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edition. the covid crisis >> it is truly -- we haven't begun to see the end of it yet. >> cases soaring. >> our hospitals are overwhelmed. we have seven hospitals that are at maximum capacity right now in miami-dade alone >> it's tough. i get pretty -- emotional about this >> testing slow.he outbreaks >> delays in testing and inadequate testing are making people sicker, are making the outbreaks bigger and leading to more tests
>> more states and businesses demanding people wear masks. >> if we can get people to wear a mask over the six to eight wee weeks -- >> many still refusing. >> this doesn't make sense why are we wearing masks to be outside? >> the amount of people who don't think they need to do something is enormous. >> president trump continuing to deny the reality on the ground as states like georgia set new case records. >> georgia's been a great example of a state that's done it all right >> demanding schools reopen in person despite the risk. >> we have to open the schools >> he means open and full. the science should not stand in the way of this. >> why does the u.s. trail the industrialized world in controlling the virus? and are things about to get worse and what can we do now to emerge from this crisis plus, the passing of an american hero. >> if you see something that is >> not right, fair, unjust.
you've got do something. remembering john lewis, civil rights leader and the conscience of a nation. welcome to sunday and a special edition of "meet the press". >> from nbc news in washington, the look are longest-running show in television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todderica passing of the civil r good sunday morning. america today is mourning the passing of the civil rights icon, moral leader, an congressman john lewis lewis died friday night at the age of 80 after a battle with pancreatic cancer. among the countless tributes came this one from his house colleague james cliver >> the country lost a hero last night. lost an icon, and i lost a personal friend. >> we will have much more on the life of john lewis including an interview with congressman clyburn later in the broadcast, we are going to begin with
our failure to confront the coronaviru but we are going to begin with our failure to confront the coronavirus pandemic it was a month ago amid concerns of rising case numbers that mike pence wrote an op ed saying such panic is overblown we are winning the fight against an invisible enemy no, we're not. we average the w.h.o.'s case numbers from monday to friday of this past week france averaged 455 new cases. and the united states -- germany averaged 4098 new cases. italy, 182 and the united states? nbc news recorded an average of now, does that sound as if we're winning this fight how did this happen? we 465, 69,060 new cases per day with the country topping 70,000 new cases two of the past three days does that sound as if we're winning this fight how did this happen? we are the richest country in human history with an unmatched medical infrastructure and a literate, educated populous. yet today we stand uniquely helpless among industrialized countries in the fight against covid-19 a world that once looked up to us to do the impossible now
averts its eyes over our failure to do the possible in this special edition of "meet the press" i will talk to dr. francis collins, head of the national institutes of health in his first broadcast interview. two medical experts, two governors, and an educator t trace how we got to where we are and where we go from here, and we begun with the alarming reality that the united states finds itself on the wrong side of this death struggle >> government is not going to be the answer to all people's problems >> georgia governor brian kemp suing to block atlanta's mask requirement. >> it is really a distraction is that's killing people from what the real enemy is here, and that enemy is this virus that's killing people in our city >> georgia is just one of 18 states in the so-called red zone identified by the white house coronavirus task force and a report sent to the states, but not made public. the report recommends georgia
home. around the country new cases are mandate statewide wearing of cloth-faced coverings outside the home around the country, new cases are surging up to 75,000 on friday with 41 states seeing an increase over last two weeks now in some of the worst-hit states, death records are also being set daily. >> when you're on a hamster wheel and a lot of people die, it's tiring. >> 28 states in the district of columbia now require masks outside the home folks, the numbers just do not lie. i am announcing a statewide, mandatory mask wearing. >> but some governors are still resisting. >> i got tested yesterday for covid-19, and the results came back positive. >> in light of your diagnosis, are you considering or are you thinking about a mask mandate now? >> not thinking about a mask mandate at all >> the top nine u.s. brick and mortar retailers now require masks in their stores, but on friday mr. trump made it clear that he will not call for a national mask requirement.
>> i want people to have a certain freedom, and i don't believe in that. no and i don't agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask, everything disappears. >> just 37% of voters approve of how president trump has handled this virus, down eight points since march. if an interview with a georgia tv station on wednesday president trump continued to paint an alternative reality. >> we want the schools open and georgia has been a great example of the state that's done it all right. it's a special place, great people, and they've done really well, really well with the virus. >> when he means open, he means open and full, kids being able to attend each and every day at the school the science should not stand in the way of this. >> the divide between trump loyalists and public health experts escalated into a character assault about dr. fauci over his closest aides peter navarro called fauci wrong on everything. deputy chief of staff da
navarro in the editorial i cann scavino shared this cartoon on social media by a cartoonist who was criticized with anti-semitic >> and that's beyond my comprehension that he did that, but i do not believe the white house is trying to discredit me. >> on friday, he again singled him out for criticism. >> dr. fauci said don't wear a mask our surgeon general, terrific guy, don't wear a mask all of a sudden everybody's got to wear a mask >> joining me now for his first broadcast interview during his pandemic is dr. francis collins, the director of the national institutes of health it is worth noting he is technically anthony fauci's boss dr. collins, welcome to "meet the press. let me ask the basic first question that i've asked a number of people that are in this coronavirus task force over the last couple of weeks why are we doing so poorly compared to the rest of the industrialized world in combatting this virus? >> well, good morning, chuck i am wearing a mask, and i have worn it since i left my home to
come here to our little studio at nih, but since we're talking and the only other person in the room is at least ten feet away i'll take it off during the interview, and i didn't want anybody to think that we take masks as something optional toag optional for people wh protect themselves and people around them. why are we doing so poorly it's the case that when you compare our experience with europe, which your numbers just did, we basically did a good job in new york and new jersey and connecticut with that terrible crisis that happened and took many lives, which we should never pass by and such a terrible tragedyng basic steps took place, and if you see what's happening in those areas, they came down very close to zero and meanwhile, the rest of the country perhaps imagining this was just a new york problem kind of went about their business and didn't pay that much attention to cdc's recommendations about the phases necessary to open up safely and,
not wearing masks and feeling jumped up over some of those hoops, and people started congregating and not wearing masks and feeling like it's over, and some will all go away, and here we are. not only with 70,000 new cases almost every day and from my perspective quite concerning the number of hospitalizations which are close to being as high in the country as it was back in april. so, yeah, we have to double down here, and i hope today, chuck, we can talk about things that bring us together, not things that divide us we americans are pretty good at rising to a crisis we've got one now. let's see what we can do together >> well, that's the question can this be done without federal leadership >> i think basically we americans are individuals, and if given the appropriate information and if it's not confused by a lot of other conspiracy theories, we're capable of figuring out what it
do if we want to see this current surge -- and it's a real surge -- to turn around as you just heard from the head of the cdc, all americans recognize it's up to us. wear a mask when you're out of your house that is protecting people from you because you might be infected and spreading the virus around do the social distancing thing and don't congregate in groups especially not outdoors. we can turn this around, and we don't have to wait for som serious high-level edict to say so this just makes common sense, at this point it just ought to be something we all do. >> all right you just referenced the cdc director i don't mean to nitpick on this, but the president directly contradicted it and even said i don't even think he's right about that, that if everybody wore a mask. how do you get us rowing in the same direction if you have that high level of a contradiction? >> well, it is bizarre that we have turned mask wearing into something political. imagine you were an alien coming to the planet earth and looking
around and looking at the scientific data and going place to place and look at who's wearing a mask, you would be totally astounded, puzzled, amazed, and you'd wonder what's going on here? something as basic as a public action that we have very strong evidence can help seem to attach for people's political party for starters, can we walk away we've done so before in wartime. this is not a war but and say this is about all of us, we're americans, and we're pretty good at rising to a challenge and crisis, and we've done it before in wartime. and this is not a war, but in a certain way, it is, and that virus is very sneaky and stealthy, and our best chance is for us to get together and do the right thing and stop fighting so much about the divide between different political perspectives which is
just getting in the way. >> let me ask you this, should americans be concerned that the advice that does come out of the task force is somehow getting watered down by political pressure >> well, i'm part of the task force. i joined those meetings. the vice president presides over them there's a very thoughtful exchange of information. dr. birx presents the latest data in terms of what's happening across the country we debate many things. there's a lot of work that goes on how best to distribute resources that are needed, right now trying to have remdesivir, that treats people who are very sick in the hospital, how to get it to the people who need it that basically is going forward and the actions decided during the task force meeting it is no longer, of course, coming to the press room for a big press briefing and the work of the task force goes on. >> let's talk about the issue of testing. there's a report this morning that the white house is pushing back on a congressional proposal that would add more money to your budget, by the way. more money to states for testing and contact tracing. recommending less money to are you guys on the task force
recommending less money to states for testing and contact tracing? >> the task force, as far as i know, has not been engaged in that particular debate about funding in this next congressional supplement that's under serious consideration in the congress and there's always this back-and-forth between th white house and congress when it comes to appropriations process and apparently the opening bid from the white house was a bit surprising certainly for many of us who were certainly hoping to see more in the way of support, but this is one of those things that will play out over the course of the coming days. let's see where it ends up >> what can the federal government do right now to improve the testing lag issue? okay we're still -- you can make an argument we need to do more testing. a lot of people are making that argument but the real problem -- and i can tell you i've had my own family members have to wait five to seven days to get the result. that becomes useless at some point if you're asymptomatic what do we do to fix that? >> so good
we're getting to the science, chuck. i like this part the average test delay is too long you're right it averages around three days and in some places it's a week and that undercuts the value of the testing and quickly get them isolated so they don't spread it around and it's very hard to make that work when there is a long delay to get that in. so what are we doing the science of this is very critical the nih is trying to develop an additional array in what we call point of care. most of the tests being done right now, you have to have the swab and you send it off to a central laboratory and there's a time to do the delivery of the sample then they have to do the testing. then they're backed up, and it takes a while to come back we need to get a things that are more on the spot, and actually
there's a number of new technologies that are coming along and look promising in that space. we need to invest a lot of money and the government needs to do so just this week, you might know we will be sending to about 700 or 800 nursing homes these point of care test, the ones that have just gotten fda approval so that in a place that is clearly very high risk, people walking into their shift will find out if they have the virus. it's not like they'll have to wait that's the kind of thing that i along with many others are working on night and day to do a better job of this you're right we have to come up with a better turnaround time. >> let me ask you a couple of questions on the vaccine first of all, this hacking issue that apparently the russians were behind, was nih targeted, and did you guys lose any key information? >> it's not entirely clear to me what this was all about. we certainly are deeply engaged in this vaccine effort the vaccine that's about to have its phase 3 trial started in the next ten days or so was initially designed a few hundred
yards from where i'm sitting right now at nih certainly we are always under cyber attacks of various sorts but most of what we do in science, we publish it we put it out there. people don't have to go hacking to find it we're all about transparency, and i'm not sure what serious risk is in involved here mischief, yes, but serious risk, i'm not so sure. >> what's your greater concern on vaccine the ability to distribute it or fear from the populous that the rush to a vaccine may make it unsafe i think all of those are significant conc significant concerns, but let' look at the positive side here, this has been an amazing trajectory that you've been on only in january was it clear that this was a virus that might spread to the rest of the world within a day or two after getting genome sequence of that virus, our colleagues decided to
design a vaccine that just 62 days later was being injected into the phase 1 trial participantsgood path here, and we will, by the way, need, as we go into this phase of recruitering people fo that data which was published three days ago looks extremely good it was neutralizing antibodies in virtually everybody that got it we're on a good path here. and we will need to recruit people for clinical trials need people to sign up. can i make a pitch to the people watching this? >> go for it. >> if you want to be a part of this next phase of figuring out how the vaccines work, all you have to do is go to the website. a long url coronavirus prevention network.org. coronavirus prevention network.org. about a thousand people have indicated their interest by registering for this and you might then get called especially if you're in one of the sites where we'll do the recruit coming is going to be in the place where the virus is spreading, mostly in the south come on, y'all, take part in this we need people of higher risk, the african-americans, latinos, come on, y'all
>> final question, dr. collins, has anybody at the white house asked yo asked you to demote or fire dr. fauci, and if they did, would you do it? >> nobody has asked me to do that, and i find that unconscienceable >> i find, that everyone calls me dr. fauci's boss. his real boss is his wife. >> i appreciate you coming on and it's not an easy situation that you're in, but it's important that the public hear from you, so thank you for doing this, sir. >> thanks a lot, chuck it's nice to be with you. >> you got it. >> when we come back, i'll talk to two governors, one democrat and one republican, and ho they're handling the sharp increase in covid cases in their states colorado's jared polis and ohio's mike dewine are next. itching for a treat.
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among them is colorado where governor jared polis issued a statewide mandate, and ohio's mike dewine put 60% of his state's residents under a mask order. both jared polis and mike dewine join me now. governor polis, i'd like to start with you cases have been on the rise in colorado since the middle of june why this week? why not sooner what took so long? >> you know, before we had neede mask requirement, we had 60% of our state under municipal or county mask requirements, but what we realized what we needed at this state was clarity of message. you're in colorado you're visiting colorado we're a mask-wearing state this kind of statement really provides that in terms of requiring masks statewide. the other thing we found, chuck, this is interesting in our state, in the areas that had mask-wearing requirements at 60%, 15% to 20% more mask wearing than the areas of our state that hadn't take than
simple step, we foun that those areas with mask wearing had less spread of the virus in our state so based on those two data points it was a clear course of action to take it statewide. >> you had been a little hesitant both, i remember, in the stay at home order and with the mask both times wondering how enforceable these things are, and you came around to both of them, but let me ask you this, how enforceable is your mandate? >> well, i think any governor, democrat or rupp, should be hesitant to do any of these things i think people want a governor who's going hesitate and double-check things before they do any of those your arching orders that no governor ever wants to do. there's a number of ways local municipalities have enforced it. one of the things that allows our businesses and retailers and grocers to do is that if somebody is trying to trespass without a mask and they asked him to leave nicely and they don't, they can call upon local law enforcement for trespassing to try to help remove them from the store so they're not threatening or endangering the employees and other customers. >> what explanation do you have
for the new rise in cases in your state what do your health officials tell you >> first of all, i'm proud that colorado is doing better than some of the hot spot states inw doing because the senn sunbelt we need to do better than we're doing because cases are going up that's clear america as a whole are not doin. as you know, chuck, masks are not a substitute for social di well people are lapsing in their caution and lapsing in the need for social distancing. as you know, chuck, masks are not a substitute for social distancing we can't live the way we did in january, that won't work we need to not have large get together, party, groups and make the deliberate effort to stay six feet away from others. a lot of people wished -- and i wished too -- that this had been past us. seriously to get through this. >> what's the explanation for why colorado. we want to go back to normal, and i think people are waking up to the fact that they need to be
careful in everyday lives and take social distancings very seriously to get through this. >> what's the explanation for why colorado why your state you only -- according to the covid tracking project, you only beat ten other states when it comes to testing >> there's a lot of other states that are testing more per capita than you are what is that about >> i would say generally the states that have the highest case load are going to have the highest testing and the highest positives, probably also the highest negatives. we have, for several weeks, major free testing site that denver runs at the pepsi center, home of the broncos. we also have about 48 free community testing sites across the state where anybody, no questions asked, no insurance questions or anything else, can get tested >> yeah, but are you getting these tests back fast enough it seems as if the inability to you've got to saturate testing and get them fast move and do the contact tracing. do you have that up and running in colorado? >> so the national testing scene is a complete disgrace so every test we send out to private lab partners nationally, serve days, eight days, useless
from an epidemiological or even diagnostic perspective we are running three shifts there, 24 hours a day. so while some are still sent out of state and unfortunately, that takes a long time and we can't count on it and our country needs to get testing right, we are trying to build that testing in colorado to process the test in a one- to two-day turnaround, and we are able to do 2,000 or 3,000 a day thatrs instate like u.c. health >> it's july 19th though you're still trying to get testing up and running and getting it quicker you just mentioned the federal problems that you had and the private lab issues do you think this -- you think you can realistically reopen schools without getting this testing situation under control? >> well, whether schools reopen in a particular area has more to do with whether there is a hot spot or outbreak in that area and also with the precautions that those schools are taking. so in colorado we have some
districts that have delayed school by a couple of weeks, some are beginning with a hybrid model, but some schools are going back as planned, as normal, taking precautions tha health experts recommend and keeping cohorts separated and don't intervene with classes and every school district will get for teachers and other faculty that face students and school clerks they will be getting medical quality masks from the state along with any additional masks with protective equipment that the teach verse purchased.ith protective >> governor polis, democratic governor of colorado, joining us from boulder, colorado, this morning, thank you governor dewine, you have 60% of your state under a mask ordinance, but if someone drives the ohio turnpike and someone turns off, you don't know if tud there is a county ordinance.
i ask you, governor, would it be simpler to have one standard for the state when it comes to masks? i understand with a different standard on restaurants and businesses on the mask front, why all of these different mandates depending on the county you're driving in >> first of all, chuck, we ohioans have done very well. we flattened the curve very early. ohioans did what they needed to do when we reopened, we put in place -- we were one of the first states to put in place a very sophisticated policy about how to reopen, and that has included a mask requirement for every employee as far as customers now coming in, as you've pointed out, we are at 60% frankly, we've seen that go up as our counties have turned red. we're going the wrong way. we're at a crucial time, and so this week you may see a lot more counties under that mask requirement. so we certainly would not rule out going statewide.
we're certainly looking at that. but there's a lot of things going on, and one of the things that we've tried to do, we're running tv ads we're going to start a new ad this coming week we're going to preview it on tuesday. really the message is you wear the mask for other people. you wear the mask to protect your grandmother and so it's not just the orders. the orders are obviously important, but getting people to buy in and to understand getting a 20-year-old to understand that he or she may feel invulnerable. nothing's going to happen to them, but they may get it. they may not know they have it and they may see their grandmother, and she may get it and end up dying that's the message we're trying to get out across the state of ohio >> is it, though, your message diluted if you don't mandate it? look, let me ask it this way it looks like because you're getting a lot of criticism from the right on the mandates, the idea of the mandate, and i know
there are protests about mask wearing in front of your offices and residences i think there was one planned for today in columbus. are you letting that pressure sort of keep you from issuing that statewide order i mean if you know you are going to put more counties in a red alert in a couple of days, why wait >> i don't think anybody in ohio what has watched what i've done doubts i'll do what i need to do to protect ohioans and i gave a speech wednesday night and said to the people of ohio. look, we are at a crucial stage. we are at the point where we could become florida florida. you if you look at our numbers today versus where florida was a month ago, we have very similar numbers. so we're very, very concerned. it's not just about masks though we went out and talked to all on a phone call this week talked on our health departments and here's where they report back and here's where it's occurring.
it's occurring in bars and it's occurring in churches. it's occurring from people who have traveled out of state, but a lot of it, frankly, is just people in casual settings, 20, 30, 40, 50 people gathering together so it's not all about orders orders are important, but it's also about getting people to understand, hey, this is very, very serious, and now while we did a great job early on in ohio, we're now headed in a wrong direction, and, frankly, i'm very, very concerned about that >> let me ask you this -- >> chuck, you will see more orders from us this week, but again, i want to emphasize it's not all about orders you've got to get people to come along with you when you do this. >> right no, i get that i get that let me ask a bigger-picture question do you have confidence in the president and this coronavirus task force right now given the fact that we're basically right back to square one >> you know, i think people look, frankly, to the governors.
historically we've looked to governors to deal with crisis whether it's a tornado damage and whether it's a flood, pandemic provided we look governors. and so, you know, what this administration has been able to provide us and the congress has provided us, we thank both of them for the money we will continue to need money for testing. as i look at where we go in ohio, we've doubled the testing in the last five weeks frankly, chuck, we need to double it again. we can only do that with money coming in from the federal government and it has to be for a long period of time. we're not going to be out of this in a month, two months or three months. >> i understand you say people look to their governors, but you sort of ducked the question here do you have confidence in the president and his leadership on this virus right now >> i have confidence in the adminianwith the vice president the vice president has been doing an absolutely phenomenal job in leading that, and, of course, the president just
delegated that to the vice president. any time i've asked, look, we need something, we need to try to get more agents and the fda moving, and every single time i've asked the pretty or vice president, they've come through. getting into a discussion, and figuring out is it the president or whatever it is. this is not about politics this is, frankly, getting the job done every single day and all of the governors are fighting to get it done. >> well, you have to launch an ad campaign to convince people to wear a mask if the president of the united states said wear a mask, would you need to run that ad campaign >> well, he wore a mask this past week, sew we were ver thankful for that and very happy that he wore a mask and said that, you know, people should wear a mask. so, look, it's no different than anything else. in this country we are not used to wearing masks fran and i were on a trade mission to japan a few months ago, and a lot of people wore
masks. it's more of their culture in this country, we're not in the culture to do that people need to understand it's not just about them that when they walk into a store it's important for them to wear that mask for somebody else and that's why we run the ads. and they're all ohioans talking to other ohioans saying, look, we've got to do this together. ohioans have done well people are getting weary across this country people are weary about staying home they want to get out, and i understand that. our message is you can get out and participate in the economy, but please be careful. don't do things that just don't make any sense, and that's the message that we keep trying to bring across to the people of ohio >> governor dewine, repu when we come back, in the last week, 15 states set new case records nine day set one-day death records. how do we emerge from this crisis our panel of experts is next
welcome b welcome back joining me now are three people who many have turned to during the pandemic dr. osterholm is the director for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. dr. joneigh khaldun, center for michigan's department of health and dr. wayne frederick, president of howard university and a reminder, he is one of the few university presidents who is dr. osterholm, let me start with you. is there any way we avoid what
some people thought was alarmist a few weeks ago when dr. fauci said he was worried about 100,000 cases a day. also an m.d. welcome to you all dr. osterholm, let me start wit where we've been. we have probably you. is there any way we avoid what some people thought was alarmist a few weeks ago when dr. fauci said he was worried about 100,000 cases a day. is it inevitable at this point that that's where we're headed in a couple of weeks >> well, to put it into perspective, again, we look at where we've been we have probably infected 7% to 8% of the u.s. population to date that's it, with the pain, suffering, death and economic disruption, that's it. as we talked about on this very show this virus won't stop and let alone stop transmission until we get to 50% or 60% to put that into perspective, chuck, if we had 65,000 to,000 70,000 cases a day for the next 365 o that level, so we have a lot of human wood to burn in this coronavirus forest fire, and, you know, we may see ups and downs in communities where people do take more concern for a moment because of the severe problems, but i think it's not only likely that we're going to see much more than 100,000, bu
i don't think people understand if we don't change our ways, we are in for the next year of those very kinds of numbers. >> dr. khaldun, i know that th scientific and medical advice is essentially, we've got to do a reset and maybe go back to the shutdown and maybe do it right a little bit better than we did the last time. can you imagine the political will in michigan to do that again? >> i'm very proud of the people in michigan. i'm proud of governor witmer she has from day one, listened to the data, but i'm very concerned. there are simple things like mask wearing political i am concerned that people are gathering in these large groups. there are many people across the country where we heard of a bar where we'd seen over 159 cases with covid-19 where people were gathering, and i'm confident
that michiganders can do it. do you have a sense we brought that curve down, so i'm confident we can do that again. >> you see that it's coming back up do you have a sense of why do you think -- dr. khaldun, do you think it's younger folks laxing on the requirements or is there something else going on? >> like i said, we saw our cases come down after march and april. what we are seeing now is as we started reopening the economy, we're seeing all kinds of cases of people gathering, churches, bars, people having these house parties. we're seeing some outbreaks associated with migrant farm workers as well. there are multiple reasons why we're seeing an uptick what we're saying is the demographic has also changed before june, most of the cases we were seeing were in people age over 50 and now the top now casers 20 cases 20 to 21 age group, so that's something we're concerned about. >> dr. frederick, you and i have talked quite a bit since the
start of the pandemic, and early on you were optimistic about howard university developing its own test and you were almost going to be able to create a bubble on the campus i know you've made an announcement of the hybrid situation. are you as confident that you're going to have the testing capabilities that you said three or four months ago >> i am. later this week we hope to sign with a company that i will leave unnamed for now, but they're going to help us stand up a clear lab at howard university where we'll be able to do the testing internally and that will allow for us to have a very good turnaround time. us to have a vy however, with respect to a bubble, we have to be realistic that we're bringing students from 46 states and 71 countries. obviously there are travel bans in place, and u.s. embassies are not necessarily issuing visas. so international students may have a difficulty in returning
and bringing people from hot spots and having students tested before they come and self-quarantine prior to their trips as well and obviously making tests available on campus so you're right. i'm still optimistic about it, but i do recognize that there are challenges especially with what's taken place in the country as a whole >> dr. osterholm, this debate about reopening schools, let's go data driven here. what is the best data to follow on these decision-makings, whether you're opening a campus like dr. frederick or an elementary school? >> well, i can tell you right now that schools across this country do not have the resources to open this fall with the personnel that they need we have sent money to the school districts from the federal government, but it's far, far too little, it's inadequate, and it's not arriving in time, and so i think we're going to have some real challenges there are legitimate concerns in any community right now where you have a hot spot. how can you even begin to think about physically opening schools?
distance learning, surely, could be something you can consider. still we have concerns about the prot we do know that students transmit more than we once thought they did, and so we have to address that. at the same time, we know that we have to educate our kids. this is critical and particularly the younger age making to the local school district level and those teachers want to go to work and those districts want to have school and group k through 8 that distance learning just does not work. i think we have to, first of all, drive down the decision-making to the local school district level, and those teachers want to go to work and those districts want to have school and we want to make sure we get them the resources to do that, and of course that, the wrong answers are driving it down from the national level saying this is what you must do and not providing the resources that the school districts need they need it now desperately >> dr. frederick, where are you getting the money for all of
this >> well, what we've been doing at howard is we've been supported obviously with the c.a.r.e.s. act funding we've also really had some very, very tight management of our overall budget over the course over the past three months as well this will put us in a financial bind because of how many low-income students we bring to howard, but it is also important that we recognize that howard rents a safe place for them, and that investment is one that's immeasurable, and it's a sacrifice we all have to make, and it will be difficult >> doctors osterholm, khaldun and frederick, we appreciate you. when we come back, it's been a difficult weekend. remembering a civil rights icon. s getting into a new home easier than ever. (brokenhearted guy) i thought you loved me. [brokenhearted guy sobs] ♪
welcome back. john lewis who welcome back john lewis, who died on friday, was often called the conscience of the congress, representing atlanta for over 30 years and seen as a moral leader by his fellow democrats and republicans. he was the last surviving speaker from the 1963 march on washington >> we do not want our freedom gradually, but we want our freedom now. >> years later he led more tha 600 peaceful protesters across the edmund pettus bridge only to be beaten by state troopers in what has become known as bloody sunday lewis suffered a fractured skull.
>> we've been kneeling we've been knocked down. they started beating us with night sticks and trampled us with horses and released the tear gas. >> in the years since lewis was joined by bipartisan lawmakers in a symbolic march across that bridge to mark the anniversary lewis' was last month when he visited the black lives matter mural in washington just outside the white house. >> i continue to say to the young people if you see something that is not right, fair, unjust, you've got to do something. >> congressman john lewis was 80 years old. his longtime friend and colleague, congressman jim clyburn, joins me when we come back the other issue. oh...i'm scratching like crazy. you've got some allergic itch with skin inflammation. apoquel can work on that itch in as little as 4 hours, whether it's a new or chronic problem. and apoquel's treated over 8 million dogs. nice. and...the talking dog thing? is it bothering you? no...itching like a dog is bothering me. until dogs can speak for themselves, you have to. when allergic itch is a problem, ask for apoquel.
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welcome back. congressman james clyburn and john lewis knew welcome back congressman james clyburn and john lewis knew each other for 60 years and they served together for 27 years in the house of representatives yesterday i spoke to congressman clyburn about his close friend and i began talking about lewis' last public appearance at the black lives matter plaza in washington, d.c. >> we talked about how surprised we were at the breakthrough that black lives matter hadblack it reminded us a little bit of our breakthrough back in the 1960s, and the thing that we talked about was the fear that this movement as successful as it was being could very well be
jeopardized by sloganary john and i were always talking about how the sit-in movement got taken away from us how we woke up one morning and all of the headlines were burn, baby burn, how people lost sight of our purpose and we were very concerned that that would happen again. the reason i spoke out so forcefully when people were chasing the headline of defund see the success of this movement get taken away with that kind of sloganry so john and i talked about that because we always felt that we could have been much more successful back in the '60s, if we had nod allowed headlines to get in the way of headway.way. >> it' >> it's been interesting to see so many people from both sides
of the aisle, but i want to focus here a lot of republicans have gone out of their way and i think it's been meaningful and heartfelt. it's there you know, explain to me, john lewis never seemed to -- i guess he couldn't taste bitter he nerve never was bitter. and it seemed that he would open his arms to anybody that asked, no matter how checkered their past might be on race relations. >> that's quite true, and john often got in some uncomfortable moments because he was just so kind to everybody. he really, really believed that he should live out the scripture. he was a minister. i'm a preacher kid, but we talked scripture a lot he internalized so much of the goodness. you know, a lot of people talk
about a tribute, and there's a tribute saying -- and i don't think he ever made it because i can't find it -- that america is great because it's people of good if the people of america ever cease to be good, america will cease to be great. with john, it personified the goodness of this country, and i do believe that that's what the fight is all about now, restoring america's goodness john believed in that. and i really think that we would honor him and we should honor him by creating a new act to replace the 1965 act that was gutted by the supreme court decision in shelby v holder seven years ago. and the supreme court gave us a
roadm roadmap, and we followed that roadmap. so when i get back, i'm going to ask the leadership of the house to consider reintroducing that bill that passed since hr-4, i believe, reintroducing that, and john r. lewis as voting rights act of 2020, and let's send it over to the senate and then mitch mcconnell and the president can demonstrate the real respect for the life and legacy of john lewis by passing that bill in the senate and th president signing it and let's have our election this year in honor of john robert lewis >> it would be quite a 2020 achievement in his name. i want to talk about the different ways people want to honor him. a lot of people and you've seen it already on social media it's time for the edmund pettus bridge, for that name to change. there's been different debates about that let it be named after a segregationist and a racist. let people understand that but now a lot of people think it's time to name it after john lewis.
where are you, sir >> i think i would take a nice picture of that bridge with pettus' name on it, put it in a museum somewhere, dedicate it to the confederacy, and then rename that bridge, repaint it, redecorate it as the john r. lewis bridge i believe that will give the people of selma something to rally around i believe that would make a statement for people in this country that do -- we do believe in that pledge, that vision of this country that's in the last phrase of the pledge, "with liberty and justice for all. >> john lewis' friend and colleague, james clyburn that's all for today thank you for watching please wear a mask and stay safe and remember, if it's sunday it's "meet the press."remember, it's "meet the press." ♪ ♪
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