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around the administration on left and right. >> carol, cornell, danielle, happy friday. that's all we have tonight. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press" on nbc. we have a lot going on. we have adam schiff, roger wicker and the gps fusion founders behind the steel dossier. the beat with ari melber starts now. tonight donald trump agonizing the white house on edge. the impeachment walls and very real ways are coming crashing down. we begin with breaking news. tonight, we can report adam schiff says his committee is beginning work on its report laying out the facts for a potential impeachment gathering evidence. a blue print for what would be the facts on ukraine for any articles of impeachment, more depositions and hearings are
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possible. the evidence assembled has been damming. donald trump feeling tormented and even quote, miserable about where things are headed. he finds it quote, intolerable to deal with this, the new york times reporting. donald trump implicated in an international bribery extortion plot. >> mr. rudy giuliani, mr. pompeo, secretary perry, bryan mccormick, and mr. mulvaney senior adviser. ambassad ambassador taylor, volker, every one was in the loop. >> every one in the loop. every one put on blast. every one accused under oath. if this seems like a big and unusual deal, a watergate level thing, it is. they are scrambling. if you were put on blast like that. if you were accused by a colleague, if your e malgs we-m
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provided, whether or not you marched down and testify, you would want the clear this up. do you have to deny the bribery allegations, right? this is new. take a look at secretary of state pompeo and how he's dealing with it. >> mr. secretary -- >> you've heard of non-denial denials. that's just no denial whateverso ever. perry did go on fox news. he's making a different claim and we want to play this because there's always if there is a claim, if there a denial, if there's something, well, we got to hear it. you got to hear it. we'll play it for you. i have to know what you're about to hear was already contradicted under both by ambassador sondland. >> not once, not once was the name burisma or the bidens mentioned to me. not be the president, not by
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rudy giuliani or gordon sondland. >> president trump wanted a public statement from president zelensky committing to investigations of burisma and the 2016 election. >> mr. perry was not sworn in under oath before his fox news interview. you have number one chief of staff mulvaney who has bobbed and weaved so much that we have named a maneuver after him when you go full mulvaney. after first admitting to the plot x we do it all the time, get over it. he walked it back. his attorney says he has no idea why impeachment witness believes he have heavily involved. maybe it's because he was involved. let's roll it. >> i was involved with the process by which the money was held up temporarily.
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>> tiepts, tonight we do not he a public timeline for the impeach. vote but we do know that there are questions that are not going away for donald trump or these top people. their interests may continue to diverge. we get into it right now with a very special friday night guest. we have been tracking this all week. i appreciate you making time as our kick off expert guest tonight on the beat. with that, your view of the type of person in the role you used to report to. the secretary of state. not so much as lifting a sentence of denial. >> very striking.
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like you just said. if you have nothing to hide then just come testify, make a statement. you just named two of them, pompeo, mulvaney said they were involved. we should know what their involvement was. i want to say that none of them are actually taking on any of the facts that you and i and several others have been listening for now two weeks. not a single one of them has disputed the basic facts here. i think as we come to the end of a long week that is what's most striking to me. >> josh, you follow this closely looking at the big picture. substantively and on the evidence, what jumps out to you about the whole week and the evidence that's come out. >> the evidence was so overwhelming. it's a funny scandal.
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it's almost like an inverted scandal. it starts with the little people and the investigators are trying to push it up to the person in the center. are they going to be able to do that and tie it to the president or the senator or whoever the primary person is. this one was weird since it started with a people call it a not exactly transcript, sort of a transcript. >> notes. >> of the president saying it. we started at the top. it's almost been this weird thing of not how high will it go but how low will it go. the best you i can say for the president after the could you rephrase this week, does the story look dramatically different. he admitted to everything and said it was awesome. >> i would push you on that and says it looks exhausitively worse. he's so unreliable as a narrater that you could do the defense in
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the john edwards case where you say may you hate this guy and it's terrible but it doesn't add up to the way it looks. that doesn't work. we have john malcolm who was a witness on the obstruction hearings last night and part of the defense he made which is a good faith valid defense if it were true was, this was all about a legitimate investigation not going after the bidens. if true, whether you like donald trump or not, if true, that might be a decent defense. to your point, trump marched out on the white house lawn and said i was hoping they would go after the bidens. >> he never mentioned corruption in any of these calls. one of the things to your point that's come out in the last couple of weeks is it's clear they didn't really care whether you investigated or not. they just wanted you to say it on camera which means it was not actually about corruption or anything substantive. it was a political move. i agree with you. we know more but at the same
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time we basically knew that we -- we knew the 30,000 foot view almost on day one. it was plausible up until wednesday maybe they didn't know they said sondland threw every one under the bus. not really. his memory got shaky when there didn't seem to be fact witnesses, other conversations but he chained every one to his body, basically. >> absolutely. >> if he's under the bus, everybody gets dragged with him. >> i want to show this e-mail that he brought which is new evidence. we're all familiar with the bad apples defense, right, sir? >> yes. >> you could also call it the
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bad bananas defense. you have one or two rotten baa that -- bananas. you take them out of the bunch. anyone who is good at making banana bread know you want a bit of a rotten banana, at least brown. this is, i would call it, the banana bread phase of the theory because it's all rotten bananas. it's all rotten apples. the whole thing is rotten and he brought the e-mails to prove it. i'll show you the simple one. i'm going to ask you have you ever in your work seen in the national security policy, we'll read from this. zelensky will assure trump on the call that he intends to run the biden investigation. you get the response. i've asked the national security council to set up the call from mall va kn
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mulvaney. pompeo is on there. have you ever seen this? >> of course not. i think that's important to remember. one of the arguments we heard over the last couple of weeks. he's the president, he gets to decide foreign policy and these career people should get in line or get out of the way. let's be clear, this had nothing to do with foreign policy, nothing to do with national security or the interest of the american people. the president is also a public ser servant. this was all about his private interest. public office used for private interest. there's one more part that i think is important that was not in the original call that also came out just clear as day especially in the last couple of days. he withheld military assistance to get his quid pro quo, to get his help to win the election with the kun trcountry at war. i was thinking about what would be the analogy. it would be like fdr saying winston i really want to help you out while you're fighting
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that war but can you do me this favor. then i'll lift the military assistance. that's the national security -- >> i'll hand you the mike back. what you're saying is that's how extortion works. donald trump might not be skilled at everything but his business career and life shows he does find the weakness. he found the weakness that ukraine needed and that's where he focused in. >> that's right. it's with both. zelensky is brand new president. he's a comedian. he needs that meeting. there's leverage there. then the military assistance he's fighting a war. that's why this impeach. he hearing is about national security. >> this is pretty interesting. the house is gathering it. we're in a place tonight where you have experts and thought leaders that will continue to
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hear and maybe make up their minds. take reagan white house veteran peggy nrz unan. she joined us two weeks ago with great skepticism for the schiff probe. >> you can't help but wonder in this case somebody isn't being set up for a fall. for instance, adam schiff looks like a partisan guy. >> he is partisan. >> okay, well. >> what do you mean he looks like? he's a democrat. >> i understand that. i don't think it does us any good to make believe that the president is the only one who ever does some wrong here. >> on the eve of the hearings, that where miss nunan started with skepticism.
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does the evidence makes any difference. here is how it moved her. let me read her new peace. trump's deferndss have no defense. almost everything in the hearing backed up the charge that trump muscled ukraine for political gain pointing out no one is really making the serious case that trump wouldn't do something like this bribery because trump himself, as we just discussed, made so many comments in public. she rite writhes twrites the ca that you left the senate will be left doing throughout a trial. >> it's a very weird situation because this gets into this question of should they do more witness, should they move forward? if you were looking at did president trump do this, the evidence is truly overwhelming. there's no affirmative defense. the people who could conceivably exonerate the president, he refuses to let them talk. it's sort of hard -- >> what does it mean -- that's a
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conservative place. that's the fox news of the print world and that's their headline and you can't impugn this reagan aide very recently was not looking to come to this position but she did. >> i think it's clear the so lidty of fox news, the journal editorial page, various conservative opinion leaders has a massive effect here. we have seen how one day your conservative opinion leader and the next day you're never trump and you're showing up on msnbc. people get red out. it's trump's party. when you cease to support trump, you're ideology, you worked for reagan. >> that gets -- i hear you. tha i thought it was striking. josh, i want you to stick around. ambassador mcfall thank you for your service tonight, this week and in general. coming up, there's more evidence on rudy giuliani's role
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report that could lay the foundation of what trump could be impeached for. this comes after the most consequential week. we want to look at what we learned. this week we heard from witness after witness taking the oath, taking the questions, millions watching around america. every one learning a lot more detail about what witnesses say was not a shadow policy but the policy. a bribery scheme that has ensnared basically all of trump's top national security officials. >> mr. rudy giuliani, president trump, secretary pompeo, secretary perry, bryan mccormick, miss kenna, chief of staff mulvaney and his senior add visor, ambassador taylor and volker, every one was in the loop. >> that's phrase you'll hear over and over. that person not fired for saying
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that under oath. his colleague, his boss, secretary pompeo. a key witness who has not spoken is john bolton. warning he does have the quote back story coming and stay tuned. this also got a little weird with bolton accusing trump of blocking his personal twitter account. that's why they wouldn't give him access. that is and i'm going to be get into this ir relevant because he can come out and speak out. bolton warned her about rudy giuliani as a hand grenade. >> i had also brought to ambassador bolton's attention the attacks, the smear campaign. ambassador bolton looked pain, basically indicated with body language there was nothing much we could do about it. he then in the course of that
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discussion said that rudy giuliani was a hand grenades that was going to blow every one up. he was frequently on television making remarks about every one involved in this. he was clearly pushing forward issues and ideas that would probably come back to haunt us and i think that's where we are today. >> that's where we are today. said in that clipped diplomatic precision. those remarks would haunt us and they are. the hand grenade going off. also something very important. consider this as the first time we have ever gotten significant context about what bolton was concerned about in his very serious accusation that mulvaney was cook up a drug deal. >> specific instruction was that i had to go to the lawyers to john eisenburg to basically say you tell eisenburg that i'm not
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part of this whatever drug deal that mulvaney and sondland are cooking up. >> what did you understand him to mean by the drug deal they are cooking up? >> i took it to mean investigations for a meeting. >> did you go speak to the lawyers? >> i did. >> she certainly did. when you hear about a drug deal, you talk to the lawyers. you had this explosive testimony. you have trump's million dollar donor turned ambassador blowing the lids off everything and saying we do crime. we do quid pro quo bribely and rudy giuliani is the person running the point. >> was there a quid pro quo? the answer is yes. i followed the directions of the president. we did not want to work with mr. rudy giuliani. simply put, we were playing the hand we were dealt. mr. rudy giuliani's requests
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were a quid pro quo for arranging a white house visit for president zelensky. every one was in the loop. it was no secret. >> but it was a secret to every one else. no skreecret within the administration or maybe this was considered business as usual. the secret is out and it's damning. if the trump defense is he never asked for a quid pro quo, where does this leave the guy at the center according to people testifying under oath, rudy giuliani? what will he do? today his indicted associate issuing warning to call him to testify. lev parnas representative saying trump knowingly interarcting wih him is beyond ka very well and he has hard evidence. we don't know if this is up to the bar where congress wants to make another hearing out of it. rudy giuliani emerging from what had been quite a notable tv
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exile. right after this testimony pointing at him accusing him of yes doing crime. he went over to glen beck's show and denies ever discussing, this is rich, ever discussing the military money that was frozen for ukraine. >> did you ever indicate to volker, taylor, sondland or anyone else that the aid was conditional? >> i never actually discussed the aid with them, glenn. >> okay. >> the reality is that whole issue of military aid didn't come up until after i finished the assignment they gave me. i never discussed military aid with them. >> new york times reports rudy giuliani did discuss it. parnas claimed rudy giuliani ordered him to deliver a message
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to u ykraine officials in may. announce the investigation or you get your money frozen. trump's lawyer asked about running the shadow foreign policy. >> the testimony today was that you were commune indicating with the ukrainians would you tell us anybody's knowledge in the state. you were running a shadow foreign policy. >> right. >> i take it by your laugh that's not true. >> no. no. >> you can't laugh under oath and have it count and as an answer. the testimony here goes well beyond the bad thing of shadow foreign policy. says it was a worst thing, official. official trump administration foreign policy. let that sink in. it's been a long week. that's one of the most damning things. we have been talking about it a lot because it's one of the most important accusations to date. not bad apples but a whole pile of rotten apples with every one
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taking rudy giuliani's cues on ukraine. >> now, isn't it also true that some of president trump's most senienior advisers informed him this theory of ukraine int interference was false? >> that's correct. >> is it your understanding that president trump disregarded the advice of his senior officials about this theory and listened to rudy giuliani's views? >> that appears to be the case. >> rudy giuliani admitting he's talk to you kran yans about the whole thing that launched this problem. >> you have direct evidence about -- >> rudy. >> about the bribery, collusion. >> you gave. >> massive pay for play multi-million dollar scheme and it is an absolutely travesty of justice. >> you give me their names and i will go and bring the story.
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>> i will give you their names. >> it's not only of interest to gl glenn beck. adam schiff and nysd prosecutors may want the names. the president was holding on the same conspiracy theory. >> they have the server from the dnc. >> who has the server? >> the fbi went in and told them get out of here. we're not giving it to you. they gave the server to crowd strike or whatever it's called which is a company owned by very wealthy ukrainian. i still want to see that server. the fbi has never gotten that server. that's a big part of this whole thing. why did they give it to a ukrainian company. >> are you sure they did that? >> that's what the word is. >> we have our own word. david corn is here back on the beat in person. we'll get into all of it when we're back in 30 seconds. of it
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we're back in 30 seconds are you willing to testify and be the first hand evidence that a lot of these senators are looking for? >> i have no comment. if you'll please excuse me. >> john bolton, brand new, momentin moments ago at union station. this puts him in a pickle as well as everything we just laid out in introducing you. a lot of evidence and mr. bolton
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is one of the people holding back. he and rudy giuliani would be interesting to hear from, no? >> and mick mulvaney. fp you think about this as organized crime organize. you have the guy at the top, that's donald trump. then you ever a few people underneath him. rudy giuliani, go talk to rudy. mick mulvaney who said i was part of this and get over it. they are like the next rank down. very different positions. below them are the gordon sondland, ambassador taylor who were more on the ground level. we haven't gotten anyone from that next down level of authority in whatever this scheme was. any one of them could be quite illuminating. john bolton just signed a
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lucrative book deal. he will be selling whatever story he has. i would think anyone who considered himself an american patriot would get out there and say listen, i know america is torn up over this. i can tell you what i know about this. >> i think there are other pres de -- pres dents that run against mr. boltson. mr. comey has been criticized for the publicity. when he does the publicity and the books and the money it's after having cooperated. mr. bolton is refusing to cooperate and mr. rudy giuliani will only cooperate with certain media interviews. not our request thus far. he's welcome to come in and state his case and have it taken seriously. i want to play gordon sondland pointing the figure at giuliani. i'm curious of your view of giuliani who appears closer to
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indictment than anyone else. take a look. >> that issue is something that arises with every country. he holds up aid and he makes them justify it. and with the country like ukraine, where a lot of the aid is stolen, we would have been ir responsible not holding it up. >> was there a quid pro quo? the answer is yes. i followed the directions of the president. we did not want to work with mr. giuliani. simply put, we were playing the hand we were dealt. mr. giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a white house visit for president zelensky. >> there it is. he is the witness against both giuliani and president donald trump. he made it very clear, i was sitting five yards away from him
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when he did that. it was expected that he would say that. still, in public to hear an ambassador who had been deputized by trump to go beyond his circle of authority to arrange an operation to muscle another country to get information that could be used to maybe throw the 2020 election was stunning. i think it does put rudy giuliani in the hot seat. we know from the may 23rd meeting when they go to trump and they there's a new leader in the ukraine. we got to work with him. we think you guys could be best buds. you're really going to like this guy and he goes, i don't like ukrainians. you talk to rudy. rudy knows what i want. that's my addition to the statement. why would you do that? why would you do that unless you want these guys the take advice
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that's outside the normal channel to get something for donald trump? it is the way a secretive and sometimes criminal organization works. the guy at the top doesn't tell you to do what's wrong. he goes, you talk to tony. he knows what i need to get done. >> as you say it's a consciousness of guilty that sondland is willing to nail donald trump for which is a fascinating development. anyone who said you seen it all before, you haven't seen this. what they do with it is the open question. thank you for being here. ahead, we'll break down other key impeachment points and what they reveal and a monumental self-own by lindsey graham. we'll show you with the receipts and a programming note. there's so much impeachment news that we have a new sunday night special, 9:00 p.m. eastern. covering so much of the historic action. two political investigations he believe would help his re-election campaign. was a basic quid pro quo.
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>> i want nothing. i want no quid pro quo. >> was there a quid pro quo? the answer is yes. >> what i heard was inappropriate. >> whatever drug deal that mulvaney and sondland is cooking up. >> they get the call. they get the meeting. they get the money. >> that's their objection. not that the president engaged in this conduct but that he got caught. aged in this conduct but that he got caught ahhhh! giving one. the lexus december to rembember sales event lease the 2020 nx 300 for $329 a month for 27 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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but i was irritated with him and angry with him that he wasn't fully coordinating. i did say ambassador, i think this is all going to blow up and here we are. >> your view of the power of her evidence and the much noticed rigor and seriousness of her delivery. >> dr. hill is a witness that i don't think any republican up there expected to see and for that matter many democrats. he is measured. she is direct and she is clear. she is not somebody who we have seen in the past. i don't recall or that might be right. she took notes and laid out the case leaving nothing else including this moment where she realized, the reason you're not coordinating with me, the reason you're looping me off of e-mails is you're doing something shady over there. >> we hear a lot about notes. like relax and take notes. this is something the people who aren't hiding seem to do. as you say the other people want to say, gordon sondland want to
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go off the books and say it was formal policy. it seem like it was both. >> definitely. she was operating as national security professional in her position. sondland gave the guy a million dollars and wound up in his. that comes through in the performances there week. what we have from dr. hill is explicit awareness and she said she thinks it's going to blow up and here we are today as a result of these actions. >> these diplomats that were derided by rush limbaugh as the professional nerds. somehow out to nerds and being professional. just means you ever a job. >> what a rare thing. >> was the idea that the public campaign could be against the public servants. i wonder of what you think of that playing so well. in way the ones who stood out like hill and vindman.
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they stood out at times individually but then when you bro bro broaden it out, i don't think if they will be remembered individually in a year. it was about how they collectively day in and diet usually behind the scenes do the work of national security and the government. these folks came in and tried to turn that upside down and get them to do crime. >> that's exactly right. it's explicitly clear in these career diplomats who have come forward is the fact they serve the united states of america. they put their oath first. they are not beholden to trump or republicans. they are beholden to the american public as citizens, as patriots. that came through every step of the way and their ability to come forward with this crystal clear memory.
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some other news out of washington tonight. senator lindsey graham says he will advance what could amount to the kind of potential corrupt investigation of the bidens that
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donald trump was trying to out source to ukraine. graham says that in his role as the chairman of the senate judiciary committee he will now probe the bidens demanding state department turn over the documents about them, ukraine, the whole thing. we should note that donald trump's state department has been defying similar requests and even yes subpoenas from the house. this sets up a very interesting conflict over whether there's selective cooperation that could become evidence against donald trump in his own impeachment. you heard that right. this move of graham going after biden is very interesting for one other reason beyond the obviously substantive problem of whether he's potentially abusing committee powers. consider how graham, we dug this up for you, has been so e fusive about how he loves and respects his good old friend joe biden. >> if you can't admire joe biden
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as a person, you got a problem. you need to do some self-evaluation because what's not to like? he's the nicest person i think i've met in politics. he's as good a man as god ever created. >> as good a plan as god ever created. now in a very obviously rankly hypocrite cal move to try to protect donald trump and distract and give any whiff of legitimacy to the inept, corrupt plot at the heart of impeachment probe graham appears to be buddying up with giuliani going after a biden smear. this is another instance of graham reversing himself on the issues that he used to claim wasn't about party, it was about principle. that's true on the grave matter on his history of impeachment. >> members of the senate have said i understand everything there is about this case and i won't vote to impeach the president. please allow the facts to do the
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talking. >> i'm not going to read these transcripts. the whole process is a joke. i don't care what they presume. >> can we let the facts do the talking? can mr. graham talk that talk anymore. now he doesn't care about the facts from the patriots and the soldiers and the people sworn in to the committees that are of his employer, the congress? there is a reason that someone would say things that make himself look bad. it's clearly because the facts even as mr. graham very recently said the kind of facts that might move him, well, the facts have over taken senator graham. >> if you could show me that trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo outside the phone call that would be very disturbing. >> was there a quid pro quo? as i testified previously with regard to the white house call and the white house meeting, the
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and we have the progressive writer and journalist josh marshal, he's been profiled by "the new york times," l.a. times and columbia journalism review for individual journalism, it's true. and comedian and friend of "the beat" including star talk radio, the serious and intense. thanks for being here, guys. do you have an impeachment fall back? >> ques, i i want the republicans who won't let the witnesses talk to fall back. they've got this thing where they're taking up the whole time and the witness is like -- and they're like zip it. zip it everybody, right? even schiff had to get in. >> you're good at this kind of investigative questioning. you solicit and elicit answers that help. if you're bad you just use a lot of time. i had to get to something that
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obviously piqued my ears but a lot of people ears. the indication that asap rocky during these hearings, we're going to show you some of the hearings and the cultural response. >> we primarily discussed asap rocky. >> a sap rocky. >> asap rocky. >> you can tell the kardashians you tried. >> something we've not gotten to much at all in our entire day of coverage is asap rocky. >> that helped jog the memory today. >> does this mean we can officially call this track featuring asap rocky. >> what's my name? >> asap rocky. >> what's my name? >> asap rocky. >> i mean, chuck, can't they leave asap rocky out of this? and the reason it kept coming up was, a, the president was obsessed with his case to try to impress celebrities and, b, mr. sondland made the here to for
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brand new recollection defense the reason he got the call it wasn't notable and when people heard asap rocky -- >> i think it was holmes that sa said, a-s-a-p rocky. that's his business name. >> the government name. and here's the other thing and i guess for ask for this, but in the streets you know what i'm saying, in the newsroom people started coming up to me and said okay are there asap rocky lyrics that apply and the answer is of course there are. on praise the lord, one of his most famous songs he says i came i saw, i take what's mine, i take some more. i came i saw, i break the law. i praise the lord, shout out to game plans, shout out to escape
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plans. and gordon had a game plan which was defend trump and it turned into an escape plan which was throw him under the bus. >> that's right. and guess what, apparently sondland was listening to asap rocky very closely and taking his advice. because we all know if he didn't, who was going to be the fall guy for this thing? so good for him. >> it's a reminder in all seriousness to keep it real, and wasn't it a-s-a-p rocky. do you have anything else on your fall back? >> i was going to go with foreign-born naturalized citizen patriots, you know? people who weren't born here but come here and make the rest of us look bad by devoting their entire life and service to our country. >> so fall back to people who say just because they came from somewhere else they're not -- >> absolutely. >> it really illustrated this is why the united states always needs a fresh flow of immigrants who are committed to american
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values, because the native born, there's a lot of them who want to betray american values. so you've got to kind of offset those people. >> they don't care nearly as much. these are true patriots. and there's a lot of people who think patriotism means you hug the flag like you're tenderly making love to america. >> it's a fine line between hugging the flag and rubbing the flag. >> and you know what i don't want to go anywhere near that line for some reason. i got a feeling if i went near that line i'm going to end up not invited back. >> if it's too far for the comedian guest how far has it gone? another person on a lot of peoples fall back list is john bolton. brand new. take a quick look. >> are you willing to testify and be the first-hand evidence that a lot of these seniors are
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looking for? >> i have no comment. now, if you'll please excuse me. >> no comment except on twitter he's basically promoting, quote, the backstory, stay tuned. the worst named follow-up season of bribery, apprentice season 8. is this hypocritical, josh? >> it's weird. it's ridiculous. like -- like one or the other. but don't be going on twitter and saying, hey, guess what, it's coming? i've got the big thing, it's coming in a minute. dude, what are you talking about? are you actually going to make the country wait for a book? >> are you excited for his netflix special? >> if it's going to be a standup special, yes, i am. but listen, trump says read the transcript, bolton says read the book because that's what he's about right now. >> and meanwhile his own deputies taking great risk to
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testify, and he's a no-show. >> it's like i was going to say too clever by half, but it's like five times around by half. i almost kind of wonder whether the sort of -- it's going to be the one thing that kind of unifies everybody from both sides. dude, what is your problem? >> i'll say in closing thanks to you both. and i will say at the end of this week are the impeachment hearings. we can at least tell the kardashians we tried. thank you for watching "the beat." "hardball" starts now. coming up next, articles of impeachment. let's play hardball. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. like the police tracing a sidewalk crime scene, the house intel committee has drawn a human portrait of an


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