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hi, everyone i'm nicolle wallace, it's 3:00 p.m. in the east 12 noon out west brian williams will be back with us at this time tomorrow we begin with the headlines and facts as we know them at this hour it was six months ago today that the very first coronavirus case was diagnosed in washington state. six months later, more than 3.8 million americans have been sickened and nearly 142,000 have lost their lives cases are now increasing in 40 states, and 25 states have seen a rising number of deaths. but there appears to be promising news in the search for a vaccine, according to early clinical trial results published in the medical journal the
lancet, a vaccine being developed by oxford university in england and astrazeneca is safe researchers are using the next phase of clinical trials to determine whether the vaccine protects against coronavirus infections in the meantime, more than half of all states now require people to wear masks in public, even though president trump told fox news sunday that he wants people to have a, quote, certain freedom. but surgeon general jerome adams sounded a much different message during a tv appearance this morning. >> we're not trying to take away your freedoms when we say wear a face covering. we're saying if we do these things we can actually open and stay open. we can get back to school, worship, to jobs, we can do this >> one of the nation's largest lab chains says high demand is
increasing the time it takes to process coronavirus tests, quest die mostics say the average turnaround time for a test is now seven or more days republican congressional leaders met with president trump today to talk about the next coronavirus relief bill. this comes as the trump administration wants to block money for testing and contact tracing, and has extended unemployment benefits under the cares act are set to expire. and president trump says he plans to resume briefings tomorrow a surge in cases across the south and west of our country. including the state of california where governor gavin newsom is holding a briefing at this hour. we'll monitor it and bring you any important developments this comes one day after los angeles mayor eric garcetti that
his city may be close to issuing another stay-at-home order. >> i think we're on the brink of that as i told people over the last week, the discipline and i think a lot of people don't understand, mayors don't have control over what opens or doesn't open we're smarter, jake, about this. it's about what we do individually. >> lots of images of lots of people pretty close together coming from out there, what do they attribute the inability to sort of round the corner there >> the issue is really the reopening process and we have the numbers, over 380,000 cases as of yesterday, if you take a look at l.a. county, it's over 2800 positive cases and within that more than half of those
newly diagnosed confirmed covid cases are people under the age of 41 years old and that's very concerning to l.a. county public health officials, the director of public health says, look, you have to take that responsibility in addition to following the rules, nicolle. >> it's unbelievable what's the push and pull there, you heard mayor garcetti with jake tapper talking about the lack of control that he feels he has, what does he need from the local and state level? >> mayor garcetti's saying we're on the brink because of these policies that he feels are too open and today governor newsom is giving this press conference right now and one thing a lot of businesses want is the ability to stay open even if they're not a restaurant or a bar, one thing we may hear which a lot of salon and nail salon owners are hoping for is the ability to operate
outside. i know that's something you can't do unless in california. some disagreement whether or not that's the right thing in terms of public health, because when the l.a. county public health director is saying, stay far apart, stick to only your family, something like that reopening might, you know, fly in the face of those public health recommendations so, nicolle, it's a complicated situation but when you look at the young people who are being diagnosed here, it's certainly a red flag that this state is having to contend with >> nbc's jo ling kent thank you so much for your report from los angeles. joining us our conversation are two of our very good friends, dr. kavita patel and
msnbc news white house correspondent carol lee. dr. patel, i read over this weekend, an impulse toward innovation on the part of businesses, hair salon sees the restaurants who have moved their businesses outside somewhat seamlessly in the summertime that's easier in a lot of places, but is it a false sense of security we have about being outside or are we trending in the right direction to try to do as much as we can in open-air settings >> i think it's important to recognize especially in a place like los angeles county where the cases -- they're increasing at such a concerning rate, it can be a false sense of security to just be outside and then not still take the precautions with distance and masks and hand hygiene, so i do think however there's a valid argument to try to consider options for smaller
businesses because we simply have a conoundrum ahead of us i would worry but i think what small businesses are asking for is working with public health officials to find a path forward. as americans, the best path forward is to stay safe and the safest thing possible is a mask mandate, limiting human contact and where you need to keep distance and doing all the things we talked about >> it caught my attention over the weekend as someone perfectly willing to sit in the sidewalk with tinfoil in the hair, it did struck me, however we get through it it will be our ability to innovate our way.
>> carol lee, the president is going to re-up his coronavirus briefings which many political operatives on the republican side diagnosed as the beginning of his tumble in the polls, why, where, and when? >> reporter: well the reason why, according to a senior administration official, in part because they said they had some internal polling here that showed americans have no idea what the federal government is doing to respond to the pandemic, so that was part of went into their thinking the other part is, the official said the president has been quietly leading on this but now they want him out there publicly leading on this and talking about where the supplies are going the status of vaccines and therapeutics the when, the president said today they might start them tomorrow at 5:00, as you know, that's when the president held them for several months and they came under a lot of criticism from even the president's allies who thought he was staying out
there too long, out there for two hours, he was veering off into various topics that had nothing to do with the coronavirus. in one of the last briefings he had at the end of the april is when he talked about injecting disinfectants as a possible way to deal with coronavirus it's a risky strategy. in talking with people in the white house, their view was, it was better than it is now, maybe they can turn this around and try to put the president's face on it and try to get these numbers back up in terms of how people are viewing his handling on that. whether or not that's the case we'll see. >> to the president i say good luck dr. patel, here he is trying to answer a simple question, a straightforward question, all over the news, about testing let's watch. >> one person coming in --
>> we have more tests by far than any country in the world. >> but sir, testing is up 37%. >> well, that's good. >> i understand. cases are up 194%. it isn't just the testing has gone up it's that the virus has spread, the positivity rate has increased. >> many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day, they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. many of them, don't forget, i think it's 99.7%, people are going to get better and in many cases they're going to get better very quickly. >> dr. patel, as chris wallace pushed back on everything he said was false, the president's problem isn't just his plunging standing in the polls it's just only 26% of the country trusts him, so that's not even 75% of his own base if the base is down
to around 36%. this is not the answer -- i don't know what the question is if they think solving it involves the president communicate about coronavirus. >> you're right, nicolle, not only the answer is certainly not going to be with the president but i think he continues to just propagate misinformation, the death rate is, you know, at least five times what he's saying it is and then the fact that the remaryland are alive but they're in nursing homes, on ventilators with chronic problems that might haunt them the rest of their lives, just everything coming out of his mouth goes against the facts and the science, yet again, i keep asking, we have a nation naal problem with no national strategy and no national response, and what worries me, we're still talking about testing, it's stunning to me, you talked about -- when are
we going to stop debating the need for testing and right now, we're not even testing anywhere near enough, we know that, because we should be testing enough people to find people who are sick and who are not and all we're finding, we have about 25% to 30% cases in arizona that are positive, that means we're not testing nowhere near enough. >> carol lee, you're trying to help us explain how we got here. "the new york times" had a piece that i think broke a lot of new ground in terms of how the white house sidelined science. let me read you a piece of that and let's talk about it. "the new york times" reports, over a critical period beginning in mid-april, president trump and his team convinced themselves that the outbreak was fading, they had given state governments all the resources they needed to contain its remaining embers and it was time
to ease up on the lockdown, in doing so, he was ignoring warnings that the numbers would continue to drop only if social distancing was kept in place, rushing instead to restart the economy, for scientific affirmation they turned to dr. deborah birx, the sole public health professional in the group, the chief of staff who convened a separate group, she was a constant source of upbeat news for the president and his aides, washingtoning the halls with charts emphasizing that outbreaks were gradually easing, the country she insisted was likely to resemble italy for virus cases declined steadily from frightening heights i have two questions, who through deborah birx under the bus, do they really blame her and her charts for all of their mistakes in. >> yeah, nicolle, that was the most striking thing about that
piece by "the new york times." dr. birx, according to officials that i have spoken to for months, she's someonethat the president really likes, someone he listens to, really respected by him and other white house officials. the way that read somebody who's looking for deborah birx to take the fall for some of what the president has said about the trajectory of the pandemic and we do know, though, as "the new york times" story points out, the president at this time, by mid-april, he wanted the economy to be open remember, the churches are going to be packed on easter sunday, memorial day, everybody will be out. that was his goal. time and again we saw the government put out guidelines for how to do that and the president then pushing states and governors to go further and do it sooner than those guidelines actually laid out now we're seeing by many experts' views, the consequences
of that. somebody eventually we have seen the president point finger at different people this was quite striking given the way dr. deborah birx has been seen inside the white house. >> dr. patel, two health headlines before we go one, a giant study, i think 65,000 participants in south korea that showed that middle-age kids are as effective at transmitting the disease as adults that sort of lingers over all the debates that have become political over back to school. news today about some progress on a vaccine your thoughts? >> on the south korean study, you're correct, nicolle, it shines a light on number one the fact that younger people can transmit this virus, something that we've been wondering about
and it has implications for the college students that are going back to school as well as for high school, middle-age students that are thinking about physical re-entry back into the classrooms the second point which is some good news, is that this study that's published in the lancet around the vaccine was incredibly promising because it showed response. we think of a vaccine response primarily being about the antibody response, this showed a positive antibody response which is good news, but on top of that, it also showed an important response in the other type of cells that can directly kill the virus and this could be -- it's just one of many vaccine manufacturers that are showing some early promising results with now thousands of patients volunteering in these challenged trials around the world. so there's hope that a vaccine is on the horizon but getting
there is going to be proportion to our response as a country >> our inability to slap a piece of paper fabric over our mouths does give you legitimate reason to worry about the ability to vac nate when we return, as florida breaks records for coronavirus cases the mayor of miami is contemplating another shutdown he'll join us next. the trump administration now hinting what's happening in portland, oregon, shadowy par military federal agents are arresting protesters without cause, they could be expanded nationwide president trump touting his mental cognition while suggesting the one thing that a lot of people fear most. stay with us
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as florida continues to grapple with its massive coronavirus outbreak, local officials are reportedly taking matters into their own hands in the absence of state and federal leadership as of today, there are more than 360,000 cases of covid statewide and in south florida, local reports paint a dire situation for miami hospitals. which have been forced to increase intensive care capacity to accommodate all the new cases. governor ron desantis gives no indication to roll back any reopening plans. francis suarez, the republican mayor of miami, he also battled coronavirus himself, he's been meeting with local business leaders to discuss the possibility of another citywide shutdown i remember talking to you when you were sick, and watching
miami and hoping that what hurt my city of new york so much, density, didn't have similarly devastating repp repercussions your city but it has how do you reverse your trend? >> we're the densest city in florida. this lies on proximity to spread we've been you know implementing a variety of mitigationfactors that we're hoping -- and we're seeing some evidence to starting to bend the curve. we have implemented a curfew, south beach has actually implemented a curfew that's even earlier than the general curfew of 8:00 p.m. there's -- the county has closed down indoor dining and we're
going to be heavily enforcing our mask in public rule this week, which calls for $50 fine for the first violation, $500 for the third. those mitigation factors have started to bear some fruit in the reduction of new cases a day. but we're hoping to see some even better improechltment and hopefully complete bending of the curve soon >> mr. mayor, you're quoted in "the new york times" on the topic of mask-wearing as saying, people follow leaders, you rephrased then, people follow people who are supposed to leaders. >> you know there's a segment of our city and every city that listens directly to the president, listens directly to our governor and i think the clearer they are on issues like wearing a mask in public
hopefully making a mandate i think the greater compliance you're going to get in our cities and the greater come mrins we get, the better chance we have to defeat covid-19 it's very simple it's no different than you know a psa where you tell people to wear seat belts. so that's what i meant by that when there's a crisis, our leaders are expected to lean into the crisis, they're expected to lead through the crisis and i'm hopeful that the president and our governor and everyone else starts doing that. >> i think it was so notable because you share a political party with donald trump and your state's governor desantis, i just wonder if you can -- because i think your experience is one shared by democratic governors, by other states having a crisis the likes of miami's, how counterproductive it is to have someone like
desantis as your governor and trump as the president. >> look, i think that, you know, our governor has done things that i'm appreciative of, he answered all my calls. but i also think that, you know, not having a mask in public rule at the state and federal level hurts us a segment of cities will only listen to them if some of the leaders are not clearly articulating the need for a mask in public rule then they will unfortunately not follow it. i have to commend the governor, he did come to miami and he did say we should follow the local rules and miami has a local mask in public rule we have to maximize amount of compliance so we have the best chance of bending this curve as quickly as possible. this is impacting our economy greatly and this is impacting people's quality of life
we need to defeat covid-19 as quickly as we possibly condition to get our economy going. >> the tone at federal government had this backward, we'll go back to work first and beat the pandemic later? >> i think that the cdc which is supposed to be the governmental entity that guides us throughout this hasn't been either -- i don't know what the reason is, they haven't been given as much guidance as we'd like to see, for example, there was a reopening plan -- >> let me interrupt, do you really not know that the reason is, why you haven't seen the cdc guidance front and center? >> you can tell me what the reasons are. >> no? >> i think from my perspective -- >> i just read the papers, i'm sure you do. >> to me, it doesn't matter what the reasons. we need that guidance. we need the cdc to tell governments like it actually what actions need to be taken
why because cities like ours don't have a health department we rely on health departments like the state health department and federal cdc to make decisions, otherwise, we have to cobble together our own set of experts to make decisions. which have been very difficult to make in the absence of greater guidance >> who is your main contact at the federal government >> to be honest with you, you know, we have legislative liaiso in that we talk but we haven't gotten a lot of communication throughout this entire pandemic. >> and you think your theory is that the fault lies with the cdc. >> well, listen, i don't know whether the fault lies with the cdc or something political or greater than that, i think the cdc is the gftal tasked with controlling diseases >> you're the mayor of -- you're a mayor of huge city in a hot spot and it's stunning to me you
haven't written the public reporting that vice president is squa squashing cdc data you surely have read public reports that the cdc has been cut out of patient reportings from hospitalized covid patients i spent time in miami, i know you get "the new york times" there, stunning reporting that hhs and the cdc tried to sound the alarm to the white house i'm happy to get you better phone numbers. sir, you must be aware that the cdc is trying to help people exactly like yourself. >> well, then, it's certainly not getting to us and it's political that it's not getting to us then that it's inappropriate. without a doubt. to me this is not a political or a partisan issue this is an issue where guidance from the cdc, not blocking the cdc is essential for us to making good determinations to
protect our residents, so, you know, i'm happy to talk to whomever who wants to call me. in the absence of that, we've been doing everything we can locally to make the best decisions to protect our residents. >> i appreciate your time. i appreciate your coming on our show and i may dig around myself to see if the cdc is available to local officials. mayor, thank you for spending some time with us. when we come back -- federal agent s snatching people off the states fears that the tactics used in portland cldou be coming to a city near you. that's next.
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