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that is it for me today on this friday, the 13th. ali velshi picks it up right now. hi, ali. >> may you have continued good luck this day. thank you. have yourself a good afternoon. it is, as katy says, friday december the 13th. and today i'm talking to you live from pittsburgh where i am moderating public education forum 2020 tomorrow with my colleague nbc news education correspondent. as the 2020 presidential hopefuls pitch their priorities by next week, the current president is likely to become the third president in american history to be impeached. house judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler says the house will act expeditiously after two days of divisive debate. this morning, nadler's committee approved two articles of impeachment against president trump in a party-line vote.
the hyperpartisan dynamic fracturing american politics continued on full display as soon as the articles were approved. >> the house judiciary committee has voted articles of impeachment against the president. for abuse of power and obstruction of congress. >> i have never, in my entire life, seen such an unfair, rigged, railroad job against the president of the united states. >> we're doing the duty that the constitution asked us to do. >> this is an outrage. this was a kangaroo court. outrageous to put the country through this. >> the white house has set its sights on the senate now where republicans remain staunchly in defense of the president. but even as the white house looks forward to a trial in the senate, which is what happens next, "the new york times" reports that trump, quote, nurses resentment over the red mark about to be tattooed on his page in the history books as
only the third president in american history to be impeached. quote, no matter what some of his critics say, advisors said he genuinely does not want to be impeached. viewing it as a personal humiliation. joining me now from capitol hill, msnbc's garrett haake. garrett, let's talk about this. the next step in this process is recommendation to the full -- it's a recommendation that goes to the full house for a vote. the republicans are working to try and sway, i think the number is 30 or 31 so-called front-line democrats. democrats who are in districts in which they have not won handly or they've turned the district over to try and get them not to support this impeachment resolution. >> that's right. many of these democrats represent districts that the president carried in 2016. so they'll be top targets again of republicans in 2020. look. when the only vote that we have taken as the full house happened, that was the vote to
open this impeachment inquiry. there were a number of democrats who apreaproached it more cautiously than others. they wanted to see what information turned up. some of those democrats will be the target of republicans who would like to peel away more than the two votes they got from democrats in opposition to the impeachment inquiry in the first place. republicans would like to show that support for this inquiry has dropped, not grown, over the course of the investigation. those democrats that we've heard from so far, who represent those frontline districts, folks like connor lamb in pennsylvania, colin allred in texas have all come out and said they will, in fact, vote in favor of impeachment. but that is to the degree there is still political battling to be done in the house where it's coming from. those frontline democrats. it seems almost an impocket of a impossibility of any of these republicans crossing over. but we've seen crazier things than that come out of nowhere.
and there are still a few days before this vote. >> so there are a few days before this vote. might happen sometime next week. generally speaking, it's expected to happen before the house is scheduled to go on christmas break on december 20th. and then whatever the next thing that happens, the trial in the senate. that'll happen after that. is there any chance of any republican senators, they'd need quite a few, to vote in favor of removal for the president to be removed from office. is there any likelihood of any republican senators voting in favor of removal of the president? >> yeah. for folks calendars at home, we're looking at that house vote probably on wednesday. democrats don't want it to be the last thing they do before they leave for the christmas break. so they'll likely leave some other business for thursday and then go home, assuming everything goes according to plan. as for the senate, democrats would need to peel off 20 republicans to vote in favor of removing this president. that seems, as i stand here today, extraordinarily unlikely. but see my earlier caveat that things have moved pretty quickly in this investigation before. so it's not impossible. the x factor here is how big of
a trial do they ultimately decide to have in the senate? the senate is constitutionally-obligated to take this issue up. but how long they decide to deal with it is more or less up to them. there are plenty of folks, in both parties but particularly republicans, who have been advocating for a short trial. they say they believe it's a foregone conclusion that the president will be acquitted in the senate. so let's get this over with quickly. let the house impeachment managers present their case. let the president present a defense. vote in a week or in ten days. but there are other, more vocal voices at least thus far, including the president, saying let's have a bigger trial. let's call witnesses. the president thinks he could be even broader cleared if we get to hear from hunter biden or a whistle-blower. democrats say, okay, you want to go down that road? then we want to hear from mick mulvaney or mike pompeo or rudy giuliani. so there is this possibility that you could see a much bigger trial that gets much, much harder to predict. but right now at least, the direction everybody seems to be
leaning is towards that shorter trial. but, ali, you know, i can't emphasize enough the degree of uncharted territory we're in both with the historical rarity of impeachment in general and with the unpredictability of this president more specifically. >> garrett, thank you. your analysis is appreciated despite the fact that you know these things will continue to unfold. we never hold it against you if things change because that's the world in which we live. garrett haake for us on capitol hill. as administration focuses its attention on the senate trial, nbc news has learned that white house counsel pat cipollone has -- cipollone -- has been tapped to argue on behalf of the president during the impeachment trial. that's according to a senior administration official. earlier today, the president had a warning and republicans won't forget this. >> i spoke to my people. it's a witch hunt. it's a sham. it's a hoax. nothing was done wrong. zero was done wrong. i think it's a horrible thing to be using the tool of impeachment, which is supposed
to be used in an emergency. you're trivializing impeachment. and i tell you what. someday, there'll be a democrat president and there'll be a republican house. and i suspect they're going to remember it. >> take note of something. going to have this conversation a little later not with hans. but the fact that president says impeachment is something supposed to be used in an emergency. that's not correct. hans, earlier today, i tweeted out -- at the time i tweeted it out -- had tweeted or retweeted over 120 times in the last 24 hours. somebody tweeted back and said there that's not a story. if you or i retweeted in 120 times a day, it'd be unusual. i'd be wondering what you are doing for your day job. but when the president of the united states does, it is actually impeercally a little weird. but it might be speaking to the mood in the white house or around the president about where this impeachment is going. >> i almost feel like a scientist on this where you're measuring the pace of change, right? i mean, velocity matters. but here we have acceleration. and it's not like the
president's a light tweeter. this was notable for both the speed and the volume of the tweets that he had. here is the latest news just from kelly anne conway who's talked to some reporters on the briefing room on this debate on whether or not the white house wants a short or long trial, she claims everyone's agnostic. but, ali, kelly anne conway's just done something interesting because she says the senate has to do complete exoneration of president trump, not just not convict him. so it's unclear to me what complete exoneration is. she said on this idea of a short or long trial, the most important thing is it's a fair trial. she seemed to be leaning towards a shorter trial, not a longer one. but the idea that the senate would give complete and total exoneration gives you an indication of the legal challenges that they are going to have to have. now, pat cipollone is likely going to be part of that team. another name for you. alan der show wits. so i don't think that legal team
has fully gelled. and when it does, i think it will preview how long and robust the actual strategy will be. ali. >> hans, let me ask you why was rudy giuliani at the white house? >> no one can tell you. all they can tell you -- and i have a pause there and i hope it wasn't too pregnant -- but no one can tell you because they say he is the president's personal attorney. and that is a personal relationship that the president manages. they are in frequent conversation. and so, you know, he wasn't in the oval office. we don't think he was in the oval office in the morning. he wasn't in the residence at least until 10:08 according to kelly anne conway who we just grilled on this. i would note he was accompanied by his son. today is the day white house staff members can bring parents or siblings or friends or significant others to the white house for a reception. so he walked in with his son, who does work her, i should mention. he works in, i believe, outreach. but no one has given us a definitive answer with the president's personal attorney,
who went to ukraine to dig up dirt on the bidens was doing at the white house. ali. >> hans nichols talking about velocity and acceleration giving our science lesson of the day. i i want to bring in michael conway. served as counsel during the impeachment of president nixon. i want to bring this up because you have worked in an impeachment. >> right. >> and there's been an impeachment since then and this is going to be the third one. what president trump said about impeachment being reserved for use in an emergency has more -- less relationship to the truth or more relationship to the truth than i do with hair. >> right. well, of course, this is an emergency because he's trying to affect our 2020 election. but, no, impeachment was put in to reign in an executive who abused his power, who used immense power of the executive branch for personal gain. and that's what the president's done here. so i think adam schiff said it was an emergency because it's going to affect the next election. but that's not what it's for. it's to reign in an executive
who's really gone out of bounds and that's what president trump has done. >> let me play what mitch mcconnell said last night on hannity. i want to get your analysis on this. >> okay. >> everything i do during this, i'm coordinating with white house counsel. there will be no difference between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. there's no chance the president's going to be removed from office. my hope is that there won't be a single republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment. >> now, michael, on one hand, no surprise there that that's what mitch mcconnell thinks. but this is actually supposed to be a trial in the senate. mitch mcconnell can find, as -- as the members of the so-called jury, the members of the senate, as a majority may find or supermajority may find it's not worthy of removing the president. but mitch mcconnell saying that he is working in lockstep with the white house seems not to be in the spirit of what the impeachment process is supposed to be about.
>> the word is it's outrageous. he's going to take an oath that he's going to be an impartial fact finder. how in the world can he do that? if this was a regular jury, it'd be excused for bias. and i think mitch mcconnell's going to have a powerful role here that we have to keep our eye on. you just talked with garrett about whether it should be a short trial or a long trial. the republicans want to bury impeachment. they want to have a trial that has no witnesses. it's just paper because they can do a couple things. one, the public will -- the ratings will be terrible because nobody will watch it. two, it'll reinforce their notion that the evidence was thin. and most importantly, it'll prevent the possibility of other evidence coming out. the democrats should insist on a full trial with live witnesses. using the subpoena power that's been set in the senate impeachment rules since 1986 to bring in witnesses john bolton, mike pompeo, and others. and let's put 'em under oath. let's see what they say. and maybe we'll learn something new in the trial itself. and maybe it'll affect the
senators. i mean, lindsey graham has famously said he didn't even want to read the transcripts of the witnesses who testified to the intelligence committee. let's have him hear the evidence firsthand. >> what an interesting sign of our times, right? people get dug in and that's how it is. we'll watch -- we'll watch. we'll listen to, we'll read the arguments and support the position we already have and that's the end of it. michael conway was counsel to the house judiciary commit wree during the impeachment inquiry of president nixon. coming up next, president trump announcing a halt in the trade war just days before new tariffs were set to go into effect against china. we want to talk about this so-called phase one of an agreement with china and the impact it could have on the economy. plus, what this means for some of the people hardest hit by the trade war so far. soy bean farmers. the president of the wisconsin soy bean association joins me next. you are watching msnbc.
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committee voted on articles impeachment against president trump, he finalized what he said is the first phase of a plan to halt the trade war between the united states and china. wall street saw big gains yesterday on news of a potential deal. the reaction today's announcement has been a little more muted. take a look at the big board. i mean, it's literally been kind of flattish all day. there was a bit of a jump on the announcement. then when we found out what was in it or at least what we could find out, market didn't have much of a reaction. let's take a look at the other
major indices. this is one of the things where speculation has moved markets a lot. the actual news is moving markets very little. here's what the president had to say about the plan earlier today. >> that's going to be one of the great deals ever. and it's going to ultimately lead to the opening of china, which is something that is incredible because that's a whole big untapped market of 1.5 billion people. >> president also said the united states would not impose a 15% tariff on more than $150 billion in chinese goods, including toys, clothes, and electronics, that was set to go into effect on sunday. now, this announcement comes after nearly 18 months of posturing and escalation by the world's two largest economies. that has royalbroiled markets. here's' what little we know about the plan. 25% tariff on $250 billion in chinese goods will remain in place. but this 15% tariff on another
$120 billion in chinese goods is going to be cut in half. u.s. officials say china has agreed to significantly increase the amount offi agriculture products and other manufactured goods it buys from the united states. but no amount has been disclosed. american and chinese officials also say this plan deals with other contentious issues, including intellectual property, which by the way was the big issue that started this whole thing. forced technology transfers. access to chinese markets. and currency exchange rates. joining you now to take a closer look at this, john harwood. john, your evaluation. we don't have a lot of information right now. it's not fair to call this a -- a deal just yet. the markets are reacting in a muted fashion because it's not a deal. it's a scessation of some hostilities. tell me what you make of this. >> well, ali, it's because the posturing is, by no means, over. the market's trying to figure out how many phases phase one is
going to have. remember, we first got a phase one announcement, i believe, in october. the president said we've got this fantastic deal. it's great. they're going to buy these products. and -- and we're going oh get the paper in just a couple of weeks. he said it had to be paper. now, we've got a deal where the president, larry kudlow just said on cnbc a few minutes ago, we'll get the text in a couple of weeks. it is not clear that there is actual deal language that's been agreed to. what we do know, and what is reassuring to the markets to some degree, is that the president has announced the december 15th tariffs are not going to take effect. that matters to calm the -- calm the situation. and the same with the rollback of the tariffs. all we know now is the president has made those two concessions. not levying the tariffs for december 15th, which would hit a lot of consumer goods. having the tariffs on $120 billion, as you mentioned, that have been in effect at 15%.
now, it's 7.5. and the chinese' response is tbd. how much are they going to buy of manner samerican soy beans, example? we don't know the answer to that. >> do you think there is a light at the end of the trade war tunnel? is that the best we can characterize this as? >> i think the best we can say is that tensions are not going to increase in the near term. we have no idea what happens after that. the president. we all remember his bargaining with north korea over denuclearizing the peninsula. he always seems to be on the brink of something big and it doesn't happen. same is true with china. but since china is the -- i mean, since president trump is the mover here, he's the one that's created the uncertainty with these tariffs. the fact that you get that tide coming out a little bit on that front is something that's a positive for markets and a positive for the u.s. economy. >> john, i don't know if you're in the midst of writing a book
but we just found a name for it what you just said. we have no idea what happens next. my days covering the trump administration. john, good to see you as always. john harwood, editor at large for cnbc. president trump says the increase in chinese purchases of u.s. agricultural products will be a boom to farmers who have been hit hard by the trade war. >> i think they'll hit $50 billion in agriculture. no, much more than 50 because it's also manufacturing and other. but i think in agriculture, they will hit $50 billion. >> next year? >> pretty soon. they've already stepped it up. >> that number's a little suspect. $50 billion. that would be what we might do if there were no impediments in trade whatsoever. so, again, the president has tweeted and talked a lot in the last 24 hours. and it would employ a small of fact checkers. but the president says the chinese have agreed to buy more
american agriculture. and this is a very, very important matter. joining me now to talk about this aspect of the plan is tony mellenthin. he is a soy bean farmer who is president of the wisconsin soy bean association. tony, it is fair to say there are lots of things about a trade deal that go into place, can be removed. and things can come back to normal. but what has happened to the soy bean farmers in the last year and a half, it will take a very long time to bring that pack ba normal if we ever get back to normal. >> yes, you are absolutely correct. last 18 to 20 months have been very difficult for american soy bean farmers. and not only that, but we sent the message to our south american competitors that they can replace our production. so they've cleared the rainforest and they've brought millions of acres into production. so we will compete against that forever now. >> i think that's a really important point. when people were watching these fires in the amazon, there was a piece of this that is alleged by
critics who said this is the clearing of land because china redirected a lot of the purchase of the american soy beans to brazil. they even helped them build the infrastructure to be able to sell them more and more soy beans. and one assumes that they will always buy some soy beans now or more soy beans than they did from brazil. so tell me what happens. if this -- do you take this announcement as good news? and what happens now to rebuild and make the american soy bean industry great again? >> so i do take this as good news. i think it's progress that our two countries are -- are working towards normalizing trade. what the american soy bean farmer and american soy bean industry is doing right now is we are diversifying our customer base. you know, one-third of all soy beans in the united states were sent to china before the trade war. and although we hope we regain as much of that market share that we can, we also know that to be responsible, we need to open other markets.
whether it's emerging markets or regain access to some mature markets. so we're never put in a position like this again where one customer has so much control over our price. >> tony, always good to talk to you. thank you for joining me. tony mellenthin is the president of the wisconsin soy bean association. coming up next, trump's republican challenger presidential candidate bill weld is calling today's vote on articles of impeachment a somber moment. he joins me next to break down his reaction to the impeachment inquiry and his proposals for the american education system. you are watching msnbc. you are watching msnbc hout hope, struggles in the spider's web. with every attempt to free itself, it only becomes more entangled. unaware that an exhilarating escape is just within reach. defy the laws of human nature.
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the president accused the entire democratic party of trivializing impeachment and using it as a horrible political tool. he claims that recent polling shows him leading in key battleground states. an apparent reference to the latest survey by a republican public affairs firm. those numbers do not match up with other recent national polls. more on this, i'm joined by political white house reporter nancy cook. i am very tempted to talk to nancy about the trade deal. but i just had two conversations about it. but let's talk about this because we know that sometime next week, barring something
unusual, and unusual things happen, the house will vote in favor of impeachment. and president trump will likely become the third president impeached. it'll then go to the trial. and we know from mitch mcconnell, who's going to run that process largely, that it is likely not to result in the removal of the president. so what happens next? the country is split on the -- on the idea of impeachment. but it will, at some point in the next month or so, be behind us. what does donald trump do about it? he doesn't like the scarlet letter but he will own it. >> he will own it. and i do think that that's -- that will be a really interesting moment for him because right now, the white house feels very confident about their -- their state right now. the president is in an upbeat mood i've been told by several of his advisors and white house aides. and i think that they really feel like they're ready for a senate battle and that it will be shorter than they previously thought. there won't be witnesses called and it will be over relatively quickly. but i do think that you raise a great point and it's an open question of what happens after
that? does the president try to unify the country in some way? does he give a rose garden ceremony to sort of tout his victory? i think it's an open question of how he acts. and one example that we have to look to is after the mueller investigation wrapped up. you know, the president felt very emboldened after that. and that's what led -- >> he called the ukrainian president. >> exactly. the july 25th phone call. and so i think what one thing i'll be watching is do we see a contrite president trump? or do we see a very emboldened president trump after that senate trial? especially, since they feel like they already know the verdict. >> however, at that point, and maybe democrats will like this, that will dovetail with the intensity of the beginning of the 2020 campaign, right? we've been following it for a long time. but for most americans, they're going to start to tune into this thing come january. so -- so there's going to be new space for a debate about the performance of the president that isn't impeachment. >> absolutely.
and i think that while the white house does feel confident about impeachment, there are some problems for president trump on the horizon in the election. mainly, that there are a lot of suburban voters who turned away from president trump during the 2018 midterms. and we have yet to see that support swing back to the republican party. and then really, the trump campaign is very focused on just a handful of battleground states. pennsylvania. ohio. wisconsin among them. and they really are looking to win those states. trump won those by a tiny, tiny margin in 2016. and they're looking to replicate that success. and basically, the game plan is even if he doesn't have the support of the whole country, if everyone's not behind him and his approval rating is lower than his predecessors in the white house, they're hoping that he can eke out a victory in those key battleground states and i think that's where the focus will turn to. >> nancy, in your latest article for "politico," you report some of president trump's allies said on tuesday that they believe the narrative that they've -- that
they've been pursuing around impeachment. what does that mean? >> well, i think for a long time, they had been talking about how they were optimistic. even while, you know, they were a little bit worried. president trump was worried about his legacy. he was fuming about things. but i do think they've seen some recent polling that made them feel good, including that republican poll that you talked about. and that also, they have felt very bolstered by the fact that republican lawmakers have been totally unified by president trump. including people that they didn't necessarily think would be behind them. like representative turner of ohio. and then, you know, they're expecting a lot of support in the senate. and i think that they were unsure that they would have that support early on. and president trump has felt really good about it. >> nancy, good to see you as always. nancy cook is the white house reporter for "politico." now, the impeachment battles facing president trump as we have discussed have intensified. now, that the democratic-led house of representatives is expected to approve the two articles of impeachment next week. barring some unforeseen
development. while many republicans have slammed the impeachment battles as an excuse to take down the president, not all republicans agree with that. one of the president's primary challengers, former massachusetts governor, bill weld, who supports impeaching and removing the president, took to twitter to speak out. he wrote in part, quote, it's time to shelf the politics, look to the constitution, and decide whether donald trump's conduct is an acceptable standard for presidents and generations to come. joining me now, massachusetts -- former massachusetts governor and 2020 republican candidate for president, bill weld. governor, good to see you again. thank you for being with us. >> ali, thank you. >> you and i always talk about this. there are clearly republicans who share your view. we interview others of them on our channel. republicans who think that donald trump has taken the party down a bad road. and that republicans will be judged for not doing the right thing with president trump. but the party infrastructure does not support that view. and they're not even supporting your ability to put that forward
as a choice to potential republican voters. state after state, they're deciding there aren't even going to be primaries. >> well, that's right, ali. and i think that it will not be unanimous in favor of the president in the senate because people understand that we're writing on the pages of history here. and if congress and if the senate decide to give the president a free pass for everything he's done detailed in the articles of impeachment. inviting foreign interference in our election and corrupting his office. then any future president can do the same. and i'll bet you a nickel that donald j. trump will be doing the same with every other country over which he has leverage, which is every country in the world, between now and the 2020 election. we might as well cancel the election, which of course exactly what he wants. >> well, it's interesting because nancy cook was just talking about the fact that in the wake of the mueller report when, you know, most people after being investigated for that amount of time would probably lay low a little bit.
that's when he got emboldened and started talking to ukraine. donald trump doesn't shy away. he doesn't decide he's going to do something else. he's not going to hold a unity rally. he's not going to be about that. we're not going to get fooled again, right? we've seen this for three years. so what happens to the republican party? what happens to republicans? who would like smaller government, lower taxes. but don't stand for all the things that republicans stand for. if they can't vote for you or someone else who's running, what choices are they left with? >> well, i saw a lot of republicans lose in the wake of the nixon impeachment in 1974. all the people who had been defending him. and i have to think that however so much president trump may whistle a happy tune, and that's exactly what he will do if he's not removed from office, however so much that may be, that there are more good people in the united states than there are bad people in the united states. of that, i am certain. and donald trump is a bad person. and if you read the entire
account of the proceedings of the impeachment that happened in the house, and will be spread upon the records of the senate, it's going to be hard to come to any other conclusion. so i have faith in the american people not to re-elect donald trump in november of 2020. i think it's instructive that steve bannon, his first -- his chief strategist -- has said, watch out. if donald trump is re-elected, you're going to see four years of unrequited playback. well, that's just outrageous. it's the president threatening the people he is supposed to serve. >> so tell me about the republican party. bill weld, you have been a governor. you have run for president. you -- you -- you don't need something else in your career. and the republican party has made it very clear to you they are not going to -- to pave a way for you to even have a fair shot of challenging donald trump for the primary. for the nomination. so what does the republican party do? why are you in this race? why are you still here? and what does success look like for you as of today? >> well, the republican party
that i love has balanced budgets and doesn't run trillion-dollar deficits. it embraces free trade. it embraces its responsibilities on the world stage. it says we need full diplomatic engagement at the same time as we need a strong defense. and those things about national security and foreign policy, which donald trump does not. senior national security officials have told me the most terrifying thing they've ever done is to brief donald trump on national security matters because he tunes out. a light goes out in his eyes after two minutes. and he begins fussing with the pages of a glossy magazine. we just -- we can't afford to have four more years of that in the oval office in the white house. >> so assuming that somebody like you or somebody other than you doesn't get the republican nomination, and a democrat wins in 2020, are you thinking that you could have a viable republican party with a real candidate in 2024? >> well, i certainly hope so.
i hope mr. trump has the good taste not to hang around after losing the election. i wouldn't put anything past him, though. he's already invoked a specter, literally, of a civil war because he wants to rule by fear. and scare the american people. he doesn't have -- seem to have any of the right instincts that you need to have in a president of the united states. he clearly doesn't care about the american people because he wants to divide them and stir resentments. so they'll be more malleable when he makes his ultimate power play. it's just it's very scary history. >> bill weld, good to see you as always. bill weld is a 2020 republican presidential candidate and the former governor of massachusetts. let's have a live look now at protests in london after the conservative party's biggest election win since 1987. since margaret thatcher. up next, what it means for brexit and the country's relationship with the united states. you're watching msnbc. pharmacid
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now, to the united kingdom where it appears the politically -- political uncertainty that has gripped that country for more than a year, for a couple of years, has ended. but the chaos seems far from over. it's actually been more than three years. dozens of people are lined up in the streets of london right now to protest british prime minister boris johnson's big victory in yesterday's election. johnson's conservative party now has a big or will have a big majority in parliament. which gives him a mandate to fulfill his promise to take the united kingdom out of the
european union at the end of january. president trump reacted to johnson's victory during his meeting with paraguay's president. >> i want to congratulate boris johnson on a terrific victory. i think that might be a harbinger of what's to come in our country. it was last time. it's going to be a great thing for the united states, also, because it means a lot of trade. tremendous amount of trade. they want to do business with us so badly. >> again, i -- i -- i mean, i'm kind of getting tired of the of the amount of fact checking i got to do with one guy. we don't have a tremendous amount of trade with the united kingdom. that's actually not what the issue here was. it's about brexit. it's a united kingdom problem. bill neely joins us now from london. here's the thing that's kind of interesting. if you look at polling about brexit, people are dug in. the united kingdom is split. it is really divided. it would not have suggested to people who don't understand the electoral system in the united kingdom, that somebody like
boris johnson would come out with a landslide victory. >> you're absolutely right. i mean, it was a surprise. but remember a few things. number one, boris johnson is a vote winner. i mean, that's why his party elected him leader. some of them didn't like him very much. but they know he wins elections. he was elected mayor of this left-leaning city, london, twice. secondly, he's a gambler and he gambled everything on red in this election. in other words, his strategy was to attack those red areas. the labor, working-class areas in the north of england, the midlands, and wales. and that gamble paid off. thirdly, he was lucky. the main opposition parties were dreadfully led. two of them badly led. one by jeremy corbyn, a 70-year-old socialist leader who wouldn't resign today. wouldn't even have the humility to admit that he made mistakes. the other party, the liberal
democrats, led by someone who lost her seat and duelally resigned today. so credit to johnson but astonishing victory. i mean, he won in places the conservatives have never won, for example, sedgefield, an ex-mining area. remember, margaret thatcher's conservative government absolutely decimated. won in places like that so it really was a pretty amazing victory for johnson. >> let me ask you about brexit. what does this actually mean? that the problems of the last three years have been minority governments, plan. plans that have failed. conservatives who can't get support of their own parliamentarians in a deal to get out of the eu. now, boris johnson goes in with that mandate. does that mean that at the end of january, the united kingdom leaves the european union? >> it does. so whether you're for brexit or against it, at least after three
and a half years, there is clarity. on january the 31st, in 50 days time, britain will leave the european union. but then comes more uncertainty because what happens next is a year, two years, years of negotiation with the european union about a trade deal and with the united states about a trade deal. now, donald trump, as you played there, is tremendously optimistic that there will be a trade deal. people here are less optimistic that it will be to britain's advantage. because if donald trump stands for anything, it is america first. so that is going to be a tricky negotiation. so, you know, get brexit done was such a catchy slogan by boris johnson. but the hard part starts now. >> bill, i want to just change gears for you for just a minute because i have not had a chance to talk to you. but i've wanted to get your take on what is going on in israel. nobody was able to form a government after a second election. and now, they are going to the polls for a third time in march. this is unprecedented.
israel has no foreseeable solution to this. >> unprecedented and, ali, there is absolutely no guarantee that on march the 2nd, the israelis will vote exactly the way they have done in the last two elections. both parties, and benjamin netanyahu's party got around i think it was between 30 and 32 votes each in the last two elections. and yet, neither were able to form governments after each election. the only thing that's changed for this election is that benjamin netanyahu has now been formally charged with bribery and fraud. let's see if that really does make a difference. let's see if the security situation deteriorates in any way and tests benjamin netanyahu. otherwise, ali, it could well be that a third election still doesn't break the deadlock. and i'm really not sure what happens after that.
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some of the top names in the democratic presidential field will appear in pittsburg tomorrow for the 2020 public education forum which will stream live on msnbc.com, on nbc news now and nbc news learn. my colleague rehema-and i will will. we'll have individual interviews with all of these candidates. but before we can press the candidates on the problems facing america's schools, we want to know what the specific resources that teachers need to succeed in our education system are. here to tell us about that is
randi weingarten. she is the president of the american federation of teachers which represents more than 1.7 million educators nationwide. the american federation of teachers is partnering with several other education organizations to host this forum. you and i have had a lot of chats over the last couple of years with teachers, many cases teachers who have been striking because of pay. i just want to show our viewers the average salary of a teacher according to the national education association is $60,477. but the average -- sorry, what i've got there is wrong. the average starting salary is 39,249. but the average salary is $60,000. tell me about the problem as it relates to teacher pay. >> so let me just say this, ali. thank you for doing this forum, and we are very excited that education finally is a frontburner issue, which it should've been a frontburner issue for generations.
but we are seeing that the candidates, or at least the democratic candidates are very focused on it. and what we need to do is have the schools in america regardless of geography or demography. welcoming in safe environments is that at the end of the day pay for teachers in america is about 20 to 30% less than what teachers could earn for similar skills in the private sector or even in the public sector. and what we are seeing, like i just saw this statistic, last year we had 340,000 fewer people go to teacher colleges like teacher college of columbia or any of the other, the hbcus that teach teachers. and so what you are seeing is two things. one is that the pay is not enough for a middle-class income, which is what, you know, what teachers need and want.
no one goes into teaching to be rich. but the other thing that's going on is that we've really become the first responders to everything that's happening in society. and so what we are focused on as much is the resources that kids need to actually be successful unless skoo school. >> and the reason i chose to start with teacher pay, randi, is if you look at all of the other problems, if the political will were there and the funding matched it, many of the problems that schools deal with can be solved very, very quickly. but the issue you talk about, about teachers not getting enough pay results particularly in a low unemployment environment 3.5% unemployment. it results in people taking other jobs, not studying for being a teacher. and we are estimating and not staying in it, right. so we are in an estimated 300,000 new teachers per year and that's going to be hard. if we figure this out five years from now, we will have this
major backlog where we won't have enough people to teach our students. >> we have now gone through the jen, like my mom's generation where she became a teacher, taught for 29.5 years. that was the profession that was available to her. in this day and age, she could have been a ceo. so the women who went into teaching in the '70s, they basically retired in the '90s. we saw a huge shortage in the '90s. and now we are seeing another huge shortage. at the end of the day we want people, you know, who want to be teachers, who understand that they are making a difference in the lives of children. there is a lot of young people who want to do that right now. but they have a right to a middle-class income and, particularly our kids in areas where there is poverty or challenge, they have a right to have their schools be the ladder of opportunity. you see in this forum it's parent groups, it's the naacp.
it's community groups. it's not just the nea and the aft. it is all of us fighting for the schools our kids need. >> and i encourage people to tune in. there are going to be lots of ways you can see this tomorrow. randi, here's my other question for you. the federal government in america has limitations on what it can do. a lot of the problems that your teachers who have gone on strike and the parents are complaining about is managed by local and state jurisdictions. so what's the right answer from a presidential candidate? >> so, look. johnson actually created the war on poverty just like roosevelt focused on the social contract by creating social security. what the federal government can do is they can actually help the least have equity. so that is what title i is which is what the johnson war on poverty was. when that started we saw a huge increase in equity throughout the country. the same is true in terms of
special needs kids. i.d.e.a. if we actually got what was promised in terms of getting 40% of the funds that are needed to teach special needs kids, school systems around the country would have a lot more money. but at the end of the day the federal government is about equity and about rights and ensuring that those who have the least should actually have the ladder of opportunity. it's a really important role. and the last thing that's important about it is every single person running for president says they want to be the education president. that's what we want. >> randi, thank you for this. we will see you tomorrow. randi weingarten of the american federation of teachers. tomorrow i am moderating public education forum 2020 along with my colleague rehema ellis. it is going to have these candidates who you see on the screen. we are going to hear from them on their priorities of education. it will stream. you can watch it on nbc news now, msnbc.com, and nbc news learn. special coverage will be on msnbc throughout the day as
well. and that wraps up the hour for me. i am going to see you right back here. i'll see you tomorrow at the forum. but i will be back on monday at 1:00 p.m. eastern with stephanie and then again at 3:00 p.m. eastern. thank you for watching. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace begins now. ♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york on an historic day. donald trump, the country's 45th president, making the kind of history he did not want to make. the house judiciary committee today voting to approve two articles of impeachment for the president. those articles, abuse of power, and obstruction of congress, passing out of the committee on a party line vote. here's that moment from committee chairman jerry nadler. >> the question now is on article 1:00 of the resolution, impeaching president donald j. trump for abusing his powers. >> mr. chairman, there are 23 ayes and 17 nos. >> the article is agreed to. the question now is on