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senator mitch mcconnell is needling house democrats for he says getting cold feet and holding off on sending over articles of impeachment. speaker nancy pelosi clapping back in a new interview this morning. as for the president, according to one of his friends, he's mad as hell and demanding an immediate senate trial. the historic impeachment obviously a major topic at the last presidential debate of the year. but if you also have wine caves on your debate bingo card, congratulations. we've got the fallout from the feisty moments in a live interview with oun of the democrats on the stage. our news team is here with the latest developments. garrett haake, kelly o'donnell, and our team of guests and analysts as well. garrett, lawmakers are gone. you are in what i presume is a ghost town of a will rogers area there on the hill. they're gone for a few weeks. where do things stand on impeachment? what are you hearing about the
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standoff between mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi? >> everyone is on a two-week holiday break and both sides are pretty well dug in here. we will expect to see perhaps some movement in early january when they both come back. right now house and senate expected to be back around january 6th. but after a long awaited meeting between chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell in which the two sides had hoped to work out the con tours of a trial, this is instead what we heard last night. >> my friend, the democratic leader, continues to demand a new and different set of rules for president trump. the house democratic prosecution seems to have gotten cold feet. >> simply put, i told leader mcconnell that we would not support any trial without witnesses and documents. you don't have that many powers as minority leader, but the power i do have is to force a vote and we will force a vote on all the witnesses and all the
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documents. >> reporter: and those votes on witnesses could be interesting. typically in these inter-party standoffs, the party that stands the most united wins. the democrats are lined up behind schumer and pelosi, who is flexing a little bit in a year-end interview that she gave to politico in which she says she is not afraid of anything and is rarely surprised. pelosi holds some of the cards here over the next two weeks and one of the things she's beth on and i think kelly will probably talk about this more, is the idea that donald trump's im patience to move forward might overrule mitch mcconnell's strategic patience to simply wait out democrats on the outline of a trial. >> is there any universe you can envision in which the senate trial does not happen in the first three weeks of january? >> reporter: i would be shocked by that. i think everyone involved wants to get this thing moving. it's just a matter of how. >> how and the exact date at this point. garrett, thank you.
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kelly, let's go over to the white house because the president and his people are talking about this and thinking about this this morning, we know. >> reporter: well, good morning. hallie. this is certainly something this the president has on his plate. and when garrett hints at the im patience, it's one of the character traits of the president that is quite add odds with mitch mcconnell in terms of sbulsiveness, versus the calmer, planning calculating approach that mitch mcconnell brings to this. and one of the things that the president has said is that he will listen to the senators who are advising him as he's putting together his plan for a senate trial. and he expects to have pat cipollone, the white house counsel, leading that effort, also always keeping the door open for additional lawyers to be included. and when we've heard mitch mcconnell talking about his own sense of not being an impartial juror, think of that as an audience of one at pennsylvania
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avenue, a reassuring signal perhaps from mitch mcconnell that the interests of the president will be mcconnell's own interest to try to tamp down the likelihood that the president would use his patience in a way that might not serve his own best interest. so that kind of attention point where certainly mcconnell, who has been an observer of this president for three years understands some of those dynamics and trying to keep things from getting off the rails in terms of what is still a dynamic situation, dealing with the incoming from democrats with schumer and pelosi, and of course the other kinds of pressures that are important to mitch mcconnell, which is the interests of those senators who are up for re-election, mcconnell himself. but certainly those who are much more vulnerable when you think of the cory gardner, susan collins, joni ernst and so forth. of course congress is out of town and the president will be leaving this evening after he signs the national defense authorization act, and for those
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who are keeping score, space force becomes a part of the military service branchs now with the signing of this, which is something the president thinks is one of his legacy items at a time when his legacy has certainly been affected in a permanent way by impeachment this week, hallie. >> absolutely. kelly o'donnell with the jazz hands on space force. always great to see you. garrett haake, appreciate it. let me bring in a couple of people who know a lot about the hill, about the administration. jim kessler knows chuck schumer, lauren leds the comes team for former senator and was the deputy assistant secretary for public affairs of the department of homeland security inside the trump administration. so there is this standoff not just between these different branches of congress, but between the president and the guy who leads senate republicans over on capitol hill. and i think you heard it laid out really well from our fantastic reporters there, impulsiveness and impatience.
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it feels like maybe is president is not going to win this battle. >> i agree. everyone knows that the longer that mcconnell waits, the more that he forces the hand where he doesn't have to give up much ground and nancy pelosi is going to be forced to go because she has a lot of moderate democrats that she needs to protect that won in swing districts and they don't need to be out there talking about impeachment indefinitely. they need to be going back to kitchen table issues and moving away from this unpopular topic. so she's going to have a little bit of a force from her own members to really push this out and get this done and so for mcconnell, he's happy to sit and wait and see that through. >> so mcconnell is happy to wait. how about your guy, senator chuck schumer. put into our heads of what his strategy -- if he even gets a stake in the strategy at this point. >> he's pretty good at using leverage as well and he can be patient when there's time to be patient. >> especially when he knows that could end up politically beneficial to him. >> yes. .
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schumer has a favorite quote, sunlight is the best disinfectant. we know how 96 out of 100 senators are going to vote on this trial. that's not really -- >> yes, 67, that's not a reality. >> but can you have an impartial process and impartial trial for the public out there, and, you know, how can you not have witnesses, how can you not have actual testimony, how can you not release transcripts? so that's what he's going to be trying to do. i think they're going to succeed. pelosi has a lot of patience. i don't think the moderate house members are really a problem on this at this point. it is now sort of off the house plate. >> again, the sort of person who would end up being the wild card is the guy i cover every single day at the white house, donald trump. lindsay graham is a friend of his, an ally, very close. he was at the white house yesterday, late last night. and i want to play for you what the senator had to say. >> i just left president trump.
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he's mad as hell that they would do this to him and now deny him his day in court. the reason they're denying him his day in court, they know their case sucks. >> he wants a trial and he wants one now. he wants to be able to go back to his rallies, the president does, and say they acquitted me. and the longer it's going to take him to be able to say those words, i think the angrier you will see him get. >> and there's a need for him to communicate that he wants this over. because he can say they're being unfair and not sending it over, this is ridiculous. the trump administration, the trump campaign raised $5 million off of the impeachment vote. so for them, this is a get out the vote effort, this is galvanizing the base. it's pushing people to get pumped that he's running in 2020. so for them, they're like of course they're going to convey that he's angry, that he wants his day in court, he wants to defend himself because he didn't do anything wrong.
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acquittal or them not sending the impeachment over is kind of a messaging win. >> you talked about this line that chuck schumer likes to use, sunlight is the best disinfectant. he has called for several witnesses, including former national security adviser john bolton. in a rare on the record comment about this, john bolton was on npr. he used a lot of words to not say much. >> i think although i have a lot to say on the subject, the prudent course for me is just to decline to comment at this point. >> that's a dressed up no comment from john bolton. i want to talk to you about the strategy, because what kind of leverage could senator schumer have over mitch mcconnell? talk about that a little bit. and listen, for john bolton to testify, the white house would have to say okay. that is almost certainly not going to happen at this point. this is all just theatre. >> right. and look, donald trump wants a fast trial. he also wants a sham trial. like he doesn't want any witnesses. how can you have a trial -- >> he wants witnesses, just not
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the same witnesses as democrats. he wants hunter and joe biden. >> how can you not have john bolton there who called the ukraine action a drug deal, giuliani's drug deal and told his staff you better talk to some lawyers. so john bolton should be there. the leverage here is really what are some of these moderate republican senators and senators up for re-election, susan collins, corey gored ny gardner really want to go back and say i want something where there's going to be no witnesses. i don't know the answer to that question. >> and i think that's the broader strategy, is that schumer and pelosi are saying, okay, we can set this up as what seems like an unfair trial, we can force votes, they only need a simple majority, 51 votes in order to set the rules for the impeachment trial. so they can actually force a lot of votes on these vulnerable republicans and i think that's actually the real issue and the real reason they're doing this.
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>> great insight from both of you. thanks for being on. i appreciate it. who is going to blink first m the standoff between senator mcconnell and speaker pelosi? we're asking a key democratic kong live. and everything from the economy to their experience to fancy wine, one of the contenders on stage, tom steyer, will also be here. cologuard: colon cancer screening for people 50
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so lawmakers here in washington may be off for work, but the 2020 democrats are not. grinding it out on the campaign trail today after the sixth and final presidential debate of the year. and if we learned anything, it's that the democratic field has a new target, pete buttigieg taking it from all sides. especially from elizabeth warren, with things getting heated over fundraising. >> the mayor just recently had a fundraiser that was held in a wine cave full of crystals and served $900 a bottle wine. billionaires in wine caves should not pick the next president of the united states. >> this is the problem with issuing purity tests you cannot yourself pass. if i pledge never to be in the company of a progressive democratic donor, i couldn't be up here. senator, your net worth is 100 times mine. >> that's get to our nbc news road warriors in los angeles.
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ali vitali and vaughn hillyard. let me start with you, vaughn, because the headlines all say it. i want to pull them up from some of the big papers. bea buttigieg is the target. he's strong but comes under attack from campaign rivals. is his campaign happy about that? >> reporter: we're about 20 miles south of where the debate took place. he'll be here taking part in an environmental round table. this is a place with multiple superfund sites. to answer your question, pete buttigieg is the one that took the direct hits. not only from elizabeth warren, but also amy klobuchar. joe biden, the front runner largely went unscathed. but pete buttigieg has been recently leading in iowa polling and was hit as you heard from
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elizabeth warren. he pushed back. over the last week and a half he has had 18 fundraisers, while elizabeth warren is not holding the fundraisers. pete buttigieg said listen, the trump organization has already raised over $150 million. but amy klobuchar really taking him on about his experience. we talked to a large number of voe voters in iowa, they say they like pete buttigieg, but also mentioned amy klobuchar. she brought attention to everyone about the one time pete buttigieg ran statewide in which she pointed out and i want to let you hear part of my interview with pete buttigieg when i asked him about amy klobuchar bringing up the 2010 race. >> what evidence can you actually suggest that you would be able to actually win there in
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the midwest. >> 2010 was one of the worst years for democrats in american history, and especially as a democrat with no name recognition and not a lot of money, running statewide during the peak of the tea party season, in indiana, one of the most conservative states in the country. >> hallie, i should also point out that pete buttigieg decided to run for president this year. there is a governor's race in indiana this year. that's why amy klobuchar is looking to try to take some of the support among those that are looking for one of the more pragmatic candidates, if you would call him that. >> ali, what is behind elizabeth warren's talk of crystal wine caves and how is her campaign feeling this morning about her performance and being able to try to take it to pete buttigieg? >> reporter: hallie, we've seen elizabeth warren over the course of the last few weeks sort of beginning to go on attack, but with a larger strategy. the strategy is she's not attacking just for the sake of attacking. she's doing it to highlight a
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difference between herself and whoever is the target of her fire. last night that was pete buttigieg all in the larger scheme of focusing on anti-corruption, which is really the crux of the elizabeth warren message. we've seen her pushing it a little bit more on a campaign trial and trying to take it to her opponents on fundraising. that's where one of the pete buttigieg fundraisers that vaughn was just talking about last week. so that's clearly something that elizabeth warren had on her mind, but even one of sanders advisers was wearing a t-shirt about the wine cave. a lot of progressives were talking about it and trying to make an issue of where the fundraising money is coming from, but also for several other of the people on the stage. i also think look at what you deal with in washington every day. the big i word for you is impeachment. last night that was not the big word on the stage. instead, i would argue the i word was iowa, really indicative of candidates focusing on the early states and trying to
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change the minds of voters as he head in about less than 50 days. and frankly, there's a lot of uncertainty, because impeachment can the think that could take two of the core four at the top of the race, sanders and warren, it could take them out of the race and they can't go to iowa and new hampshire if they're trying the president in washington. >> you're entirely right. thanks, guys, appreciate you being out there. msnbc political analyst is on the east coast. she worked as as the director of progressive media for the clinton campaign. lits great to have you on. >> thanks for having me. >> new york times opinion columnists ranked who they thought did the best and worst. amy klobuchar had a lot of praise, joe biden up there, too. tom steyer, andrew yang trailing. >> i thought the women, i thought amy klobuchar and senator elizabeth warren did particularly well last night. i thought the whittled down field allowed them to really demonstrate the areas of contrast with the other
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candidates on the stage. additionally, i think it lalalld them to talk about some of the disparities in how we're assessing these candidates. i thought klobuchar did a good job talking about pete buttigieg's experience in a way that we all like to call minnesota nice, where it was essentially a passive aggressive hit on the fact that he has not accomplished much. and when he says that his net worth is not what somebody who is 77, 78 years old is, of course not. because he's my age. my net worth is not the same as somebody who is 75 years old. and of course it wouldn't be, hallie. >> you also thought not only did pete buttigieg not do well. you say people of color sort of came out on the wrong end of the stick. explain that. >> people of color are going to be the majority of the american electorate by the year 2045, according to pew research. and what that means, because people of color and women of color in particular are the most
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important section of the democratic electorate, they literally will tip the scales to the winner. those interests and candidates who represent that experience, them missing on a stage in this particular moment is a huge red flag for the democratic establishment as we head into the future. in the majority of the electorate is not represented on stage. and i'm not saying they did not speak to those issues, but you also would like to see women of color and people of color reflected. a woman who won twice in a state of 44 million people was not on the stage, but a man who won re-election with 8,000 votes was on the stage. that's the double standard we're talking about. >> quickly before i let you go, somebody who obviously has a lot of support from african-american voters is joe biden. he was on stage. didn't get a ton of speaking time. he actually ranked something like fifth as far as amounts that people had sort of their mouths open and their lips
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flapping. one moment that is picking up steam was his personal anecdote about connecting with voters on the trail. he talked about that and then got some heat for it. here's the moment. >> my wife and i have somewhere between 20 and 100 people that we call at least every week or month to tell them i'm here. i've given them my private phone number. the little kid who says i, i, i, i can't talk, what do i do. i have scores of these young women and men who i keep in contact with. >> former white house press secretary that i've interacted with a lot over at the white house made fun of the moment but then deleted the tweet and apologized saying she was not aware of biden's own struggles with stuttering and a speech impediment. i apologize and should have made my point respectfully. an interesting moment. >> you shouldn't make fun of anybody with a stutter. apologizing is g but she shouldn't have said it at all.
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i think you had to have intimate knowledge of the fact that joe biden has a stutter to understand what he was doing in the moment. so if you didn't read the article in the atlantic, they probably were a little bit confused by that moment. to make it clear, joe biden himself has a stutter, so he was essentially expressing that he could relate to that young boy's experience and i think his strength is his ability to connect and reach people on that empathy level, on that lane. and that's his strength. >> much appreciate it. thank you for being on the show. enjoy your friday. still ahead, we're turning back to the impeachment standoff with democratic congressman and we're also talking to one of the people who will be here, somebody who has called for impeachment for a while, tom steyer. we'll join me live after the break. first a setback for the test run of boeing's new star liner space. totally fine, went off without a hitch, but it didn't get on the
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new reporting this morning may explain why president trump has insisted ukraine might have interfered in the 2016 election. putin told me. that's what one former senior white house official says president trump said with the "washington post" reporting after meeting privately in july 2017 with russian president vladimir putin, president trump grew more insistent that ukraine worked to defeat him. that's according to multiple former officials familiar with his assertions. of course it was russia that enter feed in the 2016 election. i'm joined by ashley parker, msnbc political analyst. and ashley, that quote is interesting. putin told me after the g-7 a couple of years ago. what has the response been this morning to the reporting from your paper? >> well, i mean, the response has been that it's a great
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scoop, but it's also a stunning scoop. but it also confirms what people have long suspected and frankly, people inside the administration summit at least have longed worried about, which was that the president was being influenced by russia and by russian propaganda when it came to election interference, and that the president was a fairly easy mark, so to speak. this is someone who was sort of of open to conspiracy theories, open to things that reinforce his own view of the world, and so when you have russia and you have putin pushing to him that, hey, by the way, we didn't meddle to help you as your own intelligence community has told you, but in fact it was ukraine trying to help your opponent, that's an appealing thing for the president to believe. >> also this reporting is coming out and you have new reporting on the president's attitude toward impeachment. you know that i cover the white house every day, and what i've heard from sources is that the president is not happy.
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it is sort of seating but he understands this is a fight ahead. you frame it in a big picture view, and you write for a man consumed with his legacy and legitimacy, that 230-197 vote on abuse of power and the 229-98 vote are a stain that undermine both. it is impeachment and it is for life. it's historical and it's constitutional. talk to us more about what you're hearing. >> sure. i'm hearing the same thing you are in the sense that the president is angry, he is upset. at the end of the day, even if there may be some political benefit, which his aides are trying to reassure him there is, he did not want to be impeached. the way i tried to look at it, this was one of the rare striebistrie striking instances where president trump is actually being held accountable for his actions. and again, there may be a political upside. he very well will be acquitted by the senate. he could win again in 2020.
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but there is a scarlet i of impeachment attached to him. it will never go away. as i wrote, it is eternal and that is the thing that is gnawing at him. and as someone put it to me, will be on his mind and frustrating him long after just about everyone else has moved on. >> thank you for being on the show. appreciate it. as we talk 2020, not just president trump is hoping to make history by becoming the first president ever impeached and reelected. the democratic contenders hope to be the first ones ever to take on an impeached president and get elected. the debate last night highlighted some of the arguments with talk of crystal wine caves dominating. but one candidate is sitting back with this message to his opponents, it is all about the economy. tom steyer didn't get a ton of speaking time compared to the other candidates on stage. he did make his point known afterwards in the win room.
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watch. >> the question i'm focused on is we know how trump is going to run. he's going to run on the economy. i can discuss prosperity better than donald trump, he's a fake businessman. he's failed both places. >> tom steyer joins me now. it's great to have you back on the show. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> hallie, ru ho you? >> good. there's a little bit of a delay, but we'll make it work. it was hard for viewers to hear. you were talking about how you believe the president is basically faking it on the economy. your message is largely about the economy and specifically inequality. but if you look at the president's economic approval ratings, they are very strong. they actually just hit their highest level in a year. how do you actually convince the american people who are looking around and saying i feel like i've got a little more money in my pocket book and we're doing a little better. how do you say that's not real? >> well, i don't think it is real, because i think what this
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economy is doing -- we have very slow growth under mr. trump. we have a gigantic deficit. and the money that he is using to prop up the economy is going to rich people in big corporations. so in fact, we've had 40 years of working americans getting the short end of the stick. i think that there's no question, he looks at averages and talks about unemployment rates, but the averages mask the fact that all the money is going to the rich people and the unemployment rates mask the fact that people can't afford to live on the jobs that are available in this economy. so in fact, what we really need to look at is how the american people are doing and to look at mobility, hallie, the fact that people's lives aren't improving and it's very hard in this society, the way that it's run, for people to improve their lives and to move up in society. and that is something that strikes at the very heart of the american dream. >> so this is the message that you are hoping to take obviously all the way to the oval office,
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which is why you're running for president. but call a spade a spade here, you have a bit of an uphill climb. y let's talk about state polls. the electoral college is determined by state. in iowa and new hampshire you're seventh, you're sixth in nevada. 45 days until people start going to the polls in iowa and new hampshire. what is your path to the nomination? how are you going to bereak through given where you sit here? >> the polls that i'm looking at i'm between fifth and second in the four early primary states. >> we can debate which poll we want to look at. the averages here, specifically from the polling numbers that are out -- and again, that's fine if you think you are one of the top four contenders in iowa. it seems like some of the numbers don't bear that out so i
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just want to know what your path is. >> look, i think this is the path. everyone is going with a month before every election, people are going to say, oh, my goodness, we have to get down and make decisions. there are a huge number of people, two-thirds of people in those early states haven't made up their minds. and i think they're going to have to ask the question who can take on mr. trump on the economy and who can actually do the job once he or she is in. i think that this is a wide open race. i think that when people ask that question, they're going to realize that we're going to need someone who can go after mr. trump on the economy who has a lot of economic experience. not just talking about economic justice, which is absolutely critical, but also about growth and prosperity. and as a business person who built a business from scratch over 30 years, i can talk about prosperity. he can't say about me what he can say about the other people on the stage, which is the economy will crash because they
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don't understand what creates growth and what creates prosperity. i obviously do, and i can take him down on the economy and i think people are going to look and say we need that. that's absolutely critical for us to beat this guy next november. >> your message, of course, has been that, you're a businessman and you understand the economy and how to help people prosper. before you got into the race, one of the things that you talked about a lot was impeachment. you were an early sort of advocate for the impeachment of the president. you've been calling on that to happen for a couple of years now. do you worry that that gives oxygen to the republicans argument that the democrats have wanted impeachment since day one? >> hallie, this is the most corrupt president in american history. he started committing crimes his first day in office and he started obstructing justice his first day in office. in fact, people are talking as if the only thing he ever did was try and put himself ahead of the american people in terms of this ukraine incident.
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in fact, he's been putting himself ahead of the american people since the day he got in. he's been corrupt since the day he got in. so when people say i was calling for impeachment early, yeah, i was telling the truth when i was calling for impeachment. everybody in washington, d.c. wants to think about impeachment as a tactical political decision. eight and a half million people started the petition, the need to impeach, which says impeachment is about right and wrong. the united states is still a morel country where we stand up for what's right and we do the right thing. and that's what impeachment is about and that's why donald trump got impeached, because he's corrupt. because he doesn't live up to his word. he broke his oath of office. because he's been cheating the american people from day one. that's what impeachment is about. that's not something -- of course he's mad about it. he's mad because he got caught, not because he did bad things. >> 2020 democratic presidential candidate, tom steyer. thank you for joining us.
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apparently nowhere near an agreement. here's mcconnell's take on her strategy. >> i admit, i'm not sure what leverage there is in refraining from sending us something we do not want. other house democrats seem to be suggesting they would prefer never to transmit the articles. fine with me. >> joining me now, democratic congressman ro khanna of california. he sits on the oversight arms services. so is mitch mcconnell right? is nancy pelosi doing republicans a favor by holding off on sending the articles? >> nancy pelosi is just upholding the constitution. the constitution doesn't give mitch mcconnell the right to preside over the trial. it gives the chief justice that right. and the person who needs to be designing the rules and making the everyboidentiary rulings ar justice robert. it's really roberts who sets the rules for this.
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>> so you then support, obviously, speaker pelosi's decision to be holding off on sending the articles over? you don't see any potential unintended consequences there? >> i don't. i think all speaker pelosi is saying is have a fair trial. simply, if someone is called into court, the defendant doesn't get to work with the judge to write the rules. you want to have a fair hearing. what mcconnell is saying is have donald trump write the rules of the hearing. that makes so sense. what speaker pelosi is saying is have justice roberts come up with the rules, make them fair. and that's what the constitution requires. >> mitch mcconnell, it seemed, based on the republican sources that i talked to, had wanted -- publicly commenting, had wanted to start the senate trial as soon as lawmakers got back from the holiday. this now complicates that. it looks like that is not going to be the case. that may mess a little bit with the 2020 campaign trail, given the iowa caucus is a few weeks after that would start potentially.
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full disclosure, you are a co-chair for bernie sanders chain. are you concerned at all about the implications for 2020 if the senate trial is delayed? >> i'm not because this is such a grave matter, politics shouldn't come into the picture. what we ought to do is make sure we're having a fair trial so that the american people hear evidence. and we haven't heard yet from john bolton, who has had direct conversations with the president. we haven't heard from mick mulvaney. i don't understand why we wouldn't want full transparency. you know john bolton and mick mulvaney one day are going to tell their whole story to the american public. why not get it out now at the time of the impeachment trial? >> part of the -- what we don't know yet because the speaker has not sent over the articles, is who the house managers are going to be. basically the prosecutors on the democratic side for the senate trial. i'm not asking you to share private conversations, but is there a consensus building among who those individuals should be right now? >> i think there's a consensus that adamttee and the judiciary committee, and i
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would expect that many of them would be named as managers. >> i've got to ask you at this moment, you know i cover the white house in my day job over on the other end of pennsylvania avenue. president trump, as we were at the white house yesterday, and former democratic colleague of yours, jeff van drew, who is now a republican, here is what the president and congressman van drew had to say. >> jeff will be joining the republican party and we were very fortunate, he voted our way yesterday, as you probably know. >> i believe that this is just a better fit for me. you have my undying support. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> always. >> and by the way, same way. >> thank you. >> i'm endorsing him. okay? we're endorsing him. >> you think that will be damaging for democrats' messaging or no? >> i can't believe he said you have my undying support. i've never heard any person talk that way. we have a constitutional democracy. we don't take oaths of
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allegiance to the president. no, i don't think it's going to hurt. we only had two defections. when bill clinton was impeached, there were far more republicans who defected and i just think that the overwhelming caucus has voted to impeach and it's a credit to speaker pelosi that she had her caucus unified. >> i need to ask you about something else out today, too. this "washington post" report on former white house officials saying that they worry that russian president vladimir putin influenced the president's perspective on ukraine in 2016. he met with putin back in july of 2017. the line is putin told me is what one former official says that they heard the president say. do you think democrats will ever get answers to questions around this? are you concerned by that reporting and the way that the president has taken -- or has listened to vladimir putin? >> hallie, i'm appalled. here is what is so shocking. russia is not even a top ten economy anymore.
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my district in silicon valley has a higher gdp than russia and donald trump has elevated putin for no apparent reason on the world stage. it's mind-boggling. and he's trusting putin more than our own intelligence agencies. this is compromising our national security, and it's a total lack of understanding of russia's role in the world. >> congressman ro khanna from california, thank you for being back on the show. enjoy your holiday break. appreciate it. >> happy holidays, hallie. >> up next, the editor-in-chief of an influential evangelical magazine says president trump should be removed from office. the fallout new this morning from that scathing editorial, calling out president trump. but first, some holiday cheer as everybody heads to the airports over the next few days. some are lucky enough to get a visit from the pig spreading cheer to people in san francisco. introduced to america by our friends at nightly news, he's part of the airport's brigade that helps take away stress
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so president trump on twitter this morning is now raging against what he's calling a far left magazine after this major rift with some of his biggest supporters, evangelicals. the magazine is "christianity today," dropped the bomb releasing an editorial calling for the president's removal. it says, quote, we believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely dpleer a way the mueller investigation did not that president trump abused his authority for personal gain and destroyed his constitutional oath. none of the president's positives can -- "christianity today" is considered one of the leading voices. they took a similar position on bill clinton in 1998. let me bring in republican political consultant shermichael singleton. this is a community you know
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well. >> i do. >> it's getting a lot of reaction. >> including franklin graham, the son of billy graham who founded this magazine. franklin graham is rejecting this view. put this into perspective. it's kind of a big deal. >> it's a huge deal. i agree with the position they have taken. i think to be a conservative, to be a person of faith is more than policies. it's more than one's temperament. it's a way of live, a way of being. i don't think that's something that the president necessarily understands. however, for many evangelicals in my experience, from talking with them, and i even texted several pastors this morning preparing for the show. they pretty much said we see him merely as a means to an end. this is something that goes back to the 1980s when republicans began the process of investing heavily in republican organizations and trying to build up the groundswell, if you will, to support a more conservative potential jurist, who have more of a religionist
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view of the constitution. i think you're seeing a major shift of the days of the more liberal leaning supreme court to a far more conservative court that i think will last for arguably for the next 30 or 40 zbleers even mark galli, the editor-in-chief of "christianity today" acknowledged he doesn't think it will move the needle. when you look at white evangelical christians, his approval at 75%. does this make a difference on the ground? >> no, it doesn't. again, the way they view things prior to trump was that their beliefs and ideas of what america is supposed to look like, should look like under the idea of a sort of christian right-leaning nation was at risk, at jeopardy from those on the ideological left. while they may be concerned about trump personally, they see him as the vehicle, the tool to
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accomplish what they've been attempting to accomplish for 30, 35 years now. if he is the best person to achieve that goal, that's the mindset of these individuals. it's not necessarily about his personal characteristics. it's about can i utilize this mechanism to accomplish what i'm attempting to accomplish. i personally don't share that belief, but that's the mindset of those particularly in leadership positions. >> thanks for being with us. the iowa democratic party announced the host for their first ever global satellite caucuses. our own chris jansing talks about the first effort to increase voter turnout in iowa. s and you feel like this. aveeno® skin relief. get skin healthy™ i've always loved and i'm still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke
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time to get a look at what our sources are says. in ashtabula, ohio, a swing county, an interesting place to be posted up, dasha. what are you hearing. >> reporter: let me quickly tell you why ashtabula. voters say it's the economic decline that partly led to this county swinging from blue to pretty deep red in 2016. it's going to be important for both parties to watch howie vents in washington play with voters here.
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i want to tashow you what ray gruber had to say. >> i'd rather see us focusing on raising minimum wage, labor law reform. i'd rather see us focusing on what we took away from the affordable care act and putting it back in again. i'd like to see where all those thousands of people losing their rights from food stamps. impeachment is a process. the process is going to come, it's going to go. >> reporter: hallie, ray is a labor democrat. he does support impeachment, but he just worries it's taking too much oxygen out of the room. that's something we heard from democrats, republicans and independents here. the one bright spot at the end of this week, usmca trade deal passing with an overwhelming bipartisan majority. people are hopeful heading into the holidays. >> you know president trump will be talking about that on the campaign trail especially in
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places like ohio. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc live. right now more from my colleague chris jansing in new york. >> are you taking a couple days? >> no. i should mention i'll see all of you from west palm beach. i'm on mar-a-lago duty. i'm chris jansing in for craig melvin at mechanisnbc headquarters in new york. battle lines drawn. neither side is budges as mitch mcconnell squares off with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer over what that trial will look like. so, as they head home, how does this get done?


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