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and that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." i'm dara brown. time for alex whit. >> thank you so much for the kickoff. a very good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters, 7:00 in the east, 4:00 a.m. out west. day 55 of the impeachment inquiry and some key developments over these last 24 hours including brand-new testimony. here is a snapshot of what's transpired right here on msnbc. >> he heard of a phone call between ambassador gordon sondland and president trump in which the president asked about the investigations. last night david holmes told the house intelligence committee in his opening statement obtained by nbc news that he heard that exchange. >> breaking news here, this is capitol hill just moments ago, that's mark and gee, he works at
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the office of management and budget at the white house making his way to a secure facility within the capitol for his testimony he's going to deliver behind closed doors today. >> he can inform the committee of inquiry about the details of the decision, who made it and why to suspend military aid to ukraine. >> a closed door deposition with omb official mark sandy just finishing. new transcripts just coming out at the top of the hour about 20 minutes ago, that of testimony given by timothy morrison, that's one we have, as well as jennifer williams. we are looking at about 20 pages that we are going through right now. >> according to congressman adam schiff, the testimony shows that president trump's july 25th phone call with ukrainian president zelensky immediately set off alarm bells throughout the white house. >> democrats are now gearing up for a busy week of public hearings of what could be
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pivotal testimony from eight witnesses. so our reporters and analysts they are ready to go through all the new developments in this impeachment inquiry. so the first big headline to address this hour, brand-new transcripts released of closed-door testimony from jennifer williams an aide to vice president mike pence and tim morrison the former national security council's russia and europe director. williams telling investigators that the call was, quote, unusual and inappropriate, and that it shed light on possible other motivations behind a hold on security assistance. tim morrison telling investigators that u.s. ambassador to the eu gordon sondland, quote, believed and at least related to me that the president was giving him instruction. also adding that sondland was regularly in touch with the president. the white house dismissing these newly released transcripts, accusing democrats of changing the rules in the process. >> everything that's coming out are selective leaks against this president. we don't know what was said in there. if there was anything said in there that was for this
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president, that's certainly not leaking out. so the rules keep changing. this is why the president keeps going to twitter and going around them. we have no rights in this whole sham and it's horrible. it's really who are sniebl joining me now julia manchester reporter for the hill and alan smith nbc news political reporter. alan, you first here. what did we learn from these two who were on that phone call between trump and zelensky? >> well, first off, i mean, the most important new revelation that's come out was based off of bill taylor's testimony that holmes has confirmed this second phone call taking place between sondland and trump in which, you know, sondland speaking loudly to the president in a ukrainian restaurant and he is overheard talking about zelensky wanting to do the investigations that trump seeks and trump being very supportive of that, apparently zelensky made some interesting -- or rather sondland made interesting remarks on that call. it will be interesting to see how sondland responds to that
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this week. this would be another change to his testimony. it's one thing to have to amend your testimony once but when you have to do it a second time you begin asking is there a third time? is there a fourth time? he is really the one firsthand witness to trump's actions on this. he was the one who was dealing with trump the entire time. so he's going to be the one person who is most critical when it comes to this new information. >> with you, julia, relative to williams and morrison and what we've learned from them, what are your main take a ways? >> i think in terms of williams this is definitely bad news for the white house, this is coming from a former official -- or an official of an aide from vice president pence's office. this shows there was very much widespread concern within the white house about this entire, you know, conversation and these developments. so going forward i think this is definitely something that democrats are going to absolutely seize upon when it comes to williams and i think you're going to see that really continue to go on throughout this impeachment inquiry.
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>> how about, alan, your thoughts on grisham's suggestion that these transcripts are selective, they're leaking selective parts of it, that they're not full transcripts, is that the truth? >> it's interesting in that this was what they were saying the first time around when some of the initial transcripts were released. now, republicans themselves haven't been necessarily saying that the transcripts are omitting anything. we've been able to see them in full from all of the previous witnesses. there is no reason to think there's anything missing from these transcripts that the favorable to the president. any information favorable to the president you would think republicans would be out in front making sure this is publicly known and we haven't heard that information from republicans who are in the room during these depositions. >> what about mark sandy, of course, for those who aren't familiar we were talking about it yesterday, but white house budget official, he testified behind closed doors yesterday
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and here is the republican reaction following yesterday's deposition. >> throughout this entire impeachment hearing the democrats have been suggesting that there are some nefarious purposes as it relates to the hold on aid and yet we heard today behind closed doors in general terms that the assumptions that democrats have made and certainly the allegations that they have made have not been supported by the witness' testimony here today and certainly have not been supported by the reasons for that hold -- >> i just have to say i would have loved to have known what the question was there. i was like what are you answering? but, any way, what do we know, julie, about what came out of sandy's testimony? >> right. so we know that sandy said he was not aware of a hold on that aid to ukraine.
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we heard that he said that in the testimony from yesterday. so i think, you know, judging off of mark meadows there and his comments, this is something that republicans are going to continue to seize upon and say that this was not necessarily, you know, nefarious or whatever, but, yeah, i mean, his -- meadows' response really i think illustrates the entire gop's response to this. i think they're going to continue to use these little pieces of testimony that you hear from characters like mark sandy to really illustrate their point that there really was no there there and to continue to say that there is nothing nefarious going on. you know, we will really have to see as this goes on how much that really holds. >> anything to add to that, allan? >> i mean, look, you're going to see republicans continue to say that there is no there there because no deal took place, so in essence, you know, what are we even really talking about here? we saw in the testimony last week they managed to get a witness to say -- yovanovitch, they got her to say that
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president trump has not bribed someone. well, the reality is that this investigation is about whether the president was not trying to accept a bribe, but whether he was pushing someone else to do something. >> yeah. >> you know, we're going to see republicans continue to try to make this seem as if, you know, there's really not much there and we're going to see democrats do otherwise. >> exactly. guys, let's go to the second big headline which is this public hearing busy, busy week getting set to get under way this week. eight more witnesses scheduled to testify across three days and among them is u.s. ambassador to the eu gordon sondland whose testimony could corroborate the most explosive information that we have to date about president trump's involvement. so julie and alan, let's get into this. the question i want to get to you is do you get a sense that sondland is in something of a box here, possibly having to corroborate the holmes -- what
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he said under oath there, especially that the president said he knew nothing about this phone call. that's going to be a hard one for sondland to get around. >> yeah, and, i mean, going into this whole thing sondland was the one witness who, you know, seemed to be by the president's side. he was telling the version of events that was more helpful to the president. again, now that he's had to amend his testimony once, it throws his credibility into question, but now that he's going to be asked directly right from the onset about this new phone call that's been released, which really is something that ties trump more closely to this push to investigate joe biden than even the first phone call, if what was said on that call -- if what was testified by mr. holmes ends up being accurate, you know, this is taking it, again, to another level and sondland is going to be asked about it immediately. does he concede that he needed
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to, quote, refresh his memory again? it's just going to be something that limits his credibility when it comes to information that could be beneficial to the president. >> here is what the house oversight committee member gerry connolley told me yesterday on why sondland might be in a bit of a pinch here. take a listen. >> well, i think ambassador sondland has a problem. he's already amended his earlier testimony before the committee of inquiry in closed deposition because subsequent witnesses, you know, frankly contradicted parts of his testimony. in this case it would be very difficult for ambassador sondland to deny what happened in a public place that was, you know, witnessed and so he's going to have some explaining to do. >> and mr. conley there echoing allan's sentiments that he said is there any out, julia, for sondland? what happens if he does not corroborate holmes' testimony, especially if we have potentially two other witnesses that will come out to echo holmes account.
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in his opening statement he said there were two others sitting at the table with him. >> i don't see an out for sondland right now. what is he going to do, is he going to try to change his testimony again? his credibility is already so damaged. so, you know, i think he's absolutely in a box. i don't really see where he can go from here. so since it was said, you know, that those comments were made in a very public place with people sitting there, so i'm not sure where he goes, but i think this just shows how much of a box he is in, how much his credibility has already been damaged. >> julie manchester and allan smith both with great creds with us, thank you so much. to the white house now and president trump making an unannounced physical exam yesterday at walter reed medical center. nbc's kelly o'donnell at his post there bright and early this sunday morning. kelly, why is this getting attention? >> reporter: well, a president gets an annual physical exam and it is normally done with advanced notice to the public and certainly on the president's schedule. so when the president gets any
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medical care separate from that it raises questions. now, the white house has said the president is fine, the president himself tweeted that everything is very good and that he got a phase one start to his annual medical exam. his white house press secretary described it as a portion of his medical exam. that, too, breaks with the tradition where typically the president goes for several hours with all the kinds of lab work and tests for all the systems of the body to do a comprehensive report and then later portions of that report are made public in some fashion. that didn't happen here. so why this is getting attention is the concern about whenever the president may not be well or not feeling well or any question about a medical need, that is certainly newsworthy and it is a national security matter as well. because of the nature of the -- unique nature of the presidency.
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this unfolded saturday afternoon where the white house pool who travel anywhere with the president when he leaves these grounds were notified that there would be travel to an undisclosed location, they traveled at about 2:00 p.m. on saturday, got to the walter reed national military medical center in bethesda, maryland, they were there for about two hours. typically an annual physical is longer than that. so that's another discrepancy. again, the white house is saying the president is fine, that he was choosing to make use of a down day in washington when he was not golfing because the 2020 campaign year which is ahead will be very busy, those are the reasons they've provided. we have no indication that there was anything wrong with the president, but when things are out of the normal pattern it raises questions. we've been asking those questions and the white house says that the president is in good health and that this was simply routine. alex. >> okay. kelly o'donnell from the white house with that update. thank you for that. the trump tax fight, next up the supreme court. up next the key issues that
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could determine that high court case. then later, the record bull run on wall street. so how much longer can it last? so how much longer can it last
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the president and his legal team are making a last ditch effort to keep his financial footprints hidden from the public after two appeals courts rejected the president's request to reconsider cases they ruled against him. the president is now trying to take this fight to the supreme court, asking them to block the
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house's subpoena for his tax returns. joining me now msnbc legal contributor and trial lawyer katie phang and former federal prosecutors and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner. welcome to you both. katie, if the supreme court decides against this case, how long would it take for the returns to be turned over to congress and how likely is it the public would be able to see the president's tax returns? >> so great question, alex. let's be clear, there are two separate cases that trump is attempting to have heard by the supreme court of the united states, one of them deals with the subpoena served by the manhattan da's office cyrus vance that one trump has filed a petition and really it takes four supreme court justices, alex, to agree to even hear the case. now, what's currently pending and has yet to be filed as a petition is the case involving the house oversight committee's subpoenas that also was served on mazar's a third party
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accounting firm that has all of trump's personal and corporate tax returns. both subpoenas speech eight years of the financial returns. the one that deals with the house oversight committee's subpoenas is compelling in terms of timing. right now trump has asked the supreme court to enter what we call a stay, meaning please wait and tell mazar not to release the records until i get a chance to be able to file the petition. if the supreme court -- it takes five justices to agree -- says no to donald trump, next week, wednesday, november 20th which happens to be gordon sondland's testimony day that is when they will release eight years of the tax returns and underlying source documents. >> extraordinary. glenn, these justices, they have tried to avoid taking sides on this issue. if they decline to take up the case, how significant is that? >> it is very significant, alex, and because katie is much better with the details than i am, i'm going to pull back to 30,000 feet and try to do a 30-second
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constitutional law 101 class. so every year the supreme court gets about 7,000 requests to have cases reviewed. they only accept review in about 100 to 150 cases each year. there are basically two reasons, the supreme court would accept review of a case, one is the case presents unique constitutional questions that are maybe unresolved, so the supreme court feels compelled to accept review of that kind of case and resolve it. the other area where they accept review is when two federal circuit courts have decided the same or very similar issues in different ways such that we now have a conflict among the circuits so they will accept review of a case like that to resolve the conflict. this case presents either of those two issues. >> yeah. i'm thinking neither one fits.
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>> exactly. because, number one, richard nixon when he received a subpoena for his tapes said i'm the president, i'm above subpoenas, not susceptible to subpoenas, the supreme court said, wrong. bill clinton when he was sued and he was given a subpoena to sit for a deposition, he said, i'm the president, i'm above and not susceptible to subpoenas and the supreme court said, wrong. this issue has really been resolved already so i think 51% of me i'm going to hedge my bets, says that the supreme court will not accept review of this issue and as katie said that means hello tax returns. >> wow. wednesday would be a huge day. what do you, katie, think would be more damaging to this president, would it be the news wednesday of tax returns potentially or the impeachment inquiry continuing overall or even specific to just gordon sondland's testimony that you pointed out was happening that same day? >> they are not mutually exclusive.
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if i'm donald trump i have a day of reckoning that's coming either next week or maybe next year for the elections. so the impeachment inquiry will continue on its own, it is a train that is barreling forward, we have that as glenn and i talked about last hour the noose tightening on donald trump in terms of the revealing and the transparency of what happened with ukraine, but when it comes to these specific subpoenas, these are criminal investigations. frankly the one from the manhattan da deals with state laws, has to deal with the hush money payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. house oversight has to deal with ethics and government law, emoluments, disclosures, truth telling by trump. trump is only battling -- excuse me -- is not battle on only one front in the impeachment inquiry. if you thought the mueller investigation was bad enough for trump, there have been all of these slowly and surely developing litigation and cases that are ending up in court. i predict that the supreme court will grant the stay to allow trump to be able to file the petition, but then once again trump has to convince four supreme court justices to allow
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him to even have that case heard, but even if he ends up filing the petitions as glenn said the chances of it being heard, who knows? you know, trump is asserting, alex, this insane argument that he has absolute immunity from criminal investigations and no court has ever agreed with that. so i think trump is going to be hard pressed because he has lost every single step of the way. >> you guys are so great ironing things out. i just got a law 101 class from you both. thank you so much. new numbers out in iowa and the candidate who rocketed to the top. we will bring you right now breaking news from italy. that's where parts of the city of venice remain under water after the historic city suffered its worst floods in more than 50 years as we bring you live pictures. six foot high tide levels with immersing 85% of city streets and the buildings are forcing the closing of popular churches on this sunday, also shops, homes, lots to be concerned about there in the city of venice. more ahead. stay right there. of nivece more ahead stay right there make fitness routine with pure protein.
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now to the morning headlines. democratic governor john bel edwards narrowly wins a second term as louisiana governor beating republican challenger eddie rispone on saturday. his victory is considered by
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many to be a blow to the president who visited that state three times in five weeks to support rispone. edwards becomes the first democratic governor to win reelection in that state since the 1970s. frightening sounds there, five people are behind bars this morning in connection to a shooting at a new jersey high school football game friday night. panicked fans and players ran for cover when a gunman opened fire leaving three people opened. police say the shooting had nothing to do with that game and still working to determine a motive. is anybody in there? all right. >> extraordinary there, it's just released body cam footage showing how quick thinking police officers rescued a woman from a burning car in central virginia. that unconscious driver was pulled out moments before that vehicle became engulfed by flames. the woman is expected to make a full recovery. no word yet on what caused
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thursday's accident. let's go to candidates 2020, south bend indiana mayor pete buttigieg surging to first place in the latest iowa poll overtaking joe biden, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. buttigieg coming in with 25%, warren at 16, joe biden he has fallen to third now with 15 points. joining us from des moines is nbc campaign embed mara barrett. i know it's the second iowa poll with buttigieg now in first place. what is it about buttigieg that has him suddenly overtaking the previous, you know, always the consistent top three? >> reporter: good morning, alex. so i wanted to note this poll was conducted by the gold standard here in iowa. like you said, buttigieg has surged ahead above the front runners that we've seen and one of the things that this poll looks at is the ideologies of voters and caucus goers in iowa. a lot are looking for a more
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moderate candidate and are more leary of candidates with big change ideas and that would be of course elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. buttigieg commented and said pretty much that responding to reporters in california just after the poll came out late last night and here is what they told him. >> i think it serves us well that i am somebody who can speak for a part of the country where this president frankly stole a lot of democratic support, that i come from the middle class, that i work on the ground, not in washington, but in a community. and that i serve this country and can speak to foreign policy issues and to the importance of american credibility that has been at that time e tattered by. >> reporter: it's important to note that organization is key on the ground to have success in iowa and buttigieg has that. he has more than 100 staffers here, dozens of offices around the state and his volunteers are always outdoor knocking and getting people engaged. that's a key point to his success. it's also important to note
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buttigieg obviously has been struggling nationally with african-american voters and that doesn't really present here in iowa. while it's not a problem because of the low diversity rates here in iowa for him to do well in this first state come caucus time in february that could become a problem later for him down the line going through the general. >> when you look at these numbers you have the buttigieg factor, but what else stands out to you from these latest numbers? >> reporter: sure. so in this poll i think we really saw the actual tiers here, we of course have the top four in buttigieg, warren, biden and sanders. klobuchar stands out right in the middle, she doubled her support from the last iowa support poll, hitting 6% now, everyone else falls at 3%, 1% and even lower than that. the changes in the structure here stand out to me especially because you see warren and biden slipping. while biden and sanders are tied for third, sanders rose 4% from the last september poll. >> maura, thank you so much.
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i'm sure we will see you again. tomorrow morning the dow jones will be opening at its highest level in history, capping off, rather, a year of record breaking gains. the dow jumping more than 200 points to top 28,000 on friday. that happened about four months after it hit the 27,000 mark. the numbers raising questions about whether the boone can last and what it means for the economy as we head into the next year. sibile marcellus is joining me now. let's look at these numbers with the dow jumping this week. this was after white house economic adviser larry kudlow indicated the u.s. is close to a trade deal with china, but we've not seen numbers like this before. things have really not happened on that front on the trade front of substance that we can bank on, if you will. so is this all about headlines? >> yes, it's a very headline driven market. so remarkable performance there when it comes to the stock market, as you said, alex, we saw the dow reach an all time high of 28,000, just about four months since it reached the
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previous record of 27,000, plus you also have the nasdaq and the s&p 500 who also reached all time highs. so this is fantastic for investors, they are making a lot of money, but the thing is it's all about the trade war with china. that's what investors really are sensitive to and that's what they really would like to see. so before friday -- before white house economic adviser larry kudlow gave some positive signs about us possibly reaching a trade deal with china, before the reports were pretty sciffy, it was like on the rocks in terms of, well, china may not be willing to make the agricultural purchases that it promised, also the location of where president trump and the chinese president would actually sign this deal is also up in the air. so the fact that larry kudlow came out and said that there's positive development really boosted the stock market and that's why we saw these record highs. >> so, look, americans listen to these numbers, they're thinking, wow, great news, but is the bubble going to burst at some
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point and if that happens, what happens to 401(k)s and investments? >> yes, so if the bubble bursts that's bad news for everybody, especially if you have your 401(k)s, but when you hear fed chair jerome powell talk about the economy, he's speaking positively. he's saying there's going to be moderate growth, he doesn't think there's going to be a bubble that's going to burst at least for now. the fed cut interest rates three times since the 2008 financial crisis as a kind of insurance against a recession. but fed chair powell has said that if the economy were to go south, don't look at him to be able to save the economy. he wants to look at washington. he's saying, they're going to have to get their act together and actually come up with fiscal policy to help the u.s. committee. >> sibile marcellus giving us the news we need to know financially. thank you for that. i want to get everyone back to the breaking news from italy, that's where parts of the city of venice remain under water after this historic city has suffered its worst floods in more than 50 years. joining me now from london nbc's
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morgan chesky. pretty remarkable pictures. what's the latest from there? >> alex, a tough scene playing out in venice as we speak because, again, this week that water continuing to rise as you can see from this live feed. the tide coming in today expected to be just over 5 feet. that means it's not going to top that 6 foot surge that moved in on tuesday, but as you can see it's still going to be very significant and flooding has been a major issue all week long. as a result of these floods two people have died in venice. one man struck by lightning while operating a president trump trying to keep things dry and another body found inside a home there. people all day long that have been in venice, tourists, doing their best to get out on water taxi and get back to the mainland because we don't see this water receding for at least another day or two. st. mark's a classic iconic spot in venice vil closed, still under water at this time. the italian government facing a long road ahead.
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they have designated $22 million to help people recover from this, but personal claims will be tapped out at $5,000, a drop in the bucket when you see some of the damage that's been caused, upwards of a billion dollars that's just at this point in time. seasonal flooding is an issue in venice but the problem has become the freak yensy of it. on tuesday we were saying this is the worst flooding since the '60s, now we have another event happening today that's going to be nearly just as bad. so right now the mayor of venice taking to social media calling on the world, really, to announce that he's opened up a bank account so that people all over the world can donate to help the city in their long road of recovery a that he had because as you can see right now this water still very much there, venice while it is -- portions of the while can go under water at any given point in time following a major storm, it's certainly not to this degree and that's why tourism is definitely taking a hit there, while people who live there are really just forced to sit and
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wait this out, alex. well a tough break for venetians at this point in time. they're used to see some of this, but the frequency and the severity of it certainly new to the folks who live there. >> it's really heart breaking for those of you who have been there and love the historic significance of that city and its beauty. but on a practical level you're absolutely right. morgan chesky, it's rough times there in venice. thank you for the update from london. coming up at the top of the hour we have "up" with david do you remember ra. what's in store for us this morning? >> obviously a ton to talk about when it comes to impeachment, those brand-new transcripts, the closed door testimony yesterday and a big week of open hearings set to begin. we will dig deep into all of that. another big story this week, the supreme court weighing whether or not the daca program is legal, that's the subject of arguments at the supreme court. actor cal pen will join us, the creator of a new show about the immigrant experience. he worked for president obama at the white house as well. we're also going to look ahead to the next debate, the
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"washington post" debate on wednesday with keshia lance bottom the mayor of atlanta where the became is going to take place, also a supporter of joe biden's candidacy, going to ask her about that big news out of iowa this morning that pete buttigieg is the front runner in a major poll there. the former vice president he is in fourth place. >> isn't that extraordinary. >> it is. >> that will be an interesting question to ask, i will be listening for the answer, david. thank you. coming up next, a new poll on what americans think of the impeachment inquiry and insights from a historian who predicted both the president's win in the election and his impeachment. also a programming note for all of you, on wednesday msnbc and the "washington post" host the next democratic debate, it will be live from atlanta as david was saying, our moderators will be asking the top ten candidates what voters need to know with now less than three months until the first votes are cast. that is wednesday, 9:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. that is wednesday, 9:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. what does help for heart failure look like?
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back to the impeachment inquiry. now today is day 55, support for impeachment pretty stable after last week's public hearings, the latest reuters poll finds 44% supporting impeachment, 40% against. joining me is alan likt man a historian who has correctly predicted every election since 1984 and who well before inquiry began predicted the impeachment of president trump which remains to be seen the extent which which he will be impeached.
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absolutely fascinating because you predict this had impeachment. give me context in terms of how long ago you did this, why then, and does it now seem inevitable to you? >> i actually predicted donald trump's impeachment the very same time i predicted his election in a september 2016 "washington post" interview. we're talking more than three years ago. how was i able to predict impeachment? because i had studied donald trump's entire career and here is what i learned, this was someone who had no respect for the law whatsoever, who had repeatedly flouted the law starting with his real estate company discriminating against minorities way back in the early 1970s. this was someone who had no regard for the truth or even for reality. this was someone who had spent his entire life enriching himself, promoting his own brand
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and caring for nobody else. those traits i believed would inevitably lead him to crash against law, morality and the proper role of the president once he was elected. impeachment is now inevitable. the democrats would never have taken it this far. we know how cautious nancy pelosi is without actually voting articles of impeachment in the full house, the only question is the scope and content of those articles. >> so the way you describe donald trump there, it's pretty damning, particularly for those, republicans in particular, who believe that perhaps when he assumed the mantel of the presidency and got behind the desk in the oval office he would change. how do you account for those people who saw what you see, which many people had clamored
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and said this is the donald trump we are about to elect. how do you account for them passing their votes to him? >> you know, people see what they want to see, but the reason i predicted donald trump's victory had nothing to do with donald trump, it had to do with the fact that based on my system, the 13 keys to the white house. i discerned this was a change election and any generic republican would win. >> fascinating. and, listen, honestly you've been right for so many decades now we have to listen to what you say. also the reuters impeachment poll, reuters i'm sis, it finds that 76% of democrats support impeaching the president, 40% of independents and 40% of republicans. how does this compare to the tenor around richard nixon's impeachment? >> there are some critical lessons here. democrats, are you listening? the nixon model shows you cannot
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put a time limit on impeachment. the nixon investigation started out by looking into the watergate burglary and look what else they found over time. illegal campaign contributions, illegal wire taps, illegal break-ins, illegal efforts to rig elections. second big lesson is you've got to look at the whole picture. nixon was twisted and paranoid, but unlike trump he was a policymaker particularly with breakthroughs abroad. look at the big context for trump, his ego-driven, politically-driven foreign policy that we've seen in the ukraine has made a mess all over the world, nato in shambles, losing our leadership in climate change just as the crisis is barreling down on us, russia dominant in syria, iran building nukes. look at the big picture. >> yeah. do you, allan, envision a
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scenario where trump is removed from office and while i'm fairly certain you are not ready to predict who will win the election can you tell me if you think he will be reelected? >> i'm not ready to predict this election yet, but i can tell you that the democrats by finally growing a spine and moving forward on a pretty clear impeachment, as your guests have made abundantly clear, have helped themselves because one of my 13 keys to the white house is the scandal key. when donald trump becomes only the third american president to be impeached by the full house, that scandal key will have flipped against him and diminished his chances for reelection. >> which we should point out the difference is that bill clinton had the impeachment during his second term in office. >> and the democrats lost in 2000 in an election they otherwise should have easily won. it was the impeachment that sunk the democrats in 2000 at a time of peace, prosperity,
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now in recent years, both the legislative and judicial branches i think have been responsible for encroaching on the president's constitutional authority. immediately after president trump won election, opponents in gnawing rated what they called the resistance. instead of viewing themselves as the loyal opposition, as opposing parties have done in this country for over 200 years, they essentially see themselves as engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government. >> attorney general bill barr defending president trump as he accuses democrats of undermining the rule of law in a fiery speech before a conservative legal group. governor, welcome. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> a.g. barr may not have specifically mentioned
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impeachment, but these comments come as an inquiry has taken central focus in d.c. i'm curious as to your reactions that two branches of government are encroaching on the president's constitutional authority. how do you read it? >> something has happened to bill barr. he used to be a good, straight, stand-up guy who he was a.g. somebody persuaded him that the president's authority is absolutely limbless, which is not the scheme of the american constitution. somebody persuaded donald trump that he can do anything he wants under article 2. i'm afraid the person who persuaded of that might have been none other than our attorney general bill barr. >> he is someone who consistently attacks the left and perhaps does exactly as you have outlined there. but it also comes as republicans have been attacking the process of the ongoing impeachment inquiry, calling it highly partisan. how do you view it? >> that's just a shell game. this impeachment is making it so
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clear that the president operating outside the law, in fact, against the law, and he operates outside the truth and against the truth. he has ordered high-ranking officials in his own administration to lie, commit perju perjury, destroy documents and he will stop at nothing to advance his own personal and financial interests as we saw in the ukraine incident. it is exactly what the founding fathers were scared of and why they put the removal power in the constitution. >> as you began on the impeachment staff during the 1974 impeachment against richard nixon, you contributed to the constitutional grounds for presidential impeachment, that report. and worked on researching whether impoundment of
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appropriated funds was an impeachable offense. so based on this experience, from your constitutional perspective, are the circumstances surrounding the president impeachable from the evidence that you have seen emerge? and if so, what's the breach, does it fit into the high crimes and misdemeanors or prescribrib category? >> it fits into all the above. i would say president trump is 10 times above mr. nixon was. he was among us, one of us. donald trump is not among us. he is now predicting openly a civil war if he is not re-elected. so he seems to be now not content merely to try to divide the country but to tear it apart. now, i recently reread "cry the beloved country" about how that regime tore apart the society. and the extremity of mr. trump's
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actions and predictions and antics these days almost makes it look as though they would be gleeful to tear the country apart. it is beyond divisiveness. >> may i ask you in a one-word answer whether the win by john bel edwards is more about trump or politics, do you think? >> completely about trump. it is a rejection of the president's three visits there. >> governor, thank you so much. good to see you. new transcripts, new testimony in the past 24 hours. significant moments in the impeachment saga playing out at the top of the hour. the top of the hour. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance
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