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moved to the riker's island infirmary unit where he awaits sentencing next week in manhattan. we will stay on that story but we are out of time tonight. that does it for me, i'll see you back here tomorrow night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. keep it right here on msnbc. ♪ good evening i'm steve kornacki in new york. and the race for the democratic presidential nomination is now effectively a face-off between former vice president joe biden and vermont senator bernie sanders. earlier today, senator elizabeth warren suspended her campaign after a disappointing performance on super tuesday. he failed to win a single state, that includes her home state of massachusetts. warren addressed reporters with some supporters in the background after informing her staff of her decision.
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>> i was told at the beginning of this whole undertaking that there are two lanes, a progressive lane that bernie sanders is the incumbent for and a moderate lane that joe biden is the incumbent for and there's no room for anyone else in this. i thought that wasn't right, but evidently i wasn't wrong. >> will you be making an endorsment today? i know you spoke with joe biden and bernie sanders yesterday. >> not today. not today. i need some space around this and i want to take a little time to think a little more. >> after declining to endorse biden or sanders at this time, warren was asked if she had any advice for women who supported her but are now forced with a choice between two men. >> i wonder what your message is to the women and girls who feel like we're left with two white men to decide between. >> one of the hardest parts of
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this is all those promises and all those little girls who are going to have to wait four more years. that's going to be hard. >> both biden and sanders spoke with warren by phone yesterday before her decision to drop out. in the fight to win over her supporters, it is already under way. in a tweet biden praised warren called her the fiercest of fighters for the middle class fames adding we needed her voice in this race and still need her voice in the senate. sanders made a direct suppoplea her supporters. >> senator warren has made it clear that we have a corrupt political system in which billionaires are buying elections. and what you're seeing is wall street opening up its checkbook to joe biden. today i would simply say to her supporters out there, of whom there are millions, we are opening the door to you.
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we love you to come on board. together, i think we can win this primary process. >> and i'm joined by congressman val demings of florida. she endorsed joe biden today. congresswoman thank you for joining us. you're with joe biden, elizabeth warren is out of the race, her supporters are up for grabs, what's the pitch from the biden standpoint? you heard elizabeth warren talking about lanes there, progressive and moderate. you have warren supporting medicare for all, sanders supporting medicare for all. your guy biden on the other side. so what's the pitch, why should they join bidens campaign? >> steve, it's good to be with you. look, it was basically a bitter moment to watch senator warren leave the campaign. i know -- i know her. i've seen the work that she's done. and i heard the conversation earlier about, you know, when will america elect a woman.
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however, i believe that if every person in the race would remember that they're working not for themselves but for the american people, people who have to go to work every day, people who struggle every day, and i do believe that you can do that. i do believe you can find that middle lane to get things done for the american people and you can do it without demonizing people who don't have to go to work every day. in this chaotic time, disruptive time in america's history right now with the current president, we need somebody who is going to unify this country. we need somebody who's going to unify the democratic party. and i just happen to believe that joe biden is the right person, right time. >> what would you say on the issues though. you're making a case about unity, going after donald trump, but what would you say on the issues because there were some clear issues there, i mentioned medicare for all, where there's
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a significant difference between where bernie sanders is and where joe biden is. when you look on paper, that's -- warren is where sanders is. >> you know, steve, when i was sworn into congress in 2017, i thought maybe my -- the first item on my agenda would be protecting our teachers and public education or public safety, criminal justice reform. but it ended up being working hard to save obamacare. so i just believe. i think what senator sanders and what vice president biden want is for every american to have access to health care. i believe quite frankly that we should build on the work that has already been done by vice president biden in the obama administration to expand and improve the affordable care act. but the bottom line is, i think both candidates agree, that every person living in the greatest country in the world,
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that's what we say, should have access to health care. let's figure out a way to make that happen. >> before warren dropped out today, sanders and biden were already treating this as a two-person race and stepping up their attacks on each other. >> what is important for us is the contrast of our record, our vision for the future. joe biden voted for the war in iraq. >> this is a guy who voted against the brady bill five times. >> joe voted for the wall street bailout, i was disgusted by that bail out. >> i'm the guy that helped bail out the automobile industry, what did you do old wud dbuddy, on. >> you're talking to a candidate who took on the entire cooperate establishment, the entire political establishment. >> you got beat from overwhelming support i had from the african-american community because of suburban women,
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you've raised a lot more money than i have, bernie. >> i'm curious, how did it come to this, this gigantic field we were talking about last year, the most diverse field in history, it ends up being 77-year-old joe biden versus 78-year-old bernie sanders. what's going on in the democratic party that produced this? >> steve, i think the great thing that happened during this cycle was that finally america got to see the diversity that really kpefexemplifies what ame looks like, what we celebrate in america. you're right, now we're down to two these candidates. i believe the american people in this government of the people, by the people and for the people, the american people have spoken. they spoke in south carolina, i think loudly and clearly, they spoke on super tuesday loudly and clearly, and i think that the good spirited debate that we will see between the vice
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president and senator sanders about the issues, they both will defend their records. what i know, and my husband likes to say the best indicator of future performance is to look at past performance. when i look at vice president biden's record, he's been there through some of the toughest tim times fighting for things the american people cared about and when it was not popular to have those fights. so i look forward to the primary in florida on march 19th. we need to get this done because we definitely need a new president in the white house. >> congresswoman val demings from florida again support vice president joe biden. thank you for joining us. appreciate that. meanwhile, bernie sanders has made his ability to bring in new voters a central argument for why he should get the nomination. but as the "new york times" points out, quote, in state after state there's been little evidence he generated higher turnout among young voters. it may be mr. biden
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accomplishing voter turnout. lifted by his strong support among african-american voters. my colleague, rachel maddow asked sanders about this last night. >> what's going wrong with your campaign in the south and black voters? in california you're outpaced by joe biden among black voters. >> we're winning among people of color -- >> let's talk about black voters. you knew it was a problem in 2016, might have cost you the nomination then. it hasn't gotten better. >> we're running against somebody who touted his relationship with barack obama for eight years. barack obama is enormously popular in this country in general and the african-american community. >> and nbc reported today that, quote, bernie sanders is canceling a friday speech in mississippi to campaign in michigan. a sign the campaign is shifting focus after a poor showing in
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the south. i'm joined by the co-share of the sanders campaign. thank you for joining us. shifting attention from mississippi. in alabama it was 53-16, biden over sanders. and in michigan, where bernie sanders won over hillary clinton in 2016, given what happened on tuesday, your campaign is going to be behind in the delegate count looking at losses in southern states like mississippi. is michigan must win next week for bernie sanders? >> no, it's not. we're going to be about 20 to 30 delegates behind once california is counted. that's extraordinary. no one gave bernie sanders a chance when this race started. we're neck and neck, it's a two person race now with vice president joe biden. i think what's going to be determinative is their debate. the country is going to see vice president biden and senator sanders lay out two different visions for the future of the party. and that's i think what's going
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to make the biggest difference. >> i asked congresswoman demings, make the pitch for the warren voters up for grabs. from her standpoint she got at the idea of pragmatism, electability, uniting the party. what's your pitch, sanders supporter, how do you get them on board? >> elizabeth warren is an intellectual giant. she needs a huge role in any future administration or future progressive movement. i would say look not at the personalities but the platform. senator sanders and warren are both for medicare for all, free public college, saving student loan debt, they're both for child care. we were influenced in my ways by senator warrens proposals and we'll adopt those and i think
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policy is what should drive the decisions. >> we played the clip with rachel maddow talking to bernie sanders last night. when you look back at 2016, bernie sanders was getting blown out among black voters, a quarter of the democratic party, he was getting in the mid teens in 2016, he had four years to try to build more support and he's getting in the mid teens again. is that a problem ultimately that's going to keep him from getting the nomination? can you win the democratic nomination if you can only get 15% of the black voters? >> black voters are the more important constituency in the democratic party not just the numbers but because of the morals. we need to do better. we need to meet with more leaders, more leaders in congress and the civil rights community, in the church communities, more of the journalists and listen and hear what we can do better.
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that's something the senator and all of us are committed to doing. that said i believe the senator is right, joe biden has a decades long relationship with this community. he was the vice president for the most popular recent democrat in american history and he's formidable. the way we know this, other candidates weren't coming close to him in the african-american vote. i don't think there's anyone in the field that could have given him a run with that group of voters. >> congressman roe, thank you for joining us. >> appreciate it. >> joined by katy glick. and gabe bendeti. row just said that michigan is not must win for the sanders campaign. talk about when you look at the landscape and what michigan means to sanders next week. >> michigan is really a symbol for the bernie sanders campaign and has been since 2016 when it was the state that really convinced sanders with his win
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over hillary clinton he could do this and fight to the convention and potentially win at the time. his win, of course, then was a surprise and they're hoping to pull something off that's similar this time. i think it's significant to see he decided not to give a speech in mississippi, a speech people in his campaign was going to be important two or three days ago. i remember in 2016, traveling with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, that night it's true that bernie sanders won michigan but hillary clinton won mississippi by quite a bit that night. so you heard the campaign arguing we're ahead super tuesday for delegates. that's not the case now after the 72 hours -- or 96 hours that we've seen now. the fact of the matter is, they understand the symbolic import of michigan nationally. in terms of of a general election and a primary, it's a state that went to donald trump last time, and also it's a very
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diverse state. and bernie sanders said he's the person to best represent that community. that's also been central to joe biden's entire appeal here. so there's a reason that they're focussing on this so much. they may say it's not must win, of course they'll probably win a lot of delegates in washington next weekend. but there's a reason bernie sanders is adding events there. >> you get blown out in mississippi even if you win michigan but just narrowly you fall behind in the delegate race. elizabeth warren we're talking about her supporters. there's a pole saying it's basically a split on who her supporters go for, but if she weighed in perhaps that would change. what's she going to do? >> she has a couple options, she could endorse joe biden, bernie sanders, she could decide like a number of other colleagues to take a step back and not do anything. what's notable about that poll,
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something i was hearing today, it is not a given that despite the similarities between elizabeth warren and bernie sanders that warn's supporters all the m automatically go to bernie sanders. a lot of her supporters are white educated college women, they liked elizabeth warren for a lot of reasons not just driven by ideology. i was speaking with progressives who said it's going to be a fight for these supporters and both biden and sanders have a fight for this. >> we have a set of primaries on the 10th and then the 17th, and a debate. one on one, sanders and biden different dynamic. you don't disappear for ten minutes. what's it going to be like. >> sanders people are saying over and over, this is reminiscent of 2016, they're saying the race is reset, this is when voters tune in on a one on one deep ideological fight that's going to break out on
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stage likely here. this is going to happen in phoenix, arizona is another state that's going to be very important here symbolically as well as in terms of the delegate haul. another state that's very diverse. bernie sanders said for all the talk how he hasn't been able to expand his base that he has expanded quite a bit with latino voters in particular. so i would look at arizona in addition to florida, illinois, a lot of these states but there's no doubt the next debate, the smallest debate until now was five or six people, this is going to be one on one. the purest distillation of the ideological fight that the democratic party has been having the last three years on stage for two hours. >> the candidates go from ten minutes of time to two hours of time. thank you both for joining us. coming up, more than once president trump has claimed to know more about coronavirus than health experts. we're going to talk about the danger of ms. information. plus, now that joe biden is
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welcome back. concerns about the coronavirus outbreak caused more major losses on wall street today. stocks fell more than 3% amid news that the virus and its effects on the global economy are showing no sign of slowing. around the world nearly 300 million students are out of school now because of the virus. south africa confirmed its first case today, bringing the total number of countries affected to almost 90. here in the united states where there are more than 200 cases, california declared a statewide emergency joining washington
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state, florida and hawaii in doing so. the death toll in the united states stands at 12 with a new death reported in washington state. meanwhile, president trump was again praising himself and criticizing his successor, barack obama, quote, gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the coronavirus situation. the 2009-2010 swine flu where nearly 13,000 people died in the u.s. was poorly handled. who was the president then. on fox trump was asked about the long term impact of the coronavirus on the economy and his re-election. here's what he said. >> i think people are viewing us as having done a very good job. we have to do a very professional job. nobody is blaming us for the virus. nobody. >> and joining me now is kathleen sabilia who served as secretary of health and human services under president obama. thank you for joining us.
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i just read the tweet. you see what the president is saying about what happened under your administration's watch when it came to the swine flu outbreak. if i can just get your response to that? >> well, i am just baffled as to why we have a president who thinks, first of all, everything is all about him. the chief job of president of the united states is the safety and security of the american public. and president trump seems to not understand that role. no question the outbreak of h1n1 the so-called swine flu early in the obama administration was a very serious issue. new virus, no vaccine, young administration. president obama had been there for a couple of months. the outbreak was in north america, started in mexico. we ended up with what cdc estimates now were about 65
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million americans who were infe infected. and president trump is correct, over 12,000 people died, which is 100 times lower than the world-wide death rate of this disease. so i would say the administration did a very good job in very trying circumstances. but this is serious. and this is about telling the american public the truth. telling them when they can expect a vaccine, how serious this might be. i'm really alarmed, steve, by what i saw president trump do, which is to take on a verbal battle with the world health organization. suggesting somehow that they're making up numbers about fatality rates. what we know is that h1n1 in 2009, 2010 was much less violent than it could have been, much
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less lethal. less lethal than the average flu, which is good news. this virus seems to be significantly more lethal. to try to downplay that so people don't take it seriously, to try to suggest that people should go to work even if the they're not seriously ill, that it doesn't matter, is really dangerous to communities across america. we're lucky that the virus started halfway across the globe. we've had literally a couple of months to prepare. we're still catching up with test kits and trying to figure out testing protocol, but hopefully the white house will stop talking and let the scientists tell the american public what they know and what they don't know. >> i'm curious, too. you've been through this, as you're describing here, a decade ago with h1n1. based on what you're seeing around the world, here in the united states, based on what you know about how the outbreaks go,
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the vaccine process, how widespread does this have the potentially realistically to be within the next few weeks, next few months? >> well, i think again, i listen to experts like dr. tony fauci, who i know well. who said this is a very efficient virus, which means it spreads very easily. so crowds are not a good place to be. groups of people where the virus could be traveling around, and i think what's really important is to make sure the cdc has the resources and the bandwidth to update their website regularly. the people understand where the outbreak is occurring. i was really pleased to see congress step up in a very bipartisan fashion and figure out a package of resources, a lot of them will go to local and
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state public health departments. they'll be on the forefront. a lot of them will go into preparedness to make sure that we begin to refill the stock pile of masks and ventilators that hospitals can do surge capacity that people are prepared and what's likely to happen is that as the summer months get hotter, the flu will die down and so the virus is likely to get less serious because there won't be a lot of underlying sickness. but in the fall, it is likely to come roaring back. and if we miss these steps along the way. if we don't take this seriously, if we don't work on containment right now, we could be in for a very long and very deadly period. >> thank you, appreciate the time. >> sure. still ahead, with super tuesday in the rear view mirror
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i've been watching this campaign play out and there's been sources of inspiration in a variety of candidates, but as we go into michigan's election on tuesday, i'm going to be voting
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for joe biden. >> welcome back. the world, they say, is full of surprises. let me show you one of them. it's this. it's joe biden leading right now after super tuesday in the delegate count. the overall delegate count over bernie sanders. i should note there are still delegates being added up, being allocated from symptome of the states, particularly california but not just california. so these numbers are going to go up. but when the dust settles when the delegates are counted it is going to be biden leading sanders. big surprise obviously because the expectation, especially with california and where biden was in the polls like a week ago was that sanders was going to be ahead, 150, 200, 300 delegates something like that and the question would be did he have an insurmountable lead. now the question is does biden have an opportunity next week to
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take this small delegate lead and build it into something too big for sanders to catch. with that question in mind. let's look at next tuesday, march 10th, the next set of primaries here. a couple things to look at here. number one, small state, right, delegate wise. mississippi is a small state. we've been seeing bernie sanders get clobbered in the south. it looks like 2016 when bernie sanders couldn't get out of the mid teens among black voters. this looks like a biden route where biden could get the vast majority of those 36 delegates. we talked about michigan, the biggest prize next week a lot of importance to the question of who wins michigan. from a delegate standpoint even if sanders wins by a small margin he would not make up for the delegate hit he's likely to
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take in mississippi. but sanders obviously is gunning for a big win in michigan. it would tell people the campaign is still certainly alive. we'll see what happens in michigan. i can note there was a poll earlier this week, taken a day or two after south carolina. it did have biden leading in michigan by seven points. there is also missouri, a poll just out today in missouri. this is a state where the margin was razor thin clinton/sanders in 2016. the poll today said biden by 4. keep an eye on missouri. there's a question about that rural white support that sanders had in 2016 against hillary clinton. was it more anti-clinton than pro-sanders? we'll get a sense of that answer when the missouri vote comes in. north dakota, switching to a primary this year. a firehouse primary. means the hours are a little bit -- it's like the republican caucuses in iowa where the party runs it and they show up at sort of tighter hours, but we'll see
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what happens in north dakota. idaho could be promising for sanders as well. this is the biggest variable next week. washington state. let me tell you this, in 2016, washington state had caucuses. in the caucuses, sanders document na dominated the vote. if you're looking at the 2016 results from washington, you're saying bernie sanders is going to get most of the delegates but keep in mind washington switched from a caucus to a primary. primaries are bigger, they're broader, i don't play to sanders' strength. on a separate date in 2016 after the caucuses, they put the candidates, clinton and sanders on the primary ballot, half a million people voted and hillary clinton won the primary, 53/47. that is the difference. that can be the difference between a caucus and a primary.
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so keep that in mind. it's a very big variable this coming week. you have these questions here, when you get to washington state, something that was very strong from a delegate standpoint for sanders in 2016, something he needs strong this year, that switched from caucus to primary. let's see that in the results on tuesday night. let's see what it looks like then, compare it to 2016. anyway, much more of this over the next few days. i didn't get to the 17 states. i'd love to get to april, do new york, maryland, let's do june next time but we can't. back right after this. e but we t back right after this. i can save you... lots of money with liberty mutual! we customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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♪ welcome back. the president is turning his attention back to joe biden after biden's stunning comeback this week. trump may have good reason given the coalition of voters who biden turned out on super tuesday as "the washington post" points out, quote, the results hark back to the 2018 midterm
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elections in which democrats won back the house by capitalizing on disdain from trump among moderate and suburban voters along with high turnout from members of the democratic base. now the president is making clear he'll resort to the same allegations against biden that led to his impeachment last year. he intends to make biden an issue who sat on the board of the gas company burisma. >> it has to be a campaign issue, do you plan to use it? >> it's not a campaign issue for the democrats they were obviously told you can't bring that up. if you look at joe, they're against joe, they don't want to bring that up, that was off bounds. that will be a major issue in the campaign, i will bring that up all the time because i don't see any way out. >> and here's what biden said on the "today" show when asked
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about the attacks he can anticipate from the president. >> we know he's obviously hoping there's more investigation of your son, of burisma the emergency company that he served the board on. do you think as your political fortunes rise they're coming after you more? >> of course. there's nothing there there. look, donald trump has corrupted the soul of this country, he's pummelled the middle class, he's embraced dictators and poked his thumb in the eye of our allies. donald trump is a disaster and he knows it and he knows i'll be able to point it out. i can hardly, hardly wait to debate him. >> the ukraine government ultimately declined to do the investigation that president trump pushed for. senators on the homeland committee are moving forward with an investigation of their own. today however a key republican on the committee appeared to oppose the investigation calling it political. here's utah senator, mitt
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romney. >> are you concerned about the appearance? >> there's no question but that the appearance of looking into burisma and hunter biden appears political. and i think people are tired of these kind of political investigations. we also have a lot of work to do on matters that are not related to burisma. we probably ought to focus on those things. >> nowed with president trump g the fight to biden's backyard, scranton. that's coming up next. scranton that's coming up next. (burke) at farmers insurance, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a "gold medal grizzly." (sports announcer) what an unlikely field in this final heat.
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welcome back. president trump was tonight in the city where joe biden was born. scranton, pennsylvania. trump was there to participate in a fox news town hall. among other things trump said the ukraine scandal and his impeachment over it has actually hurt biden. >> i think that biden has been damaged, yeah. i saw a couple of statements, strong statements by respected people in your world saying they aimed at trump and they took biden down. >> for more i'm joined by zerlina maxwell, david frum, and annie carney. zerlina, what i think trump might be saying there, there was some talk about this i think during iowa and new hampshire and nevada where joe biden seemed to be falling flat on his face, the democrats were looking
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at the conversation around ukraine saying let's not go down this road in the fall. but looking at biden, post nevada do you think there was anything to it at all? >> i think people were trying to figure it out, so that could have been one of the factors, but i don't know that it was. i think the whole impeachment trial it was complicated and long, but i think what people took away was the president did something wrong. when you have somebody in your own party voting to convict, that sends a message that something wrong happened here and it happened to be related to ukraine. so i don't think that joe biden fell because of that. i think it was actually -- it had more to do with his poor performance up until very recently. i think, you know, there's two things joe biden can do in this moment. one, sufficiently explain what happened with burisma, without any defensiveness, do what i think hillary clinton -- you know, i just saw the new hillary
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documentary she talks about the email scandal and response, she admits she could have handled that differently. now biden has the opportunity because i think this is in line with the email story, this is to muddy him up. the other thing he can do is say i haven't been impeached because that is an argument that i think is pretty persuasive. it's coming rich from an impeached president that i'm the corrupt one, if they're both on the stage, i'm not the one that's been impeached here. that's a good argument. >> biden and his campaign are putting out the ideas of democratic voters of electability. sanders could be a risk. when you size up, though, biden versus trump, trump sees an opportunity on ukraine, on burisma, other folks said it's biden's performance on the campaign trail. what are the vulnerabilities you see from biden versus trump? >> throughout the impeachment,
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sometimes depending on what poll you looked at, always a majority in favor of impeaching the president and removing the president, it was popular. but the president's approval numbers went up a little bit, maybe that's statistical noise but maybe what it also is, there may be some shy trump supporters out there, people who may be sympathetic to the president, but live in neighborhoods where they're not. so they may say yeah, i support him, where they might have said mumb mumble, mumble at a different time. that's pre-coronavirus right now we have a major world event going on, the presidential's handling of it is unsteady. it may turn out to have terrible world consequences for americans. and i think his approval numbers will be what they are. >> here's what the president said in this town hall going on tonight. he was asked about whether he would rather run against biden
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or sanders? >> i was set for bernie, mentally i'm set for bernie, communist, i had everything down, he's a communist. i was all set. and we have this crazy thing that happened, right? so now i'm ready for bernie and now all of a sudden i have a whole different -- you know, it's a whole different deal, two very different people. i think in a certain way bernie would be tougher. >> annie carney, if it looks likelier that he's facing biden, there might be political logic in saying sanders was actually the tougher one. i'm curious, what is the thinking behind the scenes at the white house and how they size up these candidates. does it match the conventional take you hear that sanders is the more risky one or was there some other thinking going on there? what is the sense of how the opponents would stack up against trump around the president?
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>> i'll answer that question in one second. i'll just say that version of trump who's playing commentator on the democratic race is one of his favorite modes. we saw him try to switch into that mode at a coronavirus meeting when he asked the reporters in the end, what, no one is asking me about the democratic race? he loves to be playing the sideline kibitzing role. that being said, to answer your question, from the beginning biden has been viewed by his campaign operatives as potentially the least -- the hardest matchup for donald trump. they have been projecting confidence for a long time. they have money, they have a headstart, they have the advantages of an incumbent running for re-election on their side. but biden has been seen as the person who could peel off voters who might go to trump if a further left candidate was the democratic nominee. and we saw -- trump can say that the impeachment hearings hurt biden, but it was his efforts to
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paint biden as corrupt very early that led to him being impeached in the first place. so biden certainly was top of mind. there was a period just in january where the trump campaign and trump himself were trying to elevate bernie because they thought it would be a clearer race and an easier argument for them to make. >> all right, annie, david, zerlina, i'm sorry, please come back again. up next, what happened to elizabeth warren's campaign? stay with us. en's campaign? stay with us do you have concerns about mild memory loss related to aging? prevagen is the number one pharmacist-recommended memory support brand. you can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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i announced this morning that i am suspending my campaign for president. i say this with a deep sense of gratitude for every single person who got in this fight, every single person who tried on a new idea, every single person who just moved a little in their notion of what a president of the united states should look like. >> so why didn't it work out for elizabeth warren? well, there are all sorts of theories out there and there are some obvious explanations when you look at the numbers. one is the same basic problem that pete buttigieg and amy klobuchar both had, they were able to make noise in iowa and in new hampshire, but when the electorate got more diverse, the campaigns ran aground. in nevada the first state with a
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large hispanic electorate, elizabeth warren managed to get just 7% of latino support. in california's primary this week where there was a very large latino electorate, she got 6% of it. in south carolina, that's where black voters made up a majority of the electorate, warren got only 5% of african-american support and she didn't do any better this week on super tuesday. for instance, she got 5% of the black vote in virginia. compare that to about three times that number when it came to her support among white voters. it was the same story in north carolina. 5% of the black vote for warren. nearly triple that among white voters. in this day and age the inability to build nonwhite support and especially support among black voters is probably too much of a hurdle for any democratic presidential candidate to overcome and win the nomination. warren is only the latest candidate to have this issue. warren's undoing may be bigger than this. ironically enough, it might have something to do with how successful she initially was. think back to last fall. warren was moving up in the
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polls. she had been moving up all year. she actually got the lead in the real clear politics poll average in early october and her numbers were looking good in iowa and new hampshire. at that moment it seemed only too easy to see warren winning early, building momentum and emerging as the democratic nominee. but when you get ahead in a presidential race, you also suddenly start to get scrutiny. and when warren took that lead, democrats suddenly had to confronting the possibility that she would actually be the nominee and ask themselves did they really want that to happen? warren was running on a medicare for all promise. she would be asked if taxes would go up to pay for it. pointedly she refused to give a yes or no answer. eventually with the heat rising, she modulated and adjusted her plan. the headlines called it a shift, a big shift. think about this, poll after poll for a year has been telling us democratic voters are thinking about one thing above everything else, electability. that's a tough term to define. you really can't know if someone
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is electable until you actually run them in an election and see if they can win. but however they define it, democratic voters are thinking about it, we know that. when warren got the lead last fall, she found herself fielding uncomfortable questions about her medicare for all plan. like do you want to abolish private insurance? and it was in this moment that her polling stopped. she slipped back behind biden. she fell into second place, then third place and really that was that. she could never get back to the lead or all that close to it. so the question becomes could it be the democratic voters watched warren in that spotlight, in that moment when it seemed like she might be on the verge of running away with it all. they watched her as medicare for all took over the conversation and that they decided this isn't the debate we want to be having next fall against donald trump. maybe we should look for somewhere else. maybe we should hit the brakes. come to think of it, the same thing might be happening with bernie sanders right now. he won new hampshire. he won nevada convincingly. suddenly it looked like he was about to be the democratic
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nominee. and at that moment, democratic voters seemed to take a look at him, seemed to look at him with a little more scrutiny, seemed to say wait a minute, do we really want to go down this road? democratic leaders said bernie sanders, if you nominate him, could be a risk. and they hit the brakes. democratic voters hit the brakes. whether they let up or pressed down harder, that's what we're going to soon find out. thanks for being with us tonight. don't go anywhere. "all in with chris hayes" is up next. tonight on "all in" -- >> i will not be running for president in 2020. >> 2020 is now a two-man race. >> we have a shot to win the democratic nomination and a shot to beat donald trump. >> the president does not want me to be the nominee. >> tonight where joe biden and bernie sanders stand, and the legacy of elizabeth warren's candidacy. >> all those little girls who are going to have to wait four
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more years, that's going to be