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in. i would say that maybe we should slow down in our consumption of what is going on out there. >> right. ed yong, who wrote a great piece and put on a very very smart tie in quarantine tonight, which i appreciate. thank you, ed. >> thank you. that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. i want to thank you, my friend, for the segment that you did tonight, about the escape from the lab hypothesis. and how it makes no sense either factually or politically. the point you are making about how politically, it's insane to be making up that particular story, is something that has been driving me nuts and you are the first person who actually articulated it, thank you. >> well, thank you very much. it is a, such a tantalizing phrase, they can't help themselves because escape from a lab, it has dystopian feel to it because there is no sense from
escape from a lab. >> no, "a" it is not proven, so nobody should be saying it let alone the seth of the state or the president, but to their own political point, it is defeating. anyway, as always, you have mastered the facts and made things make sense for me. thank you. >> appreciate that. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy to have you with us. so the american correspondence epidemic is now approaching, coronavirus epidemic is now approaching 1.2 million confirmed cases and well over 68,000, nearly 69,000 deaths. which means the epidemic in our country is more than five times larger than the epidemic in any other country on earth. that said, in the one state in our country where more americans have died than any other, at least thus far, there have been some sort of positive touch stones that have been hit over the past few day, some good moments, and the javi it.
z center, the gigantic con skren, convention center in new york city that was a geeld hospital to take overflow from new york city hospitals, they have closed it down, they have treated over a thousand patients there at the javits center, they have closed it down, the fdny and bab pipers were on-site to cheer for the closing which feels like a real blessing. the u.s. navy hospital ship comfort has closed up its new york operations and has set sail. it has started the return trip to its home port in northern virginia. after that ship treated hundreds of overflow hospital patients while floating in new york harbor. also, the pop-up hospital in central park that was built to take overflow patients from the mount sinai hospital system, as of today, that central park pop-up hospital is not going to be taking in any further patients. we understand that they've apparently still got some small number of patients there, but they are not admitting any new
ones anymore, with an eye toward closing down that facility as well. that was all, all three of those entities were emergency surge capacity for new york, right? well, new york is passed that point, in a way that feels fairly stable, specifically in new york. cases and hospitalizations and deaths all now declining, in what appears to be a stable way. and that is great. it gives you hope, to see those facilities, closed down, because they are not needed, because new york has the hospital capacity it needs to handle the remaining challenges of the epidemic. i also want to show you something that new york's governor andrew cuomo said today, when he fielded questions on nursing homes, where in new york, like everywhere, the case numbers and the death numbers are still staggering. watch what he said here. >> we're doing everything we can. the nursing homes, we're working very hard. we also announced an investigation with the attorney general, and the department of
health, to make sure the nursing homes are doing what they need to do. many of them are privately run, but the state can regulate them. they have to notify families, et cetera. so we're doing an investigation on that. but remember the basic premise of the nursing home. the nursing home can only accept or keep a patient if, if they can provide adequate care for that patient. if they have a covid patient, or noncovid patient, but they can't provide adequate care for that person, it is their obligation to transfer the person. if they can't find a place to transfer the person, it is their obligation to call the state department of health, and the state department of health will transfer the person. we have facilities for covid nursing home residents.
we have some facilities that are just for covid-positive nursing home residents. so we have those facilities available. if a nursing home can't care for a covid resident, call the department of health, the department of health will transfer the patient. period. >> we have those facilities available. if a nursing home in new york state, cannot care for a covid-19 positive resident, call the state department of health. the state department of health will transfer the patient. period. no state has figured out yet how to focus enough resources and enough attention and enough help and enough focus on nursing homes and long-term care facilities, to keep those facilities from being the riskiest place in america, when it comes to american lives at risk from this virus. but what governor cuomo of new york is saying here today, is, it's qualitatively different
than some stuff you have heard in other states. it is qualitatively different than a state just declaring nursing homes to be a priority or a state announcing, you know, state forces that will tackle nursing home problems and also about getting testing into every nursing home and that is important but this is different. the department of state, is taking on the responsibility to get this done themselves when the nursing homes can't. they have set up nursing home units, specifically for people with coronavirus. if the facility, the facility out in new york state, can't care for a specific coronavirus patient, quote, the state department of health will take them. the nursing home cannot care for a covid patient, call the department of health, and the state will transfer the patient. we have those facilities available. i mean i don't know if this will be the best idea either. but this shows taking it to another level.
this is another way, and another level of commitment to try to tackle this problem. which is good. and it shows new york as a state continuing to innovate. in terms of the thorniest parts of this crisis, even as they have dealt with the largest numbers of hospitalization and death in the country, inspiration are the cure to despair and we need innovation when it comes to the issue of nursing homes and the number of americans who are at risk and dying in them. so seeing that at work, seeing innovation, seeing a new level of commitment, we will take responsibility. we have set up those facilities. seeing that work in the scariest most dangerous, most risky part of this ep demdic, that is good. i found that heartening. that is good. and here's the bad. you might remember these projections. you've seen a lot of them just in tv news, maybe in the newspaper as well, i've certainly seen them online, this
is the very user-friendly very easy-to-understand projection model created at the university of washington at the institute for health metrics and evaluation. >> this institute at the university of washington has been doing modeling that has been really central for weeks now to our own national expectations of what we're going through, and how long it will last, and how bad it will ultimately get. these projections from this one entity at the university of washington have been really popular, really widely used and widely cited. they do nationwide protections. they also do them state by state, and because their interface online is so easy to use, it is sort of addictive to look at individual states, to click through for all of the states where you have family and where you have friends, to see where they are in their curve and when it is going to be the worse and how they're doing overall. this has also been a very useful tool for policy makers because this university of washington model, predicts not just how many deaths and hospitalizations and infections you're likely to
have in any particular state, it predicts when that's going to happen. when the peak will happen. peak hospitalization. right? peak death. that's helpful in terms of planning for hospital utilization, right? when and weather your state might need say a pop-up field hospital, or a convention center conversion by the army corps of engineers or a visit from one of our navy hospital ships. it's helpful to know that stuff so you can put a date on when it's going to be the worst. new york has passed its worst and sent some of the surge capacity back to where it came from. helpful to have this for planning with not just numbers but projected dates this. university of washington model in particular has also had a lot of national attention because it has been repeatedly showcased by the trump administration, by the white house, by the coronavirus task force, with its rotating cast of people who happen momentarily to be in favor with the president. in early april, this university
of washington model was the projection that said that by the first week in august, the total u.s. death toll would be 60,000 deaths. well, it didn't take us until the first week of august to get to 60,000 dead. we hit that before the end of april. at the very end of april, april 29th, the university of washington model was revised, to project that it would now be more like 74,000 american deaths by the first week in august. well, it's only the first week in may, and we're already over 68,000, nearly 69,000, so clearly, that seems wrong, too. i mean that was all of this month, and all of june, and all of july stretching out before us, we won't have to wait until the first week of august to get to 74,000 dead. but here's the thing. this model from the university of washington, it's not nuts. i mean it has repeatedly projected death numbers for the united states that are too optimistic. in terms of the american epidemic.
for sure. it's hard not to conclude that that's part of why the white house kept talking about this model so much. the president likes happy talk about how everything is going great, and the virus will soon magically disappear, right? so models that predict a lower death toll than what we're actually experiencing, he can't resist that and apparently neither can the people who he inviting up to the podium that say things that make him happy. that model, as i said, it's not nuts. it's a serious thing. the institute for health metrics and evaluation at the university of washington, which has been making these projection, they have been totally open and transparent about their methodology and about the underlying assumptions for their model. and it turns out one of their really important underlying assumptions for that model was that people in the united states would stay home to stop the spread of the virus, that all states would put those stay at home rules in effect, that those stay at home rules would be kept in place, as long as they needed to be in place. and that people would abide by those rules. that was the assumption that led
to them projecting 60 or 70,000 deaths. that was a basic assumption baked into their projections. well, not anymore. today, this university of washington group has unveiled what they are calling the ihme, the institute for health metrics and evaluation, the ihme, covid-19 model 2.0. in which, among other things, they start assuming that the united states will actually do what is needed to stop the spread of the virus. they are no longer rose-colored glasses, assuming, but there will be consistent coherent leadership in this country that establishes consistent coherent stay-at-home orders that people are consistently coherently required to follow. they are no longer assuming therefore that americans will abide by the stay at home rules. since we're not doing that, they need to stop assuming that's what we'll do, or they'll never have numbers that are anywhere close to accurate. the director of the institute
that does this modeling explained to reporters today that quote, the primary reason for the increase in their new projection, in terms of the american death toll, is that many states have prematurely relaxed social distancing. quote, for the first time, dr. murray explained, the model is factoring in data from four different cell phone providers showing a major uptick in americans going out in public. this rise in mobility in the last week or ten days is likely leading to an increase in transmission. and so bottom line, because we are screwing this up so badly, as a matter of public policy, because we as a country are screwing this up so badly, in terms of our political leadership, and the, you know, the hear no evil, see no evil, speak plenty of evil, encouragement, about everything needs to open back up right now, no matter what, right, because of, because of that. because of what we are doing.
because of the political mishandling of the public health imperatives of this crisis. because of what we are doing wrong. even this optimistic forecast that the white house has liked so much over the past couple of months, now, they are nearly doubling their projection of the number of americans who will be dead from this thing by the first week in august. their projection is no longer it will be 74,000 of us dead by the first week in august. they're now projecting it will be 134,000 of us dead. and again, that's by the first week in august. and forgive me, but that projection, that updated projection, that horrible almost updated projection, may still be optimistic, given what the institute explains about their revised assumptions now. they are no longer assuming that we're going to have stay-at-home orders, and do social distancing, and abide by those things, because we're not, so they shouldn't assume those
things anymore, but they are now assuming that we will have, quote, rising testing and contact tracing, that will, in the words of the institute's director put the brakes on transmission. so they're no longer assuming we have stay-at-home orders because we don't, but they are assuming that testing will ramp up and contact tracing will ramp up and that's the way we will stop transmission. raise your hand if you think nationally we are going to really soon have access to easy testing for everyone. and really well organized contact tracing all over the country. raise your hand if you think this white house is going to lead us to that bright future, in time to put the brakes on transmission, through shear public health investment and competence in government. and that will result in us only having -- well, i don't even want to
say it. here's something you should
know. i mentioned that this university of washington projection has been a favorite of the trump administration. i think it's impossible not to suppose that that's potentially at least related to the fact that this model has had a projected american death toll that has been much lower than some other projections and the president as i said likes happy talk about this virus. let me show you something. here is a screen shot from the cdc's web site as of yesterday. this is courtesy of the good folks at the internet archive, the way-back machine. this, as of yesterday, is the cdc's coronavirus resources page, where they list a whole bunch of different projections and models that they respect and you might want to look at and you can see that the university of washington model, the institute for health metrics and evaluation model that i've just been talking about, it is right there on the cdc web site right prominent place on top. that was yesterday. today is the day they upped the projected death toll for the united states from 74,000 to
134,000 dead americans. today is also presto the day the cdc dropped this model from their list of models that you should look at. for weeks now, they have been promoting this model, showcasing it, talking about it in the white house briefing room, a prominent place on the cdc web site, now that model doesn't say we will have 74,000 deaths, now we will have more than 130,000 deaths so they have just take continue
off the web site don't. look at that anymore. it's so, it's pitiful, right? and it is one thing to see the white house pulling stuff like this. but this is the cdc. who we should be able to count on. right? you're supposed to be data-driven. you're supposed to be science-driven. if their there's bad news in the science, you're supposed to be willing to tell us the bad news, so we can compare and try to change course. "the new york times" is also first to report today, on an internal document, inside the trump administration, with the
cdc's logo on it, a document the cdc is now apparently disavowing, which actually has a worse projection now than the new terrible university of washington projection. in that university of washington model, they're saying, by june 1st, less than a month from right now, our daily death toll in this country will be 890 deaths a day. while the other internal projection reported today by "the new york times" says that by june 1st, we won't be at 800 and something deaths per day, we will be at 3,000 deaths per day, which is nearly double what we're at right now. and we'll be there in less than a month. this internal document that has the cdc's logo on it also says that from the 25,000 new cases we're getting each day, we're going to go up to 175,000 new cases a day. which honestly is just sort of terrifying thinking about the next month. remember, when mike pence said like last week this whole thing will be over by memorial day? he said the whole thing will be in our rearview mirror by
memorial day which is later this month. i mean inside the trump administration, they're projecting privately that we'll be at 3,000 deaths a day, a week after memorial day. with no decline in sight. for context, we're at about 1750 deaths.er day on average right now. that internal document for the trump administration says it will be 1750 deaths on average, today, to 3,000 a day, inside a month. lori garrett, the pulitzer prize winning science journalist who helped sound the alarm on this crisis almost before anyone else, she said this online in terms of these new projections in terms of helping our lay folk understand what this all means. she says quote, new infection rates will soar in may and june, the new case projections put great increases across the prairie states, from the dakotas, down to the deep south. much of the u.s. covid-19 crisis will shift from new york, new jersey, california, washington, urban centers, to rural counties. quote, it's quite striking how
closely the cdc's projections for increased covid cases mirror the locations of america's meat packing industry, which is currently slammed by covid spread. the new cdc forecast also shows surges ahead in areas that have reported covid outbreaks in nursing homes. quote, it seems that prior reckons, grossly underestimated the scale of focused outbreaks in meat packing, assisted living centers, prisons and the likelihood of community covid spread from these facilities. yes. that is what it seems like to me, too. we had a huge epidemic in new york and that has led to a very big and sustained epidemic in the tri-state area of new york, new jersey, connecticut. that's for real. that has been the start of the american epidemic. but now we see large outbreaks all over the country. close your eyes. drink three beers and throw a dart. anywhere in the country that has nursing homes, meat packing facilities, other large
processing plants, where people have been at work, prisons and jails, they're everywhere, and that means we're seeing outbreaks in those kind of facilities, everywhere. and those outbreaks in those kinds of facilities don't stay inside those facilities. because people go in and out of them every day, and they eventually become community outbreaks in all of the places where those things are. and those things are off the beaten path, in all sorts of states. and i mean the data bears it out. here's the new update on "the new york times" today, of which metro area in the country has the most new cases per capita. most new cases in the country per capita, number one, sioux city, iowa, number two, gallup, new mexico, number three, grand island, nebraska, number four, pine bluff, arkansas. number five, marion, ohio. number six, waterloo, cedar falls, iowa. that's where the american coronavirus epidemic is the worst right now. and growing the fastest. taking off like a rocket ship. and no, that's not, those aren't american metropolises. that's just regular hometown
heartland america where this thing is now growing the fastest and you can see these kind of patterns in the local press before you can necessarily see them in the confirmed data. in the texas panhandle today, local officials invited in the federal government, to please come help with a surge of coronavirus cases, tied to meat packing plants in the texas panhandle. in moore county texas, there is a huge jbs meat processing plant that as of a week ago had over 150 million infections but they don't stay in the plant, they don't stay in the county where the plant is, dependsing how people are traveling to and from the workplace. it turns out a lot of people who work at that big jbs meat processing plant in texas live over the oklahoma state line. so even that work site crisis in moore county, texas, is becoming a problem for the state of oklahoma because that's where the worker goes home to. that said, at the same time, oklahoma has their own outbreak
at their own meat packing plant in their own oklahoma panhandle. more than 100 cases confirmed among workers at a single pork processing plant in giymon oklahoma, just due north of amarillo texas. seaboard foot foods, 116 cases. plant is still up and running. 127 employees there. in missouri, in st. joseph, missouri, where local officials have been agitating to open everything up, as soon as possible, they just tested everybody the at the local pork plant in st. joseph, run by triumph foods, 373 workers at that plant tested positive. 373 positive. all of them asymptomatic. which tells you why you can't just test people who have symptoms. not at meat packing plants. not at nursing homes. you can't rely on symptom-driven testing. not if you're actually trying to find people who are infected, and stop them from going into those facilities, to keep them from being in contact with people who aren't infected, who will soon get infected, either in their nursing home, where
they live, or where they work, or in the plant where they work. you can't rely on symptom testing. you have to test people who haven't symptomatic. everybody tested positive at that plant in missouri is asymptomatic. but what are the odds that meat packing plants will be testing everybody? asymptomatic or not? what are the odds that every state will be able to test everybody in every nursing home, living and working there? what are the odds. the testing is still a catastrophe in this country. and you can tell, because they're not testing. in new mexico, i just mentioned gallup, new mexico, they've got one of the worst emerging outbreaks on the planet in that part of new mexico. well, the state correction system, in new mexico says publicly, at least, whoo, new mexicans don't have to worry about an outbreak in their priss prisons there, new mexico has 6,000 people in the state prison, and a terrible outbreak in the community in new mexico and the state corrections authority says they have zero cases among state prisoners. well, of their 6,000-plus state
prisoners, new mexico has tested a grand total of eight of them. eight. that is not a typo. it's not 80. it's not 800. eight. so yes, it appears that there's no problem in new mexico. they've got no positive tests. because they're not testing. because in most places in the country, they're not testing. and even the places where they're testing, they're not testing enough. because there aren't enough tests. because the federal government never got it together and they still haven't. but open everything up. sure. as the outbreak moves into a very scary and what looks to be a sustained phase, where the american case numbers and the american death numbers stay three feet high and rising, and it is not driven by one state, it's not driven by new york, it's not driven by the tri-state area around new york, it's now driven by those, i mean those numbers are, you know, fairly stable at this point. the numbers are going up. the numbers are what they are. the american epidemic is what it
is right now. because the case numbers and the death numbers and the hopization numbers, are being driven not by one place but by the whole rest of the country all over the place. where we've got sizable outbreaks in specific kinds of facilities that are creating community outbreaks all over america. nursing homes. meat processing plants. prisons and jails. and all over the place. where we've got those things, the continued lack of access to testing, particularly for those populations, means we are nationally living in la la land when it comes to taking measures to slow this thing down. and so we're not taking measures to slow this thing down. and so we are looking at doubling death rate projections, even among the models that the white house likes the best because they've been shiny happy talk so far. our access to testing is bad enough that the united states senate came back in session today, and the senators didn't even get tested before they all got together in the capital. why is that? because we still have to triage testing in this country.
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we think it's safe to be here right now? >> no. >> i'm learning more about the janitors and all of the people who are coming to work, i'm learning about them, and i think this is pretty much what is happening right now. >> i wish we were back to deal with covid-related relief. >> i think we need to be working on the next stimulus package.
but i think we can do that by working together. working in our own offices. there's no need to be collectively here. >> for reasons that nobody has been able to explain very well, the whole united states senate returned to the capital today, the majority of senators that you saw there, wearing masks when they returned. others not so much. returning senators were encouraged but not required to wear masks at the capital. it was only delaware senator tom carper who opted to keep his mask on while delivering his floor speech today. over the weekend, in a rare display of bipartisan bicameral unity, house speaker nancy pelosi and the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell, rejected a white house offer to give on the spot rapid response coronavirus testing to all of the representatives and senators as they came back to the capitol. mcconnell and pelosi rejected that offer from the white house, saying that those limited very
in demand tests should be reserved for front line medical workers and not given to members of congress instead, because we still have such terrible access to testing in this country, that we have to make those kinds of decisions, we have to triage access to testing like that, even for our legislature. so no testing for the returning senators before they were summoned back to capitol hill today. senators will only receive a test if they show symptoms, which is terrible policy, because people can be infectious without showing symptoms. but yet, they're back today. senator mcconnell, insists that the senate needed to reconvene today, because of the republicans' agenda of confirming white house nominees and judges. as for the pandemic, you heard senator blumenthal say there, i wish we were back to deal with covid-related relief. that's not what they're back to work on. and in fact, the white house told lawmakers today that members of the coronavirus task force will not be permitted to testify to congress this whole
month unless directly cleared by the white house chief of staff which is a very weird thing. after
a quick response from the democratic leader in the senate chuck schumer who said quote, president trump should learn that by muzz ling science and the truth, it will only prolong this health and economic crisis. joinings now for the interview tonight is the top democrat in the united states senate new york senior senator chuck schumer. thank you for taking the time to be here tonight. >> good evening, rachel. >> let me ask you first about what i just mentioned there. this white house notification today that members of the administration's coronavirus task force won't be allowed to testify at any time this entire month unless the white house chief of staff gives a permission slip. it's to me, it strikes me as a strange sort of proclamation, i wonder if this is something you expected, or if this is a surprise to you. >> well, it's not surprising, because donald trump and his
administration, by and large, have just shied away from the truth. they don't want to admit the reality. president trump said a month ago, every american who wants a test can get a test. well, obviously, that is not even close to true. and you know, rachel, the longer they don't admit the truth, they don't, and the longer they don't admit to, listen to the scientists, the longer this crisis is going to last. and even worse, it's more likely to come back a second and third time. so frankly, this president, who only looks out for himself, is even hurting himself, by shying away, by putting his head in the sand, by not admitting the truth. we democrats, you're right, we came back today, so mitch mcconnell could confirm a right-wing, very divisive judge, a judge who even said that the chief justice was wrong when he didn't get rid of the aca, even at a time when people are desperate for health care, and that's why we're coming back. it's unbelievable.
there is nothing on the floor this week about covid. we asked mcconnell, at least to have hearings, and bring up, so they could get real questions, not, you know, when a reporter asks them a question, or ask the president or one of his people at the white house, the president cuts them off. in a hearing like this, a real focused hearing, you could ask question after question, and we ask that fauci and birx and mnuchin and powell and others all come forward. we don't have that here, those hearings this week. now they say they may have fouc fauci next week but who can believe that given what mark meadows said and they pulled him away from the house. by not telling the truth, by not hearing the truth, by not listening to scientists, they are prolonging this crisis, they are prolonging how bad the economy will be, they are prolonging the agony of this country. does it surprise me? no. does it upset me? a lot.
>> senator, given what you have been called back to do, as you say you're not dealing with what the country is facing now, you're confronting controversial judge picks and things like that, given that is why you're all potentially sacrificing your health, coming back to work in aggregate at the u.s. capitol, without actually having you and all of your staff tested before coming into that environment, which is something that does happen at the white house for anybody who comes into contact with the president. >> yes. >> i'm worried about you and your colleagues, you are, with all due respect, an older group, you have, you have to have interaction with a lot -- >> young at heart. young at heart. >> it does feel scary to me though, that you're all there. is there concern among your colleagues? >> yes, and some of my, each colleague has made his or her own choice. whether they can best serve their constituents by staying home, or coming. and that choice, i respect, in every colleague. but we're here right now, to force mcconnell, and the republicans, to do the job that
we're supposed to do. pass new covid legislation. we haven't heard a peep out of mcconnell other than these lines in the sand for his ideological issues. we are not going to give aid to state and local governments. he first said let them go bankrupt. now he's saying we have to exempt the corporate leadership from liability. that means if a corporate, a head of a company, said you have to sit next to someone who has all the signs of covid, without ppe, you can't sue that boss. that encourages bad bosses to do just that. that's all he is doing. so i'm here to force them, as best i can, to do real oversight, that's part of congress' responsibility, and to come up with things, like money for state and local governments, like heroes pay for the people who are on the front lines, like getting money for housing relief, for people who, after three months, will be kicked out of their homes. and that is something that he is not doing. why he called us back here,
given the agenda, is befud ling, even to many of my republican colleagues. >> senator, in terms of the what the senate can do right now and i can hear and see your frustration with the republican leader in terms of how he is organizing the time and the priorities of senate right now, but i know that senate democrats for example, put together a detailed plan about trying to fix the testing disaster in this country. >> yes. >> i know that the senate democrats have talked in detail about what needs to happen different in terms of the financial relief and how it's been directed and now in some cases it has been misdirected to the kinds of companies that were not supposed to get small business aid, but nevertheless took the lion share of it. do you have the opportunity to work on those things, at all? even as a caucus? even if senator mcconnell isn't allowing those things -- >> yes. >> -- to be driving the floor agenda? >> the last two bills show that. covid 3 and covid 3.5.
mcconnell came on the floor with a corporate bill in the first 3, and we forced him to do state and local aid, we forced him to do aid to hospital, we forced him to do aid to small business. on testing they resisted, but in the covid 3.5, we forced them to put in $25 billion for testing, $11 billion to go to the states so they could do testing and could do contact tracing and the rest to the federal government, so they could actually provide the supply lines that are needed, and the manufacturing that are needed to make the most tests. so when we confront mcconnell, we usually win. and that's because, often though we're a minority, the public is on our side, and loot t of thos republican senator, some up for re-election, some not, eventually come over to our side, and we've had success in bill three. not everything, believe you me, but making it a lot better than when we started and i believe we will have the same success as we roll up our sleeves and get to work on covid 4, the next bill.
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through the detection of viruses in the sewer. wastewater monitoring could provide early warnings of outbreaks. quote, measuring viruses in wastewater in effect tests an entire city or region at once. while only some people may get tested for the coronavirus, on a given day, everyone uses the toilet. so far the results are promising. quote after the netherlands saw the first confirmed case february 27th, researchers found the virus in the sewers of amsterdam. and researchers then went to remolt towns without any known cases of covid, and they discovered the coronavirus up to six days before the first confirmed cases were found there. the sewer told them six days in advance with proper testing data. quote, as the confirmed cases of covid-19 have gone up, in amsterdam, and tutrercht they have found more in the waste water. similar results out of australia
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the headline is irresisti e irresistible. is it safe to come out of lockdown? check the sewer. that's exactly the type of data we are looking for right now with on going problems about access to testing in this country, is this an alternative that could give us the data we need to make good public health decisions without having to wait for our government to get it together when it comes to testing. joining us now is ally bame a professor of civil and environmental study of the detectable prevalence in covid-19 waste water. pleasure to have you here. thanks for taking time to be here. >> thank you for having me. >> let me ask you if i have
mischaracterized what you're working on or looking at this the wrong way in terms of explaining this. >> no, you're explaining it perfectly. our aspiration is to create a way to measure sewage to ensure prevalence in the sewer shed in the community that uses the showers in that watershed. >> i know this is going to sound like i'm jumping right to the end but i'm trying to figure out if this is something that we should be not thinking about, is this expensive to do, b, is it technically difficult to do? >> it's hard to answer that question because expensive to an environmental engineer may not be expensive to the state of
california. i don't think it's particularly expensive. it's relatively easy to sample the waste water treatment plants and the type of analysis we do are routinely done in environmental micro biology labs around the country and environmental engineering lab. theoretically it's not technically different and make the measurements all the time. we measure viruses in the environment. we're focused on viruses that give you diarrhea and cause you to vomit, but the types of analysis we have to do for the sars virus are similar to the ones we do for other viruses. >> could we or should we imagine near term public health future in which this data, this approach to prevalence testing, testing at the water treatment plant could be focused enough that an individual state or
individual county could use this kind of information to find out if public policy changes that they've made have increased or decreased the prevalence in as you call it the sewer shed in their area, can it be pinpointed that well? >> we hope that it can. our goal at least with our project here at stanford is to get a tool ready to use in the next six months, so that's our goal and we're working very hard towards it, and i think our entire community of environmental engineers around the world actually and you mentioned some of the places earlier in the netherlands and spain and switzerland, australia, japan, china were all working together to try to get this tool so that it can be used in the very near term and i think we all recognize the urgency of getting this tool working within the next few months, if that's possible.
>> professor of civil and enva mental engineering at stanford university. god speed to you and your team and all of your colleagues around the world who have worked on this, if this can come to fruition, particularly as you said in a matter of months, it could be huge in terms of what we can understand and how we can better plan for what to do here. thanks for helping us understand it this evening. good luck. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. >> all right we'll be right back. stay with us for a bit, but you're not alone. we're automatically refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. learn more at libertymutual.com/covid-19. [ piano playing ] that family doesn't have to take out of their house. it relieves stress off of me to let me know i'm doing something good for the community, not just papa john's.
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