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interfering with a seal charged with war crimes. what is behind the democratic reshuffle? we begin with the thanksgiving parade kicking off an hour from now only a few blocks from where i'm sitting. despite the winds, the nypd says the iconic balloons will take to the skies over the streets of new york. i want to bring in gabe gutierrez, along the parade route in manhattan. michelle grossman is here at the weather center. gabe, i imagine there must be a sigh of relief out there. what is the macy's thanksgiving day parade without the balloons. >> reporter: good morning. yes, it is a sigh of relief. many people excited along the parade route. how excited are you? so excited! >> reporter: wow. more than 3 million people are expected here in new york. alison, i'm not very far from you. the nbc office is just a short distance that way. we are here on 6th avenue. you can see people as far as the eye can see. some of them very excited.
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as we just heard, the nypd announcing just a short time ago that as of now the balloons will fly, but they are still keeping a very close eye on the weather conditions because it could change at any time. of course, per city regulations if the sustained winds go above 23 miles per hour or wind gusts above 40 miles per hour, those balloons can fly. as of now they're planning to. man, i just spoke to you a few seconds ago. you're excited to be here? >> yes, i am. >> reporter: where are you from? >> conyers georgia, which is a suburb outside of atlanta, georgia. >> reporter: how excited are you that you might see the balloons? >> the big disappointment earlier this week was to think balloons, no balloons? no! >> reporter: but now? >> now i cannot wait to see the balloons. they're so important to the parade, and i'm here because it is the one and only chance that i will ever get to see the macy's day parade live. >> reporter: oh, wow. >> after waiting for six decades
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to get to do it. >> reporter: congratulations. i'm glad we can share it with you. >> thank you. >> reporter: big question. what balloon are you most looking forward to? >> i think snoopy. >> reporter: of course. obviously. >> definitely. and i can't think of anything right now. >> reporter: it doesn't matter, you can see them all hopefully. >> i love them all. >> reporter: there's a chance they might have to fly a little lower. >> that's okay because you can actually see them better that way. >> reporter: thank you, ma'am, for talking to us. i hope you have a great time. alison, she's from conyers, georgia. so many people here along the route are getting ready. very excited here as the macy's thanksgiving day parade is about to get under way. again, more than 3 million people expected here, tens of millions expected to watch on television. just really an iconic american institution about to get under way here in the streets of manhattan. alison. >> gabe, such terrific news to hear about the balloons, that they will be flying. i imagine it would have put a bit of a damper on the enthusiasm. snoopy is the one everybody is watching for.
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as a resident new yorker we tend to take the parade for granted, but hearing folks waiting six decades to get here, how long have you been speaking with people and how long did they have to line up? have people been sleeping out here? >> reporter: well, you know, we got here pretty early on, alison. ma'am, how long have you been here? you got here, front row? >> my husband got here at 5:45 this morning. >> reporter: 5:45 this morning. >> that's not too bad. >> reporter: it wasn't too chilly, right? >> not too bad and he's bundled up. >> reporter: bundled up. they say as of now the balloons will fly. hope it sticks to that, right? >> it is not too windy. i think so, they should. >> reporter: where are you from? >> dallas. >> reporter: people here from across the country, alison. you know people are so excited here. they call it a bucket list thing to do. >> yes. >> reporter: you are agreeing. where are you from? >> orlando, florida. >> reporter: you're from orlando, florida? >> yes. >> reporter: what balloon are you looking most forward to? >> pokemon because the kids i
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nanny love him. >> reporter: no snoopy? >> snoopy, yeah. he's good. >> reporter: he's all right. alison -- thank you so much, ma'am, for talking with us again. you know, this is something that will be ongoing throughout the morning. the nypd says they will have a police supervisor along with each of the balloons. 16 iconic balloons that will be checking with wind meters to make sure that the wind gusts don't pick up throughout the morning. then we will have, you know, the breaking news as of now the nypd says that they believe that these balloons will fly. maybe they might have to have them a little lower than the 55 feet, but these folks don't seem to care how high they are as long as they get to see those balloons, alison. >> gabe, great news to see them up close. great news to hear they will be flying for now. michelle, obviously we know there's a caveat here, "for now." is there any concern the wind gusts could kick up later in the day and pose problems for the parade? >> there is a concern but we want to do it so badly for those
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people. great to see everyone out and excited. we have a wind advisory from the west to the northeast. that's where we're concerned about it for the parade today. wind watch, wind warning in the purple there, and we are expecting the winds to really gust heading throughout the next couple of hours. again, gabe talked about this, a threshold 34 miles per hour where we won't let the balloons fly. right now we have winds gusting around 24. but look at what happens, up to 40 miles per hour. i kind of do this hour-by-hour for you so you get an idea. 24 miles per hour right now, those are the wind gusts. but you know how wind gusts go, they come and go and we could see them gust pretty high. 9:00 is the parade start, 36 miles per hour. that's why it is important to have an officer with each balloon to measure along the route here. by 10:00, 11:00, 48 miles per hour. you saw the 38 miles per hour pop in at 10:00 so we will be watching it very closely. we are watching positive of the potential for snow back to the
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west. we have tricky weather coast to coast. we have winter storm warning and watches and a blizzard warning in place that will affect some air traffic. if you haven't gotten to your destination yet we are looking at tricky travel across the area, in addition to the winds happening to the northeast. we are looking at two storms affecting us and another one coming on shore this weekend. alison. >> michelle grossman, gabe gutierrez, thank you both so much. >> you bet. fired navy secretary richard spencer taking aim at president trump over the commander in chief's handling of the war crimes case involving navy seal eddie gallagher. in a "washington post" op-ed spencer slams the president for ordering him to restore gallagher's rank saying, quote, it was a shocking and unprecedented intervention in a low-level review. it was also a reminder that the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices. nbc's kelly o'donnell is with the president in florida this
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thanksgiving. here onset is correspondent for business insider. i would like to start with you, kelly. it is an extraordinary op-ed. weigh are you hearing from the white house? >> one of the things we heard from the president himself before the op-ed was his recognition of the controversy around his intervention in the case of eddie gallagher, the navy seal accused of war crimes and convicted of just one count of posing with a dead militant in iraq. he has insisted that he retain his navy seal membership, be allowed to retire with his full rank and so forth. the president said that he could resist those who are in air conditioned offices telling him what to do and that he wants to stand with war fighters. there has not been a specific reaction about secretary spencer's op-ed, but you're right to characterize it as stunning and it is stinging of the president. what spencer is saying is that this was the president getting in the way of military justice when military justice has its
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own way of keeping order and discipline, and that that is what brings about the professionalism that makes the u.s. stand apart from many other nations around the world, and that he wanted a peer review of navy members who would have looked at the case of gallagher to decide if he could retire with his seal membership, with his rank and so forth, and that that's the appropriate place for such a decision to be made, not an order coming from the commander in chief. he also writes about the fact he believes the president was listening to a lot of conservative media because gallagher had friends who were telling his story to conservative media and getting a lot of attention there. so this is a really stark rebuke of the president. spencer also acknowledges that he made a mistake by not keeping secretary esper in the loop of his views and concerns as this was unfolding. alison. >> i would love to get your take on that. as kelly mention, in his op-ed richard spencer acknowledged he
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made a mistake in going behind the back of secretary esper in trying to resolve the case which led to his firing. he writes, we must now move on and learn from what has transpired. the public should know that we have extensive screening procedures in place to assess the health of our armed forces. but we must fine tune to prevent things like this from happening again. do you think we will see procedural changes after this. >> i think it is hard to say. i think the main takeaway from the op-ed like kelly said is that it was so unprecedented because it points to the stunning circumstances around the entire case. it is unheard of for the president to take the kinds of actions that president trump did and to go -- specifically go against the advice of the pentagon. it is also really important to remember when this was all happening, when the president pardoned gallagher and two other officials who were either accused of or convicted of war crimes. at the same time there was another military officer, lieutenant colonel alexander vindman testifying before congress, a man who served his country and has shown patriotism
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and duty to country and weathered brutal attacks from the president's allies. to see this case and these parties come in the wake of vindman's testimony was kind of a stunning juxtaposition. >> kelly, i would love to shift gear. president trump is making news over two bills he signed supporting the protesters in hong kong. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, this was expected, but it took a little time. the president did that signature last night, and it is, of course, brought about some real controversy in china. the president acknowledged that it could be problematic but he signed these measures, which were overwhelmingly passed by the senate which basically support the rights of democracy and protesters in hong kong, and the congress has required a review of the special status that hong kong has, being independent from china it is autonomous governing even though it belongs to china. this comes at the time the
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president is trying to have a big china trade agreement that has taken months and months and months, but he did sign it in support of democracy. china has responded by pulling back its own ambassador and letting the u.s. ambassador, terry brandstad, know they're very unhappy about this, saying it is an interference with what is going on inside their country. again, the was expected. the reaction was expected, but certainly there are many in congress who wanted the president to sign this to support democracy. we have had months of protests in hong kong, at times violent, and the president has with his signature shown that he is in favor of those trying to stand up for democracy at the risk of his relationship with president xi of china. alison. >> kelly o'donnell, the president in florida, sown au sheff, a business insider. thank you and happy thanksgiving to both of you. >> happy thanksgiving. overseas right now, international tensions ratcheting up after north korea launched what are described as two short-range projectiles.
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south korea's initial report suggesting they likely came from a mega-size multiple rocket launcher and were aim at the sea of japan. u.s. officials working to learn more as japan's blast's north korea's, quote, frequent launch of ballistic missiles. if confirmed it would be multiple tests by north korea. rudy giuliani was pushing for investigations that could benefit president trump. we will have the fall-out from the potential conflict of interest. a second national poll shows support for elizabeth warren could be slipping. we will look at what is behind the senator's apparent free-fall. e senator's apparent free-fall. any comments doug? yeah. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need with liberty mutual.
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and this morning we are learning more about just how close rudy giuliani came to representing ukrainian government officials while he was already working as president trump's personal attorney. at one point multiple papers say that giuliani actually drew up a pair of retainers worth half a million dollars. he ultimately opted not to sign them because he was worried they would be a conflict of interest. giuliani tweeted about the reporting last night and said he did not pursue a business opportunity in ukraine, and he said he didn't get paid anything. the former new york city mayor is under federal investigation. officials there are looking at his activities inside ukraine, including multiple meetings with the country's former top prosecutor lutsenko who is one of the key figures pushing
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unsubstantiated allegations about the bidens, false narratives about ukraine interfering in the 2016 election and advocating to get the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine fired. all of those issues are at the heart of the impeachment inquiry into president trump. we are also joined by attorney and msnbc legal analyst katie feng and here onset with me hogar shomali who worked on the director of the security council, both in the obama administration. kaity, let's start with you. if rudy giuliani didn't sign papers, is he off the hook here? >> no. so there's the traditional concept as a lawyer you have a retainer agreement with a client and it defines the scope of what your work is supposed to be for the client and usually it is signed. you know, the fact giuliani didn't get any money doesn't in and of itself mean he was not doing work and, frankly, with
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the subpoenas that are going to go throughout the course of the sdny investigation we will get more access into giuliani's financials. but the absence of an executed engagement agreement in and of itself does not mean that giuliani is off the hook. the real question, alison, is the following. was rudy giuliani selling access to the united states government -- more specifically president trump -- in exchange for being hired by the ukrainian government? because we know that rudy giuliani says he was working for free for donald trump. well, we all know a lot of people would never work for free for donald trump, and then in the end was the money given to rudy giuliani? we know victoria tensing, one of the pairs of lawyers with her husband joe digenova , they work for donald trump, they represent donald trump. shee she herself signed an engagement agreement with viktor shokin. i think we will find out more and more whether or not rudy giuliani is telling the truth
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the more sdny digs. >> it seems that the president was using rudy giuliani to get help from the ukrainians, but does it show the ukrainians were in the driver's seat? who do we think was in charge in this situation? >> well, you know, to look at it from the foreign policy angle, i tried to think for the time i was in the government at least and if there was any precedent i looked in the past, in research to see if there had been any time where the personal attorney of a president had been used to pursue these types of channels. there's certainly no precedent i could find at least, especially when it comes to obtaining -- you know, to looking for personal political gain. this is a bad comparison but i will make it anyway because you see republicans saying it is not abnormal for presidents to use third channels for diplomatic efforts, right? bill clinton had been used to release detainees in north korea. former president jimmy carter had been used for palestinian peace efforts and other peace efforts, but those are squarely
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diplomatic goals. it is in a box that is very clear where there are intended policy goals and objectives that are very clear. when it comes to having somebody insert themselves and use foreign policy for personal or politic political gain, you are running afoul. >> then also the question, okay, you were inserting yourself but were you the one running the show here or were they dictating what they wanted you to do? who was holding the reins here? >> thankfully there's a federal prosecutor investigating this. >> it is still unclear? >> right. i don't want to throw congress under the bus and there are pros and cons to congressional investigations but i'm happy a non-partisan federal prosecution, you know, that federal prosecutors are looking into in and investigating what went on because i think they're really going to come with information that will explain, you know, how much was on trump's order, how much -- was it, in fact, for free. >> right. >> how shady was it? you know, was he -- the fact he is representing the president at the same time offering to do bidding with the ukrainians with
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whom he is working for for the president, you can't work both sides. >> still so many questions. rick, at the same time we are getting this new information we heard the president trying to argue giuliani was acting on his own in ukraine without his blessing. is that story believable? >> no. look, since i'm the opinionator here, this is an arms for dirt deal. it has been from the beginning. anybody with a luck of common sense can see that. it was orchestrated by rudy colludie. you have to work for the president because he either doesn't pay or you have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself, it will end up costing you money. but rudy-colludie is over there trying to dig up dirt on the bidens, the president's chief political rival. no one disputes the facts on this. you don't even get the republicans disputing exactly what happened on the phone call. it was an orchestrated campaign
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to put pressure on the ukrainian president to conduct or at least announce that you were investigating a political rival, end of the story. that's what this is about. it is very simple to understand. it is arms for dirt. >> katie, i want to dig into the federal investigation. subpoenas described to the "wall street journal" list eight potential charges including things like money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the u.s., failing to register as a foreign agent. if you put it together with what we're learning about giuliani almost signing on to represent the ukrainians, what does it tell you? >> the almost signing on participate ends up being irrelevant because the facts would support several of the federal crimes. remember, in a federal investigation, alison, you will be looking to explore whether or not the crimes were committed, and based upon the evidence that you obtained what would be sustained in an indictment. at this point in time the reality is such that, you know, the giuliani angle -- he seems to be the common denominator. we heard it through the impeachment hearings over the last few weeks.
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giuliani's name has been used as the access point in terms of the person running the arms-for-dirt campaign rick talks about. giuliani's involvement in inescapable, and so ultimately the question ends up being will giuliani save himself and, you know, people keep on talking about the use of a presidential pardon for somebody like, i don't know, paul manafort, who i know has state charges but also somebody like roger stone. so will a presidential pardon be on the table for somebody like rudy giuliani? remember, giuliani said, "hey, i have insurance if something goes awry with something like donald trump." but the federal charges are serious. alison, you mentioned one that's like mail fraud and wire fraud. there's a lot of ways to get caught in that type of web of entanglement and so giuliani has serious federal exposure at this time. >> katie, do you think the feds are trying to get giuliani to flip on the president? >> sure, i would, but giuliani is tainted goods. does he have information? he's such a bumbling fool
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there's no value add to what he does. the real turkey this year is rudy giuliani. we talk about hired guns, but he is a gun with blanks. the guy doesn't really deliver what he is supposed to do and he is desperate for money. because of that, you know, he will be selling america to the highest bidder, and i guess at this point in time it was the ukrainian government. >> rick, do you see the potential that any of this moves the needle in terms of what republicans think of impeachment? certainly the information we've had so far doesn't seem to have. >> it is hard to say they haven't moved now. all there have been in the profiles of cowardice and the only people that have spoken out against the president are those that aren't running gen. i don't think i would want to live with that as my legacy. this stuff is not really hard to understand. by the way, rudy giuliani made his -- he became famous after 9/11 but before that he built a career on the idea you could actually prevent crimes before they happen. i think it is sort of ironic now he is saying, you know, i didn't actually -- by the way, also he
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did sign a deal. he signed a deal with the prosecutor, lutsenko. you help me with the prosecutor now. >> lutsenko. >> the prosecutor, he signed it. it didn't get countersigned so it wasn't a completed contract. but the idea that you would represent the president for free and then you would sign a deal with foreign government or someone representing a foreign government is insane. it is absurd. >> rick tyler, katie phang, hagar chemali, thank you all. happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. pete buttigieg is on the rise but past comments continue to dog him. how can he turn things around with black voters? und with black voters? granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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a dozen county chairs and strategists in the state telling "politico" warren is no longer viewed at front-runner there. they're turning the shift to new scrutiny, including attacks from rivals as well as his struggles defending her health care plan. with us two democratic strategists in south carolina, antoine sewright who worked on hilary clinton's 2018 and 2016 campaigns. in washington kristin hahn, the add siz advisor for the blue dog coalition in congress. on that point, she is concerned that the same scrutiny has not been applied to rivals on how they will pay for the health care plan. do they have a point? has the scrutiny been unfair? >> i don't think so. it is not surprising to me. you look at an issue like health care, people win and lose elections, they win and lose primaries and general elections on the issue of health care. it is deeply personal to people. so, you know, while in the beginning medicare for all might have, you know, sounded good
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because people like medicare and you take that name and people associate certain things with it. you know, the sooner that people started to realize that that meant an almost assured tax increase on the middle class, and they could no longer keep the health care, the employer-based health care that they had, it is no surprise that it caused her numbers to plummet. >> antoine, warren is struggling nationally and dropping in two new polls. is it normal for a front-runner or should her campaign be concern right now? >> several things. i think it speaks to what i learned growing up in the ame church that to whom much is given much is required. when you are the front-runner you have to expect people are going to define you for the policy positions you may advocate for or positions you may take. that's number one. number two, it also speaks to what this business is all about, ebbs and flows. i think elizabeth warren is experiencing this, and then the third thing, it shows a disconnect i think between the temperature on the ground and maybe the temperature online and
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within the democratic bubble. the sugar high can sometimes wear off. that's what i said on this network from the very beginning. this brie marry is a marathon, not a sprint. direction is more important, and in the words of mike tyson, peaking at the right time is so important. >> it sure is. do you expect that warren will also bounceback and is there something that she needs to do to make it happen? >> look, she still has a really strong ground game in iowa, and so i wouldn't -- and it is still early. you look in past presidential primaries and, you know, the front-runner at this point in time is hardly, you know, going to be the candidate ultimately. >> yeah. >> so, you know, i think you got to -- like i said, it is a marathon, not a sprint. i'm not sure that there's a time that's better to peak or not. certainly on the caucus day, that would be a great time to peak. >> that would be optimal. >> can i -- >> of course, antoine.
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go for it. >> can i say one thing to that? >> sure. >> i know flirting with iowa and that's all good and it may be for the moment, but i will go back to old faithful, the most important state in this presidential nominating process will be south carolina. look, you will not have a better reflection i think of the temperature and the mood of our party until you goet to south carolina. actually any candidate can do well before you get to south carolina and stumble, and then that could be really the benediction to their candidacy. i will tell you i would diverse in the most diverse state early on in this process where we normally have our big say-so in who the democratic nominee will be, and that's south carolina. >> let's talk about south carolina. let's talk about the black vote. antoine, pete buttigieg rising in new national polls, but among black voters at 4%, trailing bernie sanders, joe biden, elizabeth warren and kamala harris. can he close the gap and how does he do that?
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>> well, let me say two things about that. number of numbne, you cannot be democratic nominee without broad, deep, wide or strong support in communities that look like mine among the most loyal voter block, african-american voters. there are some campaigns and strategists and pundits, et cetera, that think somehow or another you can rewrite the playbook. when it comes to the coalition that takes the win of our party's nomination, i would tell them to check history, and i would remind them that african-american voters realize their net worth more so than any other presidential cycle. i think we're going to -- our community is going to come out in full force and making a decision about who our nominee will be. if you stumble in the primary, that tells me there's a good chance it would be very difficult to raise the enthusiasm in a general election in which we know we have to max mis-african-american turnout to have a chance to be successful.
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>> nbc was first to report that buttigieg is going on the air with his first ads in the state. is it smart strategy for him there? >> i think he has to play there. he's not where obama was. i know that he has been trying to draw this comparison in fundraising e-mails and in public pitches as he's talking to voters between him and barack obama in 2008, and i think in a lot of ways it is a false comparison and he should be careful doing that. but i mean certainly he has to spend money in south carolina if he is going to make up lost time there. >> look, he's claimed it is a bit of -- antoine, jump in. sure. >> but spending money in the state is one thing, but spending money on the right message and in the right place is another. >> right. >> my leader whip clyburn says the key to a successful campaign in this environment is talking about how you make the american experiment accessible and affordable. unless you do that and unless you spend money in communities that will ultimately have a say-so in who our nominee will be, i think you are wasting time
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honest li a honestly and resources. >> part of pete buttigieg's argument is that he doesn't have enough recognition in south carolina. will ads help in that regard or is it not enough? >> i totally agree. you have to have the boots on the ground. you have to spend the time with the communities that matter, and you have to have the right message. but just as far as television buys, you have to be up on television, you know, and i think clyburn is exactly right and he knows south carolina obviously better than anybody out there. you have to be on tv as well. so i'm hoping that there's a -- as somebody who does like the mayor and i like that he brings a different perspective, you know, that's like a far left perspective, you know, i don't think that he's done enough in south carolina. >> okay. >> but. >> thanks. >> he has to be up on television at least. >> guys, we have to go. a very happy thanksgiving to you. antoine, kristin, thank you both. >> happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. pg&e, pacific gas and electric, facing massive criticism over the rolling
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firefighters there about how climate change is causing wildfires to get bigger and spent a day with electricity crews prepping to avoid the next round of fires. >> reporter: 81-year-old dr. glen benjamin appears to be in constant conflict with california's most historic fires. two years ago -- >> we're absolutely square in the middle of the tubbs fire. >> reporter: last year? >> the mendocino complex fire. >> reporter: and this year? >> i guess it was my turn to get caught. i lost this and my main ranch. >> hey, bud. time to go. >> reporter: in california, fire season is no longer just a season, it is constant. the state a the state's deadliest fire as well as the most expensive and largest fire both occurred last year. records don't last long here. this year winds inside the kincade fire clocked in at more than 90 miles per hour. >> we packed up our house and our son and -- >> reporter: amy and marshal have been battling the fires for
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more than two decades. as the climate changes, so too do the fires. >> we are seeing 100,000 acre fires multiple times a year sometimes. it is much different from when i started 20-something years ago. >> reporter: what does the power shutting off do to your ability to fight the fires. >> at the home level it affects gates and garage doors. >> pg&e is expected to cut power to more than 800,000 customers. >> we don't have power. i have folks in rural areas without water. >> i can't help but think maybe it is an overreaction. >> pg&e says warm panld windy conditions create higher risk of its equipment sparking a fire. >> that's very frustrating and i think there has to be a better way. >> pg&e as we know it cannot persist and continue. >> reporter: the search for culpability is a visceral one inside this state. many, including the governor, are quick to blame the utility company that runs power to the majority of the state, pacific
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gas & electric. >> this is not from my perspective a climate-change story as much as a story about greed and mismanagement over the course of decades. >> reporter: while recent investigations have found the company's equipment likely responsible for starting nearly 2,000 fires in the last five years, the search for responsibility has at times turned ugly. >> things are being thrown at folks. people's lives have been threatened. >> reporter: more and more people across the state are living in wild areas that are also high-risk fire zones called the wildland urban interface. >> in 2012 about 15% of our service area, which is 70,000 square miles, was considered extreme or elevated fire threat. the sierras of 2019, more than 50% of our service area is in that elevated or extreme wildfire threat. >> reporter: after the deadly fires in 2018 the company filed for bankruptcy, citing debt in excess of $50 billion, making the challenge of improving fire
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safety in a state battling climb change that much more daunting. >> it is not all pg&e's fault. the state of california should have been cleaning this out a long time ago instead of waiting until hell breaks lose and then blame it on pg&e. >> reporter: pg&e calls this systems hardening. the idea is to replace the more vulnerable pieces of equipment, but also to keep the trees back a safe distance from the equipment. the company says by the end of 2019 they will have hardened more than 150 miles of line, but the goal is to harden more than 7,000 miles of line in the next ten years. that work starts in areas most vulnerable to fires, a large american gas and electric company in the unique and ironic position of citing climate change as partly responsible for the disasters. >> we are out in the field doing our help with folks and it seems that more of the job is climate
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related. do you think it is true for pg&e as well? >> certainly over the last few years we have seen a change in unprecedented weather conditions and fire conditions across our state. >> it is hotter. it is dryer. weather events, wind events, there's more of them, and, unfortunately, with some of the weather that we're seeing and the winds, mother nature wins. that was cal per require reporting from california. those wildfires breaking out just as an alarming new report says we are still heading towards a climate change catastrophe. what drastic actions the u.n. says are needed to get us back on track. ♪
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the u.n. out with a major new report on the climate, and in a word it calls the findings bleak. despite repeated warning it says countries failed to stop the growth of green house emissions, reaching a record high in 2018. the biggest contributor shown here on absolute levels and on a per capita basis the u.s. is at the top. the new target for cutting emissions now tripling from what was setback in 2019. it was set back in 2010. with us is chris mooney with "the washington post". help us to understand the significance of this report in
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practical terms. it sounds terrifying. what is it saying about the direction we're heading in here? >> what it is basically saying is because the world has not cut emissions they're still rising. it gets harder and harder and harder to limit warming to safe levels. now they're saying you need to cut them 7.6% per year over the next ten years, and that basically means taking a large emitting economy the size of india off the map. >> wow. >> once every year in order to do it. that's the equivalent of the size of what they're talking about. size of what they're talking about. >> what needs to happen to turn the trend around? >> there's not global policy sufficiently strong to change the trend. you know, economic growth continues to drive more people people wanting to buy things, using energy and electricity is still the extended. all the trajectory is leading to
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people using more and more. >> can we see the big emissions cuts recommending actually set into motions? we are seeing any k-inds of shifts? >> that's when we'll see in 2020 if anything remotely scaled through the size of what needs to be done. the people we are watching it closely. as of now, what countries are promising and what needs to be done is an enormous gap. that's the message from the u.n. >> you have a new article, some of the consequences of this crisis being felt in a fishing town. the gradual disappearing fish is death now. a town of 50,000 that has little to offer the president. fish are suffocating in oxygen depleted water and the water is heating up rapidly here than anyone else on the planet. why is the water heating faster
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there than other parts of the world? what's going on the. certain parts of the world are warming much faster. angola is being in pointed by a global changes wind and ocean currents that leads the current changes in this one spot and in this fishing town seeing 2 celsius diseaegrees warming. it is very sad because you have massive over fishing here. a trickle whammy that's happening. >> people think while this is happening some where else and angola and that's far from where i live. is what's happening here other parts of our world can expect if we don't take serious action?
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>> sure. >> but everybody is going to reach that point unless radical cuts are taken in the next ten years and it is not clear of the kind of cuts they are talking about are on the menu. >> what do we need the u.s. to do here? we know how president trump felt about the paris climate. what do we hope the u.s. to do to contribute on our end. >> we are continuing to grow our economy and more people driving cars and so unless you take really strong steps, you are not going to stop the enertia. the u.s. seen a soft decline since about 10 years ago. now we are starting to go up again. we are one of the world's largest. it is not clear how the u.s. will change itstrajectory. other countries are struggling.
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we are minutes away from the thanksgiving day parade in new york city. we got 26 floats, 1200 dancers
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and 16 iconic balloons. they are ready to go. let's check in with nbc's gabe gutierrez out the crowd here. those balloons are going to nfl, correct? >> good morning. we have a bit of a breaking news right now. nypd tweeting out that astronaut snoopy is ready to take off. we are very excited. where are you guys from? >> bellevue, illinois. >> how excited are you right now? >> we are excited to be here. we are just minutes away. everybody give me a happy thanksgiving. >> one, two, three! happy thanksgiving. >> more than 3 million people are expected to be here, people are here from all over the world. look at this. >> they're so excited, tens of millions of couples will be
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watching this on el visitelevis. the big question were those balloons going to fly? the weather seems to be cooperating. wind gusts if they exceed 34 miles per hour. these balloons will be grounded. things seem to be okay. >> we are so excited to be here. >> right now looks like the balloons are going to fly, right? >> yes, they are. the winds are calm. >> what balloons are you most looking forward to? >> i am looking forward to the lego one. >> not snoopy? >> snoopy, too. nypd says they'll have a police officer with every balloon just to make sure those kinwinds don get out of control. this entire crowd is very excited. >> back to you, allison. >> gabe gutierrez, great news on that. we are psyched for astronaut snoopy. >> thank you for watching this
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hour. right now more news with my colleague chrisjansing. happy thanksgiving. >> have you do the parade in. >> i have not. >> thank you, happy thanksgiving allison and to all of you. >> i am chris jansing. new reports raised hundreds of thousands of questions of what the president's personal lawyer was doing in ukraine while at the same time conducting an off the bookstore strategy for the white house. mayor pete buttigieg plans to push in south carolina after facing criticism for his comments on race and still failed to connect with black voters despite his poll numbers. up, up and away the famous balloons for the macy's thanksgiving parade are flying today. nypd gave an all clear for the balloons with a small


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