tv Andrea Mitchell Reports MSNBC July 16, 2020 9:00am-10:00am PDT
good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the number of coronavirus cases is continuing to surge out of control, reaching more than 3.5 million confirmed cases in the u.s. president trump trying to distance himself from his top trade adviser peter navarro's column in "usa today" that blasted dr. anthony fauci. despite multiple reports that navarro and the president are actually in sync on the attack. dr. fauci now responding to the white house smear campaign. >> it is a bit bizarre. i don't really fully understand it. if you talk to reasonable people in the white house, they realize that was a major mistake on their part because it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. and i don't think that that was their intention. i don't know. i cannot figure out in my
wildest dreams why they would want to do that. i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself. >> here are the facts at this hour. in georgia, republican governor brian kemp is overruling mayors in georgia who have ordered mandatory masks in their cities, despite the public health guidelines. the nation's largest retailer walmart will require shoppers to wear masks starting monday at all its stores and sam's clubs. moments ago target and cvs announcing they will also require masks in their stores. and alabama becomes the latest state to require mask wearing after governor kay ivey issued a sweeping order requiring masks to be worn in public. this as there is a major shake-up now in president trump's campaign. just four months before the election, campaign manager brad parscale is being bemode demote replaced by bill stepien.
and joe biden is surging ahead of donald trump with a double digit lead over donald trump with registered voters, both nationally and in battleground states. we'll dig into all those numbers shortly. plus the head of the national governors association, maryland's republican governor larry hogan who had some sharp words for the president today, he'll be joining us later as well. joining me now is nbc's blayne alexander from atlanta. blayne, it's talk about this decision by governor kemp to forbid mayors and county leaders from ordering face coverings around the state. what's the reaction there, especially from atlanta's mayor? >> reporter: well, the reaction for those local leaders who have already put those measures into place, not very happy. i spoke with the mayor's office, atlanta mayor's office earlier today. they said despite the governor's order, their mask ordinance here locally is going to remain in place. a spokesperson from her office essentially said they're going
to continue to use science and data to drive their decisions and adding, masks save lives. let's talk about the governor's decision around this. really this kind of is very much in line with what he's been saying all along, andrea, saying that local municipalities are not able to put in place actions or orders that are more restrictive than what he has mandated statewide. he said that he believes that mandating masks are what he calls a bridge too far. he says ohe believes it's unenforceable. but what he does with this order last night is essentially put that into writing as regards masks for the very first time. when i spoke to you yesterday, andrea, we were talking about the fact that those covid guidelines here in the state of georgia were set to expire at midnight, midnight overnight, if the governor did not extend those. this order extends those, but in so doing it puts those restrictions into place when it comes to local leaders. so you asked about how they're responding. i think a tweet from the mayor of savannah certainly says it very clearly.
he says this, quote, it is officially official, governor kemp does not give a damn about us, every man and women for himself or herself. savannah, atlanta, athens, the home of university of georgia, all of those were places that either had put in place or were planning to put in place their own mask ordinances, andrea. >> what a conflict. thank you so much, blayne alexander from atlanta. and alarming new information about the number of children impacted by covid-19 in one of the few studies about children and the virus' impact on kids. in florida, nearly one-third of children who were tested for the virus tested positive. and a south florida health official is worried this could cause lifelong damage. joining me now is nbc's kerry sanders from miami beach. kerry, take us behind the numbers because these are really disturbing. >> reporter: these numbers are incredibly disturbing, because we have been led to believe that children, those under the age of 18, while we have seen some
deaths and we have certainly seen some children get sick, that they are not a primary group that we need to worry about. but these numbers in florida are showing that indeed they are a group to worry about, because, think about this, kids may be going back to school as early as the middle of next month here in florida. and if one-third of the kids tested are testing positive, that means they're going to school but more importantly, they're coming home to their parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and potentially asymptomatically passing this virus on to a population that is more susceptible to it. so when we look at the numbers here, we see, as you can see on the screen with the numbers, a real concern. and then, andrea, when we look at what's going on in the state of florida, today the numbers that have just been released, again, these are lagging numbers, one day behind, the positive tests are in excess of 13,000. and as you look over the past
week or so, the numbers from 15,000, dropping just a little bit, but now climb back up, sort of a small "u" that's taking place there with the graph. all of it is not a good sign as florida has very well become the epicenter of coronavirus in our country, andrea. >> and we've seen also a lot of concerns about the way numbers are kept and distributed. the statistics in florida, there have been a lot of anomalies there. governor desantis has said that schools are reopening. he's not bending on that, given this warning, this ominous warning about children and their positive rates? >> reporter: well, the governor says that the schools are opening. but we have 67 counties in the state of florida. and the school districts are independent. they have a school board, superintendents, and those decisions are made ultimately at the local level, which is kind of interesting, that the governor is saying the schools are going to open, because this is the same governor who has
said he does not want to have uniform rules for the state, he doesn't want to be the governor who orders everything for the state, he wants the locals to make the decision, and now local politicians are making decisions and he's telling them, yes, i want the schools to open. but as you look at the numbers here in dade county where i am, miami-dade county, the positive rates are at about 28 to 30%, which is why you can hear the mayor here say, i'm not sure we're going to be able to open those schools, whatever the governor says. >> in the next few weeks, if something is not done to dramatically alter our source, we could be in a more dire situation than what we're in. >> reporter: andrea, so many questions, but really it all circles back to the rate of return on these tests that are coming back. and at 13,000 plus just in the last 24 hours, there's no indication that florida has coronavirus in any way under control. >> that's for sure.
thanks so very much, kerry. dr. ashish jha is fortunately with us for some answers, scientific answers to all these problems which have now become political problems between governors, school leaders, as well as mayors and other local leaders. first of all, let's talk about what's happening. this one set of results from palm beach county about children, do we think this is reliable? is this a warning for elsewhere, that besides the kawasaki syndrome, there is a real problem about test results coming back positive for kids. >> yes, so andrea, thank you for having me on. i would say a couple of things about kids and where we are. those numbers are very high. and higher than we've seen in many other places. i don't question that they're real. but here is how i think about kids in general. people have been making a big deal about the fact that they
get sick less often than older adults. and that's true, and that is a good thing, it's a silver lining. but it's not the same thing as saying kids never get sick at all. what we're learning is sometimes kids do get sick from this virus. in general, as a parent of three kids, i have to tell you, and i'm looking at the science, i don't want to be that cavalier that it's no big deal at all for kids because i think for many kids it may be an important issue to consider. >> what metrics would you look at before deciding whether or not to reopen in-class schooling for our children, toddlers as well as teenagers? >> this is a source of some frustration for me, because i think we have a pretty good scientific approach to how to open up schools. it just feels like we're not -- we just can't seem to gather up the political will to try to do this. the two sets of things that are needed, one is you have to suppress the level of virus in the community. florida, like most of it, probably cannot pull it off just
because of the level of virus. second is you've got to get the schools ready. you have to put in ventilation, spacing, distancing. there's a lot to do here. but i feel like we're kind of failing our kids, we're punting and just letting schools close down for the fall, when i was hoping we would put in the hard work to actually get schools to open safely. >> we've got a staggering number of covid-19 cases around the country now. what steps would you take to deal with this? >> andrea, so we really have three sets of kind of states in my mind. we have states that are neck-deep in covid. those are the floridas and texases and arizonas. he think they need a statewide shutdown, a shelter in place, no indoor gatherings, definitely mask-wearing, and we definitely have to increase testing.
the ones that are kind of ankle deep, that are in good shape, better shape, they need to be careful about not letting any outbreaks out of control. for the ones in the hot zones, i am very worried that if we don't act aggressively now, it's going to be a lot of people getting sick and dying over the upcoming weeks and months. >> dr. redfield from the cdc said that if everybody wore masks, in four to eight weeks we could bring the pandemic under control. is that overly optimistic? >> look, i have been a big advocate of face masks in the last couple of months as the evidence comes in. i think we should all be wearing face masks. they make an important difference. whether they alone will bring the pandemic to a close seems very optimistic for me, the data isn't quite there for that. but that doesn't mean it's not a huge help, it absolutely is and everybody ought to be doing it. >> how concerned are you about the fact that the cdc is now being cut out of getting the hospital data and instead it's
going to hhs which is notably more political? >> you know, we're in the middle of like the biggest pandemic in a century. we have tens of thousands of americans getting sick and thousands dying almost on a daily basis. we need good data. and cdc has been the perfect source, the best source -- "perfect," they've had some shortcomings, but they've been the best source of this data. to cut them out at this moment doesn't make sense to me. if they're not performing well, let's fix them, let's make them better. but to create a whole other infrastructure doesn't make sense to me in the middle of a penal. >> what concerns do you have about the political attacks, i would call it a smear campaign, against tony fauci? >> you know, it's really funny, tony is the most respected physician in america, the most respected scientist in america. my general feeling has been, it's really pathetic that people
are trying to smear him. it makes them look bad. it doesn't do any harm to tony fauci. it does harm america if he is less engaged and less able to help us get through this. the idea that anybody could smear tony fauci to me is absurd. he is impeccable in his intellectual and personal integrity. >> dr. sha, it's always great to see you, thank you very much for taking time today, we appreciate it. a president without a plan? mr. trump's handling of the coronavirus crisis is also putting his campaign in crisis. will a new campaign manager help? and the republican governor of maryland calling out president trump's response to the coronavirus, calling it hopeless. governor larry hogan will be right here, ahead. stay with us. right here, ahead. stay with us (vo) audi e-tron. the next frontier of electric. get an exceptional offer at your local audi dealer. ♪ ♪
the spread. no plan to reopen schools. no plan to ramp up testing. no plan for contact tracing, essential for schools and the economy to get moving again. this as the president demotes his campaign manager, brad parscale, overnight, appointing bill stepien to take over. kristen welker and ashley parker join us. kristen, there is a move by the campaign to promote stepien and demote parscale. who is running what? >> andrea, there had been so much criticism of brad parscale particularly in the wake of the tulsa rally where he overpromised and underdelivered. remember, he said they had gotten over a million responses. the president was left feeling as though that rally wasn't
handled properly, didn't go off as planned, and that there needed to be a shift. the question is was bill stepien going to work around him, simply circumvent brad parscale or ultimately be elevated? we got our answer overnight. bill stepien is a longtime adviser to president trump, he's worked on the campaign, and of course he's a former campaign manager for former new jersey governor chris christie and he was mired in the bridgegate scandal. so he is no stranger to tough politics. but the question is, what happens next and will there really be a big messaging shift, because by all accounts, it's jared kushner who continues to really be in charge of the campaign. according to our reporting, he is the one who broke the news to brad parscale and he continues to be at the helm. the chief criticism of this president right now is that his messaging has fallen flat, he's failed to land a punch on joe biden, that he needs to focus more on drawing a contrast when
it comes to policies, that he needs to do a better job of laying out why he should have four more years in office and what he plans to do not only to fight the coronavirus, but to get the economy back on track. and his aides and allies say so far he's failed to do that. will the president listen, will he be engaged in a reboot? that's the real question that looms large at this hour, andrea. >> and ashley, you wrote in "the washington post" today about there not being a plan for the coronavirus. to me it's stunning that after all these months, the president and his closest advisers, maybe it's just the president, don't seem to understand that unless they get their arms around the virus, they aren't going to be able to get the economy going, which is key to the reelection campaign. so until they have a plan for that -- but they don't have a plan. we'll be interviewing governor hogan later who lays this out in really sharp detail in "the washington post," in his op-ed today. what is their plan? >> first, your point is exactly
right, this is actually one of these instances where doing a good job governing and getting the virus under control is the solution to everything else. it's the solution to the president's political problems and it's the solution to getting the economy up and running. there is no overarching federal plan. it is sort of a patchwork that is very reactive. just to give you one example, let's take the question of schools. there is no plan to get the schools reopened. but the reason the president suddenly turned his focus to that was his economists said, if you want to get the economy back to work, we need to have kids in schools because you have parents who can't be full members of the workforce when they're also having to parent and home school their children. but then again, instead of coming up with a specific, detailed plan, giving monies to the states, offering fair guidelines on how to get the schools reopened, the president simply said, we want the economy back so the schools need to be reopened. but there's no way to do it. again, it's an instance where he
could grapple with actually solving the problem of the virus, that means testing where it doesn't take a week to get your results, rendering them all but useless, that means a national contract tracing team, that means clear directions to the governors and local officials, he would be in a much better position for the economy and for all of his other goals. >> and, you know, ashley and kristen, you have both covered the white house and campaigns. there's senator coons and others with a bipartisan plan for contact tracers, there are plans all over the place, but the white house doesn't have a planning group, he doesn't have normal staffing, maybe because of the way -- our own kelly o'donnell, your colleague, our colleague there, now reporting, kristen, that the president and dr. fauci did talk yesterday, we don't know the dynamic of that talk, but while the president seemed to be chiding, if you
will, peter navarro for his blunt op-ed, what i would call a smear against tony fauci in "usa today," it's pretty obvious that navarro and the president are on the same page, privately at least. >> they're often on the same page, andrea, no doubt about that, even though president trump tried to distance himself from navarro's op-ed yesterday publicly. as you say, kelly o'donnell reporting just moments ago that the president did speak with dr. fauci on wednesday. and it is notable because it is coming in the wake of all of these mounting tensions between this white house and dr. fauci, in addition to that op-ed by peter navarro, we know that privately behind the scenes a number of white house officials are trying to undercut dr. anthony fauci in recent days, and frankly, andrea, it stretches back weeks if not months that they have been saying that he's sounding the alarms in too dramatic a
fashion, and that president trump has really wanted to put forward a more positive perspective on where this virus is headed. so to the point that you discussed earlier in the show, is this undercutting the white house's broader response and broader messaging just by having so many mixed messages coming at this critical moment and this health crisis that the country continues to face, andrea. >> kristen and ashley, no two better people to have on our show today, thank you so very much for all that have. code name cozy bear, a secret russian cyber espionage group trying to steal vaccine research. have they been successful? barack obama, elon musk, joe biden, all hacked. what we know about the massive security breach, next. stay with us, you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ♪ ♪
and a site with godaddy. how will you make your mark? make the world you want. as governments around the world race to find a covid-19 vaccine, russia's intelligence services are accused of attempting to steal covid vaccine research. it's the same group that was linked to russia's hacking of the 2016 election. joining me now, former fbi special agent clint watts, author of the book "messing with the enemy." thanks very much, clint, for
being with us. this is obviously very troubling. what do you think russia is up to? and now we hear the attorney general says china is also hacking vaccine sources. >> yeah, there's an international race to get this vaccine, the covid-19 vaccine. and russia is a country that really is signaling that they can't do it internally, they just don't have much capacity in terms of health research or production. so there is an opportunity. one thing they do have is hackers and hackers that are prolific and successful. so you're seeing what looks like some sort of intelligence coordination on the part of the u.s., canada, and the uk, who says, hey, we know who this group is, we saw them before in the election of 2016, and we see what they're trying to do, to gain this intellectual property. whichever country can produce this vaccine at scale can protect their population and get back on their feet. it probably is the single most valuable thing in the history of our country in recent years, is
getting this vaccine and getting it out so we can restart our country and economy and stabilize the debates going on. a valuable asset that everybody wants and a valuable asset that russia is deploying to try and get it. >> the irony, of course, s thist this is a president who pushed back on all the intelligence that russia had hacked our campaigns in 2016. i also want to ask you about another huge issue on social media which is the twitter hack, a bitcoin scam by hackers who hacked some of the -- dozens of accounts, some of the most famous people in america, not just uber, apple, but obama, biden, gates, elon musk. twitter founder jack dorsey says they feel terrible about what's
happened, they are does iagnosi and will share what they find. >> this may be the toughest day in twitter's history, they lost control of their most valuable people. twitter is driven by the most prolific users, those who have the checkmark, that are verified, big-time influencers. what you see here is the most valuable accounts probably on their platform are being used as part of a scam. there's a couple of things you see. one, people actually sent money to that bitcoin wallet. it shows that if you get to a high enough volume, there will be a percent of 1% that will respond to these fraud schemes. even more, once you saw president obama, former vice president biden's account heading into election day, everyone's heart misses a beat because what if you say, what if this happened on the day before the election, what if this was manipulated information, what if media accounts were taken over and vote totals were manipulated or put out in a synchronized way that confused the public? it could create mass chaos.
one advantage that we have in this scenario is it happened so far out from the election that it does give twitter and the rest of the social media industry a wake-up call to prepare for election day. if you have someone inside the system or someone hacking into the system, taking control, it can be devastate to go an entfi platform. >> although joe biden and barack obama were all hacked, the trump twitter accounts were not. >> yeah, it is curious, isn't it? >> pretty scary, yes. >> it's curious, and the president uses it for international diplomacy, so it's something else we always need to take into consideration. >> indeed. thanks so very much, clint, good to have you with us. maryland republican governor larry hogan blasting president trump for his response to covid-19. the governor will join me live, next. plus a major problem for the president. a campaign in crisis as seen in our new poll. chuck todd will be next to break
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maryland's governor larry hogan, the head of the national governors association, today slamming the president for the lack of national testing, writing in "the washington post," governors always do the hard work, make the tough decisions and take the political heat but an undertaking as large as a national testing program required washington's help. we examined something more than constant heckling from the man who is supposed to be our leader. wow. joining me now is the governor of maryland, larry hogan, the republican governor, also the author of the soon to be released book "still standing: surviving cancer, riots, and global pandemic, and the toxic politics that divide america." governor, thank you very much for joining us today, it's good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> first of all, tell me, you have been a leader in terms of
washington, maryland, this region, but as you've watched this as a leader of the national governors association, you are now taking on the president of the united states and blaming him for ignoring the severity of the crisis. you say the white house failed to issue warnings, failed to draw ventilators, lifesaving equipment, eventually every governor went his own way. you write, instead of listening to his own public health experts, the president was talking and tweeting like a man more concerned about boosting the stock market or his reelection plans. tell me what led you to this very strong denunciation of the white house response. >> well, just the article that appeared in "the washington post" today was really an excerpt from the book, so it wasn't a current account. it was really a recollection from the first several months of this pandemic, going back to my accounts from february, march, and april, maybe early may
during this pandemic. and i was just trying to be as honest and direct as possible. i've tried my best not to simply be one of the many people who have just been out there criticizing the president. i've tried to work in a constructive way. and i think they've made some improvements since then, quite frankly. but early on in the crisis, there's no question that there were serious mistakes that were made and that we could have done things better. i speak very frankly about that in my book. >> but with all due respect, this is still the case. the big story on the front page of "the washington post" today is that there is no plan. there's no plan for national testing. the president just in the last 24 hours talked to dr. fauci for the first time in two months. the cdc has been eliminated from gathering daily hospital data and it's now been transferred to the department of health and human services, to the criticism
of most public health experts. what has improved? >> well, i think those are some of the biggest mistakes that the president made throughout this pandemic, and that was not following the advice of the experts, the doctors, the scientists, his own cdc, and people like dr. fauci who in my opinion has been the most respected, most trusted voice, and the guy we're getting the most honest information from throughout this entire crisis. quite frankly, this is -- this recent attack, this campaign against dr. fauci in my opinion is probably, although it was not covered in my book because it's happened so recently, i think it's probably one of the biggest mistakes they've made, because throughout this, i think many americans, myself included, have been listening very carefully to the advice and the input and the wisdom of dr. fauci. and to exclude him and some of the advice from the president's own team i think is a mistake.
i talk about this in the book, there were really smart people in the administration, in the cdc and hhs, and folks like dr. fauci who really were on top of this and who were giving great advice. i talk about how the vice president was actually doing a good job of leading the coronavirus task force. but i think, you know, sometimes the president was ignoring the advice of his own people and he was going in a completely opposite direction, saying an exact opposite message of what the entire rest of the administration was saying. >> dr. fauci still has not appeared at a task force meeting on something as important as reopening schools, which you as a governor know is critical to all of the people, all of your constituents and all the governors are worried about this around the country. but even when the education health care task force meeting was held at the department of education, dr. fauci was sitting in the white house, not permitted to appear on camera or answer questions. that only happened last week.
>> i'm not sure the background there. i can't verify whether he was or wasn't allowed to appear on camera. not having him there to talk about these important issues was probably a mistake. i' i'll say this, as chairman of the national governors association, we had on monday a productive discussion where r. robert redfield laid out his cdc guidelines and recommendations to the states which we found some helpful information from the public health experts at the federal government, many governors were happy with that and it gave us good advice to utilize in our states. then i think the next day, the president came out and attacked his own cdc director and his own coronavirus task force, what their recommendations were, and tried to change the recommendations. it's one of the things i'm talking about, the mixed messaging, the pin ball of, we get the good advice from the experts and then hear something different from the president. that was the most recent case of it. we had a great meeting of all
the governors with the vice president, with robert redfield. they came up with a really good report from the cdc and the president stepped all over the message and started threatening people. >> and his education secretary went on television and refused to say what the plan would be to reopen schools. the president is still downplaying the pandemic, recently saying again that it would disappear. it's not part of his campaign messaging. can he afford to ignore the pandemic, given his reelection difficulties and the latest polls which we're going to be talking about with chuck todd in a moment? >> he certainly can't. we have these twin crises of the health crisis, the global pandemic which is not going away, which is by no means behind us. in fact we're seeing a huge outbreak in states across the country. we have the economic collapse we have to deal with as well. obviously these are going to be issues that are going to be critical to the campaign. but forget about the campaign,
these are issues that are critical to the country and we just need the president to lead and focus on these issues and maybe not worry so much about his twitter account. >> given the mistakes that he has made as catalogued in your book and in this excerpt from the book that's in "the washington post" today, does he deserve reelection? >> what's that? >> does the president -- >> oh, about the election? i'm sorry. >> does he deserve to be reelected given all the mistakes he's made on the biggest crisis facing our country, the pandemic. >> i think that's what the american people and -- are going to have a chance to decide between now and november. we have a little over 100 days. this is going to be one of the most contentious and most important elections we've had in our lifetime and i think it's going to be a very tough battle and, uh, we're going to have to wait and see between now and then exactly what happens. >> would you campaign for him?
>> you know, i didn't campaign the first time. right now i'm the chair of the national governors association. i'm not getting actively involved in the politics, in the campaign. i represent both democratic and republican governors. we're a long way from that. i didn't vote for the president in the last race and i'll have to decide what i'm going to do in the race in november. like a lot of people in america, we'll have to wait and see. >> would you consider running for president yourself next time around? >> i think it's far too early to talk about that, i mean, let's get -- let's get beyond the race in november. i have an important day job until january of 2023 and we're in the middle of a couple of important crises so i don't want to talk about 2024. after november, regardless of what happens, we'll be reexamining our divisive politics today and both parties are going to figure out where they're going to head over the next four years. >> governor, thank you very
much, congratulations on the book, we look forward to reading the whole book, i think it's coming out on july 28. thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. and the poll plunge. bad news across the board for president trump. chuck todd explaining the president's 50% problem in our new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. but first, catie beck with classic album covers. >> reporter: working in a nursing home typically involves a wooden chair. but here in england at a nursing home, residents are finding their activities rock star who found a way to escape four months of virus lockdown in a viral way, recreating photos of classic album covers, giving seniors a taste of celebrity. >> they got on board very quickly and it was just a case of matching the resident with the album cover. ♪
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some big troubling signs for president trump's re-election campaign. a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows trump trailing joe biden in 11 battleground states. only 37% say there is zero chance they would support biden. and less than four months ahead of the election an overwhelming 72% of those polled say the country is on the wrong track. joining me is chuck todd, "meet the press" moderator and expert on all things polling. what is the most important -- the most important number that you're looking at in this poll?
>> well, i'm going to go with that 72% wrong direction. there's quite a few important numbers in here, but that, i think, sort of that number, andrea, then explains every other number in the poll. i mean, what i think the basic message of this poll is, and what you have in this and if you are the president's campaign or the president himself, what you should take away from it is that people are screaming for a course correction in how he's handling this virus. and if that is throughout the whole thing. the rise in the wrong direction is virus related. his handling, obviously, the virus below 40%. his handling of race relations even lower for what it's worth there. but there was another poll question we asked. do you want candidates for president or congress to be focused on reopening businesses or focus on controlling this virus? and it was 2 1/2 to 1 controlling the virus. there is in so many different
ways this poll screams at the president, do something different. you're losing on this virus. please change course. and it's, obviously, you know, right now a message the president is not listening to. >> i mean, he's not only not doing something. he's pretending it doesn't exist trying to ignore it, downplay it. let's reopen. let's reopen schools without a plan. and slamming and smearing the most credible public health advisers. also trailing joe biden in 11 battleground states and in the national poll as well, double digits in the national poll. so that tells you a lot as well. >> andrea, in our political unit meeting yesterday, in our virtual meeting, obviously. we can't physically be together. we were talking about the fact that if you reverse engineered this and said what -- if you were joe biden, what would you want donald trump to do in order
to make it easier for you? it would be what trump is doing right now. i mean, at a time -- he's at 33% job approval on race relations. there's your -- you want to know what the bottom, what the floor is for the president? there's your floor. and what does he do? he starts talking about white grievance in that interview with sebs f cbs earlier this week. he's chasing the suburbs away between getting involved, creating schools as a wedge issue, going down this rabbit hole on race relations with white grievance. his suburban problems aren't -- they aren't like a 5 or a 10, a 5 or 6. this is a five-alarm fire. pick your metaphor. this is the epicenter of his political disaster right now. >> and one of the things he's been bragging about, about the suburbs is low-income housing, public housing for the suburbs, bragging about that, thinking that those issues, those wedge issues would work for him.
it's not working. look at the gender gap with women and college educated women and now even white men. >> i'm guessing -- i am having '70s flashbacks. he is thinking that the suburbs are going to react politically the way they reacted in the '70s and '80s on issues of crime or law and order and immigration. i mean, this is a case where you just see that he just does not -- is not in touch with what the suburbs are these days. he views them as the people that lived in his father's housing developments. he does not know who today's suburb aanites are. that's one conclusion you can come to. >> it really reminds me of the whole 2012, post-2012 campaign redress by the republican party talking about reaching out to hispanics, reaching out to other people of color and, boy, have we gone the wrong direction as
far as the republican party is concerned. it's still early. but the course correction is changing the name of the campaign manager. that's not going to change the campaign policy. >> no, that's -- >> thanks so much, chuck. >> i believe the metaphor would be rearranging the deck chairs. >> chuck todd, love to see you. we'll be watching you momentarily get set for your show and, of course, for" mtp daily" at 5:00 eastern. thank you so much. chuck todd himself will be back, a full hour, when he picks up our coverage after a break. and follow the show online on facebook and on twitte twitter @matchlereports. and katy tur as well. look like we♪ ♪won't wait♪ ♪we're taking everything we wanted♪ ♪we can do it ♪all strength, no sweat
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good afternoon. i am chuck todd. here's what we're following right now. the white house is set to have its own press briefing in the next hour as western security officials warn that russian cyberactors are now attacking organizations involved in coronavirus vaccine development. whether that is to stop a vaccine or steal a vaccine is unclear. we'll have more on that in a moment. we're also anticipating president trump's reaction to high-profile criticism from his own party about his handling of the pandemic. larry hogan upped the criticism a bit and said trump made mistakes by not listening to the experts and