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will they be taken to a common area and put on a plane and sent back? how would that process work? >> again, it's a public health crisis. what we're trying to do is limit the amount of contact we have with the individuals not putting them in border patrol facilities, i.c.e. facilities and the like. it will be very rapid. we're going to take them into custody and then send them back to a port of entry or other means. it will be very quickly. it won't be the six or seven or ten days we currently have. it will be much more rapid. >> if they are otm will they be taken to an airfield? >> that's correct. absolutely. >> anybody? >> mr. president? >> mr. president? >> the checks to americans, the bill proposed creates sort of tiers of checks for income. do you believe philosophically that makes sense? >> i want to get workers money and which ever way the best way to get it and i want to keep the businesses open, too, because without the businesses they're
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not going to be getting money for very long. if not we'll do something later, i'm sure. >> a follow yum -up on that. >> wall street analysts are predicting unemployment numbers can skyrocket, some say as mmm as 3 million people applying for unemployment which would be a historic number in a one-week spread. is a $1,000 check going to cut it? >> we're not talking about $1,000 check. we're talking much more than that. we're also talking about doing phases. if this doesn't work we'll keep going. once weep get the economy back, once this enemy is defeated, the invisible enemy, we get the economy back, it's going to all come back to us very quickly. we have a tremendous economy. we do numbers like no other country has ever done before, number one in the world, if you go back two weeks obviously.
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number one in the world by far. that money comes back to us very rapidly. we want to keep it -- we want to have it so when, not if, when we win the war with the invisible enemy, when we win it, these companies can immediately start, not that they have to start rebuilding, which takes a long time. steve? steve? >> are you confident those jobs will come back? >> i am confident. >> what projections for job losses in march and april are you hearing? >> we're looking at different numbers. we have a best case and a not best case. the big thing is to defeat the virus. once the virus is defeated, steve, i think everything else falls in place rapidly. i think you'll have a tremendous upswing. people agree with me. if you look at your stock market geniuses, some of whom are not geniuses but they think they are, a lot of people think i'm right about that. once we defeat the virus, i think you're going to have a very steep, like a rocket ship, it's going to go up and
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everything will be back. i believe we'll be stronger than ever before. go ahead? >> on supplies you told governors to try to find whatever supplies they can on their own. some of them are now saying when they try to buy them they're being outbid by the federal government. >> you heard my news conference yesterday. that does happen because they want to buy supplies, we want to buy as a backup to them and sometimes that will happen, but regardless of who gets them when they need them we're getting them to them. now we're doing the production act, we're doing it very much, and we have a lot of things cooking at a high level. remember this, nothing like this has ever happened before, over 140 countries. and you have supply chains that are broken down for two reasons. they can't supply that much and because people are sick and can't be on the chain. you have a lot of interesting things all over the world, supply chains that broke down because of the illness and also because of the fact the
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quantity. but we're getting it ordered. we're getting it done. if you just have to -- look, some of you were at the call yesterday where i spoke with the governors, almost all of the governors, and every one of them was very impressed with what we've done. go ahead, in the middle. >> the department told states not to disclose their unemployment numbers? >> i would have to talk to them. >> i just want to be clear, are you saying that the administration is requiring these industries to create these products or just asking? >> so far we haven't had to. it's an amazing thing that happened. we're getting calls from automobile companies. we're getting calls from other companies saying they have planned capacity. they want to make ventilators, to make other things. we are literally being besieged in a beautiful way by companies that want to do the work. they want to do the job, help us, help our country. so we haven't had a problem with that at all.
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>> mr. president, how do you help out states and localities that are trying to bid on things like ventilators and other items but are being outbid -- >> when they call us, they let us know. if there's a conflict, they will call us and we will drop our bid because we want them to go first because they're point of sale. we've had four or five instances that was happening. we're both trying to get stock, and if we're going against, they will call us, the smart ones, frankly, will call us and we will immediately -- we want them to buy it because it gets to them quicker if they buy it. >> do they know -- >> they know that. and it's happening more and more where they're calling and saying we're bidding against each other. they want to get it, they'll get it much quicker that way. go ahead, please. >> mr. president, i have a question for secretary azar. there are labs across the country that don't have the testing supplies they need.
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what specific actions -- >> it's going very well, i'll tell you what. >> what specific actions -- >> i haven't heard that question in a while but go ahead. >> so, first, we're making tremendous progress in terms of lab testing, tens of thousands of tests are being done every single day both through the cdc and the public health labs as well as now through the private sector commercial labs. they're getting to scale. they have supplies. we do hear anecdotally of a public health lab or another one that has a concern about this supply or that supply. through fema we are standing up a laboratory task force to answer those questions. usually it's the lab people do not understand there are actually alternative supplies in the marketplace, that they are perfectly free to use. we've had to put out some common myths and truths about that. for instance the other day we were getting calls from governors saying we don't have
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swabs. there are no swabs. there are no swabs. our supply people went in the open marketplace and bought 200,000 swabs in the open market, and i just sent a letter to every governor sending them swabs. so some of it's just they aren't listening or checking with us about all the freedom, all the capacities out there. it's a complex system with 330 million americans and all of these labs. so sometimes there's a lab that doesn't understand how much flexibility they have and how much supply there is out there. we're working through the new fema integration center to help correct that for folks. >> secretary azar -- >> as i said, more and more tests are being performed every day. as we learn about the results that are being reported around the country of coronavirus tests our experts continue to look at the numbers and see that some 90% of americans that are tested do not test positive for the
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coronavirus. and so it can give you a sense of the magnitude of testing that's going on. we have the number of cases that we've reported today but it's, in some cases, near to ten times that that have been tested. but let me also emphasize how important it was in answering these questions for governors and local officials the president stood up fema and the national response center where we briefed governors yesterday. now every governor and their state department, state health departments have the ability to reach out to our regional fema administrators and that's how as the president said we're sorting out those potential conflicts between very significant federal purchases and procurements and as hospitals and state governments are purchasing as well. i think the new streamline system operating now in all 50 states in our territories of governors and states going through their regional
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administrator for fema will make it more possible for us to ensure that our hospitals, our health care providers have access to what's available on the open market and elsewhere. >> mr. vice president, as the head of the task force, you've seen the numbers, spoken to average americans, you're a former governor. what do you say to americans right now who are watching and who are scared? >> i would say do not be afraid. be vigilant. all the experts tell us that the risk of serious illness to the average american for the coronavirus is low, but we need every american to put into practice the president's coronavirus guidelines, 15 days to slow the spread because the coronavirus is about three times more contagious than the flu, according to our best estimate. and you can contract the coronavirus, have very mild symptoms, if any, not even be aware that you have it, and expose someone who is vulnerable
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to a very serious health outcome. that's the reason why we're encouraging people to avoid groups of more than ten, to not eat in restaurants, but to use drive-thrus, to wash their hands on a regular basis, and particularly we're going to continue as the president has directed us to focus on the most vulnerable population, which are seniors with serious underlying health conditions or anyone with anunderlying immunodeficiency. >> a clarification because you just said that you haven't had to require companies to up their production of medical supplies, but you said last night you invoked -- i'm refused. >> when we need something because of the act we order something. as you know two days ago i invoked the act which was a big step. i'm not sure that it had been done before, certainly not very much. if we need something, we will use the act. what has happened is before we even go out many companies,
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great companies, companies in a totally different business are willing to do things and make things because that's what they do. they make product. they're willing to make product for us, medical product, that we need badly for the states that the states can't get, they haven't been able to get. most of the states, in no way did they do anything wrong, they were stocked up. they were equipped. they've never had anything like this and needed help from the federal government. go ahead. >> this is important. you haven't actually directed any companies to start making more ventilators or masks? >> i have, yes. >> how many? >> a lot. and they're making a lot of ventilators and masks. go ahead, please. >> mr. president, partially following up on that, are there automakers right now who are retooling their production facilities to make ventilators? >> i can't say they are but they will be very shortly because we're working with one in particular that make ventilators. they called us yesterday and were already working on a
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transaction. they're going to make ventilators. they say they've done it before, which surprised me, but they can do it very easily. >> this is partially for you and partially for secretary azar. you said yesterday you had spoken to carnival corporations and he said he could donate -- >> that's not the word, donate. he's not giving them. he will let us use them. i spoke with the president, the chairman, ceo and owner. he said to me that he was willing to, if we need ships, if we need ships for helping people that carnival would be absolutely willing to help us in los angeles and new york, wherever they may be, in miami where they're very big, if we needed something they would be willing to. so far we haven't needed to and we're bringing the big hospital ships up in california. we're working with the governor
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of california, as you know, with gavin. we haven't made a determination. we're also talking to folks who would like it in seattle. we're discussing where it can be most useful. we've spoken with governor cuomo, and we're bringing the big hospital ship up in two weeks and will have it in new york harbor. >> so my question is, one, it sounds like you haven't taken them up on it yet -- >> i said if we need it, we'll let them know. that's called taking it up. right now we don't need it. >> they have frequently conta contacted surfaces, and so this is where you come in, secretary azar and potentially dr. fauci, do you have concerns about them used as hospitals? >> they're very clean and also the surfaces, the germ, as you know, the virus disappears over a period of time, and the ships are very clean. they've been kept very clean. they've been gone over. the virus, as you know, if it's on a surface, they have charts, different kinds of surfaces, it disappears over a period of
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time. what are you trying to get at? go ahead. >> why not -- >> the virus disappears on a surface after a certain number of days or in some cases hours depending on the surface. go ahead, please. >> a quick follow-up. can you name any other companies that you've asked to start making ventilators? >> i will be but first i want to get the approval from the company because i don't want to be doing that. i assume they'd like it but i'll let you know. >> and this is for dr. fauci -- >> one company that has openly stated is general motors. >> did the government ask general motors? >> i didn't speak to them about announcing it. we have others, also. >> okay, thank you. and so for dr. fauci, there's new research out the cdc released many of the people -- or that 13% of the people with the coronavirus got it from someone that was asymptomatic.
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so my question is, does that change the way -- the approach that should be taken and do you think that's the case or do you not agree with that? >> the recommendations that are here applies to whether you're in physical contact with someone who could be infected with symptoms versus asymptomatic. i don't think it really changes anything. certainly there is some degree of asymptomatic transmissibility. it's still not quite clear exactly what that is. but when people focus on that, i think they take their eye off the real ball which is the things you do will mitigate whether you're near someone who is asymptomatic or not. physical separation and the care that's outlined here is going to take care of both of those things. >> thank you, mr. president. i have a question about president. when will every american needs a test be able to get a test?
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and why not have medical equipment being shipped right now to hospitals who need it -- >> we're hearing positive things about testing. just so you understand, we don't want every american to go out and get a test, 350 million people. we don't want that. we want people that have a problem, that have a problem with they're sneezing and sniffling, they don't feel good, they have a temperature. there are a lot of different things. you know them better than i do. ready? we don't need that. what we are having is having these private labs have come in and they've been really fantastic. we have a great system for the future because, as i said, we inherited -- we, it wasn't meant for anything like this. now we have a system that you can see because we're well into this and nobody is even talking about it except for you which doesn't surprise me. >> there are americans, though, who say they have symptoms and they can't get tested. what do you say -- >> i'm not hearing it. we don't want everybody to go
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out and get a test because there's no reason for it. >> some americans who have symptoms -- >> i want to ask dr. fauci because one of the people is suggesting the real way to get to the end of this, for life to return to normal, every single person in the country to be tested so you could see who is contagious and then have people who don't have it go back to work. is there any possibility this country could get to a point where every single person could be tested, and how long would that take? >> thank you for the question. i've heard that before. i don't connect the dots there. i don't see how testing everybody in the country will help you to implement this. this should be implemented universally at this level for everyone. the things we spoke about a while ago that you want to ratchet it up like governor newsonew som is doing this california and governor cuomo in new york.
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it would be nice to know and there are certain things could you do but let's not conflate testing with the action that we have to take. whether or not you test, do this. i'm not putting down testing as an important issue but people link it so much if you don't have universal testing you can't respond to the outbreak. you really can. >> what i do think after listening to tony and everyone else who is an expert, it's important that not everybody be tested. if you feel great and if you have no symptoms whatsoever, it's just not a good thing to be doing. steve? >> this question is for dr. fauci. yesterday you mentioned the possibility of aerosol transmitting the virus. how likely is that to happen? >> the possibility of aerosol transmission comes up when you have situations like that. it comes up with influenza. it came up with sars in which there was a documented one-off episode of some aerosol
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transmission. aerosol means that it can stay in the air for a period of time because it's in a droplet that's very small and doesn't go down. is it possible that there is aerosol transmission? yeah, there certainly is. but clearly what we have seen in the situations where people have gotten infected in china, south korea, now europe, most of it is in the situation where people are close enough to each other that a symptomatic person will have a real drop of transmission. so i'm not ruling out the possibility that it's aerosol but, again, it's not going to substantially change doing this. >> dr. fauci -- >> let me ask this in a very simple way. what is the demand pressure on testing in this country, and are we meeting it? >> i get the same calls that many of you get. someone goes into a place who has a symptom and wants to get a
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test and for one reason or other, multiple logistic, technical, what have you, they can't get it. that is a reality that is happening now. is it the same as it was a few weeks ago? absolutely not because as the secretary and others have said right now that we have the private sector involved the availability -- not only just availability but the implementation of the availability is getting better and better and better. having said that, i understand and empathize with the people who rightfully are saying i'm trying to get a test and i can't. >> so is that a way of saying we are not yet meeting the demand pressure? >> the answer is yes, john, we are not there yet because people would never be calling up saying they can't get a test. >> go ahead. >> i just can't emphasize enough about the incredible progress we have made on testing. all of your reporting and media
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outlets around the country are as well, that many, many more tests are being performed every day literally by the tens of thousands. and this has only been made possible because several weeks ago the president brought in the commercial labs, these enormous companies, quest and labcorp and abbott and thermo fisher and said we have this existing system of state laboratories and the cdc processing tests for certain infections. given the magnitude of this outbreak, the president apprehended early on it wouldn't be enough to meet the need, and i just want every american to know that literally hour by hour in partnership with these extraordinary commercial labs, we are making more and more tests available every day. we'll detail the way we're
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working with states to distribute those tests. we've obviously focused on states that have been dealing with the most serious outbreaks of coronavirus, washington state, california, new york and others. we've been making sure the tests are in those areas working closely with those governors. i think the american people should be encouraged at the progress we are making. tomorrow we'll take some time to detail that progress for you. i would say to any american who might be concerned that they have symptoms, as the president said so well, we don't want every healthy american to get a test. but if people feel that they have symptoms that they identify with the coronavirus, call your doctor. their doctor can call their state health authorities. they can work closely with our entire team through hhs and fema and work to identify the more and more tests available every day. >> just so you know -- just for
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the hundredth time, i, this administration, inherited an obsolete, broken, old system that wasn't meant for this. we discarded that system and now have a new system that can do millions of people as you need them. but we had to get rid of a broken old system that didn't work. it worked only on a very limited basis. and we're very proud of what we've done. it's incredible what we've done. this system will serve for the future, for future problems. something will come up. we have now a great system and it's almost fully in gear but it's able to test millions of people. but we inherited a broken, old, frankly a terrible system. we fixed it and we've done a great job and we haven't been
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given the credit that we deserve. that i can tell you. the one that really deserves the credit are the american people because they are doing things nobody thought they would do. what they're doing is incredible and we're making a lot of progress and we'll see you folks tomorrow. thank you very much. and good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. you've been watching president trump as he's just completed today's coronavirus press briefing, and telephonit was ju announced the united states and mexico have agreed to contain the virus, they say, while maintaining trade and commerce. after signing the defense production act on wednesday president trump now says he has put the act, quote, into gear. he has not given any details on which companies he has directed to act. he then answered a follow-up question and said that general motors has agreed to be involved in this but it is still not specific that anything has been actually produced in those
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factories. and the department of education is announcing no more standardized testing this year and temporarily waiving interest on student loans. this can be seen in california where overnight gavin newsom ordered his 40 million constituents to stay home other than going out for essential errands such as food or medicine. the governor says the disease may, in fact, infect as many as 25 million people. that would be more than half of the state's population. and in new york governor andrew cuomo today saying that 100% of workers at nonessential businesses should stay home. president trump says there is no thought to a national lockdown and does not think he would find that necessary. today treasury secretary steve mnuchin announcing tax day is july 15th giving americans three extra months to file returns to make payments without incurring any penalties. the number of cases across the country now is spiking largely
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as more data comes in from testing. 14,000 cases have been confirmed in the u.s. 205 people have died from the virus here. joining me now is "washington post" white house correspondent ann guerin, dr. zeke emanuel from the university of pennsylvania, and nbc news white house correspondent hans nichols. doctor, first to you, joining us by skype, let's talk about a big dispute that erupted at this briefing between the president, a number of correspondents, particularly our own peter alexander, doing his job over the issue whether the president was giving false optimism to people by saying that it's going to happen very soon that hydroxychloroquine or another would be available. dr. fauci said to savannah
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guthrie that it would take time and there would have to be proper tests. he was careful in his comments. the president kept saying this could happen immediately and it could be used right away. what is your medical opinion? >> i think tony is right. tony prefaced you can have all the beliefs in the world but we rely on data. it is true that chloroquine has been used for malaria, has side effects, but is safe. we still use it although the malaria parasite is resistant to it. to show it works for patients who have coronavirus first you need to show that it's not going to harm them and there are reasons you might be worried about that. if you use in one patient or
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another and they get better, you could have a problem not knowing whether it was the chloroquine or the, in fact, just chance that they happened to get better. i think it's really a problem. asserts that it will definitely work. >> let me play what we are referring to. dr. fauci's expression of exactly what the real situation is just today. >> the decades of experience with this drug indicate the toxicities are rare and in many respects reversible. what we don't know is when you put it in the context of another disease whether it's safe. i like to prove things first. it's the hope that it will work versus proving that it will work. i don't see big differences here. >> obviously dr. fauci is on the
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spot standing with the president and we saw the president's anger expressed to the reporters asking the same legitimate questions. mr. emanuel, tell us what other possible therapies might be available and whether too much optimism is being expressed from the white house about the time frame of this. they keep talking about two weeks. dr. fauci said he's all but certain it will be longer than 15 days before we both surge and get past this crisis. >> yes. it's not going to be two weeks and it's not going to be two weeks to prove the drugs work. it's not going to be two weeks weep get past this crisis, and that's -- we have to be prepared for 8 to 12 weeks. that's the more realistic time frame. >> and regarding a vaccine, how quickly that trials can be speeded up. >> assuming everything works well, we're still talking 12 to 18 months and that's a big assumption. remember, we don't have a
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coronavirus vaccine for a good reason. it's hard. it's hard to get a vaccine against this virus. so even assuming things work well, which we all desperately hope, we're talking 12 to 18 months and i would think 18 months more than 12 months. you have to do safety testing. you have to show it's effective, brings the antibodies up, and show it really can prevent coronavirus infection that causes covid-19. all of those are three separate trials and you don't want something bad to happen where you inject this vaccine and people end up sicker than where they started. >> what about the vice president saying the risk is fairly low for the general population? >> every day that passes, the risk gets greater for the general population. now many people may get this, 80% we know, and have a mild case. if you look at the number of cases, 14,000 plus cases and you
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multiply that times ten which tells you how many cases are in the united states we're already at 140,000, or you take the 200 deaths and multiply that by 800, we're at 150,000 cases and doubling every few days. so i think we shouldn't be overconfident and there are particular places i personally am worried about. florida is one of them. people partying on the beach and you have a lot of elderly people there and that's not a good recipe. that's a recipe for a big outbreak among the older population and these younger people if they're spreading the disease taking it back to where they came from, again, places that may have done a good job in trying to minimize the number of cases in their community through social distancing, et cetera. that is a very, very bad situation, and it makes me quite nervous, and it could lead to an
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explosion of more cases. that imperial college report everyone is talking to that the president saw on sunday or monday, they said if we don't do this well it could be 2.2 million people dying. in a normal year we have 2.7 million people dying, a 70% increase in the death rate in this country. that would be horrific. we need to take that seriously and, unfortunately, a lot of americans aren't taking it seriously. >> and getting mixed messages from the white house as well. joining us now by phone is jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon, now an nbc news national security analyst. jeremy, what is your take on the border closures that were announced? >> well, andrea, the problem with the border closure is that the virus is already here. the virus is already in dozen of american cities and in all of our communities. and so sealing the border at this point seems like we're
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closing the barn door after the horse has already left. now i guess it's possible that you could argue that there is a public health rationale for limiting additional movement across the border but, of course, our autonomy is so intertwined with mexico, tens of thousands who cross the border every day to work, that there are going to be so many exceptions and secretary pompeo and the president even acknowledged those exceptions today. it will be unclear who will be swept into this sealing of the border and who will be swept out. with a lot more detail it's unclear at this point whether this will achieve the objective the president wants. >> and what about the recriminations towards china, both the president and the secretary of state both used the phrase china virus even though the scientists, the experts say that we should not be referring to it that way. we don't refer to swine flu as the american virus. >> well, i think, andrea, we all
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know what's going on here. this is race-baiting, a form of xenophobia, a form of trying to make the crisis that we're all facing into somewhat of a national crisis or a u.s. versus china crisis and the reality is that pandemics like this is one of the few examples that shows everybody in the world is in the same boat. we're all part of a common humanity and we all have to solve this problem together. and the idea we would try to drive wedges between countries, whether or not we agree with them or don't agree with them, we work with them or don't work with them on other issues, is besides the point this public health crisis requires a president, a statesman, to reach out to any country willing to work with the united states and the global community to solve this problem. >> joining us as well is jeff mason, white house correspondent, of course, for reuters. jeff, you've watched the
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president in a lot of contexts. his anger at a number of questioners, particularly peter alexander, who will be joining us shortstoply, is pretty extraordinary given he's trying to project the calmness, the bipartisan donald trump praising chuck schumer, praising governors cuomo -- he's doing both things at the same time but then lashing out against people asking legitimate questions when he is disagreeing with his own scientists. >> no, they certainly are legitimate questions, andrea. i think it's kind of showing the two sides of president trump. you've got the president who is trying to get out ahead of this crisis after what was certainly a beginning response that many people feel of lackluster and there's a lot of evidence that his own comments. [ inaudible ] he gets flustered now.
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reporters like peter and myself and others have that sort of slow start -- >> and, jeff mason, we apologize because the skype audio is not working as well as we'd like. we'll work on that. peter alexander is now with us. and since we're talking about you, peter, you asked legitimate questions about whether the president was giving fault optimism, false hope to the american people about these drug therapies. i want to share something personally because i was watching the president yesterday when he first mentioned chloroquine and i was watching from my office as i was preparing to come out here and i was with someone who takes that medicati medication for an underlying condition, someone who actually jumped into the air with hope and exuberance thinking that there was some mitigation in case this person got it.
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and the dashing of that hope with the reality check from dr. fauci, i mean, multiply that times the millions of people, your question was so well placed. we'll show the exchange. >> is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving americans a false sense of hope -- >> i don't think so. no, i don't think so. >> the not yet approved drug. >> such a lovely question. look, it may work and it may not work, and i agree with the doctor, what he said. may work, may not work. i feel good about it. it's all it is. just a feeling. i feel good about it. and we're going to see. you're going to see soon enough. we have samples of people, a lot of people in big trouble, and
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this is not a drug that obviously i think i can speak for a lot -- from a lot of experience because it's been out there for over 20 years, so it's not a drug that you have a huge amount of danger with. it's not like a brand-new drug that's been just created that may have an unbelievable monumental effect like kill you. we're going to know very soon. and i can tell you the fda is working very hard to get it out. right now in terms of malaria, if you want it you can have a prescription. and, by the way, it's effective. it works. i have a kneelifeeling you may sure as hell think we ought to give it a try. there have been some interesting things happen and very good things. let's see what happens. we have nothing to lose. you know the expression, what the hell do you have to lose? >> so what do you say -- let me follow up. what do you say to the americans who are scared, though? nearly 200 dead, 14,000 who are
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sick, millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now. what do you say to americans who are watching you right now who are scared? >> i say that you're a terrible reporter. that's what i say. i think it's a very nasty question, and i think it's a very bad signal that you're putting out to the american people. the american people are looking for answers and they're looking for hope. and you're doing sensationalism and the same with nbc and concast. i don't call it comcast. let me tell you something, that's really bad reporting. and you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism. let's see if it works. it might and it might not. i happen to feel good about it but who knows. i've been right a lot. let's see what happens. >> peter, i've sat in that hot seat. were you doing your job. you were asking the questions americans want to have answers to. you were asking questions that are fact-based.
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and he exploded against you, and i don't know how you maintained the calm that you did and you asked follow-up questions, asked a question of governor pence, the same question later, and he gave you an answer about what the governor should do. >> as you witnessed mike pence later answered that in the same conversation, the same question when i asked him what he said to americans who are scared, he said don't be afraid, be vigilant. you and i are baseball fans. i'm sure plenty are watching. we call this a softball. i was trying to provide the president an opportunity to reassure the millions of americans, members of my own family and my neighbors and my community and plenty of people sitting at home right now, this was his opportunity to do that to provide a positive or uplifting message. instead, you saw the president's answer to that question right now. it does go to one of the fundamental concerns. americans are looking for a sense of confidence in their leaders at the moment, as many are glued to their tvs or stuck behind closed doors in their homes surrounded only by loved ones right now. i think it does reveal a
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frustration, perhaps an anxiety about his own political prospects, at about a situation that's hard to keep in control as we witnessed it continue to spiral at this time, andrea. the bottom line is this is a president whose experiences in life are very different than most americans across this country right now. not a person who likely worries about finances or has worried about his future, not a person worried about where he'll find a paycheck for his bills or his rent. and as evidenced by the president suggesting that an opportunity to provide for americans some reassurance about how they should feel right now, the president instead took it out on me. >> well, and you have done exactly what you should be doing and made us all proud here at nbc. we continue to talk about all of this, we are all affected by it. we feel for our viewers. we are humans and have loved
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ones as well. we're doing our jobs in trying to get the information. and in terms of the american public and the confidence in the administration and this government, the markets are a pretty good reflection of how confident people are how the president is doing reassuring people. joining me here as well is another white house correspondent, ann guerin, from "the washington post." you've been in the same situation, covered mike pompeo as well. we've seen plenty of flashes of anger from him against the press which has endeared him to the president. from your experience, people want the facts. >> sure. mike pompeo and vice president pence delivered some today, and they may wrap, particularly pompeo, may wrap those facts in wrappers they think are politically palatable to the
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president but they did offer facts and advice and mike pompeo detailed what the new border action will be. these are things americans want and need to hear from their government officials and i actually think it is a very good thing that the administration is doing these briefings every day. yes, they do run off the rails, but they are a way to provide information to americans if real time and they give us an opportunity to hold our officials accountable. >> and let's review some of the aspects of these changes because, first of all, they've raised the travel alert to the highest level, to level four. so do not travel overseas. if you are overseas, come back as soon as you can, if you can. they did cut off flights through mexico, european flights to mexico, that have come back. so the options for getting back
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commercially are becoming few and far between. we know of hundreds of people trapped in peru. the embassy in peru last night said to people on twitter who were stranded there to call united airlines, call delta, call american, but we have no indication that those borders are reopening. they did charter about 1,200 people including one couple we interviewed last night. because of the publicity, the pressure of the people stranded in morocco and not getting people any kind of information from the embassy they did bring 1,200 people out through london. they are flying, as we speak, overnight and get back arranged by the state department. >> the state department guidance today and yesterday, really for a lot of americans overseas is going to translate to sit tight because there isn't a way that they can get back. certainly not without enormous
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expense and probably more exposure than they might be suffering where they are. so this is another ripple effect. it's -- there are at any times millions of americans overseas. and many of them live there and would expect to be able to come and go as they please as passport holders and now they're either being told to stay where they are with no reassurance about when they can come to the united states or they're being told in most cases you're on your own. >> in fact, those americans who live overseas are being told to stay put. joining us now is nbc news medical correspondent dr. john torres. dr. torres, thank you for being with us. there's been a lot of back and forth. i think tony fauci gave us the straight story today, but you're getting this optimism from the president about other therapies potentially being available. let's talk about the larger
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issue of the risk level. what we've seen in california and new york are some startling numbers in new york the governor and the mayor both said it's because of more testing, most likely. but we're seeing the surge happening in these two states on both coasts. and what is your perspective as to how high the risk is right now? are these orders from the governor in california to stay put from new york for 100% now of the workforce to not show up for work unless you're working at an essential company. >> you are hearing two different stories and they talked about this in the press conference and what dr. fauci was saying which is the most appropriate to talk about there's not a uniform policy you can make. they're putting one out, the guidelines, for the vast majority of the country. once they start getting hot spots, california, new york, washington state, that's when they start pushing more measures out there including the shelter in places, the 100% no work type situations, and what they said, too, if more places start having
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more cases and more hot spot areas they'll start doing that as well. as far as the therapeutics, one of the things you heard was a bit of a disconnect between the president and dr. fauci. in one instance early on in the conversation they were talking about the borders, the borders with mexico and canada and dr. fauci agreed and said i've always talked about making sure the borders are controls and we keep the infections out, and so this is something i agree to do and is important. on the other hand when you get to the therapeutics talking about chloroquine this is the one where the president said i feel like this is a good drug. i feel this is a very safe drug so i ordered a bunch of these and think people should use these. dr. fauci said, hold on a second. we need to get the clinical trials out there, understand it's safe. even though, and this is me telling you this, even though it's a medicine that's been around since the '30s and considered to be safe, it still has side effects. some of the side effects, abdominal pain, nausea,
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vomiting, people can get confused, have behavioral issues, have seizures. again, it's a safe medicine if used appropriately. and dr. fauci is saying make sure it will be safe when used for coronavirus. we don't know that yet. >> and hans nichols is with us as well from the white house lawn. hans, we have negotiations on capitol hill. i know you've been tracking that. today senator mcconnell was leading the talks with white house officials and democrats, chuck schumer. schumer was warning unless you bring nancy pelosi and the house democrats in you're not going to have a deal but senator mcconnell is clearly keeping pelosi out, whether or not that is from direction from the white house, we don't know. in any case he was promising a deal on another stimulus package by tonight and a vote by monday. any update on that? >> reporter: it seems like a very tight time line. you heard from the president of the united states that he's in discussion with schumer and had a conversation with him. we know that secretary mnuchin is handling the pelosi end of
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the brief. but it seemed as though the president didn't want to get tripped up on the details of a stimulus package and he was signaling a lot of flexibility. for those on the economic side of this that want to see some sort of action, some sort of stimulus, that could be read as a positive sign. the president saying we're going to have conversations. they're ongoing. we want to get something done rather quickly. he also went out of his way not to criticize senator burr, senator feinstein as well for these reports out there that they prompted by selling some of their portfolio based on what they were receiving either in public or private briefings. we know senator burr is out there saying he was just watching cnbc in asia very closely. the president went out of his way to, "a," turn a slightly partisan issue saying they were only asking about republicans and not democrats. he knows them to be honorable people. like a lot of times with president trump we had three to four press conferences all put
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into one hour and a half. you have done a pretty good job picking that all over. an excellent job picking it all job picking that all over. aside from what he is doing along the border, very significant, the president signaling flexibility to capital hill. >> the story was about senator burr, the republican head of the intelligence committee, who has been getting briefings and dumped a whole lot of stock, hundreds of thousands of dollars, potentially as much as $1.7 million. >> right. >> with saying something as npr had on audio privately to contributors and friends that he was not saying to the american people while he was getting these early warnings, as well as the newly-appointed senator in georgia, who also had a whole lot of stock. well, senator burr has now himself asked for the snagt ethics committee to investigate. it is not illegal, not as far as we, any reading of the law, not
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a violation of insider trading. because it would have to be a specific tip on a specific stock to qualify for something that was a legal issue. there are ethical questions and shady issues. but the president kept jumping in with dianne feinstein, the only one of the senators involved who is not only a democrat but has a blind trust where she has no way of knowing what was being done in her portfolio. there were a number of senators involved. i want to turn in italy. the number of people died from this coronavirus is soaring, surpassing china where the virus originated. italy accounts for one-third of the deaths. joining us from rome, matt bradley, it's devastating there, the funerals, obituaries, the whole country in lockdown. is there any leveling off of this horrific surng?
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>> the short answer is no because today was tragic. we saw by far the largest single day deaths here in italy since this began. 627 deaths today in just the last 24 hours nationwide. that is by far the most clearly beating the record that was set two days earlier with 475 deaths. and that was a monumental milestone. you mentioned that italy has now surpassed china in the number of deaths from the coronavirus. that milestone was passed yesterday. and we can expect these numbers to just keep rising. you know, all of this andrea, is coming in the midst more than a week after a comprehensive nationwide lockdown that has seen this country, i know you know italy, it's totally quiet. nobody is on the street. people are fine if they're walking in the street. that just goes to show that either this really drastic measure, major restriction, hasn't been working or there's a very, very strong lag in how that will work. just today we've also seen another record breaking, nearly
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6,000 new positivetests in one day, this well into that lockdown. that's something people will want to look at. >> indeed, matt bradley, stay safe. dr. zika manuel, what does this predi predict for us if we don't take the steps that new york and california have taken? >> first of all i think it's important to emphasize what your reporter said, that the picture we have today reflects what happened 15 days ago. certainly if you look at the mortality rate, because people, they get the virus, it has to incubate, and then it affects their health. so you have these big deaths. italy locked down just a week ago. it's going to take two, three, four weeks to see that effect in terms of positive cases and in terms of deaths. and if you look at wuhan, it was really eight weeks between the lockdown and when the curve came back down low.
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so you get a lag by the picture today. that should make people in america worried because the picture we have is definitely underplaying what is happening. we're days behind -- or two weeks behind italy, and the data we have today that we have 150,000 cases at least around the country, if you multiplied the numbers correctly, you know, we're looking at what happened two weeks ago. we've m three doublings since weeks ago. that has to give people -- make them worry a lot. we do need to do what new york and california have done. we need to take it seriously, take social distancing seriously. i'm a little curious why the task force and president have not made this a mandate nationwide, not the lockdown but a mandate for all the states to close restaurants and do the other things. it seems to me they're being slow on this. >> dr. zika manuel, thanks to you and all of the others who
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have helped us on this difficult day. a difficult day which also involves some terrible news here at nbc news. to report about a dear colleague and member of our nbc news extended family. larry ed wargt, who has died due to complications from coronavirus worked most recently at 30 rock and tested positive for covid-19 earlier this week. according to his wife, he suffered from other health issues that led him to succumb to the illness. he is the big ghie you see right there during a shoot in namibia in 2011. he spent most of his 25 years at nbc news as a skilled audio technician traveling the world to bring you our viewers all of the news. i was one of those privileged to work with larry for decades here in the u.s. and in hot spots around the world. he was the person that you're always happy to see when you arrive on a conflict zone, on the campaign trail, or just at the corridors of 30 rock.
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in every situation larry had my back. his small, his laugh were a virtual embrace in good times and bad. andy lack said in a note to employees to all of us today, he was known as someone you wanted by your side no matter where you were. one of his colleagues describes him as a gentle giant who would give you the shirt off his back. larry, dear larry, we miss you. larry survived by his wife crystal and his two sons. he was only 61 years old. take care of your family, take care of your friends. thank you for being with us today. allergies with nasal congestion
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