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i'm stephanie ruhle. it is friday, july 24th. and here are the facts at this hour. we begin with a new milestone. not a good one. 4 million cases of the coronavirus in the united states of america. and take a look at this graph on your screen. it took us three months to record the first million cases. 16 days to record the last million. nearly 71,000 cases were reported just yesterday along with 1100 deaths. more than 145,000 americans have now lost their lives to this virus. all of this comes as the cdc releases guidelines for getting kids back to school. here's the big problem. we were waiting, waiting, waiting for these protocols but their guidelines, most of it we already knew. like encouraging good hygiene. for things like what to do if students test positive, the cdc says, it's up to the schools to come up with a plan. the cdc is encouraging kids to go back to the classroom, the president has decided it's too
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dangerous to hold a big gop convention in florida so he is calling it off. last night he said he'll hold virtual events instead, although he still plans to give an acceptance speech. florida is one of the two states that broke records for their death toll on thursday. tennessee is the other. at least five states, alabama, hawaii, indiana, missouri and new mexico hit single-day highs for new cases. on "today" show, dr. birx focused on florida, and texas and said all of them are suffering the way new york suffered back in the spring. >> i just want to make it clear to the american public, what we have right now are essentially three new yorks with these three major states. and so we're really having to respond as an american people, and that's why you hear us calling for masks and increased social distancing. >> we've got reporters spread out across the country. i want to go first to miami, florida, where it's gotten hit so bad, they want some people to
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wear masks inside their houses. sam brock is there. what's going on? >> yeah, strange as that sounds, that's the new directive coming from francis suarez, the mayor of miami. it comes because he's talking to an area where there's so many multigenerational households. i was speaking with a woman who lives with her grandchildren, her daughter and son-in-law and her mom. four generations under one household. her grandchildren and son-in-law all tested positive so she and her mother were worried they might have the virus as well. that's the kind of situation to which this directive is speaking right now. it comes at a time there's a 19.5% positivity rate in miami-dade. the icu capacity is at 131% for miami-dade county hospitals. there's an urgency to do whatever they need to do to avoid lockdowns. one of the tactics being used, fines for people not using masks. i'm standing in miami beach on lincoln road. we saw them doling out citations
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yesterday here for miami-dade. it's 100 bucks in the county. $50 in miami beach. but those escalate. it's more expensive for businesses as well. all of this coming right now as the latest poll numbers for ron desantis show he has never had this level of disapproval. 41% of floridians disapproving of what he's doing. excuse me. 41% approving. 52% disapproving. that's a new low watermark. >> sam, thank you. let's head to dallas, texas, and morgan chesky is standing by. i know things are bad across the state. but tell me specifically what it's like in hidalgo county. that seems to be particularly hard hit. >> yeah, steph, good morning. hidalgo county, the rio grande valley in southern texas running right along the border with mexico at a unique disadvantage when it comes against the figfight against covid-19. as we're seeing new cases start to drop off in dallas, also in houston, that's the opposite of
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what's happening there, specifically in hidalgo county. we know that inside that region, it ranks third in the state by county for deaths due to covid-19. but it's five times smaller than harris county which is where houston is located. we've seen these cases surge again and again over the last several weeks. so much so that they have called in special ambulances, stephanie, that are designed to only handle natural disasters because they can fit more than a dozen people inside. that's the situation they are dealing with because they're having to transfer patients from one hospital to another hospital to even another hospital as resources and beds finally become available. i had a chance to speak to the city manager of couch, texas. to describe the scene of what he's seen play out over the last several weeks. >> there's still a silent number out there of undocumented
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people. and so these are people that are scared to go and get tested so we're not counting those people that are actually sick at home and not going and getting tested because they're scared they're going to get deported. >> that undocumented population in hidalgo county and the entire rio grande valley, incredible concern because out of fears of going to a hospital, people could be dying at home just afraid to seek out desperately needed care. steph? >> morgan, thank you. now i want to head to the white house where kristen welker is standing by. president trump had been adamant about holding that convention and doing it in jacksonville. what made him finally change his mind? >> he had been adamant for months, steph. you're absolutely right. we've been talking to multiple republican officials who tell us there were really a series of factors that contributed to this decision.
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one, you have the surge in cases in florida. remember, the sheriff of jacksonville saying recently that he did not have the resources to make sure that the republican convention was safe. the president was facing a potential move by the city council to block funding for the event, and he was staring at poll numbers, steph, which show him trailing joe biden, including in the state of florida. and his aides and allies essentially said to him that it was politically too risky to hold the convention there as well as the safety concerns. so ultimately, he decided to cancel it. the question becomes, what comes next? where will president trump, and how will he deliver his acceptance speech which will now be virtual. and will republican officials be able to try to re-create the type of pomp and paggentry that the president relishes? politically speaking there is some concern. will there be a backlash to the way in which this was all handled? go back to the beginning. he mocked democrats for saying
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they were going to hold a virtual convention. now he's ultimately come to the same conclusion after a series of seemingly erratic decisions. for his part today, president trump is going to unveil an executive order that he says is going to be aimed at lowering the cost of prescription drugs. that's one of his key campaign promises. and then he heads to bedminster for the weekend. steph? >> it also sounds like he is at the very least dialling it back or maybe even changing his tune on whether or not schools should open. something he said must happen or public schools risk losing their federal funding. what's he saying now. >> you're absolutely right. the president in the briefing room on thursday saying that, look, all schools might not be able to reopen in the fall for in-person classes. and it was really the starkest acknowledgment yet in addition to canceling the convention in jacksonville that the virus ultimately is making the
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decisions. so we have seen the president in the past several months really trying to turn the page on this. what we have seen this past week, steph, is a change in strategy. the president acknowledging that ultimately, he needs to start making these decisions and, according to his aides, be out front when it comes to making some of these decisions as it relates to the virus, steph. so a real shift here at the white house this week. >> all right. kristen, we want to help our viewers get out front or at least get prepared and informed. i want to bring in dr. tom frieden, former director of the cdc. the current president and ceo of the organization resolve to save lives. always great to have you here. we've been talking for months about flattening the curve. but when you look at how fast we went from 3 million cases to 4 million cases, that's the opposite of flattening. we are spiking. >> what we lack is a clear national strategy, leadership and perhaps, most importantly,
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or most within reach, a common page that we can see how we're doing. some of the emphasis on cases and tests is actually misleading. even if you talk 4 million cases, actually there are probably more like 30 million cases or infections in this country, or more. and if you say, 70,000 infections yesterday, well, it was probably more like 200,000, 300,000 infections yesterday because we're not diagnosing them all. we need to track more meaningful metrics. and that's why my group along with national leaders and states released a new list of 15 essential indicators. 9 of which every state and county should be able to report right now. and another six could take a couple of weeks. if we do that, we can be on the same page. and even without a clear national strategy we can at least understand where we are. >> all right. let's talk about the strategy and the guidance from the cdc. we've been waiting for it as it relates to opening schools. but the actual guidance is
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really broad. things like, quote, take advantage of unused space in the schools so you can socially distance students. i'm pretty sure any school principal could have figured that out. what is the exact prescription if a student is exposed, if a teacher is exposed. why wouldn't the cdc give us that kind of guidance? >> there is a fair amount of good information on the cdc website and just a day or so ago they released new materials on schools. i am a little concerned about those materials. i read them word by word last night. i read them again this morning. and there's a lot they don't say. they don't talk about the risk to staff -- >> why? >> they don't talk about the risk that students will bring the infection back to their classmates and they say in a couple of points that should be okay to open if there is low level transmission. now what's low-level transmission? what's the definition? if it's less than 10 cases per day? not a single state in the country. if it's less than 40 cases per
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million per day, maybe that's a few. and a number of counties which have lower rates. the single most important thing to enable our schools to open and stay open is a low level of spread in the community. and all of us can do that with the three ws. wear a mask correctly. wash your hands. watch your distance. but there's no one thing that's going to make this virus go away. not even a vaccine. we need a comprehensive approach with distancing, with closures of bars and restaurants for indoor dining anywhere there's extensive spread. with meticulous studies to understand where it's spreading and then those close spots down so we can control it. you can't stop this virus by just wishing it away or ordering it away. it will not stop until we stop it. >> no, but the cdc could give detailed guidance to help everyday americans and to help school systems. if we're not getting it from places like the cdc, could we look to other countries maybe?
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i know that sounds tragic, pathetic, but we're getting desperate. >> to be fair, there's a lot we still don't know about schools. and we need to be frank about that. we have outbreaks in melbourne, str australia, in israel. two weeks ago, my group, resolve to save lives, issued guidance and issue on what needs to be done to open schools safely. we reviewed the scientific evidence. we answered more than 20 of the most challenging questions. and we did find good information on the cdc website, as well as from around the world. so we need to learn together and, frankly, schools are going to have to try different approaches and see what works. we don't know all of the answers. we have to protect our kids. we have to protect the staff, teachers and others in the community. at the same time, one of the things the cdc document does outline today in good detail is there are real costs to not opening schools. so it is a question of balancing risks and benefits, but i come back to the most important
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single point. you can't open schools and keep them open if you have explosive spread in the community. >> dr. tom frieden, always good to have you here. thank you so much for answering our questions today. still ahead -- many, many businesses now forced to close for a second time. a lot of them saying they can't afford to reopen. i'll be asking the man in charge of helping those businesses in california, tom steyer. how small business can rebound with the threat of another shutdown looming. first, up to 28 million americans could now face eviction starting at midnight tonight. we'll have the latest on the negotiations for another relief bill. i'm still discovering what's next. and still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib... ...not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm reaching for that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin.
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this stuff matters. there could be a wave of mass evictions across the country. the federal moratorium on evictions signed into law as part of the c.a.r.e.s. act is set to expire at midnight tonight putting up to 28 million of americans at risk of getting kicked out of their homes in the coming months. and homelessness could increase up to 45% by the end of summer. time is running out for congress to pass another coronavirus relief bill. the extra 600 bucks in weekless jobless benefits is set to run out. we are still seeing unemployment lines like this one in kentucky as lawmakers are struggling to get on the same page.
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nbc's leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill and cal perry in paducah, kentucky, where mitch mcconnell's constituents are reacting to the hold-up. how are negotiations going on the hill? >> not good. senate republicans left town for the week without releasing their draft proposal on this covid relief bill. mitch mcconnell had hoped to unveil the bill this past monday or tuesday. that didn't happen. it slipped to the end of the week. that didn't happen either. he's run into a lot of obstacles, and negotiating with the administration and also trying to sell this legislation to his republican conference. one of the biggest sticking points is that unemployment insurance extension. there are -- no republican wants to extend the $600 weekly benefit. others say that it should just be what the states give. no republican wants people to make more on unemployment than they make in their current
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positions. that is a massive sticking point. but, remember, steph, this is just a draft proposal. this is what they were going to unveil so they could start negotiating with democrats. and the fact they can't even get out of the starting gate with their draft proposal among republicans does not bode well for congress. it also doesn't bode well for millions of americans who are relying on this and just hanging on this cliff when these unemployment insurance are set to expire. >> cal, what are people in kentucky saying? i mean, this is leader mcconnell's home state. >> -- not just the individual worker. we're also talking about, of course, schools. and for small cities like this one, population 25,000, we're talking about becoming very difficult to balance those city budgets when revenue basically disappears overnight, which is what happened in small towns like this one. you talk about the schools, it's not a hypothetical. it's not down the road. they need the bill right now.
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take a listen to the superintendent of the schools here. >> in the next package, we need it sooner rather than later. it's definitely not a time for politics. it's a time to be focused on america. and focus on our children and kind of put that aside. and we need that as soon as we can and with that is flexibility. >> you have that difference between politics in washington and what happens out here on the ground. schools are certainly a good example of that. we asked the superintendent, did he pay much attention when the president said we're going to link funding to opening of the schools and in-person learning? part of that is the parents. a lot of parents will not be bringing their kids into school even if it's offered. that makes remote learning very important. what's key is getting the technology to the people who need it. high-speed internet say problem out here. that's why you talk infrastructure. you talk about the need for that in this bill as well, stephanie. >> all right. cal, thank you so much. we're going to leave it there. next, the justice
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the justice department's inspector general announcing an investigation into use of force allegations against federal agents in portland, oregon, and washington, d.c. portland saw its 56th straight night of protests last night as tensions there continue to escalate. i want to go live to portland and nbc's erin mclaughlin. what's going on? >> hey, stephanie. calm has returned here outside the federal courthouse in
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portland. let me get the camera to pan over to the park across the street from the courthouse. you can see there's an encampment there. breakfast is being served. they are surveying the damage, though, here, outside the courthouse itself. clashes ensued the early hours of the morning. let me just let steve walk on in and show you the damage. they managed to breach the steel barrier that surrounds the courthouse. protesters lobbing projectiles as well as incendiary devices and that's when they asked the crowd to disperse and then the agents appeared spraying tear gas. this time the agents pushing some three blocks outward to try and get the protest crowd to disperse. it all began with a peaceful demonstration. protesters gathering to rail against racial injustice and then devolving into chaos from there. but as you can see, once again, calm has returned here to
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portland. >> explain to us what's going on with the ig because this is just one of several legal actions under way to actually inve lely investigate, not the protesters, but these federal agents. can you explain? >> yeah, you have the review being conducted by the ig. you also have several restraining orders that currently in the works here in the court. one issued by the federal court, a federal judge yesterday. that was at the request of the aclu, essentially putting into protections already existing protections, reinforcing those protections that are in place for journalists and independent monitors that are observing the protests' activities. there's also a pending motion by oregon's attorney general asking a federal judge to put in more protections to reinforce what she argues are unlawful arrests to prevent that from happening again at the hands of federal agents. neither of those court actions
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will actually resolve the situation at hand. neither of those court actions will get what ultimately the protesters and other local leaders here want which is the federal agents to leave. so it seems like it's possible the cycle of violence could continue for some time. >> all right. if these court decisions aren't going to solve it let's try to find some solutions that might. i want to bring in zach, a former marine infantry officer and current executive director of the headstrong project, a nonprofit providing mental health care treatment for military veterans and their families. zach, thank you for being here. i want to start with a bit of what president trump said last night about sending federal agents into chicago. please watch this. >> if they invited us in, we'd go in with 50,000, 75,000 people. we would be able to solve it like you wouldn't believe it and quick. but they just don't want to ask. maybe for political reasons. but they don't want to ask.
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it's a disgrace. >> the president says with 75,000 people, he could solve it like you wouldn't believe. do you believe it? >> i think the question is, solve what? and who is he talking about sending? if he's talking about sending 60,000, 70,000 troops as an occupying force. i was part of an occupying force overseas. that doesn't work. but if he's talking about sending 60,000, 70,000 people who are going to be developing drug treatment programs, work force development programs, fixing schools, yeah, there's something that could be done there. >> all right. well, you and i both know that's not what he's talking about, but you did write a recent piece for the "daily news" entitled "the path to better policing. we expect cops to do too many jobs." can you explain what you mean? >> yeah, absolutely. so i have two iraqi sisters in the nypd. their father was my translator in iraq.
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and i'm incredibly proud of both of them. the two of them have been working insanely hard. they came over here as refugees. the last three months in particular, shama got covid. abir hasn't seen her son in weeks and very rarely over the last couple of months to the movement protests and through covid. and you look at what these two women do as police officers. i mean, they've worked as doctors, abir has had to try and save somebody's life who is bleeding out from a gunshot wound. they work as marriage counselors when they've responded to domestic violence situations. they've worked as drug treatment specialists when they've gone into drug houses. abir has also worked as basically a psychologist or psychiatrist. she saved two people from jumping off the staten island ferry. and when you think about new york city has spent about $90 billion a year. that's more than 48 out of 50 states. there are a number of city
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agents that are responsible for providing those services. and so what i say -- when i say we're asking our cops to do too much, the question is, where are these other agencies working day-to-day on the streets, 24/7, in realtime to support communities and neighborhoods? >> but you and i both know how government works and how slow it works and how disconnected. you wrirkte, we should build a 21st century public safety ecosystem that distributes the sole responsibility of public safety from law enforcement across multiple city agencies. listen, that is an extraordinary idea, but knowing what you know about how government works, about how these agencies work, is it realistic? could something like that ever really happen? >> i think what other choice do we have? there's plenty of examples of government transforming and working. we have a government especially in new york city that's stuck in the 1950s that is siloed and
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departmental and not working together. if you look back at the history of the iraq war and in some ways, there are some analogies at work and others that don't, but you take governor stanley mcchrystal. he took very siloed special operations units, intel agencies, brought them together into task forces to work in communities and transform the way their special operations work overseas by creating an integrated model. and i don't think that's too much to ask of our government. and i think it is possible with the right leadership to do that. otherwise we'll continue to be offered this false choice of public safety versus criminal justice reform. and i think it is critical that we demand that we be able to have both. a woman who is a nurse walking home from work at night in the south bronx or parts of queens, she should feel as safe seeing
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two cop cars on her walk home from the subway system as her son or her nephew does seeing those two cop cars on their way to school. and i really don't think that's too much to ask. it's important government works for us and not the other way around. >> well, zach, we've got to find a way to do it. thank you for joining me today. we're going to leave it there. next, we talk about it all the time. it's a health crisis that sparked an economic crisis. can't solve the economic crisis until your get the health situation tackled. yet some businesses right now, they are being forced to shut down again for a second time as the coronavirus continues to spread. we're going to dig through how they're going to get through it again. tom steyer, a man charged with trying to solve this in california, joins us next. first, breaking overnight. china has ordered the u.s. to close its consulate in chengdu as retaliation to a u.s. demand
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coronavirus cases still spiking in the state of california. the state reporting its highest daily death toll yesterday bringing the total death count to more than 8200. l.a. county is hit the hardest making up more than half of the deaths. the mayor there, eric garcetti, says he'll not be issuing a second stay-at-home order for now. joe fryer is outside a hospital in burbank. what's going on there? >> yeah, so so far in california, the number still not moving in the direction that people are terribly happy with here. we know what we're seeing right now with case numbers likely impacted by the holiday weekend, which was nearly three weeks ago. we also know here in california, we saw that big roll back in
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reopening plans shutting down a number of businesses across the state. that was just a week and a half ago. is that going to make a difference in the case numbers here in california? officials say you have to wait two, closer to three weeks before you see if those changes are going to have any sort of significant impact or whether more roll backs will be necessary. we know now for a couple of weeks that los angeles has been talking about the potential of another shutdown but this week, mayor gar scetti said there's n imminent plan to shut down businesses even more. they'll keep an eye on the numbers and hope that positivity rate, the percentage of tests coming back positive will drop a little more so they don't have to shut things down more. something they're continuing to keep an eye on. stephanie? >> joe, thank you. joining us to discuss, a man who truly understands this crisis in california. tom steyer. he's a former presidential candidate, longtime businessman and philanthropist. now the chief economic recovery adviser to governor gavin newsom
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in california. tom, given that california has now surpassed new york in its count, how do you curve this uptick in cases but not crush businesses for a second time? >> well, stephanie, as you know, the governor has said from the beginning that in order to protect livelihoods, we have to protect lives first. so he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do, which is reacting to the data on health. and making -- changing rules and protocols as the numbers dictate. so, in fact, as you said, he's closed down bars, indoor eating and movie theaters as a response. and we also have a massive public service campaign about masking, about obeying the protocols so that together we can protect each other and we can take this into our own hands
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so that we can protect the lives of californians and protect the economy of california. >> well, you're the person charged with figuring out the livelihoods. you are the person speaking to the bars, restaurants and movie theaters every day. are they going to be able to survive this? >> well, we are doing a number of things to support the governor as he deals with the pandemic. so, for instance, stephanie, we're in the middle of a campaign called shop safe, shop local, which is designed to support small businesses across california which are a source of so much employment and so much entrepreneurship, particularly in the black and brown communities. and so that shop safe, shop local campaign involves things like giving them access to personal protective equipment. helping them adapt. helping them move on their -- move their businesses online in
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a way maybe they couldn't without support. and also directing customers to their local small businesses. united airlines is doing a public service announcement on every flight into and out of california to support this campaign. we're doing a number of things to try and support the governor as he works on this pandemic, deals with the data and tries to adapt the protocols to what's going on to protect the lives of californians. >> these are important campaigns. they're a really good idea. but do you think they are actually working? i want to read for you an account from a small businesswoman in california, brittany valley, the owner of gorilla tacos in l.a. she opened her restaurant again after a month of preparations only to be told five hours after she opened she had to close again. she asked, what do i do now? i am out here trying to survive, trying to build generational
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wealth. i'm angry. as a woman, i'm angry. as a small business owner, i'm angry. there's no winning for the little guys. we're under the boot of big business, politicians with price tags and a system that is set up to fail. what do you say to small business owners like brittany? >> stephanie, this is a very tough situation. we're in the middle of a pandemic. that pandemic has caused a sharp slowdown in business and employment. and we're talking about the most vulnerable people. a small business owner, a woman of color trying to adapt to a very difficult environment. so we're looking at multiple crises. we're talking about the pandemic, the economic crisis, and the situation about racial justice in this country which has been a structural problem and now is at the forefront as well. that's exactly why we're doing
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all the things we're doing in our task force and exactly what gavin newsom, as governor, is trying to respond to. so we're doing everything we can to support that woman to make sure there are protocols for dining outdoors so people can adapt their businesses to the new reality and survive and come out the other side. that's exactly what we're trying to do and she is in a very tough situation. and, of course, she's angry because there's nothing fair about that. but, in fact, the state, the governor and our task force is organized around trying to help her adapt, give her support so that we can get through this together. >> but do you think it's actually working, tom, even given all those efforts? when you think about the thousands of small businesses that are closing every day that have serious restrictions because they need to. and compare that to big box stores, big publicly traded
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companies, chain restaurants that are making enormous amounts of money. does it not concern you that a year from now we won't have any independent mom and pop anythings? >> of course it concerns me. of course i recognize that the big businesses have access to wall street money, to bank money, and, in fact, small businesses don't have the resources or the capital that enables them to easily weather the storm. that's exactly why we're doing what we're doing, stephanie because those small businesses really are the heart and blood of employment in our state and of entrepreneurship in our state. gavin newsom is a small business person himself. he used to run restaurants and bars. so he knows in his bones how exposed these people are. how exposed this woman is to the vagaries of health and economy. and that's why we're organized in our task force specifically to look at equity injustice in
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every single decision, in every campaign to try and support people exactly like the woman whose words you're quoting. >> then what needs to be done from the federal government's perspective? we know the expanded unemployment benefits, that extra $600 runs out this weekend. and we hear over and over from some republican lawmakers that there are lots of people that could go back to work but they're not going back because they're making so much money when in fact, the majority of those $600 payments are going to utilities, rent, groceries, which then go right back into the economy. without those benefits, what could things look like, especially in a place like california? >> look, obviously, those expanded unemployment benefits are kricritical to the people o california. so it's incumbent upon the federal government, which is the only place in our system that can do deficit spending. it can basically borrow in order to deal with -- money to deal
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with current problems. it's incumbent upon the federal government, not just to support the people of california with continued unemployment insurance benefits but also to come in and support state government and local governments who are, by statute, not allowed to deficit spend. they are not allowed to borrow money in tough times like this when tax revenues are down, in order to provide essential services. it's absolutely incumbent upon the federal government to continue to support the people of the united states and of california and the state and local governments around this country, including specifically california because they have the power of the purse and, in fact, they cannot walk away from the people of the united states and the local governments. >> tom, thank you for joining me this morning. i so appreciate it. i'm sending you well, healthy wishes. things are really serious,
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especially in the state of california. maybe next time you're in l.a., head to gorilla tacos. that woman needs business. >> i'll go down there and buy tacos. >> thank you, brittany. get ready. tom is coming for tacos. twitter removed thousands of accounts that were spreading conspiracy theories, but here's my question. what are you doing, facebook? first, the 2020 major league baseball season is finally under way. four teams faced off last night. all four started by kneeling, kneeling before the national anthem while holding a black cloth in solidarity of the black lives matter movement. in d.c., dr. anthony fauci threw out the first pitch at nationals park. i wouldn't even say it wasn't quite a perfect toss. it was a terrible toss from a super guy. the yankees beat the nationals, 4-1 in a rain-shortened contest. and the dodgers beat the giants, 8-1. my executive producer is dancing on her couch right now over that.
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this morning, social media platforms weighing their options after twitter announced this week that it will take major steps to limit the reach of content. they will stop recommending content related to the right wing conspiracy theory. joining me to discuss, kevin
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ruse. catch us up to speed what qanon is all about and what concerns you most? >> sure, qanon is a pro trump conspiracy theory,pizza gate, a democrats and some republicans are involved in global sex trafficking ring, that they are, you know, that they are taking steps to traffic children around the world, that -- and that president trump was elected in part to put a stop to this. qanon followers, there are many of them, some of these facebook groups and as you said twitter took action on 150,000 accounts, some of the qanon facebook groups have more than 100,000 members. this is not a fringe movement. this is becoming a mainstream concern. qanon believers are running for congress. they're also going out into the world sometimes and committing
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real world acts of violence against people they perceive as being part of this demonic kabal. >> what about other platforms like facebook? i spoke to facebook this week and they said they're not ready to make any official announcement, they said they have been talking to "the new york times" about all they're doing behind the scenes. what are they doing? >> so they're preparing to announce some sort of similar action. youtube also said they have been limiting the reach of some qanon videos. but i think twitter is sort of out in front of these other companies on taking sort of the most dramatic steps including taking down some accounts. and really the reason that they're doing this is because of the behaviors of these qanon people, not because of what they believe, it is abuse they're harassing people, they're swarming people, they are, you know, ganging up on people and flooding their twitter mentions with accusations about these sex
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trafficking rings that they supposedly think are going on. it is more about how they're behaving on the platform than the actual content of the conspiracy theory. >> you do track every day the most popular facebook posts that are spread. what have you found? >> well, i started doing this a few years ago. i have access to a tool called crowd tangle which is a great tool, facebook owns this tool, and it allows you to see the most popular posts every day on facebook. and i just started posting these to twitter because i thought this is interesting. i don't think most people sort of know or have this view of facebook as a whole. and so it has gotten a pretty big reaction. i've been pretty surprised by how strongly people have reacted to seeing what are the top performing posts in the u.s. and they tend to be as you can see there are a lot of right wing news stories on there, a lot of right wing personalities,
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and i think that people are reacting to this in part because there is this narrative coming from the right that they are being silenced, that they are being censored, they don't have a presence on platforms like facebook. i think what this data shows is they absolutely do. >> kevin, i'm out of time. i have to ask you before i go, two weeks ago there was all this talk, lots of major companies boycotting any ad spending on facebook until facebook changed their policies. where do we stand on that? it has kind of gone silent. >> yeah, we really haven't heard too much about it in past couple of weeks. i think technically they were preparing for a one-month boycott, so that's -- july is almost over, we'll see if they reup their decision, when august starts. but i think this is not really phasing facebook too much. i think they have millions of advertisers, a couple hundred pulling their ads is not something that is going to pose an immediate threat to their business. i think what is more of a threat is a potential of regulation,
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the potential that internal morale is sichk inking and the potential they're going to be pulled into another controversy around the 2020 election. >> all right, kevin, thank you so much. thank you for waking up early, kevin roose is on the west coast. this is very early for him. i appreciate it. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. my friend ayman mohyeldin picks up coverage next. d ayman mohyel up coverage next ♪ ♪ ♪ the open road is open again. and wherever you're headed, choice hotels is there. book direct at ♪
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