tv The Beat With Ari Melber MSNBC February 12, 2020 3:00pm-4:00pm PST
that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily." if it's wednesday, there is a whole new chuck todd cast ready to load. good evening with ari melber now. >> we have been developing how democrats say they're making progress, holding bill barr accountable. later, some major updates in this fluid 2020 primary. lots of important stories. we begin with the scandal rocking the white house. some are calling it the tuesday night massacre. tonight donald trump basically couldn't if he issing to improper intervention in the criminal case of his longest serving aide, roger stone. >> i want to thank the justice department for seeing this horrible thing. they saw the horribleness of a nine-year sentence for doing nothing. nine years for doing something nobody can even define what he did. >> that is a remarkable statement. this adds to the evidence of a confession by the president.
let me tell you exactly what we know about this story. donald trump publicly pushed to cut the prison time for his longest serving aide, roger stone. recall stone was the last person arrested in the mueller probe. he walked out of his house in hand cuffs. tried and convicted for lying to congress and tampering with witnesses. along the way he was repory mappeded for attacking a federal judge overseeing the case. notice something here. the very crimes mr. stone was condemned for and convicted of, obstruction, lying, tampering, these are the things donald trump is increasingly doing right out in the open. in fact, the president just attacked this judge in the stone case saying, that is the very could not dpukt almost got mr. stone thrown in jail during this trial. i want only the clear for all the references to mr. stone, this story, there scandal in america is larger than any single person or larger than debates over any sent sentence. stone faced a very stiff term
under sentencing guidelines. plenty of americans including him can face these strict extensions and they can certainly be legitimately debated. mr. stone's conviction along with his former consulting and lobbying partner paul manafort, you remember this. it was the highest profile convictions and legal victories which mueller detailed which also overlap with something that bob mueller, everybody remembers, fbi director, republican, detailed with a sledgehammer of evidence that donald trump himself obstructed justice. the entire point. independent special counsel. the reason it got so much coverage. the whole point is you set up with of those up to keep it entirely independent from the white house that it may have to investigate. which is what makes this such a scandal.
donald trump demanding lighter treatment and now bill barr's justice department following suit in such an unusual fashion. reversing the recommended prison term after the d omp jmp's own prosecutor submitted to the court. i can tell you, we report everything here. the doj is insissing that it was not responding to donald trump. it just did this. but people closest to this, they are thinking and showing otherwise. four prosecutors from that mueller probe case now withdrawing, one quitting outright. some saying has the tuesday night massacre. all of it breaking last night. it is a reference to president nixon's cutting the probe into the investigation on his white house. it was such a big deal when that happened. it blew up in real-time and they teach in it history and law schools have more. so imagine if four mueller prosecutors suddenly quit like the in the middle of the mueller probe. that would be a huge deal. but barr's entire confirmation
hearing, everything he said he would do turned on not letting that kind of they know happen. make saying under oath. which brings me to the time l n lien. it appears mr. barr has plabld these moves, past the impeachment trial in washington and delayed some of it all the way up to the back drop of this first 2020 primary and the news still sent shock waves across the nation. >> if moments ago, president trump congratulated the attorney general, bill barr, for intervening in the sentencing of the president's long time friend, political adviser, his confidante, roger stone. >> it signals to me there has been a political infestation of the office. >> it is a breakdown of the system that is like nothing i have ever seen in my career and nothing i am aware of historically. >> if you look at all the
effort. it is to not just smear the campaign. it is to erase it. >> erase what mueller did and what he prosecuted. what he convicted and what the consequences are. so keep that point in mind as it may apply to barr's effort to lighten the prison material for michael flynn. and the strange removal of the top d.c. prosecutor who would oversee both these cases. she was promise ad treasury department job that, oh, was just eliminated. all of a sudden, when? last night. so i'm reporting these facts to you to make a broader appointment. if you spend time with us on "the beat," i think you know where we're going. this is not just another trump administration scandal or another fight over certain tactics at the justice department. all the news was breaking last night. i was able to catch up with eric holder and i want to read to you his statement in fulfill he says they action is aberrant and inconsistent with the justice department acting in a traditional, nonpolitical way. he continues, it disalmosts the
career prosecutors. actions such as these put at risk the perceived and real neutral enforcement of our laws and ultimately endanger the fabric of our democracy. he continues in the statement, those involved in the decision must be called on to plane is their actions. this is a sad day for an episode constituti , annence constitution to which i owe so much. he doesn't speak out often. he's not alone. many aghast, outrage and concern. even trump's own allies who famously backed him in this recently resolved impeachment trial. they also feel the need to register disapproval. senators in the republican party saying trump should have stayed out of this. another noting it doesn't look right and reiterating the standard boundary that presidents should 97 comment on pending investigations. that also understates exactly
what trump is accused of doing. this is not about commenting. this is about credible evidence and allegations of abusing presidential power to enforce the laws, to undercut nonpartisan law itself. and it comes at a time when many are asking just how much more our democracy can withstand? for the story, we turn to our guests deep knowledge and the people in the story. we begin with paul butler and joyce vance. miss vance has a new piece out in "time" magazine that says if trump can turn the justice department into a political weapon n weapon no, one is safe. good evening. your views when you heard these four prosecutors stepped down and the wider issue. >> so president trump is using the justice department and bill barr is using the justice
department to punish the president's enemies, and to reward his friends. this is unprecedented. if i were one of those prosecutors, i would have quit, too. think about it. they're standing up. they've been in this courtroom over a year representing the united states of america. and then the sentence recommendation very carefully considered 7 to 9 years. a long time. but think about the crimes, the seven felony that's roger stone was convicted of. aggravating factors. it happened over a long period of time and he threatened wiflth he told one witness, get ready to die. so the seven to nine years was within the guidelines. the president says he doesn't like and it then the sentence reversed. this is the corrosion of the rule of law. the justice department is on life support. >> very strong words coming from you. i know care deeply about this.
joyce, this was obviously a time last night when many americans who follow news, civic life, had their eye on the first primary. take a look at how some of this is playing out. >> we're staying on these he two big stories. the resignation of four prosecutors now from the roger stone case as well as the primary results out of new hampshire. meanwhile, all of this is happening amidst some major developments with the trump justice department. call it a tuesday afternoon massacre. >> wee continue to talk about this story and we'll get around to the new hampshire primary tonight as well. >> joyce, i'm wondering if you can take us through your thoughts. you wrote about it. but many people had their eye understandably on the other story last night. >> amazing that any sort of a story could rival the primary in
new hampshire for air time. it is precisely the problem paul suggests. when you have a president who can use the criminal justice system on reward his friends and to punish his enemies, then they no longer have the constitutional system the founding fathers envisioned. after you a, their primary concern when they set up our form of government was getting away from having a king above the law. who could do whatever he wanted to do. they wanted the rights of citizens to be more important than the rights of kings. trump is taking us back to precisely the time of government the founding fathers wanted to us avoid having. >> and paul, the context here is the fact that while the mueller probe is technically over, its results, including the toughest results for some of these convicts is what they are now, are trying to be undercut or erased. look at the history here. i want to put up on the screen
up donald trump has been in office for fewer years than most of these other president who's had either had nobody he convicted. nixon hold as record you don't want to hold for the second material. going into year two, he had six people with charges or convictio convictions. what does it tell that you apparently mr. barr is going i know what trump's effort to try to tarnish, eliminate what remains a terrible record to hold. the highest number of convictions this fast of your own aides. >> it test us that barr is the attorney general of president trump's fantasies. he is his fixer. when we think about the egregious nature of these convictions now of roger stone, how unusual it is for a president to comment at all. you may remember during the travon martin case. president obama was consistently asked about it and he
consistently refused to comment on it while the case was pending. the difference here is that the roger stone case is all about donald trump. roger stone was convicted of like the protect the president. so as you noted at the onset, when the president comments, not just a casual comment. it is consistent with his pattern of intervening in investigations and cases. >> and you said pattern. that's the other piece of this. there are 90 plus offices on, the president has shown an interest in interviewing only those offices interested in him. you see right here, a meeting with jesse liu before nominating her as d.c.'s prosecutor thft article tracking you a of that. given that miss leu has been replaced, do you see it
suspicious they wanted to vet people? >> i think it hassle been suspicious. this is why doj has well established nor eed norps that attorney general by barr has taken a wrecking because to. when people at the justice department talk to the white house, if you work at justice, not only do you want to avoid actual impropriety. you want to avoid even the appearance of improper contact with the white house because of what that dwus the public's ability to have faith in the justice system. if the system looks rigged, who wants to comply with it? it is a horrible, slippery slope. what we're now looking at is the specter of actual impropriety of bill barr. may be he didn't actually have a conversation with the president. in some ways, i think it is far worse if what barr is doing is looking at a sentencing recommendation and thinking to himself, this won't make the
president happy. instead of doing this recommendation that comports with the law, that congress has established for sentencing, i'll going to take it upon myself to do a favor. >> and then everybody else in america gets a tough sentence unless you happen to be a donald trump friend or as roger stone convicted of, lying for donald trump. a thank you both. roger stone donald trump's longest serving adviser. someone who claimed to have a back chanel link to julian assange in 2016. much has changed since then. both assange and stone indicted. we mattered the prosecutors were most interested in stone. >> who did they ask most about in. >> roger stone.
>> you? >> roger and michael. >> he's not going to get away with witness tampering. he should shut up. >> i'm joined by the campaign aide and michelle goldberg. good to see both of you. sam? it looks like donald trump is trying to help roger. >> pleasantly surprised. i think he had no choice in lightest seven to nine-year recommendation. had they submitted it for 36 months, it may have not given the president a chance to reverse it. when you go into it, it looked like political document at the end. even arguing in case the president was going on pardon roger or commute his sentence. they go into explicit detail of
the crimes. >> why are you pleasantly surprised? >> when i entered into the investigation, i walked into aaron and the first thing he said, was who did roger stone work for? i felt roger was somebody they could have looked into. i haven't spoken to him since 2018. he's flat broke, failing health. with an underlying investigation, they found how conspiracy. >> hold on, hold on. i'm going to do questions. that's how it works. and you're get go your chance. many people who have wrapped up tough investigations can feel that way. don't you sue he something wrong
with mr. stone getting personal intervention because he's fwrenlds the president. >> i think it would have been better off had they not done anything. say this was so draconian. it looks like they were overly aggressive investigators. this is something 99.9% -- >> let me take that point to michelle. sam is outlining a situation where it might have gone by the ruse. if has the sentence, a president can do that. that's not what happened here. i think it is important to understand. >> you're not going on get an argument from me that prison sentences tend to be draconian.
he's given speeches lambasting progressive prosecutors. it is only a specific class of peach bill barr seeps to believe deserve any sort of mercy or leniency. i want to say, the idea of witness tampering. there are arguments that randy this wasn't threatened. i've over in him a long time. he's an anti-prison activist. i first met him when he was an activist. >> just for context, you're speaking about the individual that roger was convicted of threatening. >> right. so randy told me, he felt facial somebody was going to prison on his behalf and he was going to send this letter. that might speak well of randy but that has nothing 22nd the specific crimes roger stone committed. i have texts on my phone from randy talking about feeling threatened by roger stone's associates. if you want to say in the
abstract, this is too long of a sentence and nobody convicted of these crimes deserves a sentence like that, then fine. get aboard the criminal justice reform train. the idea that only people who not just have lied for donald trump. but might because of a sentence like this. they have some sort of incentive to reveal further crimes that donald trump has committed. so i don't think this is just about mercy. we don't know that this isn't part of a bigger cover-up. we heard again and again throughout impeachment, this ben frank len quote repeated endlessly. a republic if you can keep it. we are not keeping it. >> so what does this tell that you it is happening out in the open? >> i think donald trump has learned his lesson. that republicans have will given him complete impugnity. the rule of law is breaking down in this country. it would be familiar for anyone
who has lived in a country where democracy has given way to authoritarianism. they would recognize exactly what is happening here. >> does this show that donald trump is a hypocrite? >> how? >> he ran on law and order. let's be tough. the only people he's being tough on, he can't hand, it is all hypocrisy it is and not again, for someone who worked, it worked this republican campaign. among other things, it is not conservative. >> i think if you look at this in a vacuum. when you look at the totality of the circumstances, for seven to nine years, we haven't seen the results of anything the with the investigation. you're looking at me smiling.
i don't understand. >> i'm looking at youyears. the obstruction itself, even what was just said in the second memorandum, is 99.9% that people get for obstruction of justice. >> right. >> i have to fit in a break. we'll see how this all plays without the judge. as i would remind everyone in a republic, and i think michelle's warnings are important to be heard, in a republic, it will be the judge who has the final say on the sentence. not the prosecutors. coming up, we have a special guest on how bill barr is approaching all this. a former top prosecutor who ran the unit now investigating giuliani. and then a look ahead to what really matters when you can count up now actual delegates and dollars. later, michael bloomberg on the stop and frisk policy. and we have marq claxton.
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the hearing set for late next month. it will mark barr's first testimony for a house committee run by democrats. they've been pounding him about four prosecutors leaving the stone case in protest. and now asking doj's watch dog to investigate. >> as a result, i have formally requested that the inspector general of the justice department investigate this immediately. >> attorney general barr ought to be ashamed and embarrassed and resign as a result of this action directly interfering in the independent prosecution of roger stone. simply the latest in examples of political interference by the president. >> and that sort of watch dog probe could happen. remember, it helped lead to the exhaustive ig probe of the fbi's tactics investigating george p
papadopoulos. my one time boss, david kelly, good to see you. >> how are you? >> i'm great. people can understandably feel like a lot of stuff happens in this trump administration. how significant is what we're seeing at the justice department on this story? >> i think very significant. i think barr is going to end up saying nothing untoward happened. i had no conversation with the white house. but what you have is a problem of at the very least, a perception. fairness is the perceptionhere. you have someone clearly conflicted. meaning, trump is conflicted. there is a conflict of interest. expressing a view on a case and doing it publicly with the intent to influence the justice department. whether or not he did it, or didn't, the problem is there.
it is a problem of fairness. >> that can sound to some people a littl little lucy goosy. have you ever seen this. >>? no. i don't think so. >> they haven't told us what they're thinking. but the clear implication, not about sentencing, we heard roger stone's friend say it seemed harsh. wouldn't that have been worked out? >> it may not have been. if you go back and look at the original sentencing memo. it is on the sentencing guidelines. it was referred to as a cook book. you follow the guidelines. and it is pretty clear how apply. at the end of the day, the numbers add up. if you look at this, it is a no brainer. for someone to come in and say, we got your no brainer but we're going to do it differently.
we didn't know you were putting the no brainer version in. we're doing it differently. i think that would cause the conflict would cause these career prosecutors to resign. you have your old office investigating giuliani. i spoke to one of them. and amidst all this, bill barr is talking about taking that potential subject, or a person of interest. taking information from him going over the heads of the prosecutors. you and mr. giuliani ran. take listen to bill barr. >> we had established an intake process in the field. so that any information coming in about ukraine could be carefully scrutinized. that is true for all information that comes to the department relating to the ukraine, including anything mr. giuliani
might provide. >> is that the typical treatment of a subject? >> it could be. >> that's if someone is worried about being prosecuted. this is nuts, right? >> i get what the attorney general is saying. we won't preclude anybody from giving us information and he didn't want to kit off. but it's unusual, to be sure. >> it is insure and it gives again tim reply indication that somehow giuliani has some special status to go over the heads of the very prosecutors. >> if you look at the material out there about the biden allegations, a lot of folks are saying it is baseless, to track down information. it looks like he's getting special treatment. >> always appreciate your expertise. when we're back in 30 seconds, bernie sanders's big win and how to really count where this race is headed. t where this race is headed.
welcome back. we are only halfway through this edition of "the beat." you know the other big story is this democratic race now officially underway after the primary. we are moving from pre season to the real thing. that meanings we're getting to measure rabble results. on "the beat," we try to stay with the facts. here are the facts and what we now show. bernie sanders, winning new hampshire with 4,000 votes over pete buttigieg, amy klobuchar third at 20%. other candidates were running.
but as far as new hampshire is concerned, only those three matter because they're the only ones who won degs there. and that's why several are dropping out. andrew yang, duval patrick, all out. here is the measurement that will decide who is the nominee. buttigieg and sanders have now double the delegates. primaries are not about predictions. they're about who can are not a long campaign to went the most delegates and who has the cash to keep running such a long campaign. so it is important to count tim fundraising where the same two candidates are leading with warren in third. and doing well in these early states helps campaigns keep fundraising. to paraphrase jay cole, he know that it is difficult stacking the paper is sort of habitual. count it up, count it up, count
it up, count it. joining me to discuss thought is former governor howard dean who ran for president in 2004 and came in with 167 delegates. there you see him on the campaign trail. and michael hop denies who worked john delaney's 2020 campaign before he dropped out and is a veteran of the clinton campaign. good evening to both of you. >> thanks. >> gov dean, count it up, delegates and cash. are those most important things? >> those are the most important things. specially going into super tuesday. >> go on. your analysis. >> basically, we don't know. it is too early. i would say there are six tickets heading including bloomberg into south carolina, nevada. it will be a smaller list by the time it gets to california. a little too early to count out joe biden or elizabeth warren but they have to do well in the next two primaries.
>> what do you see in this delegate formation? other tickets out of new hampshire are exciting, most folks didn't get degs there. >> well, delegates are the only way to secure a nomination. money is paramount in this situation. so what we'll see is the less money candidates have, the more candidates will drop out. and this field is quickly dwinling. that's why we're seeing mayor pete and senator sanders taking over the front-runner status. >> and senator sanders in the lead has galvanized a lot of discussions. i was out on the trail where he had big crowds, disaster other candidates. and we were talking to the new hampshire governor. several saying they were down to a few candidates and could go in any direction. take a listen to this. >> i voted for bernie.
the reason was msnbc. >> go on. >> i think it is completely cynical to say that he's lost 50% of his vote from the last time when there were two candidates. but the kind of the stop bernie cynicism that i heard from a number of people, i watch msnbc constantly. so i heard that from a number of commentators. that just made me angry enough. i said okay, bernie has my vote. >> i'm interested to ask but this. you also ran an insurgent campaign. whether one looks at the media or washington or the quote/unquote establishment in general. what do you think of the point from that voter and that's true efforts to sort of tamp down senator sanders can go to his benefit? >> well, they can. look, bernie is a polarizing figure. he has been all his career. he's used to it his advantage.
it is why he's been elected to very large margins to the senate and the house in vermont. so we don't know what will happen. i wouldn't make any predictions. it's true that he has two more delegates. it is irrelevant at this point. we've had two states out of 48. this is just beginning to form. all this talk about who will be the front-runner. we'll know a lot more after super tuesday. we'll know more about who is leaving the race. it probably won't be bernie or buttigieg. >> i'm curious given your experience. you ran. there was great enthusiasm. you did finish third, as i mentioned. there was a feeling that after falling behind in the first few states, it can be very hard to come back.
are you it doesn't matter as much when there are all these candidates? >> well, no. look, we lost principally because for two reasons. first, we were not as well organized as we needed to be. i said what i thought which was not always an asset. the other reason which was a pretty big problem, as we get closser to actually casting votes, people got nervous about whether i could beat george bush. that's why they chose what they thought was a safe bet, john kerry. it is hard to make prediction this is early. >> we try to focus on the facts and you can't get ahead of the facts and they're in limited
supply. he does allude to something we hear about more nowadays, who is more electable? i think the governor is right that many folks made a calculations that somehow senator kerry might be more electable. of course, he didn't win either. >> i would say people care less about policies than who can beat president trump. one of the problem bernie sanders will run into, even if people think he can win and beat president trump, they'll be worried about the effects' down ticket. >> i didn't hear anyone say, gosh. let me calculate how this will affect a house race. i did hear about the policy. >> a lot of moderate democrats worried, even if sanders is the nominee, that democrats will vote for sanders because they're sick and tired of donald trump but they won't down ticket as a
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explained the policy of black and brown. >> he got it wrong. >> bloomberg is on the defensive after a bernie supporter posted audio from a speech that bloomberg gave in 2015 of the. >> you can just take the description of the. >> he's a light weight. a light weight. >> it was five years ago. ett doesn't reflect what i do he have day. >> joining me, his tenure overhappened with bloomberg's time as mayor. >> thank you for joining me on this. their you care about both policing and safety as well as civil rights. before we get deep into bloomberg, what was stop and frisk? in your view, was there anything wrong with it?
>> the practice by the nypd became more of an expansion of search and seizure. the problem that nypd had historically, the stop and frisk program, those initiatives became race based and targeted communities of color. the numbers and the statistics they used that they considered to be positive statistics, by that, i mean the number of arrests and summons issued, bail their justification to use the race based enforcement. that has resulted in just the generational dismannihuntling. >> when it as i discussed with his campaign manager, they continued to defend it. he left office and defended it. i'll play for you torsion give people a sense of this.
basically this is at the naval academy in 2019. he says, look, we focused kids on keeping kids from going through the correctional system, the result was the murder rate in new york city dropped by 350 murders. that seems like a pretty strong defense. what do you think of him saying, no, he was wrong. >> first it is important to realize, michael bloomberg has not issued an apology. what he has done is express regret that he didn't tamp down on the tactics. that he didn't slow down the racial profiling. he hasn't issued an apology about conducting racial profiling or race based enforcement. it is important to remember, during the bloomberg administration, he followed giuliani and all of that nonsense. during the blook bloomberg administration, they changed
from denying they were using race based enforcement to justifying it. the comments that you're hearing now from michael bloomberg are justifications for race based enforcement. not an apology. not a regret. those statements continue. >> yeah. donald trump of all people has taken up this issue. >> when it comes to stop and frisk, you're talking about taking guns away. it was continued by mayor bloomberg and it was continued by the current mayor. hit a tremendous impact on the safety of new york city. tremendous beyond belief. >> that's one high profile appearance with hillary clinton. wrapping his arms around the stop and frisk. so i'm curious about where you think this is headed. in the shadow of a presidential
campaign. donald trump tweeted and then deleted an attacks. i'm curious, given your view of all that angle. >> my familiarity with their beliefs about law enforcement, and practicing that philosophy, there are some stark similarities they have. that's what cause as great deal of concern. >> you see similarities, you see similarities between trump and bloomberg? explain. >> for example, thoets individuals, those young men accused of rape in the central park case where donald trump took out a full page ad in the newspapers in new york, years later, mime bloomberg refused to settle the case out when the young men were found not to be involved in that case.
so there are similarities and concerns, more so about, the policies and their beliefs and their philosophies about law enforcement. and whether or not there are justifications for race-based law enforcement. otherwise known as racial profiling of will. >> you say that and there is so much talk and we're gearing up for campaign season. you obviously walked the walk. i rely on you in these issues. really interesting to get you on these issues. >> thank you. >> we'll fit in a quick break. when we come back, brand new comments we're about to air for the first fryman trmp's ousted ambassador to ukraine. she's breaking her silence for the first time. i'm going to play it for you right here on "the beat." later, a little selection of highlights we heard on the campaign trail in new hampshire. campaign trail in new hampshire.
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tonight, we've been reporting on the evidence of donald trump undermining the justice department's independence. others are also noting that there are problems in a different and important institution, the department of state. in fact, impeachment witness and former ambassador of ukraine marie yovanovitch spoke about this at harvard university. >> we need a vigorous department of state. right now state department is in trouble. senior leaders lack policy
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we've been reporting from new hampshire all week. thanks to all the viewers for coming out to talking to us. and michael moore, what he said, interestingly, about michael bloomberg's campaign. >> mike bloomberg was the republican mayor of new york city, ran as a republican, gave that speech at madison square garden at the republican convention, endorsing george w. bush, had a stop and frisk program, which i should keep bloomberg's poll numbers with african-americans and latinos down around mayor pete's numbers. >> the entire interview is up online. go to our instagram, facebook @the beat with ari and some of our behind the scenes
stuff we haven't aired on the show. hope you can check it out. right now it's "hard ball with chris matthews." trumping justice. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews, back in washington. the president's campaign of revenge continues with major new developments at the justice department. president trump today is praising attorney general bill barr for intervening in the criminal case of his long-time friend and political adviser, roger stone. in a stunning move yesterday, barr's justice department overruled its own prosecutors to recommend a more lenient sentence for
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