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the stage set for the next phase of the impeachment inquiry. a big question this morning, will the white house represent itself? as the judiciary committee pencils in the date for the first public hearing, it's waiting to hear back about that invitation extended. also, some new revelations this morning surrounding the very issue at the heart of the impeachment investigation, the timeline of the president's decision to withhold aid from ukraine. and another major shift in the 2020 race. one of the top candidates has taken a nose dhooif indive in a national poll. another candidate on cleanup duty this morning. with less than a week to go before the next big impeachment hearing, a decision will have to be made over whether an attorney representing president trump will show up. i'm joined from the white house by nbc's hans nichols, on capitol hill nbc's leigh ann
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caldwell. and with me onset, josh letterman. we'll start with you, hans. does the white house plan to send a representative to this judiciary committee hearing? >> they're reviewing nadler's letter. they need to make a decision on whether or not they want to focus on process or substance. there's a bit of a hint from the white house that they think the process argument is cutting in their favor. in that statement we have, grisham refers to it as a i illegitimate sham process. they're looking at some of the public polling out there, some of the private polling. they're insisting they're winning this argument in the states that actually matter. you saw the president give a full-throated defense of himself at his rally in florida. officials close to the campaign, they think florida is still in their column, no longer a battleground state. they see that in a lot of the
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places they think they need to win to be re-elected in 2020. so they've got -- the deadline is sunday that nadler has given them. so to make a decision whether or not they'll appear on wednesday, let's be clear the white house has blown through a lot of deadlines, whether or not that's with congress or courts, i wouldn't look at that sunday deadline as firm and fast. as everyone is watching those, there are probably 18 million news cycles to get through before we get to an actual decision. i only exaggerate by a slight factor. >> any idea who they might send, who the attorney might be? >> reporter: we know they've distanced themselves from rudy giuliani. the president last night in the interview with bill o'reilly, he was putting space between him and his personal attorney. he always talks about what a great crime fighter rudy giuliani is and how he's anti corruption. but whether or not you'd actually have giuliani or pat sip own any, they haven't given
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an indication yet. the white house has not blessed this process with legitimacy. should they send any representative from the white house down to the hearing, that lends it a little credibility that so far they've been loathed to give. i would be skeptical on this so far. i think they're still reviewing it. >> lee ann, moving forward. next week's judiciary committee hearing, how will that be different than what we've seen in the intelligence committee so far? >> reporter: craig, it's going to look a lot different than what we saw in the intelligence committee. the witnesses coming before the judiciary committee are not going to be fact witnesses, they're not going to have evidence against the president's alleged wrongdoing. instead it's going to be constitutional scholars or experts who are going to explain what this all means in context of the constitution. in context the separation of power and checks and balances between the legislative branch and the executive branch. so think of it as the first
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phase, the intelligence committee phase as the nutrition label on the cookie box, and think of the second phase as the nutritionist coming in to explain what that nutrition label means and why it matters. >> oh, my goodness, that was a very effective analogy leigh ann. we also have new details from the fact-finding phase. what can you tell us about this new witness statement? >> we thought most of the new facts had already come out in those dozens of hours of testimony we had all seen and read. as we go through the final two transcripts to be released by the house last night, there was actually new information. it came from a senior budget official named mark sandy. he testified during the course of this aid holdup, not one but two budget officials at the white house actually resigned at least in part because of their concerns about what had happened
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with this aid holdup. he was actually asked specifically if he was certain that the aid holdup was a reason for them leaving the administration. i want to show you what he said. he said i never want to attribute that as the sole purpose for an individual's actions, but i am aware of their frustrations in that area, yes. craig, we also know this is very important because it was only the day before this testimony came out that the white house budget office was saying, as hans reported, that everything that happened with the aid cutoff was part of a legal consensus, that everything followed normal routines and procedures. suffice it to say, you don't typically have multiple people resigning in protest at least partially because of what they saw if everything is going according to normal procedures. >> josh lederman, thank you. lee aigh ann caldwell on the hi thank you. hans nichols, happy thanksgiving to all of you.
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let me bring in michael steele, former chai chair of the rnc, hunter walker, a white house correspondent for yahoo news. josh just alluded to the timeline. let's talk more about that timeline. "the new york times" has new reporting of its own about the timing of president trump's decision to give that aid to ukraine. here is the headline from the times. trump knew of whistle-blower complaint when he released aid to ukraine. why is this such a significant development? >> this undermines a crucial argument the president and his team have been making which is how is this a scandal when the aid was ultimately released. this provides further indication that the president knew he could get in trouble with this when he ultimately decided to release the aid. i think, as you were saying earlier, trump and his team feel very confident about where they
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sit with this. this isn't some kind of scandal that can be boiled down to two words. they think it's just not hitting. ultimately what we need to see here is this two-thirds majority in the senate. it's a very, very high bar. that means a lot of minds need to be changed in the swing states. we're seeing all this mounting evidence. in this hyperpartisan climate, i'm not sure it's enough to move the needle. >> mr. steele, that "new york times" piece brings into focus the timeline of what happened between president trump and ukraine. we learned that aid was first withheld early july. the freeze officially announced on july 18th. the president's call with the president of ukraine where he brought up a, quote, favor, that was literally one week later, seven days after that. on august 12th, the whistle-blower's complaint was filed. then in late august, according to the times, white house
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lawyers briefed president trump on the complaint. september 9th is when the president talked to ambassador gordon sondland and said, quote, i want nothing, i want no quid pro quo, tell zelensky. then on september 11th, low and be hold, the laid is released. michael steele, they've been arguing this couldn't have been quid pro quo because the aid was released. democrats argue that he released the aid because he found out about the complaint. are republicans going to have to find a new defense? >> they know they do. but they don't care because of what's already been said. they're so confident of a number of things, one, that they have so muddied the waters on this conversation that no one knows exactly what happened. so when you're resorting to timelines from their perspective, that's a win. number two, so what? what are you going to do about it? what are the consequences?
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there have been no consequences. we know the president was informed of the whistle-blower. he knew long before he released those funds that this was a problem politically and otherwise, and legally for him. yet, he figured out he could run this thing for as long as he possibly cold and it wasn't until the actual report got to congress that then things began to move in a fashion. from the administration's position and from republicans' position, give me -- find me 20 republican senators who are going to say donald trump should be thrown out of office. they don't exist. that has been telegraphed for some time now. so from the administration's position, they're just going to sit back and let this thing play out and they will continue to chip at it narratively with twht we heard last night at the rally. >> last night the president talked to bill o'reilly about his relationship with his tv
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lawyer, personal attorney, rudy giuliani. o'reilly asked him, so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine or do anything or put any heat on them. president trump responded no, i didn't direct him, but he's a warrior. the president also said, i know he was going to go to ukraine and i think he canceled the trip. you know, rudy has clients other than me. it sounds as if, if you go back to the interview and watch it, it seems as if the president is starting the do that thing where he distances himself from someone that he's clearly had a long relationship with, and this time being rudy giuliani. is that the sense that you get? is that something that's remotely achievable? >> the president has known rudy giuliani for decades. i was in the oval office the other day and i asked the president about the comment rudy made that he's not worried about being thrown under the bus because he has, quote, unquote, insurance. they've both sort of backed away
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from that comment which seems to have pretty clear implications. even when discussing that, the president was praising rudy giuliani. as you noted, he calls him a great crime fighter, called him the best mayor in new york history. both because of what rudy may know and also because of their long and public association, i don't think it's as easy for president trump to throw rudy giuliani under the bus as it was for him to distance himself from, say, michael cohen, who is someone who wasn't already a household name and not known to be as publicly close to the president. >> we saw and heard the president laying out his own impeachment defense at this rally last night in florida. we are not going to sensor the president's language. if you have a child in the room, you might want to turn to cartoons. >> they're pushing that impeachment witch hunt, and a lot of bad things are happening to them. you see what's happening in the polls?
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everybody said that's really bullshit. >> michael steele, if barack obama had uttered the word that the president just uttered, there would be people in the streets right now. >> they'd be in the streets. women would be fainting. children would be running and hiding under the beds. grown men would be in tears. the one thing that i would like us to do is to stop treating this as if it isn't what it is. it's vulgar. it's unbecoming of the man in the office. it's unbecoming of the office. so we've got to appreciate that this is one more effort in my estimation to further stain the office of the presidency. yes, presidents cuss. we have grand stories about lyndon johnson and so forth, but you never saw that individual go onto a stage with children in the audience, by the way, and
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saying the kinds of things that he does. and then we treat it, well, you know, it's delicate. we want to play it soft. no. it's vulgar. it's vulgar, unbecoming behavior by a man who holds the highest office in the land. and we the people should stand up and say something more than we're saying about that. >> michael steele, thank you. hunter, thank you as well. good news ahead of this thanksgiving holiday. former president jimmy carter has been discharged from the hospital in atlanta. news coming down just a short time ago. the news coming from his spokesperson there. carter, of course, was recovering after undergoing surgery on november 11th to treat bleeding in his brain that was caused by a recent fall. jimmy carter turned 95 in october. he's the first u.s. president to reach that milestone. mayor pete buttigieg responding to an uproar over a
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column centered on race that called him a liar. that article also used some pro phone language. so mayor pete called the man who wrote that article. we'll talk about what came of that conversation. we'll also talk about the questions that the column itself raises. questions that are core to his campaign. also, two new polls with promising numbers for joe biden. but one of those polls has alarming numbers for another top tier candidate, senator else. elizabeth warren. we'll dig into the numbers behind the shift right after this.
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two new national polls give joe biden a solid lead in the race for the democratic presidential nomination. the polls also show something ranging from a dip to a flat-out dive in support for elizabeth warren. pete buttigieg remains on a slow but steady rise. we'll try to make sense of the numbers. tiffany cross managing editor of the beat d.c. and christina greer, associate professor of political science from fordham university. thank you for your time on this thanksgiving eve. the standout to me on this poll is elizabeth warren. you look at this poll here, she slipped to third place, dropping 14 points over the last month. pete buttigieg, again, according to this poll, up six points for the month. biden holding on to his lead, up
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three points. bernie sanders rounding out the form four in double digits, though he is down in two points according to this poll. we should note, as we do from time to time, that this is a plus or minus almost five points. this is a national poll, not a state poll. but the top line here, elizabeth warren, tiffany, what's your stake on that sharp drop? >> i'm going to say something that's not very popular. >> that surprises me. >> we have to stop obsessing over these polls because most people are not actually going through and looking at the data. when you look at the sampling, a lot of people are saying how much are you paying attention to the race, and it was really something like 49% that said a lot. so that makes a difference. and you have to look at when the sampling was done. what was the news cycle at that time. when these polls come out, there's all this fodder for weeks at a time, oh, elizabeth dropped in the polls.
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that's not accurate because it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. it's kind of ridiculous. these are going to go up and down. we're months away from the first round of volting in iowa and new hampshire. we have california, texas, nevada, south carolina, et cetera, i would encourage voters don't pay attention to the polls. focus on the candidate you like. don't let different outlets tell you who should be the next president. i think there are things she's put forth that resonate with voters. i do think medicare for all is something that the country is, quite frankly, split on. i don't think this poll dictates a real sampling on where the country is. >> the professor yesterday at this town hall in knoxville, iowa, the senator from massachusetts was asked about the aforementioned poll. this is part of her response. >> so it's the same answer it's always been. i don't do polls. i'm out here fighting every day on behalf of working families. i actually spend time doing town
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halls. today is my 170th town hall. we've taken thousands of unfiltered questions and we're well over 80,000 selfies right now. this is a person-to-person campaign because i think that's what democracy should be. >> that's a lot of selfies. do you buy that, though? do you buy that candidates in general don't pay attention to polls? they just plow ahead? is that a successful strategy? >> you have people on your campaign that pay attention to polls. as tiffany said, they're going to go up and down. as someone who teaches statistics, plus or mine nous 4.9% is very substantial. elizabeth warren is saying in iowa, people aren't using the australian ballot and going into a private voting booth. it's a caucus. a different relationship with voters. things will go up and down. we have until february. so much can happen. again, agreeing with tiffany, if this poll was taken right after
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elizabeth warren got hit for the details about medicare for all, that could definitely dictate how certain people are nervous or divided about how they feel. if elizabeth warren's strategy is to connect with voters, to make sure she explains to them that her policies are best for american people and leave away likability and electability and go with your first choice which she may be for many people, that is what she's trying to focus on. all the other people will figure out what's slipping or not. i think it's also really important to remember, iowa is a caucus. so how you build relationships in a ground game is of great importance. yes, sure, it's wonderful if lots of people across the country like pete right now, people liked kamala after the first debate, elizabeth warren a few times in the last two months. in the next three months it's all about ground game in the first four states to really focus on iowa, new hampshire, nevada, south carolina and make sure you have a relationship with voters to articulate your
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vision as the president of the united states. let's talk about michael bloomberg for a moment, the newcomer to the race. announcing over the weekend he's going to be in. i know how much you both love polls, so i'll reference this one one more time. bloomberg polling at 3%. just announced he's in. you'd be hard-pressed to go 20 minutes without seeing one of his ads, at least in new york. not just the quinnipiac poll, cnn as well. how worried, how concerned, tiffany, should these other candidates, especially the moderates a arguebly in the same lane as michael bloomberg be? how nervous should they be, not just about him being in the race, but the amount of money he brings to the campaign, the fact that he's not going to apparently take a dime from donors? >> i think candidates should treat everybody like they're a formidable opponent and i think they are. i think he's really going to excite that elizabeth, sanders,
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bernie wing of the party. they're going after this billionaires who come in and think they can buy their way into the election. that's a message that's not going to resonate with the american people. we need to think about the talking about the bloomberg policies that plagued the city of new york, especially african-americans. the path of the white house leads directly through black voteers. the fact that he's arrogant enough to think that he can show up at a black church two seconds before he announces his run to presidency and apologize for the racist stop and frisk policy that needlessly ensnared many black and latino men in new york in the legal system is ridiculous and insulting. i think if bloomberg were more interested in serving the american people, he would calm his ego perhaps and put some money into the election. i think we can say, there's not really any candidate right now that excites the entire base. i don't know if we'll see that this cycle. we also have to start thinking, bottom of the ticket?
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who are the candidates we could live with at the top of the ticket and maybe they can pluck a stacy abrams type at the bottom of the ticket that can excite a lot of the different constituency groups on the ground. >> tiffany cross, happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving craig and happy thanksgiving dr. greer. >> happy thanksgiving tiffany. meanwhile, mayor pete is doing some cleanup on an issue that continues to loom over his campaign, race. how pete buttigieg is now responding to the column that went viral, calling out his past remarks on minorities and education. into a base you can empty once a month. and unlike standard robots that bounce around, it cleans row by row. if it's not a shark, it's just a robot. easy twist design.r. optimum control.
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the buttigieg campaign is in cleanup mode this morning after comments he made ability minorities in education in 2011 while he was running for mayor. those comments resurfaced online. >> the kids need to see evidence that education is going to work for them, right? so you see -- >> that's part of the motivation. >> yeah. you're motivated because you believe that at the end of your educational process there's a reward, a stable life, a job, and there are a lot of kids, especially the lower income minority neighborhoods who
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literally just haven't seen it work. there isn't somebody they know personally who testifies to the value of education. >> so a writer for "the root" addressed those comments in a scathing essay tighting pete buttigieg is a lying mf, where he said the mayor knew what he said in 2011 was a lie and, quote, it proves men like him are more than willing to perpetuate the native of negro neighborhoods needing more role models and briefcase carriers than make the people see the blinding light of racism. pete buttigieg doesn't want to change anything. he just wants to be something. the headline started trending on twitter and other social media platforms as well. so mayor buttigieg called the guy who wrote the article, and he penned a new piece headlined pete buttigieg called me, here is what happened. where he details the extended conversation he had with buttigieg about race. and buttigieg himself talked
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about his conversation with the writer on the trail in iowa. here is what he said. >> what i said in that comment before i became mayor does not reflect the totality of my understanding then and certainly now about the ob stack lts that students of color face in our system today. i understand why he was upset and i understand the perspective, and i'm very conscious of the advantages and privileges i have had, not through any great wealth, but certainly through education, through the advantages that come with being white and being male, and that's part of why i know i've got to make myself useful as a candidate and as president. >> i want to bring in maura gay, a member of "the new york times" editorial board and prof fis sore christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university. michael harry is the guy who wrote the piece. this is what he says, he wrote
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in part, quote, there is no way i can know if he's genuinely interested in engaging black voters. there are an infinite number of candidates who have waded into black barber shops or sashayed into black pulpits to assure us they were on our side when they were only interested in our vote. i am not smart or pregsed enough to know the difference. the whole thing i know is that he is a white man but pete buttigieg listened which is all you can ask a white man to do. that's michael harriot from "the root." is that enough? >> it's not enough. there's a lot that bothered me about the way this ordeal played out. i understand the anger of black americans and black voters and the frustration that comes with time and time again for years seeing yourself blamed for
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societal problems that have been inflicted on the black community by white supremacy over the course of any centuries and by years of discrimination. and so it is very painful to sit there and watch anybody talk about how the problem in black america and the reason black americans can't get ahead is because they don't value education enough or because they don't have two-parent families when really the history of discrimination and racism in this country shows us that black americans have been plundered and discriminated against institutionally and personally for generations. here is the issue. pete buttigieg made those comments in 2011. he doesn't sound the same today. he says he's learned a lot. i've seen him on the campaign trail. we have to give room for people to evolve, for people to learn lessons. at the end of the day, this country is very imperfect and there are a lot of people who are not just candidates, people
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of good will trying to understand racism and how it works. i think we need to have those conversations without canceling one another every two seconds. so i'm not going to get into this individual conversation -- i wasn't listening to that conversation, but i think pete buttigieg just like every democratic candidate and every candidate, period, donald trump should be doing this, too. i'm not going to hold my breath, should be listening to black voters and giving them the same respect that other voters get. that includes michael bloomberg. there's a lot of room here. pete buttigieg actually came out with the frederick douglass plan. he has a plan to address racial inequity in the united states, and that's a lot more than we've seen from some other folks. that doesn't mean he gets a pass. what it means is that let's have a productive conversation instead of just trying to cancel one another every chance we get. >> well, we are in the midst of a cancer culture here.
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i will say this about mayor pete buttigieg. i've had the opportunity to spend some time with him. in fact, i did a piece several months ago down in south carolina. the mayor is acutely aware of his problem with black voters. he is aware that there is this perception that, yes, you might be a road scholar and you might be viewed as progressive on a number of issues, but you don't have the kind of street credit takes to win over large swaths of black voters. this is part of what he told me months ago down in columbia. >> i've seen a number of your rallies, fairly homogenous, racially speaking at least. how do you plan to speak to african-american voters specifically? >> part of it is by laying out an agenda on the issues that black voters are asking me about most often. democracy, in the way a lot of voters of color have been excluded or found their voices
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diminished. not all the voters in places like south carolina know me that well. when you arrive and you're a newcomer and not, yourself, a candidate of color and not somebody who has been a household name for years or decades, it takes a lot of work to make sure people get to know you. >> all right. that was six months ago, professor. has the mayor in your estimation started to do that? has he introduced himself reasonably well with voters of color? >> he's obviously starting in south carolina because there are a aren't a lot of voters of color in iowa and new hampshire, the first two states of import. i agree with what mara said, the issue with the cancel culture, you have to be in the culture first to get canceled. that's been a part of the problem with the mayor in the sense that there is footage of him sort of telling a black female voter that he doesn't need her vote to get to the presidency, that complicated exchange. his tenure as mayor, firing the black police chief, having a black man murdered under his
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watch and the fallout from that. i think part of this frustration is that the more recent pete buttigieg record looks a little bit too much like the 2011 and the concern that black voters will have which is, when you are president, what will your education policy look like? what will your housing policy look like for black voters especially? because we know the road to success for any democratic nominee as tiffany cross said in the last segment, has to go through the black community, definitely through black women. he must be working on the ground game and he's run a very successful campaign thus far. but are you thinking critically about the historical issues that have been of concern to black communities and really addressing them in a forward-thinking way. >> mara, have other candidates been able to do or say things to win over so far in this primary battle, things that have won over large -- >> no. and i would say that i think
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black voters are looking for a few things, looking for something that can beat donald trump. they're looking for someone who is listening to them and who values them as a full citizen and as a voter. frankly, there's going to be -- there's an opportunity after iowa, as you pointed out, to introduce yourself as a candidate to black voters. i'm of the belief just based on my years of reporting that black voters are especially skeptical of the political system because we've been excluded from it and burned by it for so many years. so it takes time and resources to get to introduce yourself. i think there's an opportunity for all the candidates to do so. it's not about presenting some magical -- saying the exact right thing. it's about being authentic and making it obvious that you have respect for the community and the communities of color and listening. that vote is not going to be taken for granted. i think black voters feel as
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though they've been asked by democrats for a long time to kind of swallow their own needs and their own self-respect to just for the sake of, as harriot said, party unity. that's what's at stake. don't take black voters for granted. >> how much does representation matter? by that i mean, obviously when barack obama ran in 2008, the historic campaign, a lot of black voters said to me, he's a black man, obviously i'm going to vote for him because he's black. does that matter as much as it did ten years ago? >> let's be clear, a lot of folks said i'm going to vote for john mccain because he's white. >> or donald trump. >> we've seen that time and time again. pete buttigieg -- we see cory booker struggling to get traction. >> deval patrick had that event at morehouse -- >> two people showed up off camera. >> pete buttigieg, what he has done very well, and we'll see if it sticks in south carolina, he
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has humbled himself when he goes to all communities because of his age, his service to the united states and said i actually do want to learn more. if you're running for the presidency, running as governor, senator or mayor who is 37 years old. i think that's where he's actually at an advantage because he's not the biden-bloomberg-bernie-esque way saying i know what you need, here is what you need and let me tell you. it's a start. i don't know if it will be enough just because it does take a while to introduce themselves because, again, no one knew who barack obama was either in 2008. >> if you weren't paying attention to the 2004 dnc speech and he became a senator in the 20006 election, he was elected and sworn in in 2007, he started to run for office. no one knew who he was. it took some time. obviously the iowa win was a great bump.
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>> 15 seconds, really quickly. you look at the field mara gay, cory booker, julian castro, senator harris, deval patrick. joe biden, if you're to believe the polls out there, he's still the favorite candidate among black voters. are you at all surprised with so many candidates of color in the race that not one of them has been able to chip away at that lead? >> i'm not surprised. i think, again, it's just going to take time for voters to get to know all these candidates. only half the country is paying attention so far. >> if that. >> if that. >> mara, thank you. happy thanksgiving. all eyes on the impeachment hearings on capitol hill. a new report on how the fbi handled the 2016 election interference. it's about to land with a crash. democrats have big concerns about who was investigated and who was not investigated. andn more ways than one.
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the next phase of impeachment proceedings is heating up. congress and the white house are bracing, bracing for key reports stemming from the russia investigation. the department of justice inspector general is examining the fbi's conduct in the probe which the president and his allies have questioned. but democrats are demanding to know why the doj watch dog is not examining the actions of the president's attorneys general who oversaw the agency.
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nbc's ken dilanian has been following the story. michael horowitz, solid reputation, best we can tell. take us through the concerns that the democrats have and why do they have those concerns now? >> that's right, craig. nobody is suggesting michael horowitz, the independent watch dog preseappointed by obama is unethical. they feel he's avoiding the tough fights. they say he did a lot of really fraught investigations under president obama including, if you remember, the atf gun walking scandal known as fast and furious, and he took on then attorney general eric holder. he did some really hard investigations. democrats are not seeing him do the same thing when it comes to what they see as the pollicization of the justice department of william bar. democrats in the senate and house have asked inspector general horowitz to do a number of investigations including whether jeff sessions violated
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his recusal into the russia investigation and how william barr handled the mueller report. horowitz has taken a pass, in part because robert mueller was investigating. the ig has a different role. the ig looks at whether people have followed the rules. democrats have also said he spent a lot of his time investigating obama appointees like james comey and andrew mccabe and things that happened in the 2016 election. he's not looking hard at things that a.g. william war is doing right now. >> ken dellinian in washington. thank you. the push to get women in office. republicans only elected one new female member of congress in 2018. >> i think it kind of lit the fire in people's bellies. >> you guys got shellacked. >> we elected only one new republican woman. >> so what lessons have they learned? chris jansing will show us a bold new strategy to elect more women in 2020.
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at a time when women are turning away from donald trump in record numbers, some republicans have a dire warning for their party -- start supporting women or face extinction. democrats have long had outside
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groups backing women's candidates like emily's list. now republicans appear to be playing catch-up. i want to bring in chris jansing, msnbc senior national correspondent. what did you learn about how republicans are trying to make up lost ground? >> they know their playing catch-up, they know how highly the hill is they have to climb, but they also are determined. >> nice to meet you. >> reporter: this is sue rezin's fifth campaign. >> i'm sue rezin, running for congress. >> reporter: now she's running for congress in suburban chicago. >> are you running on the republican ticket? >> i am. >> then i'll be more than glad to sign. >> reporter: her big challenge, as it is for many women -- money. >> the emphasis is on women who can self-fund. we may not have the means to self-fund. >> reporter: or necessarily have the contacts or the history of
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donors. >> contacts is huge. and i'm not in that world. >> reporter: rezin's message to republicans, money talks, so give more to women for 2021. 120 republican women ran for congress but they lost ten house seats while democrats gained 26. >> i think 2018 was a turning point. >> reporter: desperate to improve that dismal success rate, wing for women was creawis created. and money certainly wasn't the only problem. does donald trump make it harder for a woman to run? >> there are districts we'll play in where he's hugely
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popular. we want to stay focused on the candidate and finding the best fit for her district and then getting her over the finish line. >> reporter: winning for women just gave us an exclusive look at its initial endorsement list including michelle steele who wants to take back a congressional seat. with four successful local races under her belt, she's undaunted by 2018's losses. >> it will be totally different. out of 161 already filed to run, they're aggressive, they're very smart and they are so good and strong. >> reporter: they're also talk to each other. sue rezin regularly talks to a group of friends with campaign experience. and the night we were with them, the conversation turned to yet one more challenge facing republican women candidates. >> i really think it's the social issues, to be honest. i think the republican party needs to do some recalibration when it comes to the social
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issues. >> reporter: if things like abortion and gay marriage become litmus tests, it works against women in the republican party? >> i think so. >> and i think that we just need to change the conversation about who we are as republicans. >> who is messaging this from the top? who is saying get women elected? if someone has an objective to go get women elected, they'll make it happen because their livelihood depends on it. >> winning for women has a modest goal of electing 20 republican women to congress. along with some other established republican groups, they're looking to help build a bench of women who could run for congress in the future. i think one of the key things with this super pac is they're going to start supporting women in the primary. parties have traditionally stayed out. women have trouble getting out of the primary because of that money issue. they think that's one way to start turning things around, get more women in the general election. >> fascinating. thank you, chris. triple a says 55 million
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that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live". happy thanksgiving. i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today." >> happy thanksgiving to you and all of yours. >> thank you, andrea, have a great holiday. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," what he knew. "the new york times" reports that president trump already knew about the whistle-blower complaint when he unfroze that military aid to ukraine. that contradicts the president's repeated line of defense. >> i have never had a direct link between investigations and security assistance. okay. what that means, you know what it means? it means we did zero, we did nothing wrong. >> how

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