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>> i got a phone call. "somethin' is wrong with brandy. she's not movin, car's running." emergency vehicles, officers -- that's as far as i could go. there's my baby and i can't do nothin' about it. >> reporter: she was a hard-working young wife and mom. >> sweetest girl you could ever ask to meet. >> reporter: just minutes from home when she saw the headlights. >> somebody was tailin' her. >> my sister is in the driveway and her head is bloody. >> reporter: so you bury your girl.
and then it's a murder investigation. >> yep. >> reporter: there were two people brandy feared. one in town. >> she thought she was being followed. >> reporter: one thousands of miles away. >> josh was still in alaska. >> reporter: and then there was the new man in her life. >> anybody close to brandy, we need to take a real hard, serious look at. >> reporter: no fingerprints. no dna. and no arrests, for years. >> reporter: you're grieving, how do you put all that awful time together, molly? >> day by day. >> reporter: then hints emerge of someone's dark past. >> you've got robberies going on, the homicide. >> reporter: and one brave woman willing to talk. >> he told me the same that happened to brandy would happen to me. >> reporter: the question wasn't just who murdered a young mother. it was why? >> there was no money. there just wasn't a reason to do it. >> she didn't hurt nobody. she didn't bother nobody, why did they have to kill her? . >> out there in the dark.
hello, welcome to "dateline extra." i'm craig melvin. 29-year-old brandy daniels just left work and was driving on an isolated road and got the eery feeling that someone was following her. or could she be imagining things? surely, her feelings were right. she was slumped over in her car. why would anybody want to kill the mother? investigators search for a motive and the killer. here's dennis murphy. >> reporter: it was a chillier than usual monday night in may, as brandy daniels drove home from her shift at kohl's. zanesville in eastern ohio is the kind of not-too-big, not-too-small, city where you can be off the downtown grid and into wooded rolling hills in just a few minutes. and out there in the dark, that's where this 25-year-old single mom was heading -- back
home to her daughter waiting to be tucked in at brandy's mom's house out in the country where she'd been living lately. brandy had been through a rough few months, years really. but one of the big reason things were finally turning around for her was that soothing voice on the cellphone this night, her fiance, talking her home. >> i'm just talkin' to her as she's driving home. trying to drive a stick shift, which she'd just learned, talkin' on the phone. >> reporter: the fiance was craig berry, her older boyfriend. >> i'm a hairstylist, have been for years. >> reporter: one day, brandy walked into craig's salon. >> we hit it off. >> reporter: women are very funny about who they will turn their head over to isn't it? >> yeah, we turned out to be really good friends. the most beautiful eyes you ever saw. >> reporter: like the song, brandy turned out to be a fine girl for craig and that, right away mutual attraction, grew into something more serious. >> touched my heart. immediately. it was connection like i've never felt. and -- it just kept gettin' bigger and bigger every time we talked. we were lookin' at houses. >> reporter: you guys were fixin' to marry?
>> oh, yeah. yeah. >> reporter: count brandy's mom, molly edwards, among the many people thrilled at the arrival of craig in her life -- just when you needed something nice to happen. craig, what did you think of him? >> he was really nice. he put her first. he put her first. >> reporter: growing up, brandy wasn't much for barbie dolls but give her a sketch pad and a pencil and she was lost for hours. she loved to draw. she had a deft eye for realistic wildlife portraits. >> she took every kinda art class there was. if it had anything to do with art, she took it. >> reporter: brandy enrolled at her local college, zane state, but before her freshman year was up she left school to marry josh daniels, a part-time student she'd met. not too long after, she had news for mom. >> she called me up said that she was pregnant. >> reporter: you must have been so torn up. >> i was. that was my baby.
>> reporter: brandy, husband josh, and the baby daughter were living nearby. >> you couldn't ask for a better mother. if it was somethin' that she needed or the little girl needed, the baby got it first. >> reporter: and how did grandmother like her new baby? >> the baby got everything. yes, yes. >> reporter: the marriage after seven years of trying foundered. she filed for divorce. >> reporter: she seemed to be on the other side, molly, of a really rough patch in her life. >> yes. >> reporter: but on this may night as she was driving home from work, with fiance craig in her ear, he heard brandy starting to sound edgy. >> she says -- somebody was tailin' her. you know, "these people need to get off my butt." and the phone just -- went dead. >> reporter: went dead? >> i text her, you know? "what's up?" so about ten minutes pass by, and i called her sister. and said, "is brandy home yet?" she goes, "no." and i said, "well -- her call dropped on me and she shoulda been comin' in the door by now." she said, "you want me to go check?"
i said, "would 'ya?" >> reporter: brandy's kid-sister tess, headed up the almost half mile-long drive from her mom's house to look for her. >> just a few minutes later, her sister calls me back and is -- losin' it. she was at the top of the driveway. and she says -- "i see her car. her headlights are on, but it's not movin'. her head's slumped down." and then she just become hysterical. and i said, "i'll be there." i said, "you need to call the cops." >> 911 your emergency? >> reporter: the muskingum county 911 center fielded the call. >> my sister is in my driveway and her head is bloody and she's not moving. i just need someone to come quick, please. i'm just scared i need someone to come now. [ crying ] >> stay on the line with me while i get the squad on the way. >> reporter: fiance craig was on his way too. there was his girlfriend's little nissan sentra in the drive. >> i pull in right behind her car. and -- there's a sheriff there already. and i'm walkin' up to the car. and i see her in the -- driver's seat. and -- i said, "what's wrong?"
he goes, "i think she's been shot." >> reporter: nothing can prepare you for that, huh? >> no. she was dead. that's what he told me. >> reporter: he told you that at the scene? >> yeah, and "stay away. you don't wanna contaminate the -- crime scene." >> reporter: no bridge ahead. into the abyss. >> blew me outta the water. >> reporter: brandy's mom was just leaving the bottle factory where she worked. >> 11:05, i got a phone call. and i went runnin' out to the truck. tess said, "somethin' is wrong with brandy. we get home. >> reporter: see emergency vehicles, officers. >> we go right off into the driveway. and that's as far as i could go. >> reporter: the car with the driver side window down, the vehicle stalled in first gear, and brandy inside looking rag doll, shot three times execution style. the detectives were arriving. >> reporter: who'd want brandy dead? it's always the husband, right? maybe not this time.
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welcome back to "dateline extra" withever shot brandy was aimed to kill. she was shot in her car execution style. two people were close to braepd, her estranged husband and fiance. they would talk to each of them soon, but the investigation was just minutes old and detectives first wanted to know what the
scene could tell them. here again is dennis murphy. s d. . >> >> reporter: it was may 5th, 2014. the car was at the head of the driveway. lights on and two county detectives arriving to try to figure out what had happened to the young woman dead in the drivers seat. detective mike ryan and captain steve welker in the first minutes of what would be a years long investigation. >> mike and i arrived at about the same time. >> did the scene explain itself to you? >> we could see the basics of what had happened. >> reporter: their victim brandy daniels had been shot three times at close range. crime scene techs would later recover three shell casings and a clip for a semi-automatic pistol. brandy's purse and phone were beside her. >> we eliminated robbery -- almost immediately. because there was an amount of money there that somebody woulda took if it would've been a robbery. >> reporter: as the csi's took their photos and estimated bullet trajectories, gathered blood, dna, brandy's mom,
sister, and fiancee watched on in blank horror. >> what do you remember about the rest of that night? >> sittin' in -- in the vehicle behind her car. just watchin' it. >> and there's your girl, gone. >> there's my baby and i can't do nothin' about it. it was 2:00. went to the house. 4:00, detectives came down to the house, said that they removed her and the car. >> reporter: who would benefit from a single mom's death? of course, the questioning turned quickly to the soon-to-be-divorced husband, the father of the little girl. brandy's mom told them about josh daniels. said he was a personal trainer at the gym and an obsessive weighlifter. >> when you ran him through the computer, what'd you find out did he have priors? >> he did not. >> he was not on law enforcement's radar. >> reporter: not on law enforcement's radar, but none the less, somebody they wanted to talk to right now. but, there was a problem, a big one. there was every reason to believe he wasn't in the
driveway that night but 4,300 miles away in alaska. josh had moved up there to be near his mom. he'd found work in the prudo bay oil fields. >> josh was, in fact, still in alaska that night. >> so that's a pretty good alibi. >> yes. >> because there's domestic turmoil doesn't mean you'd necessarily have a suspect though, does it? >> -- not necessarily. >> doesn't explain why she's dead in this vehicle, huh? >> but -- it's a good idea to eliminate the husband as a suspect in the get-go. >> reporter: detective ryan called josh daniels on alaska's north slope. >> can you discern things like demeanor or attitude through the phone line? >> not really. i wasn't -- detectin' shock or -- or grief, or anything like that. >> but nothing you can hang your hat on either, huh? >> no. one of the questions i asked him was, "who have you been -- talkin' to here in zanesville?" and he gave me a list, about a half a dozen -- people. >> reporter: daniels told the detective he'd return to zanesville as soon as he could. but there was another person much closer that the cops had to figure out: craig berry, the fiancee. >> he is the last person known to have talked to her?
>> yes. >> did you wonder what was goin' on with the boyfriend? he's quite an older guy. he's got 20 years on your victim, right? >> yes. >> so he is a person of interest until he's not, i'm guessing, huh? >> well, at that point anybody close to brandy, we need to take a real hard, serious look at. >> reporter: within hours of brandy's death, craig got the third-degree. >> were they askin' you hard questions? >> "where have you been? what are you doin'?" >> did you think, "wow, they think i'm a suspect here?" >> oh, yeah. well, that's common, right. >> until you're in it and then there's a cop right in your grill. >> right. they asked for my cell phone. i handed it over right then. >> how long did that last? >> i got home at 5:30 that morning. >> reporter: then the legwork of the investigation began in earnest. starting with where she was last seen alive. >> so you're talkin' to your victim's co-workers. what's the picture comin' together there? >> they all described brandy as a very good young lady. a devoted mother -- in -- a marriage that she really wanted to get out of. >> reporter: patrol officers traced the route from kohl's to the murder scene, hoping they'd
find a security cam that recorded brandy's car headed home. >> the boyfriend's story is there's a guy right on her bumper. but that image doesn't show up anywhere, huh? >> no. >> reporter: when the lab results came back: disappointment. no useful figerprints or dna. and the long slog of getting search warrants to recover data from the cellphone and the towers the signals bounce off of, had only just begun. a few days after the murder brandy's husband josh returned to zanesville from alaska. they met him downtown at his lawyer's office. he was fully cooperative. the detectives asked for his cell phone. >> he and his attorney -- voluntarily turned it over. >> now you can look him in the eye, and you can check out his demeanor. what are you seeing? >> josh was -- very cool and collected. he looked very confident. >> reporter: with the data from his phone on the way to the lab, josh returned to alaska with his eight-year-old daughter. molly and her family had buried their brandy but no one was coming to terms with the magnitude of this crime. >> did the officers tell you anything about how the case would go? >> they figured that it'd be
summed up within a couple days. >> reporter: if only. coming up: a new suspect. but he has an alibi. >> i was at my girl friend's house. >> was he telling the truth? it tells the tale. >> you were sure he wasn't in the house? >> he was not in the house then. >> there is a window of opportunity in there in which he could have easily have done this crime, yes. >> when "out there in the dark" continues. in the dark" continues. mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!! to help more employees achieve their dreams.
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mom, found shot to death in the front seat of her car in the family driveway. detectives put her fiance craig through the wringer. but his story including about his last text to brandy checked out. >> within two or three days we were sure that he was cleared. >> reporter: but craig wasn't a total dead end. the fiance did have a tip for the detectives. he told them they should check out a fellow gym rat of josh daniels, a guy who gave brandy the creeps, someone with an unusual first name, sirius. sirius e. underwood when they ran the name, investigators found a son of a local preacher, who'd had some juvenile offenses but in the years since had redeemed himself. he graduated from zane state, got a good job with a local manufacturer and seemed to charm every woman he met. four days into their investigation, detective brady hittle found sirius at a girlfriend's place. >> i asked him if i could look at his cell phone. if i could take it back to the office, and download it. he agreed to let me do that. >> how'd he present himself? >> calm.
>> he claimed he didn't know brandy was killed. just calm, cool, and collected. >> reporter: sirius came to the sheriff's office. >> we'll put it in airplane mode. >> reporter: while the squad's phone expert examined his cell, sirius explained how he knew brandy's husband josh. >> we went to zane state together. >> okay. >> i worked out with him and stuff like that. >> reporter: he said he hardly knew brandy. >> i didn't, like, meet her meet her, i seen her one time. >> reporter: as for his pal josh up in alaska? sirius said they hadn't been in contact for a while. >> when was the last time, he sent you a text, he called you? >> i'll say about two or three weeks ago. >> it was not this week? >> i didn't talk to him this week, no. >> reporter: sirius said he'd been with his girlfriend around the time cops believe brandy died. >> and went to my girlfriend's house and i kind of stayed the night there. >> reporter: officers returned sirius's iphone and thanked him for coming in. wendy lemon, the girlfriend in sirius' alibi, was next up on the detective's list of people to talk to.
wendy, a mother of five, said she met sirius a couple of years earlier at the same place brandy and josh got together zane state college. >> i just knew from the moment i met sirius that this is just a new friend. happy. always smiling. >> reporter: the mid-life single mom back to college and deans list student sirius were ambassadors for their school. they were just looking for a face for zane state college that would be friendly, and that would be outgoing, and so that we could go to different events in the community, as well as giving tours on campus. >> sirius had found time to work as a campus security guard, and that's where he met josh, who did the same thing. sirius was an overachiever even featured in brochures about the college. wendy liked almost everything about him. they became a couple. >> one year for my birthday he totally set up an entire day skydiving. >> happy birthday! >> thank you! >> woo! >> it was so amazing. so awesome.
we took motorcycle rides, and went on picnics. >> reporter: now wendy found herself caught in the undertow of a homicide investigation. cops had her downtown the same day as sirius. >> i just wanna let you know, you're not under arrest, okay? >> reporter: detective ryan asked about the night of the murder. he used wendy's texts with sirius to refresh her memory. >> could you put it here so we both could see? >> oh, yeah. >> may 5th. >> reporter: did wendy's texts that night fit in the timeline they were building of brandy's murder? and did they speak to sirius' whereabouts? >> at 11 o'clock, when you type these you were sure he was not in the house at 11:00? at eleven o'clock, he was not at your house. >> he was not in my house then. >> reporter: sirius arrived, wendy said, after that eleven o'clock text. sirius had given the cops wendy as his alibi and she'd inadvertently only made him someone detectives needed to take a closer look at. >> there's a window of opportunity in there in which he
could easily have done this crime. >> yes. >> reporter: and there was another thing, the squad's phone expert filled them in about some internet searches he'd found on sirius's device. >> sirius had opened every news article that had to do with the homicide. >> reporter: interesting because earlier in the day he claimed he didn't know brandy was murdered. question was sirius the gunman in brandy's driveway? he seemed to be no more than a casual friend of josh's from the gym, but when the i.t. guys cracked josh daniels' phone use history it told a different story. >> what had he deleted? >> a lot of text messages. >> to whom? >> sirius underwood. sirius underwood was, by far, the one he was in contact the most. >> what's your thinking? >> when we first talked to josh he never mentioned sirius underwood. why would they be lyin' to us about that? >> reporter: why indeed? the story told by the phones the concealed relationship fed a growing theory of the crime they were looking at a long distance killing between ohio and alaska. if that was their case, then technology was going to be as valuable to them as dna or
bloody fingerprints. the first big question, did the killer assuming he was a man have a phone on him when he did the shooting. and, what tower near the murder scene had the phone pinged off? >> we had tons of and i'm not exaggerating, thousands upon thousands, upon thousands of phone calls that hit all these various towers. >> reporter: in that electronic haystack, a sharp-eyed cop noticed a call around the time they believed brandy was killed. it was made from a number with a 310 area code now normally that's southern california. the county lawmen traced that 310 number back to an anonymous disposable phone, a burner purchased in zanesville a week before brandy died. >> i get the call records for the 310 area phone, and start combing through those. he only called two people. a second burner phone and josh daniels. those were the only two. >> reporter: was this their breakthrough? that burner phone, at the right time, right place, had called josh's phone in alaska. then the phone techs did another
extraction of josh's phone, and they retrieved something josh thought he'd deleted. >> a voicemail that was left on josh daniels' cell phone from this california area code. >> hey, what's up, man? it's me. hey, hit me up on this phone right here whenever you need to talk about something. hear me? holla at me later. bye. >> reporter: detective hittle's ears perked right up when he heard it. >> i listened it to and now i know that that phone, 310, is sirius underwood's. that is his voice. >> reporter: the detectives wanted another, technically deeper dive into sirius' i-phone, which they'd returned to him. sirius came downtown again, as requested, but while the cops were preoccupied chasing down a search warrant for his device, he outfoxed them. sirius found a computer and remotely wiped his phone clean. >> when i reached in i got sirius' phone, i could see that it had been reset, factory restored from the icloud. >> so whatever story he was gonna -- tell, you weren't gonna hear it? >> there was nothing left on
that phone. >> pretty clever. . >> it was like a whole evidence locker going up in smoke. detectives knew they were behind brandy's murder, but could they prove it? >> >> we knew at that time we had a serious problem with our evidence. we were not dead in the water, but we were definitely struggling. >> announcer: coming up, a stalled case. >> are you startin' to lose faith in your police? the investigation. >> it was stressful. >> announcer: and then a threat convinces a woman to talk. >> he told me the same that happened to brandy would happen to me. >> what did he say happened to brandy? >> he killed her. he killed her. . >> when "out there in the dark" continues. >> when "out there in the dark" continues. but one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with renters insurance. ♪
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tuesday. while the president will not be represented by wednesday, the white house did not rule out participating in future hearings. in the northeast, the first snowfall, the winter storm moved into the region. some areas of upstate new york, new england, expect more than a foot of snow overnight into monday. now book to "dateline." [ music playing ] welcome back to ""dateline"extra." i'm craig melvin. detectives were zeroing in on two men in the brandy daniels' murder investigation. her ex-husband and sirius underwood. there was not enough evidence just yet then a long distance phone call came in and the investigation they were about to get would be a game changer. once again, here's dennis murphy. >> reporter: investigators were pretty sure they had the right guys for brandy daniels' murder. they'd learned a lot about just how awful her marriage to josh
was. cops found a 911 call brandy had made six months before her murder. >> zanesville police and fire. >> i'm in a abusive >> i'm in a abusive relationship and i'm afraid to go home. and um -- tell my husband that i want to leave but he won't let me. and it gets physical. >> reporter: brandy didn't request a deputy that night, but she did file a restraining order against josh when she left him. cops knew josh's buddy from the gym, sirius, was likely involved in the murder, but they just couldn't tie the two of them together despite some suspicious phone traffic between the pair. an additional difficulty in the investigation was the fact that josh was still living in alaska, about as far away as you could get from ohio and still be in the same country. josh daniels was here starting his new chapter, living in wasilla about an hour outside of anchorage with his mother and step-father. keeping tabs on him from thousands of miles away were the
zanesville police, and they were seeing some patterns. when he wasn't working a job in the north slope oil fields, he was partying, pumping iron and chasing women. back in zanesville, meanwhile, the cops kept the pressure up on the person they did have in their zip code, sirius underwood. the detectives were all over his girlfriend wendy. >> every time that i had a little spat or whatever i was sirius, they would always show up, again, "just wondered if maybe you remembered something." >> trying to find you at a vulnerable moment -- >> yes, yes and -- like, "i've already told you every single thing, and it's never going to change. if you don't lie, you don't have to cover a lie." >> reporter: brandy's mother was losing faith in cops ever making an arrest in the case of her daughter's brutal murder. >> are they saying, "trust us"? >> yeah. every time we'd hear somethin', we'd contact 'em. still need to get more evidence. still need to get more evidence. >> reporter: but something was about to happen and it was enormous.
call it a good luck bolt from the land of the midnight sun: alaska was calling. it was three months to the day after brandy's murder when the ohio investigators got a phone call from up here in wasilla. it was a woman on the line saying that she had been seeing josh daniels, and she had a story to tell the police, something he had told her. well, when detectives ryan and hittle heard that, they were on the plane to alaska within hours. the young woman explained she and josh had been engaged at the time of brandy's death. but he had commitment issues. >> he lied all the time. he was dating multiple people at the same time. >> reporter: she had the detectives undivided attention as she related what an intoxicated josh told her on the fourth of july. >> and he told me -- the same that happened to brandy would . >> what did he say happened to braepd? >> he kill her. he kill her. >> he said, "i killed her--" >> yes. yes. >> do you remember what his exact words were? >> he said that -- he killed
brandy with a phone call. and i believe everything he said. i believe that he killed her and i was so afraid. >> did he say who -- killed brandy? >> he said it's a black guy at the gym that was in his group of people. >> reporter: it looked as though the detectives were ready to put a bow on their investigation. take the blizzard of messages between the two men, mix in the geography of the cell phone towers that put a suspect burner phone tied to sirius right near the crime scene, and now add in the story of the woman from alaska who'd apparently heard a confession and you should be ready to swear out arrest warrants. not quite. when the detectives got back to ohio, their first stop was at the office of state's attorney mike haddox. >> and they come to you and say are we there yet? >> yes. >> and you're tellin' 'em, "no, you're not quite there." >> yeah. i wanted to make sure that before we took the case to grand jury that we had a motive. obviously, in the case of josh daniels, the -- the husband, we had a motive. marriage was breaking up.
he'd been violent with her in the past. >> but he was thousands of m -- miles away -- >> that's correct. >> in alaska at the time of the killing. >> we knew he didn't pull the trigger. >> couldn't put the gun in his hand. >> when we came up with -- with sirius underwood. well, the most obvious is there's been some sort of a payment. we spent about a year lookin' through bank accounts couldn't find any. >> reporter: almost two years went by and nothing. >> how do you put all that awful time together, molly? >> day by day. >> are you startin' to lose faith in your police? the investigation. >> it was stressful. mike ryan, he would call. i said, "have you heard anything?" "oh, we still have to get some more - more evidence, more evidence." >> reporter: but it's funny how things sometime work out, because the investigators were about to get another bolt out of the blue lead like the one from alaska. it began with, of all things, a message to the facebook page of
the zanesville p.d. the tipster had volunteered that her husband was part of a stick-up gang. >> we came in and spoke with her and obtained a lot of valuable information for this investigation. >> reporter: detective phil michel of the zanesville p.d. had been working for two years on a string of armed robberies. when got the facebook tipster in for an interview, guess who she identified as two members of the robbery crew? none other than sirius underwood and josh daniels! if the tipster could be believed: they'd been bandits together two years before brandy would be found shot to death. the woman confirmed something detective michel had long suspected, but been unable to prove: that the robbery of a local department store had been an inside job. josh daniels had been working at the store at the time and handed over seven thousand dollars to a masked gunman. >> if we had been here on january 1st, 2012, what might we have seen? >> you can see an individual come from the southwest side of the parking lot -- he stuck the
gun in josh's face -- >> shows a pistol. >> he ended up falling down. being knocked down. >> reporter: the tipster claimed that josh wasn't the victim of the robbery but actually one of the participants. and, that his pal sirius had been the mastermind not only of the department store job, but the prime mover in a crime wave -- responsible for multiple armed robberies -- most of them captured on surveillance video. the two bodybuilders' secret sideline was a head-snapping revelation. >> sirius underwood at night is over here robbin' drug dealers, or he's robbin' tumbleweed restaurants, or they're hittin', you know, gabrielle brothers. but during the day, he's the sweetest guy, loves the women, they love him. he'll train with you. posterboy, just an all-around great american. >> reporter: the cops believed that linking sirius and his partner in crime josh daniels to the violent robberies would help nail the two for brandy daniels' murder. >> we're on the right track for the robberies. we're gonna go try to confront josh. >> reporter: back to alaska. when josh landed at anchorage
international on his way home from the north slope, airport police whisked him into their office. detective michel showed josh photographs of the department story robbery suspects. >> have you ever seen him before, around the store, or anything like that? >> no. >> reporter: detective michel then handed josh another photo. >> you ever seen sirius underwood? >> yeah. i used to work with him. >> would you have talked to sirius that day would he have called you or texted you or anything like that? >> nh-uh. >> not at all? >> no. >> reporter: really? the cop accused josh of lying. of being up to his eyeballs in the robberies. >> so if you guys came up with some dumbass scheme to take some money, then be honest with me. >> no. >> reporter: josh stuck to his story. then lawyered up. the detectives flying home to ohio knew they had more work to do but in any conspiracy, there's a weak link. they just had to pick their man and break him. >> reporter: coming up: who would crack first? >> we get the -- the phone call saying, "hey"-- >> "let's make a deal."
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dollop of luck had revealed that josh and sirius were more than gym buds spotting each other reps, they were armed robbers together. detectives surmised that brandy, their victim, must have known about sirius, and her husband's part in the holdups. for state's attorney mike haddox the homicide case had achieved critical mass. >> so what was the final green light for your investigators? when did they have it? >> when we found that these two guys were criminal conspirators, violent criminals in several robberies, there was our motive, and once i felt that we had the motive for sirius underwood to be involved in this murder, we were a go. >> which is, josh's wife might be a risk for him. >> that's correct. >> she might snitch him out. >> she might snitch him out. >> reporter: haddox convened a grand jury. assistant state's attorneys ron welch and john litel would present the case. there would be a lot of convoluted storytelling and evidence for the jurors to follow.
>> you've got robberies going on, the homicide, the cell phone data, how you link all these people up. you're going to have multiple snitches who are all going to be testifying, who all have their own issues. >> reporter: the grand jury sat for three months and heard more than 100 witnesses. in march 2016, it returned indictments against josh daniels and sirius underwood. at the request of authorities in ohio, the alaska state troopers located josh at his mother's home in wasilla. once ohio gave the green light to the troopers to move on their suspect, they did. the cuffs went on without incident. a bulked up josh was put in the backseat of a cruiser and driven downtown. detective michel confronted him -- >> you been charged with several counts, including the robberies that occurred at gabriel brothers, tumbleweed, the one that you were going to do at campbell's, and the murder of your soon-to-be ex-wife, brandy. >> reporter: josh was shown a graphic crime scene photo of poor brandy. >> this is what you are responsible for.
this is what happened to your ex -- i'm willing to talk to you to get your side of the story if you're willing to talk to me. >> i think you're a good investigator but i'm going to have an attorney. >> okay. >> we're gonna do that. >> that's fine, josh. >> reporter: meanwhile, back in zanesville, police surrounded sirius underwood's car and arrested him. his interrogation didn't last long. >> you know why you're here? >> tell me. >> okay, we've had a grand jury, and you've been indicted. >> for what? >> aggravated murder, aggravated robberies, attempted robberies, weapon under disability, tampering with evidence, josh daniels was also arrested, and if josh is up there talking, i think it's the proper thing to tell you that you have the opportunity to tell me too. would you like to talk to me about this? >> no, i want a lawyer. >> you want a lawyer? >> yeah. >> okay. >> reporter: josh waved extradition, and was brought back to ohio. brandy's mother got word at the end of her shift. >> i get a phone call, you need to get down here now.
. >> there you are in a courtroom. what's going on? >> josh is there doing his plea, and then they go over details that we weren't aware of. >> so it's got to bring all the pain right back again? >> yeah. >> how did he look to you in that courtroom? >> not a care in the world. >> reporter: wendy was in the courtroom as well. >> this is big news. sirius is charged. he's in jail. do you believe that he killed brandy daniels, that he shot her to death on that road? >> no, no, i don't. >> sirius had just so much going for him and he had worked so hard and i would just say why? what did he have to gain from doing something like that? >> reporter: over the next few months welch and litle prepared their cases. josh would be tried first, then sirius. they laid out their case on index cards. motive was looking more complicated than ever. in opening arguments, they would have to explain to jurors just who these defendants are, sirius
the over-achieving charmer and bad husband, josh who'd been abusing anabolic steroids for years. >> josh was roided out. he was out of his mind using steroids, sirius is a sociopath. whereas for josh it was a status of being enraged, and jealous, i think he still loved her, and she was just done with him. >> reporter: josh sat behind bars for seven months. deprived of elephant doses of steroids, his chemically enhanced muscles deflated like spent balloons. they'd found their weak link. >> we get the phone call from josh's defense attorney saying, hey dennis murphy. let's make a deal. >> let's -- let's talk." >> the issue that we had is, you know, who do you make the deal with, the guy that had his wife killed, or the guy that shot her point blank range in the face? >> reporter: the states attorney agreed to a plea deal, but josh daniels would have to tell all. >> i want to start off with the murder. . >> making a deal with the devil.
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welcome back. more than two years after brandy dan yells was shot dead in her car. her estranged husband josh waiting trial for murder took a plea deal in exchange for a detailed confession. what about the person police believe was the actual shooter, josh's friend, sirius underwood? prosecutors were concerned, would josh's confession actually help them convict sirius? here's dennis murphy with the
conclusion of our story. >> reporter: as part of pleading guilty to murdering his wife brandy, josh daniels had to admit what he'd done -- provide what lawyers call a proffer. he was brought to a conference room at the prosecutor's office. >> when was the first time that this idea came about? >> i've known sirius underwood for a while, we were havin' a conversation one day at -- at his apartment. and i was tellin' him about, how hard this was on me -- me and brandy splittin' up. how pissed off i was that -- that she was seein' that guy, craig. and -- he made the comment, "well, [ bleep ] that [ bleep ]. let's just off her." and, you know -- at the time, bein' emotional and mad, you know, i -- i made the decision that maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea. >> reporter: josh helped him stalk his wife. >> sirius asked me where she lived. and i told him.
and -- he asked me about her work schedule. and i told him. >> reporter: and, it wasn't just brandy josh wanted dead. >> i told him w -- see if he could go over to her boyfriend's house, craig's. see if he can find where he lives. and break into his house and kill both of 'em. >> did he? >> huh? >> did he find out where he lived? >> yeah. >> did he try to break into the house? >> no. not that i know of. >> reporter: they schemed together on the eve of the murder. >> he asked me a day before, "are you sure that you want this done?" and i'd been drinkin'. and, you know, i had alcohol problems and steroid problems and i was just mad. i said, "yeah." >> how did it go down? >> i told him when she was getting off work. i would text sirius and -- and just say the word "close." he just said that, "i've -- i've got this. i see her car." i don't know actually what took place on the night, i know she
was shot. so i don't know if he parked his vehicle somewhere and came runnin' outta the bushes. i never talked to sirius after the murder actually happened. >> he certainly confirmed with you that it happened. >> he said, "done." >> reporter: they asked just could josh live with himself after killing the mother of his child? >> i thought that, you know, it would just go away. and that this day would never come. that me gettin' arrested would never happen. after brandy's death, became an alcoholic. drinkin' every day. taking hero -- using heroin, downers. just anything to numb that pain. >> reporter: the killer husband sounded almost contrite. >> if i could go back and i could change it, i -- i would. brandy didn't deserve what happened to her. she was a good girl. and ultimately, years down the road, havin' brandy gone, seein'
how that affects my -- that's gonna affect my daughter's life. she's not gonna have her mom. and knowin' that i played a part in that, i can't -- i can't live with that. >> reporter: with josh about to throw himself at the mercy of the court, prosecutors still had the accused triggerman to deal with. but sirius was hanging tough, not saying a word. so with only one of the two accused going to trial, the state's star witness would be josh daniels. as prosecutors prepared him to testify, they were still trying to wrap their arms around sirius' motive for the murder. >> reporter: what's he telling you? >> when i pushed josh on why, why would he do this? and he says, "that's what dudes do for dudes." that's what sirius told him. he's like, "you'd do that for me?" and he just said, "that's what dudes do for dudes." >> reporter: kill your wife? >> right. >> reporter: crunch time for the prosecutors. sirius' trial was looming. and, they were far from confident. >> reporter: what was the weakness in the case?
you're still gonna have josh come in as your witness. >> josh -- the jury wouldn't like him. you're asking the jury to rely upon somebody that's admitted to having their wife executed. that's a tough pill to swallow. >> reporter: so within that there might be wiggle room for sirius? >> right. >> reporter: just days before sirius' trial was scheduled to begin. >> i was writing my opening. i got a text message from the defense attorney saying, "you guys do an alford plea?" >> reporter: sirius' lawyer was proposing a plea deal. an alford plea -- the screwball pitch of american jurisprudence. >> alford plea, to civilians, to layman, has a very sketchy kind of feel to it. do you wanna take a crack at trying to explain what an alford plea is? >> sure. it basically is when somebody says, "i'm willing to say that you have lots of information, and -- i'm gonna plead guilty, but i'm not gonna say i actually did anything wrong." >> reporter: and i say, "huh?" >> right. >> reporter: and then i turn to ron and say, "how does this go again?" >> so, he's gonna take responsibility without saying he
did it. >> reporter: the state's attorney signed off, and the trial judge accepted sirius underwood's alford plea. sirius was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole after 38 years. a sentence he's appealing. josh daniels got life with the possibility of parole after 28 years. not enough time for some of brandy's loved ones. >> reporter: so where do we stand now? they've-- they've both been dealt with? >> yeah, i guess. >> reporter: your opinion, do you think they both got off easy? >> yes, they did. they're still breathin', she's not. >> reporter: josh and sirius are serving their sentences in separate maximum security . >> grande's parents are raising her daughter. the family is left with a snapshot album itself getting older but the young woman pictured in the pages inside staying the same, never to have her own album of her daughter graduating, getting married. time ran out for brandy on a dark hilltop before she could kiss her daughter goodnight. >> reporter: that's all for this
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