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we have hit the top of the hour which means i'm out of time. i'll see you tomorrow. up next, phillip mena. >> good to see you. >> you, too. a lot to talk about this hour. i'm phillip mena in for kendis gibson. no rest on capitol hill this weekend. house judiciary committee members preparing to release the impeachment report days before historic vote on the house floor. majority leader mcconnell is signaling a swift trial when impeachment goes to the senate. the top republican says his party's members are in lockstep with the white house on the trump defense strategy. and we're also following new reporting today on whether the president might be having second
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thoughts about his lead counsel. seven of the democratic candidates have stopped in pittsburgh to talk education reform. their vows for america's schools while union dispute puts the next presidential debate in jeopardy. it's been a historic week for the office of the presidency and the history-making events have not stopped. after yesterday's vote from the judiciary committee to approve two articles of impeachment and a marathon 14-hour hearing the day before, the committee's now working on the full report. it's expected to deliver to the senate before midnight tomorrow. pro impeachment demonstrations are expected in several cities on tuesday which is the night before the full house is expected to vote on the articles. if the house voted in favor of impeachment, it then will head to the senate for a trial which is expected to begin in january. nbc's josh leaderman joining us from d.c. with more. thank you for joining me. mitch mcconnell said there's no daylight with the white house coming the senate trial. here's what he told fox news on
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thursday. >> everything i do during this i'm coordinating with white house counsel. there is no difference between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this. >> is this really going to be a trial that's led by the defendant in essence? >> yeah. it is pretty ironic there given that on the house side the number one argument from house republicans from day one has been that the process was a sham, that this was a process that was biassed against the president, he wasn't getting a fair shake because adam schiff and house democrats orchestrated it in a way to work in the president's -- against the president's favor. so now you have on the senate side where you will have this trial mitch mcconnell, the majority leader, saying that he is working hand in hand with the white house. we know he's meeting with white house counsel and basically arranging for this trial to go forward in exactly the way that will be most beneficial to the
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president. we also hear mitch mcconnell weighing in on the likely outcome saying there's no chance that the president is actually going to be removed from office, that the case that democrats are sending over is so weak and remember, it won't be mitch mcconnell presiding over the trial per se. that goes to the chief justice of the supreme court but it is up to republicans who control the senate to figure out how the trial will work and every indication that we have so far including from mitch mcconnell out in the open is that they're doing everything they can to make sure that it's a process that removes this from the president's desk as quickly as possible. >> the judiciary committee, they must finish the full report by midnight tonight. what can we expect from that? any surprises? >> unlikely at this point because house democrats have already laid out their argument both in terms of the constitutional grounds that they see for impeachment, the specific articles they're planning to vote to impeach the
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president on and no new factual information came up in the house judiciary committee hearings so at this point as they work to finish all that paper work, it comes down to politics, phillip. >> any updates on the jockeying for the democratic impeachment manager going on? >> a lot of jockeying by house democrats who want that coveted role of being one of the house impeachment managers which will put them front and center on national television in a really critical role, potentially a career-building role. so we know from house democratic aides that many house lawmakers have been pushing nancy pelosi who has sole discretion here to choose those managers. making their case for why they should have one of those slots but really the critical factor for nancy pelosi here is that she says she wants to have diversity on that panel of impeachment managers, particularly regional diversity because a lot of key figures in
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this the most likely candidates, adam schiff, jerry nadler, rasken from maryland, these are people from very democratic states on the coasts, from new york, from california. and nancy pelosi's really adamant that she doesn't want republicans to have that talking point of being able to say that this is a coastal impeachment squad trying to go after the president. she wants to show that democrats from all over the country are united in this. >> all right. nbc's josh leaderman, thank you so much. >> thanks. for president trump the impeachment battle is becoming a defining moment in his presidency, whether he likes it or not. the president broke his record for the number of tweets in a single day, 123. mostly lashing out an retweeting the supporters and now he has to wait as the impeachment process plays out. hans nichols joining us now from the white house. hans, there's pat scipollone an
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that it is not a done deal. >> reporter: we have heard officials cautioning this idea that pat cippollone and even from the supporters within the white house, there's a broad acknowledgement, he's brilliant, a good legal mind, they haven't fully committed the idea that he will be leading this effort. now, the president's also spoken of alan dershowitz, in communication with him and this is just one, phillip, of the many decisions the president has to make. who's representing him? and this whole idea of whether or not you go for a short or for a long trial. now, the president is somewhat comparing himself to justice kavanaugh because the fate was in the hands of the senate and the way the president may feel
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right now. he is also trying to seek common cause saying that it helped republicans at the polls in 2018 saying that that drove many voters to reject democrats and become republicans. phillip? >> how long do you think that the impeachment trial would take? >> reporter: a couple of weeks. according to lindsay graham, sometimes floats ideas that he wants the president to embrace or the president wants him to float. so anywhere from a couple of weeks to when you listen to marcia blackburn, she wants more vindication, she seems to be from her statements be more on the longer end. ultimately i suspect it's a decision made by mitch mcconnell and he and the president in close coordination and saying there's not a lot of daylight between the two of them. when we press kellyanne conway yesterday on how appropriate it is to have essentially the defendant control this, talking
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about the schedule and calendar and all to assume up to this point. >> if history is an indication, one and a half to two months. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. the highest court in the land will decide if president trump keeps the financial documents private like the tax records. they require the accountants to turn over documents to prosecutors. the supreme court announcement comes after six lower courts ruled against president trump's efforts to keep those records secret. joining me now to help us walk us through the cases, katie fang, nbc legal contributor. thank you so much for joining me. can you walk us think the three cases? >> we are talking about three sets of subpoenas, phillip. the first one is done by the new york manhattan d.a. office sent to a third party accounting firm which has its hands on donald trump's personal and corporate
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tax returns and underlying financial documents for a number of years. that one is as a result of a criminal investigation that's a grand jury subpoena and in that case donald trump is actually claiming absolute immunity from criminal investigation and that is a reason why he's asking the supreme court to say that he does not have to turn over any of his financials including the tax returns. now, the two other set of subpoenas deal with house committees, one of them is from house oversight dealing with more of the financial documents that have to do with donald trump and the last ones which are financial services and house intel are directed to deutsch bank and capital one and those also seek donald trump's financials and all of these circumstances dealing with the house committees that are seeking the subpoenas to be complied with by the banks, et cetera, basically if there's a valid, legislative purpose by congress and the committees ask for documents and the information it must be turned
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over. the reason why this is of historical significance is it is the first supreme court test of donald trump's position that he is immune from having to comply with these types of subpoenas. it took a minimum of four justices to agree to hear the cases and not that big of a surprise the supreme court said, you know what? these types of cases mean huge decisions and time to actually address them and put them to bed but it takes a minimum of five justices to be able to rule in his favor or against donald trump's position to be able to determine whether or not the results are turned over to the appropriate requesters for this information. >> so when ch of the three do you think the white house should be most worried about? >> they're all looking for overlapping same information and it goes to whether or not donald trump has been telling the truth about not only his net worth but has he been telling the truth filing the tax returns? what is of significance is not just the returns sought but underlying source documentation. when we file the tax returns,
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for example, our canaccountants rely on the documents and so those underlying source documents are also being sought and so really it's left to be seen whether or not what some people say is a conservative looking supreme court is going to rule on the side of donald trump and bret kavanaugh may or may not be a swing decision in that case. >> the chances for trump do seem to be better and do you think there's a chance to see a surprise like chief justice roberts ruled in favor of obamacare? >> you duly noted at least six courts from the trial court level to the appellate court level like the intermediate level and then supreme court's going to hear the cases, those six courts they didn't all get it wrong. so the fact that there was a consistent ruling in six different courts against donald trump does not bode well for him and let me note the following, people are upset that this is happening right now but we will
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get a decision from the supreme court no later than june of 2020. of course, we'd love to see the stuff now but it will be way in advance of any november election next year and so ultimately those returns and the underlying financial information if it's reloosr released to the american public will tell if he's telling the truth or not. >> thank you so much for your expertise as always. now to the race to the white house. the 2020 democratic presidential hopefuls are hitting the campaign trail today. three are in. >> with a, two in south carolina and one is in arizona. most are in pennsylvania for a forum on education organized bay national and local teachers unions and public school supporters. so far we have heard several candidates discuss their plans for the future of education in america. that is tom styer on stage right now. i want to go to nbc news road warrior mike memaly there in
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pittsburgh. how's the audience responding to the candidates today? >> reporter: well, phillip, i think the way your hour has gone so far is an encapps lags of the issue on the campaign trail. the consequences of impeachment nominate the national conversation and following the kanld datcandidates on the road education with college education, the tuition funding, teacher pay, teacher tenure, charter schools and school safety have been some of the most dominant issues and educators, teachers among the most active and engaged in the democratic party and we have seen enthusiastic responses for the candidates so far. michael bennett talked about being the only school superintendent ever to run for president of the united states. he of course from denver and led the public schools there. we heard from mayor pete talking about the record as a mayor and also to translate the initiatives from south bend to
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the national level. senator warren with an applause talking about her wealth tax, a signature policy area using in large part to fund some am delicious education areas and bernie sanders talked about the opposition to the no child left behind, a major initiative of president bush so a real snapshot of really how the crowd is engaged here. >> a lot of these issues of the candidates in agreement upon. anything they might be in disagreement about? >> reporter: absolutely. i mean, one of the clearest areas where you can sort of see that divide between the so-called progressive wing and the moderate wing in the democratic party involves education, specifically one of the most signature debates is free college tuition. we heard senator bennett say these are hollow promises that some of the candidates are saying. he says he doesn't want to fight
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losing battles on medicare for all and free college when they have no chance. he wants to put funding into the school system but we heard a defense of that from senator warren saying, listen, you need to be able to fight for both structural change or else you have no hope of enacting anything close to that and something we expect to continue to hear throughout the day with some three additional candidates. we'll hear from amy klobuchar and then former vice president biden closing things out this afternoon. >> all right. live in pittsburgh for us today, mike memoli, today. the efforts to put division aside and move ahead with a brexit plan after a historic election. members of the trump administration in the middle east for the doha forum. what they're saying about trade, global security and the impeachment inquiry. that's next.
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north korea says it has successfully conducted another crucial test at the long range rocket site. according to the associated press, the test possibly involved technologies to improve an intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. the nation's state-run media reports that the test at the satellite launch site, a facility north korea previously promised to close. the launch comes as the regime threatens to pull out of already shaky nuclear talks with the u.s. and take another way if the
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end of the year deadline isn't met. protests in the uk, despite prime minister johnson's call to let the healing begin from the divisions of brexit, this comes following the conservative party's landslide victory in the general election thursday. the conservatives won their largest majority since margaret thatcher was in office. meanwhile, the labor party suffered the worst showing in more than 80 years. this morning on msnbc, former labor party member milliband gave his take on why korbin's leadership fell so short. >> this was one of the fallacies of the corbyn campaign because individual policies are popular that the package is credible. of course, the more change you offer, the more credible you have to be in delivering it and that's where the corbyn project fundamentally failed. >> nbc's matt bradley in london with the latest on these election results. matt, good to see you. has this officially cleared the
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way for brexit now? >> yeah, i mean, it would seem that way, phillip. not only is boris johnson won this resounding victory and one of the loudest voices championing brexit since long before that 2016 referendum that set it off and coming to power with a mandate making the election all about brexit, sticking to that topic even as his opponents tried to pull the conversation to social and economic issues like national health care and education and means johnson has the votes in parliament and the best indication of the public will to do whatever he wants with brexit. i mean, this is the closest thing to another referendum that britain had since the first referendum in 2016 meaning likely sticking to the pledge to getting britain out of the eu by the end of next month and do it on whatever terms he wants without the political winds of the past so we can expect johnson to push for a hard
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brexit, nearly complete severing ties with almost no deal to fill in the blanks on trades and other laws, a big brexit-shaped hole in both uk law and the relations with other countries in europe but, you know, even setting brexit aside, the election shifted britain's political geography totally. industrial regions in the north of england considered a labor stronghold, 0 called red wall, have swung toward johnson's conservative party. and the labor party's years long tl flirtation to the left seems to be ending. probably in the next couple of weeks. and that election is also breathed new life into scottish independence. the scots rejected independence in a referendum only a few years ago and we could see another on that very same question very soon. phillip? >> so what can we learn here, matt? do the results have a parallel or lessons for our upcoming
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election here in the united states? >> great question. there are quite a few parallels here, particularly as the democratic party in the u.s. struggles with divisions and indeed as the results the came in friday night, joe biden said basically that this is what happens when you put forward a candidate who is too far left and so while sol of those comparisons are fair, others are less so. the main issue is brex it and there really aren't many political analogs in the u.s. to brex it and the debate here but also labor leader corbyn is deeply popular, personally unpopular here, weak on security, feckless on brexit negotiations and too sympathetic terrorist groups and obvious from the polling numbers well ahead of the vote and like a general distaste for that labor leader that even the furthest
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left candidates in the states don't suffer from that. phillip? >> all right. we are paying attention on this side. thank you. meanwhile, in france, a mass protest rage on over a pension overhaul that aims to increase the retirement age for the youngest citizens, it sparked france's biggest strike in decades disrupting public transport and closing schools. yellow vest activists joined the wave of pension demonstrations pushing the year-old demands for fairness and the president's resignation. right now some of the most influential people in doha, qatar, trying to solve the biggest problems of the time. president trump's senior adviser and daughter ivanka trump and treasury secretary steve mnuchin lead the u.s. delegation there today and senator graham doubled down on the support of the president following the impeachment vote back in washington. >> people ask me why i come to
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the mideast so much. to get away from washington. the people are nicer. if you wonder what's going to happen in washington, impeachment will be over probably about mid-january. personally i think president trump will come out of this strongest. and the good news is that everybody in politics in america leads to prove to the american public we're not all completely crazy. >> nbc's aly aruzi is there with the latest from qatar. any standout noemmoments from t stage? >> reporter: yes. graham's support of president trump was a standout moment. very, very vociferous in the support of the president and all over by mid-january. he said once this impeachment gets to the senate it's going to die at the senate very quickly and he's going to do all he can to make sure it dies in the
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senate. he was very strong on the impeachment process. he was asked whether it was correct for president trump to ask a foreign leader for help investigating another u.s. official. and he said, yes, it was fine to do so because this was a very sensitive matter regarding hunter biden. he said if vice president pence's son had been investigating for taking money from a ukrainian gas company then the media would have made a bigger deal of it but because it's the trump family this is why this is not being taken so seriously. also quite interesting is a back and forth with the turkish foreign minister. nbc's reporter hosting a session with the turkish foreign minister and they spoke about buying the russian s-400 missile defense system. the turkish foreign minister said it was a done deal, buying it from the russians and
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something that the americans have to li with and when lindsey graham came on the stand he was strong from the opinion about this saying that there is absolutely no way that the turks can buy the s-400 system from the russians and then be part of the u.s. f-35 fighter jet program saying there's no way they can have both. that's not going to happen and seem to be reading off two totally different pages, the turkish foreign minister was also very strong in the words to buy this, he used the words this is a done deal and america should live with it. it was also quite interesting, graham talked about the turkish incursion into syria and he said president erdogan had done something nobody else could do and unite republicans and democrats on the same side about that move into syria. >> all right. with the latest from qatar, thank you. another person injured in
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after what he described as a wild week in washington, the president is in philadelphia for the big army/navy game. expected to do the coin toss to kick off the great football rivalry in about half an hour and nbc's monica alba at lincoln financial field in philly. monica, the president we understand has just arrived. how's the crowd treating president trump? >> reporter: sure, phillip. this is, of course, a historic matchup and something that has happened for the last 120 years. it really is more about the football and the celebration of the army/navy game and so much
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less about politics and anything of that sort but, of course, the president as the commander in chief here at the game, he will be here very shortly and kickoff is expected at 3:00 p.m. and he came last year and also when he was president-elect in 2016. and he's actually the tenth sitting president to continue this storied tradition where, of course, the president won't choose sides. he'll be supporting both and he'll show that physically by sending time with one side for half of the time he is here and then likely crossing over during halftime to the other side to show his allegiance to both. and now the army has actually won the last three contests but navy is favored today. as you can see here, we are switching almost to a bit of weather coverage. it is so windy and a little rainy and cold so folks are trying to make the way into the stadium because there's also heightened security with the president here but we did talk to folks about what they make of the fact that the commander in
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chief is here they said today is about the military, not about politics and talking to everybody about the developments surrounding impeachment they said they didn't want to talk about that, that today is truly an apolitical day and they're hopeful that's the way it stays and the president keeps it and notable when you have a combination of politics and sports which the president has mixed actually over the last few months, you will remember he went to the world series game and was booed, he went to a ufc match and received a mixed reaction and then finally that lsu/alabama game in october, a mostly friendly crowd. i think we can expect to see the same thing today, folks excited that the commander in chief is here, very respectful of that fact and i think that's what we'll see reflected on the field here, phillip. >> as by all accounts, the president is a big football fan an everybody seems to be in a festive mood despite the weather. thank you so much. we have heard the phrase the best offense is the good defense
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and appears the senate majority is ready to defend president trump as the impeachment trial looms. check this out. >> if you wonder what's going to happen in washington, impeachment will be over probably by mid-january. personally i think president trump will come out of this stronger. >> all right. that was senator lindsey graham today predicting the outcome of a trump trial before the articles of impeachment have even reached the senate. joining me now to discuss, glen kishner. graham is making this prediction and what do you make of this kind of republican senate response before we've even gotten to the trial? >> phillip, i actually think americans are justice loving people and even if you're a trump supporter, and there are lots of them out there, i don't know that it's going to sit well with the american people that
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lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell saying the fix is in, the verdict is reached before a single witness has been called in the senate trial. heck, before the articles of impeachment have even been voted out by the full house and referred over to the senate for trial. and you know, i was reminded of what we saw in the manafort trial. if you will recall, there was a female juror interviewed after the manafort jury returned guilty verdicts and she said, you know what? i'm a trump supporter and i wasn't prepared to come in here and be persuaded to hold paul manafort, trump's former campaign chairman, accountable for anything because i support the president. and then she said, but you know what? the evidence persuaded me that he was guilty. and so, even though it may not have necessarily meshed with my politics i had to vote the evidence. i had to do my duty as a juror.
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i hope that some of the senators will take a cue from that reasonable, average juror and actually decide the case based on the evidence, not on their politics. >> it is the impartiality that's required that every juror possesses. glen, we have heard that the president wants to make a spectacle out of this testimony with adam schiff, the whistle-blower, the bidens. how likely do you think that is to happen? >> i don't think a spectacle is necessarily in the president's interest and i don't know that mitch mcconnell would allow it because as i say they have already determined that the fix is in so why would they then want to play against themselves by opening up the process to all sorts of wild cards, the hunter bidens and trying to call adam schiff and out the whistle-blower?
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if lindsey graham and mitch mcconnell determine it's an acquittal it seems that's playing against themselves if they inject that sort of uncertainty into the process and they turn it into a circus-like atmosphere. >> all right. glenn, thank you so much for joining us today. >> thanks. there is a simmering possibility that the upcoming presidential debate may not happen. how a union dispute could keep each and every qualifying candidate off the debate stage. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein.
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as we speak, seven democratic presidential candidates are in pittsburgh for the public education forum and one of them was kind enough to join us now. tom styer. thank you so much for joining us. andrew yang called you out on thursday predicting that the massive ad buys from billionaires in the race like yourself and mike bloomberg are big duds. that's what he said. what is your reaction to that? >> look, my reaction on this race has always been that what will distinguish candidates and make them successful or unsuccessful is message, that the real question here is who has something important and different usual differential to the american people and trusted to bring it home? i have been running from the very beginning on the idea that we have a broken government, that it is purchased by corporations and before we get
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of the progressive policy goals that people on that stage want, whether it's education or health care or a living wage or clean air and clean water, we have to take back that government. and i'm somebody that spent ten years fighting corporations, winning and pushing power to the people so to me the question isn't about ad buys. the question here is about message. do you have something important to say that americans agree with and want to get behind? >> i did want to ask you about advertising. do you think you would have qualified for the december debate stage if you didn't spend all that money on advertisement? >> i'm not a famous person. most people don't know who i am. if people hear what i stand for and who i am, then they respond really positively. and so, i started really late. i started months after virtually everybody else in the race and people didn't know who i was so my whole goal is to simply put
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my message and my history and what i'm planning to do in front of the american people and let them respond. so i've been playing catch up and i've been doing it however i could and the way that i've done it for the last decade which is to spend my heart -- put my heart and soul into it to spend money so people hear what i say. >> you ran ads for the impeachment of donald trump 2017 and last year and now impeachment is here. so the need for those ads are gone. do you feel like you missed the moment? the moment's passed. >> gosh no. look. i thought there was something terribly wrong in 2017 which was we had the most corrupt president in american history. americans knew it and our voices weren't being heard so what i did was i started a petition drive that got more than 8 million americans to sign up to say, yes, he should be impeached
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and removed from office. i did over 50 town halls across the country to organize people's voices and we pushed constituents of elected officials to push them to do what was right so i don't believe i missed the moment at all. in fact, i believe the 8 million people deserve a lot of credit for dragging washington, d.c. to understanding that corruptionness is not a question of political expediency one way or the other but the heart of the presidency and this administration and is a question of right and wrong. >> what impact could your campaign face if you skip next week's debate because of the ongoing campus labor dispute? the candidates said they'll boycott if it is persisting. do you still hold that position? >> i do. look. i believe that there's been a 40-year war on working people in this country, starting when ronald reagan broke the air traffic controller strike. i believe that we absolutely
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need to support organized labor and unions. my first partner if politics is organized labor. it is my best partner. the idea of doing something that contravenes the rights of working people to organize is not something that i'm willing to contemplate under any circumstances. >> democratic presidential hopeful tom steyer, thank you so much. more now on that debate boycott. i want to bring in chris lue. you worked with the dnc chair at the labor department. if this is not settled by thursday, what do you think he will do? >> well, look. as you said i had the chance to work with tom for three years and seen him resolve disputes and figure out a way to both accommodate the needs of at this point of the political party but also supporting the rights of workers. you know, i'm not surprised these democratic candidates took this position. each has a strong record of fighting for a working men and
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women and that means a good wage and good benefits which is what these workers at this university are pushing for. >> what's interesting is all seven of the qualifying candidates, we just spoke to one of them a moment ago, they have agreed to boycott if the labor dispute is not settled. how did that come to be? >> well, look. the democratic party as he said is on the side of working men and women not only pushing for better wages, benefits, but as importantly, supporting the rights of workers to join unions and have the unions address grievances and that's what's happening here and that's a stark contrast to the current president that we have. so this is not a surprise. this is actually the second time or they have moved the debate once. i'm confident that tom perez, the chairman of the dnc, will figure something out here. >> hillary clinton had a relatively poor showing among union households in 2016 compared to barack obama in
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2012. is this boycott a tactic to try to win back some of the voters in 2020? >> no. look. i think this is consistent. i'm also a super delegate at the democratic national committee. we don't hold our meetings at hotels that are -- where the workers are on strike. democrats don't cross picket lines. this is a consistent theme where we stand with unions and again there are many locations you can hold this debate. frankly, i would just asoon they hold it in a tv studio and get rid of the audience because the audiences aren't that integral to the debate setting and important that the debate go forward. a lot of the media oxygen is sucked up by impeachment as it well should because we're dealing with a president violating the constitution and also important for voters, particularly in those early voting states next year to hear from the candidates, also just as important for some of these cannot dates whose momentum picked up in recent weeks or some of those who's faded to get another chance to speak to the
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good game today, guys. >> a live look now at president trump shaking hands with the players from the army football team. they're going to be taking on the navy mid shipmen in just under ten minutes, that game at lincoln financial field in philadelphia. monica alba says the president will spend equal time greeting both teams and then flip the coin and the game will begin. navy locking to get a little bit of revenge on army. we'll continue to cover the president in philadelphia for the army/navy game and want to move on now. despite a huge focus on impeachment in washington this week, president trump did score policy victories. the top legislative priority of revised trade deal with mexico and canada received support and
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headed to the senate and congressional negotiators reached a tentative $1.3 trillion federal spending deal potentially avoiding a shutdown next week and it was president trump's team and not the president himself who secured these victories. with me now to discuss anita kumar. why do you think the president is getting the victories when he is not directly involved? >> well, let's be clear. he can claim victory anyway because this is the team as you mentioned but, you know, he is not someone that's always been the type to have members of congress over and to sit there and negotiate personally. some presidents are like that and some aren't. he hasn't been like that and as you know in the past when he has had them over there have been a lot of blow-ups, a lot of meetings that somewhere not gone well and perhaps best to let the key officials, key administration officials, do the negotiating on both of these
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victory that is you just talked about. >> the president also managed a partial trade deal with china but is this a crisis that he himself created an enthen began to relent when china started to play hardball? can the president consider that as a win? >> he is considering it a win. you have seen people saying it's mixed. he did start this issue coming into office, talked about it on the campaign trail and like the mexico/canada agreement you mentioned which is a new agreement but he's the one that ripped up the one in the first place so look. he is going to look at these as vikt victories and campaign on them and this is gotten the allies very happy because this is what they want him to concentrate on, they would like him to be more involved in policy, like him to be more on the road talking about those policies, whether it's an official event or a campaign event and stopping to talk or tweet so much about impeachment and seems to --
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seems to pick fights and talk about how it affects him personally. they want him to do the official business and show why he should remain in office. >> do you think it's a bit harder for democrats to criticize trump given his handling of trade and where the economy stands right now? >> well, the democrats -- it's funny that nancy pelosi asked about this earlier this week. she was asked how can you start to or try to impeach the president and same time give him a victory? the democrats need a victory, as well. they need to show people around the country that they're doing more than just trying to remove the president from office. that they can pass bills, that they can legislate, work with the senate and so it's very important for them to also have victories. remember, they're facing voters next year in 2020 as well as the president. >> all right. anita, thank you so much for joining us on this saturday. >> sure. the fight over president trump's tax returns is officially headed to the supreme court. and the ruling is expected during the thick of the general
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welcome back. i'm phillip mena in for kendis gibson at msnbc headquarters in new york. president trump right now, we understand, arrived at the game in philadelphia, the army/navy game and we want to go now to monica alba covering that game for us from philadelphia.
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monica, how are fans treating the arrival of president trump? >> reporter: with a lot of excitement here, phillip. that's for good reason as we just learned as this game is about to get under way the president actually made a visit to both locker rooms for both of the teams here in the army/navy game with a very similar message to both sides which is go get 'em, have a great game out there and that's really what today is about. you know, the president won't be picking sides. he'll be rooting them on in equal amounts we're told and physically sort of showcase that by spending half the time on one side and then likely during halftime crossing over to the other showing his support most kritly as commander in chief on this very, very storied rivalry and now while the army has the edge in the last couple of years winning those contests, navy seems to be a little bit coming out on top today, the midshipmen and you never know what that means for football conditions in
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the rain and wind but we expect to see the president out on the field for the coin toss, that's something he's done in the past. he attended last year and as president-elect in 2016 which actually makes him the tenth sitting president to attend this game and it is a time honored tradition and as we talked to a lot of fans here with so many of them having ties to the military themselves having served or kids right now who serve or other family members, they all said this is not about politics today. they're honored to see the commander in chief and president trump here just as they have been to see past presidents over the years and talking to them about the head leans this week and specifically impeachment, of course, as the president faces down that full vote in the house on wednesday, everybody wanted to say and point out that this is an apolitical event, right? this is something where you wouldn't expect people to choose sides coming to the politics. just when it comes to the football and what the focus seems to be here and we expect
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that to continue with this under way here at lincoln financial field, phillip. >> that's what made it so surprising and nobody talking politics over there but we remember not that long ago that president trump was in d.c. nationals park for a world series game and a much different reception from the crowd there. >> reporter: precisely. it's actually notable that the president has been at several sporting events in the last couple of months receiving different kinds of reactions at each and that game you mentioned in the world series with the washington nationals was striking because so many people in the crowd were booing and even some sections were chanting if you remember lock him up, lock him up, which was at the time quite striking. after that, he went to a ufc match in new york at madison square garden where he received mostly cheers but some negative reactions, as well and then in october you may remember he went to the lsu/alabama game and mostly a friendly reception and
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a lot of fans there and folks there are supporters of the president in ruby red, alabama, of course. what can we expect to see here today? likely a similar very respectful reception of folks focused on what's happening on the field and less about what's happening off the field and of course back home in washington, phillip. >> very respectful audience in philadelphia and famously though, they booed santa claus. you never coming to that. you know, we are watching right now live president trump on the field moments -- he is moments ago -- he's about to toss the coin here. we have some sound i understand from what he told the army team in their locker room. let's go to that. >> last time i told your coach, what about a waver? i said, what are you talking
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about a waver? he said some of the guys to play in the nfl. you can play for the yankees. play for the mets. play basketball. you can play whatever. but you have to serve a long time so what we're doing now is you'll go out and you'll make a fortune and after you're all finished with the professional career you'll serve and everybody's thrilled. you can do whatever you want and it probably gives the coach no reason to ever lose another game. that's what you said. he'll never lose a game. so i want to congratulate you. you're the men. you told me about it. a few guys shouting about the waver, mr. president? how about the waver? good luck to you guys. >> the president having some fun there talking to the guys right before they're about to play navy in the storied rivalry that is army/navy. monica, thank you so much for joining us from philadelphia. when the president returns to d.c. from philadelphia he'll face a pivotal week in the impeachment battle, poised to become the third american
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president to be impeached after approving two articles yesterday, the house judiciary committee is preparing the full report for the senate expected to be finished before midnight tomorrow and then on tuesday pro impeachment demonstrations are planned in several cities across the country. the full vote is expected on wednesday. we have a guest from d.c. and what is the judiciary committee doing now? >> well, they're furiously writing that final document. they need to be able to present a full case this week, even though the outcome is preordained in a couple of ways. basically know we're looking at a party line vote before the full house. but for the judiciary committee, they're the preparing prosecutors, if you will. they need to make sure that they are presenting as full a case as
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they can and one that they feel that they will be able to defend. >> what do you think that senate trial is going to look like? >> well, actually, we have some relatively new reporting on that in the last couple of days. there's been a discussion, a back and forth within the white house, within the -- among the president's defenders about whether a longer trial or shorter trial is more politically advantageous for him. obviously a longer one gives the white house and the president's allies a way to say, another day of fruitless democratic attacks whereas a shorter one, you know, could potentially be viewed as more politically advantageous for democrats, they could then come out making the argument that they did their constitutional duty, did exactly what was needed and the republicans wouldn't hear any of it, wouldn't consider the idea that the president might have
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done something wrong. however, the latest appears to be that the white house view is that a shorter one is better. and that they will actually be able to make their case this they're not going to show up, not going to engage in what they say is a partisan sham process and that by letting it be very short, by not making a big case of it themselves, that they will further their argument. >> it was at this point in his impeachment that president nixon resooned. it was just after the judiciary vote and clearly not expecting anything like that from president trump. in fact, he seems to believe that this is going to help him come 2020. what are your thoughts on that? >> yeah. phillip, i mean, the president's main view on impeachment has not changed that he hates it, he feels that this is unfair, a stain on his legacy and that it impugns his legitimacy and
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something he's extremely sensitive about so while he does agree and said so out loud in the oval office yesterday that this is politically advantageous to him, his gut feeling about it is still one of outrage and annoyance i guess. >> all right. anne gearan, thank you so much for joining us on this saturday. appreciate it. >> thank you. despite the week's hearings not much changed in the court of public opinion. the needle did not move with the americans in the entire process but how could that next phase impact the 2020 election with just 51 days until the iowa caucus? joining me from iowa is nbc's own mara barrett. what are voter there is in iowa saying? does it seem the impeachment process is shaping the 2020 landscape? >> so, you know, as i cover a lot of presidential campaign events here in iowa, voters don't bring up impeachment or
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ask candidates about it directly but very much in tune to what's going on back in d.c. i spoke to some voters here in des moines just to drake university and asked them about impeachment and how they saw impeachment intersecting with 2020. impeachment takes a lot of conversation in the news cycle and i was curious and i asked them, the two students at drake, what they thought about how impeachment could affect the 2020 cycle. here's what they told me. >> i somewhat worry that the not being in iowa could impact the caucuses and i don't think it should and i don't think it will. i think iowa voters take the job seriously and i think that they realize the importance of the impeachment and they realize the role, senator booker, senator warren, senator klobuchar, have in this impeachment inquiry and they have a role and position to do first. >> a lot of people are undecided right now and does depend on
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who's there although i think they make the time to really devote time to iowa because even though that they might be dealing with impeachment they'll be coming back here often enough. i don't think it will have too much of an effect but we'll see. >> so these voters, very dedicated, following the candidates, checking the impeachment hearings and understanding if candidates aren't able to spend as much time in iowa as is the tradition leading up to the february 3rd caucuses, phillip. >> the candidates who are also senators and must be present for the senate impeachment trial, they will be heading back to d.c. leading up to caucus day. until that's over. what do you think they're doing to stay on the top of the voters' minds there in iowa? >> sure. so this will impact five presidential candidates who are senators and while their campaigns are waiting to hear what the schedule might look for the trial in january trying to take time here in december as they can. senator warren and sanders both
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here in iowa today and then they'll come back immediately after this week's debate. corey booker also a senator didn't make the debate stage and will be here taking the time when no one else can be here and launching a bus tour and senator klobuchar announced this morning taking part in a four-day bus tour for 27 counties in iowa just after the debate and working on all 99 counties and physically being here in december before they maybe can't be in january and speaking to voters yesterday they suggested that we are in the age of technology. there's social media, twitter, facebook. senator booker thinking of holding virtual town halls to ask questions remottly as he's back in d.c. so that's an unprecedented add we have here that senators might be able to take advantage of if they're not in the hawkeye just before the caucuses in february, phillip. >> a fascinating wrinkle before the iowa caucuses. thank you so much. the battle over president
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trump's tax returns is headed to the supreme court. justices will review three appeals of lower court orders that require the president's banks and account apts to turn over records. the president has been fighting to keep the finances private and lost every case in that effort so far. joining me now is cynthia oxney, a former federal prosecutor. thank you for joining us. can you walk us through the cases? >> thank you. yeah, i think you made an important point in the description and that is most people think these are cases where president trump is sued. and that's not who's sued. who's been sued are his -- the accountants and deutsch bank and capital one. the most interesting of the three to me was filed by the attorney general of new york. he is investigating with a grand jury the hush money payments to the women the president used to hide -- keep them quiet right before the election. and he's investigating the
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payments. his accounting firm is battling about whether or not to turn over his tax returns. right? but recognize it's very important, not the president sued. it is the accounting firm. and that case in the lower courts, the lower courts all said, yes, you have to turn over the records, the president is not above the law. the president's lawyers made this fascinating, outrageous argument that he was absolutely immune. not only can you not indict a sitting president but you can't investigate him and the lawyer used the example to shoot somebody on 5th avenue and nobody investigate him. that case is going to the supreme court. i would expect that he loses that and what we know in this political charged world that we live in is that justice roberts,
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chief justice, has said he only wants to call balls and strikes and keep the supreme court apolitical and find out in june whether or not that's true. >> depending on the rulings, could president trump face any legal consequences if he is not re-elected? >> well, that's an interesting point, too, you bring up. that is, if it's true that he is absolutely immune from being investigated while he is president, and let's say he gets re-elected, the statute of limitations in most of these -- most federal criminal cases is five years. that would mean he could commit crimes and if re-elected run out the statute of limitations so it's very important when analyzing these cases to recognize there's two halves to this. there's the immunity issue and the statute of limitations issue and they have to be connected otherwise nothing really makes sense so, yes, there's a real risk if the president is
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re-elected and he wins, for example, this mazra case saying he cannot be inforvestigated th he gets away with tax evasion to do with the payments to stormy daniels and the other lady so that he could keep that quiet before the election. >> just a shockingly consequential loophole there. thank you so much. >> it is a consequential loophole but i'm -- i actually, you know, maybe i'm a pollyanna but i think that justice roberts wants to keep the court apolitical and he wants to call balls and strikes and every lower court that's looked at the three cases has all ruled that president trump is not above the law, that he has to turn over this information. >> yep. >> that there is a legitimate legislative purpose in the other cases and counting on the supreme court to try to really stay apolitical because lord knows we have enough problems in our government. >> we're going to find out soon
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enough just exactly how that's handled by chief justice roberts. thank you. new york city college student robbed and murdered, a 13-year-old is charged. the chilling details of the attack as that young suspect appears in court. since my dvt blood clot i wasn't sure...
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stunning developments in the tragic murder of a 18-year-old new york city college student. police say tessa majors, a college freshman, fought for her life in the alleged robbery gone wrong wednesday afternoon in
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manhattan. a 13-year-old has been arrested and charged while another teen is questioned. here's nbc's cathy park. >> reporter: new details in the fatal stabbing of new york college student tessa majors, new york state wnbc reporting that in a court hearing on friday new york city police detectives testified that the 13-year-old suspect told him he watched two friends grab tessa majors in morningside park, put her in a chokehold and remove items from the pockets and then the boy told detectives he watched as a friend slashed the young woman with a knife and saw feathers from the stuffing of her coat come flying out. the 13-year-old is charged as a juvenile with second-degree murder, robbery and a weapons charge. due to his age nbc news is not naming the suspect. >> the kid had his whole life ahead of him. and the victim, she had a life ahead of her. it is unfortunate. >> reporter: officials questioning a 14-year-old in connection with the killing.
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police say the 18-year-old freshman at barnard college was attacked by a group minutes from campus wednesday night walking through the park. >> during the struggling, one of these individuals pulled out a knife and stabbed our victim several times. she was able to stagger her way up to the surface side of morningside street where she was observed by a school security guard. he called 911. >> reporter: new york city leaders promise swift action. >> i'm absolutely confident that any individuals involved in this terrible, heinous attack will be brought to justice. >> reporter: the brazen crime rattling nerves among students. >> it is really painful. i walk through that park on my way home every day. >> reporter: tessa's family issued a statement saying they're devastated by the senseless loss of our beautiful and talented tess. she was in a band and interned
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for the virginia free press. >> the greatest tragedy is that the world won't get to see what she would have done. >> reporter: through a podcast, a glimpse of enthusiasm of starting college. >> it's all-girl school and excited about that. >> reporter: a promising life ending too soon as a family prepares to say good-bye. >> that was nbc's kathy park reporting. officials say it's unclear what role the 13-year-old played in the death. they believe three people were involved in the attack. a vote on impeachment is expected to go to the house floor in just days and some of the democrats expected to vote for impeachment are from conservative swing districts. how their vote might impact their chance for re-election, next. ♪oh there's no place like home for the holidays.♪
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it is now up to the entire house of representatives to decide if president trump will be impeached. this follows a week full of heated debates, marathon hearings and, of course, a lot of tweets. nbc's heidi pryzbala has the latest. >> reporter: for the third time in the country's history the u.s. house is set to vote on the impeachment of an american president. washington is bracing for what
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will be a historic impeachment vote, the judiciary committee announcing two articles of impeachment against president trump on tuesday. abuse of power and obstruction of congress. >> the articles are what they are. they're very powerful, very strong. and they are a continuation of a pattern of misbehavior on the part of the president. >> reporter: committee members debated the articles in a set of marathon hearings including 14-hour hearing thursday. the democrats made the case against the president calling the actions unprecedented. >> never in the entire history of our country have we had a president of the united states simply defy a co-equal branch altogether. there's no example. >> the president committed the highest crime against the constitution by abusing his
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office. cheating in an election. >> the president abuses power and is a continuing threat, not only to democracy but to our national security. >> reporter: and republicans continued to defend mr. trump claiming democrats are the ones who have abused their power. >> that is just a democratic drive-by to go and list crime that is you don't allege and that you don't have evidence for. >> this is a just travesty and a sham from day one. >> none of your fact witnesses were able to establish any evidence of bribery, treason, high crimes or misdemeanors. >> reporter: but as committee members prepared to finalize the language of the articles, committee chair jerry nadler delayed the vote until friday morning. >> the committee is in recess. >> reporter: saying such an important vote should not be rushed, a decision that did not sit well with minority members. that vote taking place friday morning along party lines. >> aye. >> reporter: with a full house vote expected in the coming week. the president responding to the
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hearing in realtime, firing off 123 tweets on thursday alone all while maintaining his innocence. >> this is the lightest impeachment in the history of our country by far. >> reporter: but with president trump's impeachment expected to pass the house, focus now turns to the trial over whether trump should be removed from office. parameters will be worked out between majority leader mcconnell and minority leader schumer but mcconnell says any decisions will be made in lockstep with the president's team. >> we'll be working through this process hopefully in a fairly short period of time, in total coordination with the white house counsel's office and the people who represent the president in the well of the senate. >> reporter: following the vote on impeachment, mcconnell said the senate trial will start in the new year. in washington, nbc news. defecting democrats? a new jersey congressman jeff
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van drew is expected to leave the party. this after an internal poll of nbc news showed that 60% of democratic primary voters in his district thought someone new should be elected. van drew has been vocal against impeachment citing the red south jersey district and eight other lawmakers in competitive districts are currently on the fence ahead of the full house vote. msnbc's steve kornacki explains why. steve? >> reporter: two articles of impeachment made it out of the house judiciary committee. the next destination, the floor of the house, the full house will get to vote on the articles of impeachment, whether to impeach donald trump. what did we see in the judiciary committee is party line, 23-17. 23 yes and 17 no. will we also see a party line vote on the house floor or will there be defectors, republicans that vote to impeach trump, democrats that vote not to to? >> a headline from nbc news,
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saying it's republicans who are focusing on some democrats who may break with the party and vote to impeach. the reason why the focus is there now and it is not so much on republicans turning against trump, there are only a couple of republicans who are in clearly democratic districts in the house, districts that voted for hillary clinton in 2016 and only a few, 3 to be exact, among them no signs of breakage with trump on this and the specific type of democrat. count them up here. 31 democrats, what do they all have in common? 31 in the house. all of them represent districts that were won by donald trump in 2016 so again we say there's only 3 republicans from district that is went for clinton. but there are 31 democrats from districts that went for trump and so maybe the politics are a little bit more complicated for these democrats because they ultimately have to answer to voters that favored donald trump
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in 2016. so how are they going to break on the question of impeachment? a couple names to single out here. first of all, jeff van drew, this is new jersey. see him off here in the ocean but actually he represents the southern part of new jersey right there. sort of by atlantic city, that area and also this man right here, colin peterson, rural west minnesota. only two democrats who voted against even having this impeachment inquiry. van drew indicated to vote against impeachment when it comes to the house floor next week. peterson indicated he is likely to do that. already two democrats that look likely to be noes and then 29 others. there are a few here, lucy mcbath in the atlanta area, a few democrats from trump districts saying, yes, they'll vote for impeachment and a few on the record and a lot of democrats right now they haven't said much, keeping quiet. a lot of them go to the districts, have events and cautious and careful with how they approach this.
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xeptd for peterson and van drew, the democrats voted to open the inquiry. will they vote to impeach a president that the voters in the district were for in 2016? that's the question folks look at here. seeing the vote next week, maybe not any republicans up for grabs on this thing but there may be some democrats keep an eye on the 29 besides the 2, 31, 29 seem to be in play from trump districts. >> all right. msnbc's steve kornacki there. seven of the 2020 candidates making a stop in pittsburgh. a live look at joe biden takes the stage wrapping up the education forum. the points they're making with education reform and the looming questions of the upcoming presidential debate. why the candidates could sit this one out, next. any comments doug?
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the 2020 democratic presidential hopefuls are campaigning across the country today. one is in arizona. two are in south carolina. and three are in iowa. however, the most are in pennsylvania for a presidential forum on education organized by national and local teachers unions and public school supporters. former vice president biden is on stage now and we have heard from michael bennett, tom steyer and senators klobuchar, sanders and warren. nbc news road warrior mike
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memoli is there for us. how's the audience responding to the candidates? >> reporter: phillip, we have moved from backstage where we were last hour out into the main arena here. as you see the former vice president biden, the last of the seven candidate who is are addressing the forum today. interesting he started out talking about the plan for a free community college and he promised randy whitegarden, one of the union presidents co-sponsored the event he can get it done and got a strong applause from this audience, also strong applause for talking about the fact of a husband of a teacher saying there's no stronger ally in the white house than him if president but him talking about the fact not only propose this and get it done is a thing we have seen as a dividing line of the candidates on stage, pushing ambitious policies from the progressive wing and more pragmatic policies from the moderate wing and not just on education, phillip. we had a chance to talk to the candidates back stain.
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one is michael bennett and you may remember joe biden accused mayor pete of stealing the health care plan. michael bennett is an author of a medicare x-plan and i asked him what he thought of the vice president saying that. let's listen. >> i've been robbed blind by everybody. if mayor pete stole it from joe biden, joe stole it from me because as bernie says over and over again, he is the guy that wrote the damn bill on medicare for all. i'm the guy that wrote the damn bill on the public option and been for for ten years. mayor pete for medicare for all 18 months before the public option. i'm not sure where joe biden was but we didn't get it done. >> reporter: so it's interesting there, senator bennet trying to say he was the one who actually is the author of the plan for a public option which joe biden championed in his campaign. of course, it is important to note, phillip, senator bennet
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not on the debate stage this week. he is not qualified for that debate. senator booker supposed to speak here today had to cancel because of the flu and he is not in attendance at this debate. i asked tom steyer about the fact that he who's somebody to finance his own campaign is able to get on the debate stage and elected senator who is are front and center in this impeachment trial are not on the debate stage. he said he's calling on the dnc to relax some requirements to let more on the debate stage and interesting day here in pittsburgh to hear from a number of candidates, phillip. >> mike out on the road yet again for us in pittsburgh, thank you. we're less than a week out from the next democratic presidential debate. that's if the debate even happens. this week, each qualifying candidates pledged to boycott the debate in solidarity with the unite local 11 food workers in los angeles saying they'll
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picket the debate if the labor dispute is not resolved before debate night. joining me now emily tish sussman. and michael smichael. what do you think will happen? >> maybe the democrats find an alternate site. you want to support the organized labor which i think there is enough discussion of the role of organized labor politically and moving into the middle class. that is a great way to show solidarity with them. >> emily, the debate exists, because of the that labor dispute. is this a window into a key issue that democrats are going to be raising coming up in 2020? >> i think we can definitely expect to see it across the entire race in 2020, talking about labor, talking about how to shift the balance of power of 'em employeers and employees. that is something that there's been pretty robust platforms on
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from many of the candidates. but we can guarantee that it will come up as a very big issue even more so than others. what's actually been interesting and talk about the future of work is that yang is now qualified for the debate and kind of centered his platform on universal basic income and the future of work. he actually has the least platform of any of the candidate that is qualified and those who haven't, actually, on ourganize labor in particular. >> only one person of color qualified for this debate. does that send warning signals to you? >> of course it does. there's a racist in the white house and happy that andrew yang made it to the debate stage but booker, harris, castro thundering away at immigration and the crisis at the border not
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on the stage. it's disheartening. there's conversations about the campaigns themselves but i think the narrative of this issue from the very beginning has been about working class white males and that has an impact on candidate strategy, policy but also candidate choice. you have voters thinking, is that black man or african-american woman able to bring in white working class voters? my concern has always been that that narrative becomes disqualifying for some candidates and been very, very concerned about it and frankly i think that has been the -- has done them a disadvantage more than anything else. >> what do you think about that, emily? dnc instituted this for a reason. is it basically backfiring on them? >> i think it is backfiring. it's the backbone of the democratic party and cannot win a general election without voters of color, particularly african-american voters and women and to you point there's
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an overemphasis on white male working class voters, certainly in messaging of voters of color. you have to whittle it down somehow, you have to have a criteria. but the fact that this has ended up being the result is not great for voter confidence in the party and for the candidate. >> right. >> look. it is not just the obama/trump voter that is swung and gave the election to trump, also the fact that many voters particularly voters of color before disqualified for structural reasons or because they were not inspired, didn't feel they were spoken to. >> you have got candidates -- who's the black candidate going to south carolina? 4.9 million voters voted for obama and did not come out in '16. third of them african-american. listen. i understand. biden and certainly elizabeth warren talked about issues impacting communities of color, particularly african-americans,
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but to not have one on the debate stage at this moment in time just seems incredibly problematic and shortsighted. >> if you're the dnc and like emily was saying, we have to whittle it down. they have to do something. how do you do that and ensure diversity? >> i do understand you have to whittle it down and that's my concern about the narrative of white working class. i don't know where that really came from but the fact is that we have been living with that narrative for a long time now. just let voters choose the candidates they want based on the qualities they're promoting and let's not try to sort of be these grand strategists to talk about what the country needs. let the voters make that decision. >> all right. thank you so much for joining me today. the new clint eastwood movie starting backlash today, why the portrayal of a reporter in richard jewell angered many friends and family. the actress in the role is speaking out next. that's next. that is amazing.
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jamaican to win that title. a week after miss africa took the title after miss universe in 2019. a viral craig's list post pulling on heart strings. trying to track down a grandmother they believe may be spending christmas alone. the author of the new deleted listing said she has no family and would like to be part of one for the holidays. tulsa local carson carlock shared a screen shot in the effort to find the woman, shared over 6,000 times. a new clint east wood movie causing a lot of controversy. celebritying weighing in on the 2020 primary. pop and politics. here to discuss with me, the host of entertainment weekly. the show, lola and back with me is abasel michael. clint eastwood, his new film.
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"richard jewell." alerted the police with the backpack with three pipe bombs only to become named their suspect. the atlantic journal of constitution kathy scruggs had sex with an fbi agent in order to get a story tip on jewell. the ajc said there's no evidence to support this. lola, do you think this controversy we're hearing about now has marred the release of the film? >> well, you never want negative buzz going into a film and you never want the editor in chief of a newspaper to come out and denounce the film. you also don't want one of the stars of the film, olivia wilde, who, before this film, extremely popular to now have to defend this movie and her portrayal. this is not the way you want to roll out a film. >> i did want to talk about that. we can pull up what she wrote on twitter. olivia wilde, she said, i do not believe that kathy traded sex for tips. nothing in my research suggested she did so, and it was never my intention to suggest she had.
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that would be an appalling and misogynistic dismissal of the difficult work she did. is that tweet a little too late? >> it might be a little too late but i think what's interesting in going to your point, as this movie is being rolled out and as you see these tweets pop up, i see articles about how that is portrayed in movies and television. you may not realize it's there and you're sort of accepting of it but it's important to have it called out every time. maybe this has the effect of tamping that downgoing forwa go. but i don't know if it will help the cause much. >> to piggy back on basil's point, but post the me too era doesn't look good. if you wanted to take poetic license or creative license, you might have in many ways have
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gone against that trope, but to have a female reporter using her feminine wiles and not just being a thorough intrepid reporter but in some way coax out information, it is a tired question. >> i want to go to megan rapinoe who offered her endorsement with senator elizabeth warren is her choice. lola, i want to know if there's any reason to believe these celebrity endorsements, how much weight do you think this is going to hold coming up in the next election? >> well, it helps to have the "sports illustrated" athlete of the year endorsing you. megan is a huge star on the field and off the field. incredibly clear about where she stands politically. extremely progressive. famously turned down appearing at the white house with donald trump. been vociferous in her defense of colin kaepernick and speaks up for marginalized communities,
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and she wants seismic change in this country and believes elizabeth warren is the person to deliver that. but my question is, who is going to play her on snl? because kate mckinnon is already playing elizabeth warren so beautifully. who's going to play megan? >> that's a great question, now thinking about it. >> not to be outdone, basil g, bernie sanders got endorsed by cardi b. the youth of america? >> the short answer is yes. they don't count a lot for on the ground support but helps in terms of fund raising and in terms of bringing a tremendous amount of enthusiasm and a certain type of voter to big events. so, you know, make these big splashes. it does help and particularly, someone like elizabeth warren who had withbeen dipping in the polls a little bit, so hopefully this will give her a bump but
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all the other endorsements we'll surely see throughout the rest of the cycle, very useful for a little bit of buzz and a lot of fund raising. >> all right, basil, lola, thank you so much. joy reid will have megan rapinoe on her show tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. i'd like to thank my guests for joining us today. as the house gets ready to vote on impeachment, the spotlight is on democrats representing traditional conservative districts. richard louis talks with congressman about he's voting with his party and the possibility of not sending articles to the senate. that's next. articles to the senate that's next. he wanted someone super quiet. yeah, and he wanted someone to help out with chores. so, we got jean-pierre. but one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with renters insurance. ♪ yeah, geico did make it easy to switch and save. ♪ oh no. there's a wall there now. that's too bad.
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hour of "msnbc live." it continues now with richard lui. >> good to see you and hello to all of you on this saturday. i'm richard lui at msnbc headquarters in new york city. thanks for being with us. the impeachment of president donald trump is now all but certain if you're looking at the news headlines with a full house vote that's expected in just days. members of the senate are now bracing for what will be a historic trial, however, the vote could prove problematic for some moderate democrats. we'll talk to one of them in just a few moments to get the point of view. as the process does inch closer to the senate, who is really going to be running that process? majority leader mitch mcconnell saying, hey, don't look at me. and it's not impeachment, but education. that's the topic of the day for most of the


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