house foreign affairs committee. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. and an msnbc legal analyst. and neera tanden, former senior advisor to obama and hillary clinton. and congressman, i want to go to you on this first. the white house's argument or the republicans' argument on their behalf has been that all of the witnesses who have come forward thus far are secondhand -- they hold secondhand information. they didn't talk to donald trump directly, they didn't participate in the events or testify about it directly. and yet they're holding up all the direct participants and not letting them testify. does it surprise you that the response of the house committee has not been to simply subpoena and order the direct
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participants to testify, or do you think it's smarter to say they' their not testifying just becomes another article of impeachment? >> we have, of course, the president's own admission of wrongdoing. we have the telephone transcript in the president's own words. we have the whistle-blower report that details the elaborate scheme. all of that has been corroborated by witnesses. we're going to hear additional witnesses who have direct knowledge of conversations. lieutenant colonel vindman who listed in on the call, a number of people who wrote text messages and e-mails. there's overwhelming evidence. i think we're making the right decision. look, we've asked witnesses to appear, we've subpoenaed witnesses. but we're not going to be dragged into a protracted period of litigation so the president can drag this out. we've put the witnesses on notice. if you fail to appear because the president has told you not to, or produce documents we're going to consider that evidence as obstruction of congress and
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that was a separate article of impeachment against president nixon. we're not going to simply allow the administration to obstruct this process and benefit by engaging us in protracted litigation that could take months and months. we've put them on notice. if they have something exculpatory to the president we ought to let them come forward. i think we can draw inference by his direction to them not to appear. >> it's certainly incriminating if he won't allow the people, if the people closest to him in this whole situation had information exculpatory you think he'd be rushing them to congress to give that information. but instead he's withholding it. neal katyal wrote about in "the new york times." mr. trump's effort to hinder the investigation of him is at least as great a threat to the rule of law. it strikes at the heart of american democracy and is itself the essence of an impeachable offense. what we have here is the andrew
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johnson case that congress appropriated money and you've got the nixon case for impeachment which is obstructing the investigation itself. so it feels like there's so much already on the table. in you're mind as somebody who's on judiciary, do you think the congress will be in very short order ready to go ahead and write articles? >> i think there's no question, and i've had the opportunity to sit through the depositions as a member of the foreign affairs committee. i think the american people will see over the next several days and several weeks overwhelming evidence of the president's wrongdoing, that he abused the power of his office, that he undermined our national security. he undermined the integrity of our elections by withholding military aid in a white house meeting until he got ukrainians to gin up a phony investigation against his chief political rival. this is damning and shocking conduct on the part of the president. obviously we've approved proceedings that will give the president a chance to come forward and present evidence and cross examine witnesses and try
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to explain this. but i think there's overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing certainly sufficient for us to move forward before the judiciary committee and consider articles of impeachment. and i expect that will happen -- that they'll have an responsibility to respond to it. but the evidence is overwhelming. the facts are uncontested and we've heard a number of different defenses from republicans, but none of them have challenged the actual facts that have been alleged. >> right, and joyce vance, i think what a lot of people don't understand if you get a jury summons, you have to show up. if you get ordered by court you have to do it. how can it be permissible for these witnesses to say i'm simply not showing up? i think a lot of people are confused how they can get away with it and not wind up in jail. >> i think the short answer is it's not permissible.
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and if we had a criminal justice system that should be functioning the way it should be and has under other administrations there would be accountability. but unfortunately for grz it doesn't have the ability or at least it doesn't have an easy path forward to enforce its subpoenas. its real enforcement mechanism is to ask the district attorney to enforce the subpoena on its behalf. and of course given this administration and this attorney general that's not an easy path forward. so i think congress has taken a really smart approach here in that they're calling the witnesses and they've put the witnesses on notice their failure to appear whether it's pursuant to a subpoena or lawful request for someone in government to show up for what's essentially an oversight hearing, that those failures are active obstruction that can ultimately be charged in congress against this president in articles of impeachment. that's where the accountability comes in.
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it's slow, it's frustrating but we're moving in the right direction today. >> neera, donald trump today is attacking taylor and kent. and you laugh but if that is what people fear, those who are not cooperating if that's the worse you're going to get, donald trump is going to tweet nasty things at you, it does confuse me why people are so afraid to follow the law. >> i think we're actually seeing more and more of career officials speaking out. so i think the fact we now have a career official in the omb, office of management and budget offices are within the executive complex, so it's much closer to the white house. the fact we have a career official who's planning to testify and defy the white house i think is an important facts. and that career official is going to give us lots of information and will tie this much more closely. remember mick mulvaney was the former director of the omb. he is -- the chief of staff it's
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very likely he communicated directly to russell voy or possib possibly career officials like mark sandy. i think we two other career officials in the embassy of ukraine who are now speaking out about overhearing this conversation between gordon sondland. so really the most important part we see is that house democrats are very smartly in my view making the case about the crime here. there's absolutely an abuse of power. but the abuse of power has a definition, and it is bribery. and i think most importantly for the american people they saw a clear case yesterday, the evidence being laid out. and now they're understanding what it is, a crime. and if this crime is not impeachable and punishable, nothing really is. as you said it's laid out in the constitution. so i think this is a very important step that the speaker
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has taken by defining it. and i think what will be really important is tomorrow you're going to see some of the victims of this crime, an ambassador who was smeared in order to move her out because she was trying to do the right thing for the country. she was victimized for being a patriot. >> yeah, and i think now it is very specific, congressman, do you have a sense just being on judiciary commute when time line looks like for how long you think this process is going to go? >> i think we should expect a couple of weeks, maybe another week at least of hearings before the intelligence committee. i think the intelligence committee shortly after that will conclude its work. hopefully prepare a final report and a referral to the judiciary committee, which the resolution we passed authorizes. i think there are a number of other committees who have been engaged in oversight who will similarly make a referral for any appropriate consideration by judiciary. and then my hope is shortly
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after that the judiciary committee will meet and consider whether or not articles of impeachment ought to be prepared and filed with the full house. >> congressman peter welch has said he'd be comfortable voting on articles of impeachment on president trump based on what he's heard so far. do you agree? >> i think there's prima facie evidence of a crime. i think we owe it to the president in the judiciary hearings to give him an opportunity and have his lawyers cross examine, see if he can explain what seems very obviously serious misconduct. so i think we ought to go through that process. but this is very serious, and i think the judiciary committee will have ample information to move forward if the committee members consider it appropriate. >> all right, thank you very much. voice vance and neera tanden, thank you all very much as well. and coming up next, tomorrow is expected to be a blockbuster day in the house intelligence
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committee. former u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch who was recalled from her position after a rudy giuliani led smear campaign against her will testify publicly. but behind closed doors tomorrow investigators will be getting details from the staffer who overheard donald trump talking to his eu ambassador gordon sondland about investigations the day after trump's call with the ukrainian president. that's next. s call with the ukrainian president. that's next. at bayer, we're helping put more gold into the golden years. with better heart treatments, advanced brain disease research, and better ways to age gracefully. at bayer, this is why we science. i've always loved and i'm still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'll go for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin.
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tomorrow is the next big day of witness testimony for the impeachment inquiry. at 9:00 a.m. marie yovanovitch will testify publicly about the smear campaign orchestrated by rudy giuliani to toss her out of her job as the ambassador to ukraine. and another witness will appear behind closed doors to reveal what he knows about a previously unknown cellphone call that eu ambassador gordon sondland made from a restaurant in kiev to donald trump the day after the infamous phone call with ukraine's president. >> a member of my staff could hear president trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland about the investigations. ambassador sondland told president trump the ukrainians were ready to move forward. >> that staffer is david holmes, an official at the u.s. embassy in ukraine whose testimony tomorrow could further point the finger directly at trump in the harebrained plot to extort ukraine into investigating the
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bidens to help trump in 2020 and boosting a conspiracy theory to clear russia of meddling in the 2016 election. and today the associated press and "the washington post" report a second official was sitting at the table and overheard sondland and trump discussing the need for ukraine to pursue those investigations. each citing a single anonymous source. nbc news has confirmed that the official was accompanying sondland during his visit but has not confirmed whether she overheard the call. and joining us now is democratic congressman danny heck from washington. he's a member of the house intelligence committee who will be attending the yovanovitch hearing and the holmes deposition tomorrow. and larry fifer, former director of the white house situation room where he managed president obama's phone calls with other heads of state. he's the forther chief of staff to the director of the cia. congressman, i want to play you a little bit of yourself questioning mr. kent about
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ambassador yovanovitch during the hearing this week. take a listen. >> is it not true that rather than fighting corruption in general in ukraine that what president trump actually did was unceremoniously recall and remove ambassador yovanovitch from her post in ukraine? >> much of what we've been discussing today which involved an irregular channel was a request that went against u.s. policy that would have undermined the rule of law and our long-standing policy goals in ukraine as in other countries in the post-soviet space. >> those policies which were indeed championed by ambassador yovanovitch. >> so what we have here is an ambassador trying to do her job being ousted, at one point being even told by ambassador sondland she ought to tweet praise of donald trump to save her job rather than doing the job he was there to do.
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what are you expecting ms. yovanovitch to add to what we're going to see tomorrow? >> what america is going to see tomorrow is the best of the best. she is the cream of the crop when it comes to foreign service diplomats. and actually what ambassador sondland said to her i think is way, way less offensive than what president trump said about her, that she was a bad woman and then ominously threatening she's going to go through some things. >> let me read a bit of that. this is the fact ms. yovanovitch saying she felt threatened what he said about her. trump said the woman was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the ukraine were bad news, so i just want to let you know that, and she said what was the reaction and she said i was shocked, i was very surprised trump would speak about me or any ambassador in that way to a foreign counterpart. and trump says, well, she's going to go through some things. the question is what did you think about that, and she said
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she was very concerned and felt threatened. >> because she was threatened, joy. that's thinly veiled. it's consistent and completely in character with the other kinds of things he said throughout the time he was candidate and served as president. >> let me bring you in there. this has been called dumb watergate. it's been called sort of donald trump being in a mafioso way. the idea he's be on the phone, on a cellphone talking with his ambassador about the very thing he's going to be impeach said for, how unusual -- this is almost a rhetorical question -- for the president of the united states to speak by cellphone with his ambassador about foreign policy issues? >> very unusual, joy. number one, normally an ambassador doesn't talk to the president of the united states on any kind of telephone call on a routine basis. number two, you have this being done over a nonsecured device
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that could be readily interseptded by a number of foreign governments but in this case particularly russia given how wired the country of ukraine is by russian intelligence. >> now, you did write in -- you said to "the washington post" -- you quoted by saying the security ramifications are insane. using an open cellphone to communicate with the president of the united states in a country you can almost take it to bank that the russians were listening in on the call. would you presume that the russians have a recording of the call, a transcript of the call? basically information they now hold over the held of the president of the united states? >> that's absolutely a clear possibility. and i'd be almost embarrassed for them if they weren't targeting ambassador sondland, the people at the embassy either through electronic means, through some kind of sensitive means or just having people walking around in the restaurant or sitting near them in the
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restaurant to listen and overhear the conversations. >> the kind of lack of understanding of sort of basic security protocol by the president and by the people that he had around him is surprising. will this wind up, do you think, becoming a part of sort of the hearing? i mean, do you think it's a possibility that this -- a recording of the call could come out? >> i don't know if a recording will come out, but i'm fairly confident that there were people listening in. i think that's probably a given given the location in a public place where they were. i'm not sure, however, that a recording by the russians would be something they would holds over his head when you stop to think about they were doing was their bidding. they were trying to with hold security assist toons the ukrainians, it was to the benefit of the russians. so i'm not sure they would blackmail him with doing their job. >> it does feel like as speaker pelosi said, everything does seem to come back to russia with him. what do you make of that as a mebl of congress, as an
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american? >> all roads lead to russia so it seems. well, we don't know. and i can't help but feel if more of the documents we had subpoenaed had been presented to us or if for example his tax returns had been revealed we might have more information what it is -- what is his obsession with vladimir putin and assisting it russians despite their maligned intent and their aggression in eastern ukraine? >> yeah, it is a puzzle. congressman denny heck, larry fifer, thank you both. and coming up while the trump administration is trying to avoid questions from the senate about the president's conflict of interest in turkey. that's next. resident's conflict of interest in turkey that's next. because they need the massive capacity of 5g with ultra wideband, so more screaming, streaming, posting fans... can experience 5g all at once. this is happening in 13 stadiums all across the country. now if verizon 5g can do this for the nfl... imagine what it can do for you.
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well, we all know donald trump has fawned dictators and strong man from putin to kim jong-un to the brutal saudi prince mohammed bin salman. the idea an american president -- to conduct more military ventures would have been unthinkable. well, with donald trump that's exactly what happened. donald trump invited turkish president erdogan to the white house despite turkey's recent military incursion into the northern syria. its attack on america's allies, the kurds and a missile defense system from russia. trump welcomed erdogan as his, quote, very good friend and stood there with nothing to say as the turkish autocrat characterized our kurdish allies as terrorists. of course, why wouldn't he? trump's embrace of erdogan is
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just another example of him putting his own financial interests ahead of the interests of the united states. here is how then candidate donald trump said he would approach turkey if elected president during an interview in 2015. >> i have a little conflict of interest because i have a major, maj major building in istanbul. it's a tremendously successful job. it's called trump towers. two towers. not the usual one, it's two. >> that conflict of interest has not gone away now trump is president. according to nbc news trump's former national security advisor bolton indicated he was concerned by the president's unwillingness to impose sanctions on turkey. quote, bolton believes there's a personal or business relationship dictating trump's position on turkey because none of his advisers are aligned with him on the issue. and as president erdogan visited the president, the trump organization refused to provide
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answers to questions from senators about the president's business interests in turkey. joining us now is one of the senators to have requested information from the trump organization on the president's business dealings in turkey. senator, thank you so much for being here. i want to get right to the questions that you want answered regarding donald trump. is it is as sort of straightforward as whether or not trump's policies toward turkey are dictated by the fact turkey has his businesses in their purview? >> the fundmental point here is in fact whether donald trump has been so influenced and in fact corrupted by his personal financial dealings that he is putting his personal interests ahead of the nation's interests. and our questions are pretty straightforward. how much is he making from this deal with the two trump towers, and what kind of leverage does the turkish government have over
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that deal if erdogan sought to end it as he threatened to do in fact just a few years ago? and finally what kind of dealings or conversations have there been between the trump organization and turkish officials regarding u.s.-turkish relations? these kinds of questions demand disclosures so people know, in fact, whether he is putting his own interests ahead of our national interests. and this situation is only one of a fair number of payments and benefits that he's receiving from foreign governments in violation of the constitution's emoluments clause which is the principle anti-corruption of the constitution and that is the reason that 200 of us, members of congress, have sued the president. i've helped to lead it. it's called bloomenthal versus trump, and it will be argued in fact december 9th in the court of appeals. >> and we know "the new york times" wrote a piece about the
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sort of trio of sons in law creating a back channel between trump and erdogan that include jared kushner, the son-in-law of turkey's finance minister and the son-in-law of a turkish tycoon with ties to the trump organization. a piece behind trump's accommodating attitude towards turkey is this unusual back channel, and the ties between those three men show how have helped shape american policy in a volatile part of the world. do you think it would be important for congress to hear from jared kushner just what businesses are taking place behind the scenes out of american eyesight between himself potentially and these other sons in law? >> jared kushner has relevant evidence and information. so do eric and donald trump, jr. and other members of the trump organization who are, in fact, working still for the president in his private capacity because he continues to own the trump
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organization. remember how absolutely extraordinary this situation of past presidents have divested their similar private interests, they've sold them, they've bought bonds which raise no conflicts of interests. and donald trump is the extraordinary exception to that rule. and his conflict of interest is more than a little one as he put it very boastfully. >> and we know that donald trump denied the president of ukraine, which is our ally, a country we've long been in support of in their attempts to free themselves from russia. he denied that president a white house meeting. he gave one to president erdogan despite the brutality that turkey has inflicted on the kurds who are our allies. what did you make of that, sir, for him to invite erdogan to the white house? >> the invitation to erdogan, the avoidance of any sanctions for erdogan buying russian
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missile, the green light to erdogan to invade northern syria and slaughter our allies, the kurds, as you mentioned earlier, all of these actions in effect raise the specter of a payoff to erdogan. but it's part of a pattern, and that's why the dealings with the ukrainian president are part of that pattern as well. bribery is certainly a very plausible and powerful charge supported by very convincing evidence in the case of the ukraine. and all around the world donald trump is profiting from the presidency by putting his personal financial interests potentially at the priority compared to the nations. >> the trump administration has claimed they were attempting to fight corruption in ukraine. do you believe that donald trump and his administration are corrupt or that he himself is
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corrupt? >> this administration is the most corrupt in my lifetime, maybe the most corrupt in american history and certainly in recent history. and all of the evidence that has been disclosed by the mueller report, by the very powerful evidence of the president abusing his office, betraying his trust, committing bribery in the ukrainian president's dealings, in effect demanding that the ukrainian president do his bidding, and using his power of the presidency to his personal benefit i think are part of that corrupt pattern. and, unfortunately, the more we know, the more we see it. and the more powerfully it is the case for the removal of this president. >> senator richard blumenthal, thank you for joining us tonight. and coming up, newly revealed e-mails from white
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there has been a lot of news about the impeachment inquiry into donald trump over the last 48 hours which is why you may have missed a completely different scandal brewing in the trump white house. earlier this week the southern poverty law center released a trove of over 900 e-mails from white house advisor stephen miller to the right wing news outlet breitbart. the e-mails were sent between 2015 and 2016 before miller entered the white house but overlapping with the period he worked for the trump presidential campaign. they showed that miller frequently shared links from white nationalist websites and encouraged a reporter at home of
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the alt right website breitbart to source stories to those sights. among the websites linked to by miller was a site named after virginia dare, the first white child reported to have been born on american soil in the 1600s. the white house responded to questions about the e-mails saying it was anti-semitic to raise issues of a top advisor sharing articles from white supremacists websites because stephen miller was jewish. at least seven have called on him to resign. when i come back i'll talk about what miller's continued presence in the white house means and about how democrats respond to stories like this amid the current impeachment investigation. t impeachment investigation. where we all want more energy. but with less carbon footprint. can we have both? at bp, we're working every day
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the statue of liberty says give me your tired, your poor, your huddled passes. it doesn't say anything about speaking english or being a computer programmer. >> the statue of liberty is symbol of liberty and lighting the world. the poem you're referring to was added later and not actually part of the original statue of liberty. >> that was white house senior advisor stephen miller in his first appearance before the white house press corp. new e-mails show miller regularly e-mailed a reporter at
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breitbart with a link to white supremacist websites. i'll start with you maria theresa. this is part of the story apparently according to in august of this year -- actually this is later, a justice department newsletter cob taint a blog post, the newsletter summaried a link to a post from vdare, and we now are finding out stephen miller was sending vdare articles and other white nationalist haunts to this breitbart editor and suggesting she source article from them. this is not surprising i think to most people who have paid attention to stephen miller, but
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what do you make of it? >> the challenge of having stephen miller in the ear of the president in the white house in one of the highest capacity tuesday dictate not only his hate, to translate into policy, and that's basically what he's been doing. when you find out, the ap broke yesterday that 69,000 migrant children have been held in detention, that's the consequent. and we have a come to jesus moment when people sometimes say words of consequences when under this administration we have had, and we have the receipts that demonstrate add the citizenship question was to gerrymander white republican districts that were not hispanics, it speeaks volumes. his words have consequences, they translate literally to policy that is harms a majority of americans. oftentimes we have conversations about well, these are
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minorities. minorities represent 40% of who we are. it is 135 million americans. they are disproportionate in everyday's lives. he's held accountable for the policy he's dictating and making americans less safe. >> the thing is that the history so far that steve bannon who says he's making breitbart the home of the alt-right, it simply means white nationalists. if you dare to say wait a minute, why is steve bannon sort of an ordinary figure in the trump administration, you would be looked as you are insane. he said that's what breitbart going to be. it is not surprising that an ally of his also made breitbart
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the home of the alt-right by suggesting they read white nationalist materials. >> alt-right is white-washing allnationalism. they talk about white genocides and cleansing people of color from this country. these are not disagreements we have. these are policies that promotes america as only a place for white people. this administration has policies that talk about immigration which is essentially about immigration for white people. i would like to note that it is something that we should not feel as normal to have a white nationalist or a white
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national's view. normal policy structure of the white house. this is not normal. i worked in the white house before. i worked in two different white houses. these views have been aborant. it should not be accepted by any americans. >> you have members of congress who called on stephen miller to resign and dismiss from his job. all have signed onto that let r letter. bannon was never dismissed on it. donald trump relies on stephen miller to help him make policies towards immigrants. he worked for jeff sessions, excluding all three of us from this table, from coming into this country. it does not appear that the white house is going to have high morality on this.
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is there a way for him to be moved? >> what donald trump does not like is someone to get more credit for the work that's getting done at the white house. what steve bannon was able to do was get on top of that magazine. there is been concerns of efforts to profile steve miller, he'll bring in someone else. disclose who steve miller was. the more we can cover and expose him to the american public, he's the one that's the puppeteer. thank you both for joining us tonight. >> federal investigation of rudy giuliani's is wider than previously known. oh, that's next. previously known oh, that's next. i've always loved seeing what's next.
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there is new reporting of the federal investigation into donald trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, who's art the heart of the impeachment inquiry. rudy giuliani is under investigation for possible campaign finance violations and failure to register as a foreign agent. rudy giuliani can face bribery charges. he was attorney office for the southern district of new york scrutinizing rudy giuliani as prosecutors investigating his associates. both who have been charged. joyce vance is back with us. donald trump may throw him under a bus, rudy giuliani said, i am not but i do have very good insurance. if he does, still all my
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hospital bills will be paid. >> you know jo, joy, his lawyers quick to step into that call and caution reporter that rudy giuliani was joking. this comes off as an implied threat than an actual joke. maybe he did not mean it that way. certainly as you point out, rudy giuliani has to be one of the biggest breaths to this president. as long as the president keeps rudy giuliani close he's safe. if rudy giuliani for whatever reason feels threatened and decides to cooperate with investigators and tell them about his conversation with the president, their goals in ukraine, he could be the ultimate and direct evidence. we started at this hour by saying congressman on the republican side of the house
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were complaining the lack of direct testimony that democrats were bringing, rudy giuliani would be the ultimate direct witness. >> he certainly would. >> joy vance, thank you for joining us. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. >> tonight the late warning of another government employee breaks the silence on the impeachment inquiry as we are hours away from a veteran former ambassador who says she felt threatened by her own government while working for the u.s. overseas. what words were they talking about? cameras capture the conversation between the president and his attorney general despite waiting for the helicopter in the backyard. the speaker compares the president to nixon and spells out the crimes she believes

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