we went from a couple people on ventilators to close to 200. 100 people on icus to way over 200. we went from 12 people dying in two and a half months to 35 people dying in one morning. i've never seen anything like this in my 35-plus years of medicine. the last two weeks in particular have been exhausting because we realize that our death rates are
so high. you want to cry just walking down the hallways. i think our tolerance has been less, our exhaustion has been greater, and our feeling of impotence is going to grow. although we've improved, we still don't have an answer for it. we still don't know how to treat it. it triggers what people are supposed to do when they don't feel that sick, and with a majority, it's hard to win. when people get sick, we've had two nurses die, two doctors died. four hours ago i was putting in a chest tube in a nurse i had known for 34 years, putting her on life support, and you see that all these deaths are preventable. they're preventable. people just don't pay attention and that's extremely frustrating. >> that was dr. ivan melendez of the hidalgo county health authority in texas. he was speaking with msnbc's morgan chesky.
i'm daly in for chuck todd. more than a thousand people now have died for three consecutive days in the uttse and the total deaths of this pandemic above 145,000, the total number of cases over 4 million now. 75,000 were confirmed just yesterday. as you can see, hospitalizations are at rates not seen since the spring, and deaths, while lower than the spring peak, are rising. the outbreak is being driven by multiple hot spots. this is the curve for cases, hospitalizations and deaths in florida. this is texas right now, and here you can see the situation in california, the country's largest state. and this morning the coordinator of the white house's coronavirus task force said those three states are battling crises that
are on par with what new york experienced. >> i just want to make it clear to the american public, what we have right now are essentially three new yorks with these three major states. and so we're really having to respond as an american people, and that's why you hear us calling for mass aks and increa social distancing to really stop the spread of this epidemic. >> as public health officials like dr. anthony fauci urge more states to roll back their reopenings, they are more in a state of what appears to be economic disruption. financial relief is about to expire for millions of americans, and the next rescue package is being delayed by republican disagreements on capitol hill. at the white house, there is clearly a growing sense of anxiety. the president has been speaking nearly daily from the white house podium this week after aides reviewed some poor poll numbers which led to a negative
shi -- notable shift in the president's downplay of this virus surge. >> it will probably unfortunately get worse before it gets better. we're asking everybody that when you are not able to socially distance, wear a mask. people elected me to help and to protect. so i told my team it's time to cancel the jacksonville, florida component of the gop convention. >> reporter: were you simply not convinced that you could keep people safe at the convention? >> i just felt it was wrong, steve, to have people go to what turned out to be a hot spot. >> but at the same time we've also heard the president this week say he believes that testing is overrated and that this virus is going to burn out. so where do we go from here, and what does the president do or say now? joining me now from the white house is my nbc news colleague carol lee, ashley parker of the
"washington post" and msnbc analyst. thank you both for joining us. carol, you heard dr. birx say you've got multiple new york events that are playing out right now in these various states. we put some of these numbers up there. you heard the general encouragement to wear masks, the general encouragement for best practices there. but are there any specific steps, any specific policy steps that the administration is taking now or talking about taking in response to the situation that she describes? >> well, look, one of the things that they haven't fully addressed but that they are talking about, and as you mentioned there isn't a plan out there, is this issue of testing which has been the issue, frankly, from the beginning, but now they're in a situation where you have people waiting days, if not more than a week, to get test results, and that's according to the experts, including those who work for the president, and it's really creating problems in terms of being able to get a handle on the virus.
now, in terms of the president's tone and the shift that we've seen in the last week, this is a broad political reset or an attempt to do that. we've gone from he had a campaign shake-up, now he is striking this new tone that he's been taking and it's a real recognition, particularly on the convention announcement, that the virus is dictating his strategy here, that that is something that he has really resisted since the pandemic became an issue several months ago, and now we're seeing him -- not only, according to officials, will he do these briefings but he's getting out to do events. he's going to north carolina on monday to a manufacturer that's involved in the vaccine development, he'll be doing other events. really, the hope is that he can stay as much as he can on message and reset here because they were looking at some really terrible polls and recognized
that the president was on track to lose in november. >> so carol lee is mentioning the change in the president's tone this week, maybe a change in what he's going to be doing in the days ahead. dr. anthony fauci, of course, he's not been at the briefings the president was holding this week, but he addressed that topic of the president's tone this week. he was on fox news earlier. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i think what's happening is you're seeing a resolution of a realization of the reality of what's going on, and i believe he's adjusting to that right now and acting accordingly. i'm very, in many respects, positively responding to that because that will set a good example for the rest of the country. >> ashley, i wonder if you could pick up on what carol was just talking about there, because this is a message, an approach to this certainly in public that the president has not really taken before. this is something he seemed very reluctant to do. now, at least for this week, the message he's delivering on this is a little bit different.
can you talk a little bit about what was going on behind the scenes there, who he was talking to, what was being told to him? what could bring about such a shift here, at least in terms of his public rhetoric on this? >> absolutely. and i think it's first important to mention that this shift is coming basically six months after the virus first arrived in the united states. so this is a shift people would have loved to have seen, or they would have loved to have it been admonish admonished. there is a behavior they would have liked to see from the very beginning. it's happening now six months later. he was seeing polls about how poorly he was doing against joe biden, not just on the matter of the coronavirus but other metrics. the other thing is his team has been trying to get him to fully engage with this crisis for a while, and one thing they did was show him projections showing him the virus is now in red states where trump supporters
live, and next wave of surges are expected in critical battleground states, especially in the midwest, and that means his base and/or republicans. that also helped get him engaged. one of the reasons he wasn't able to get engaged early on, i'm told, people close to him say he does really believe in this sort of magical thinking. the president even this week when he was staying, quote, unquote, on script, he said twice in the briefing skproroom once in an interview that he thinks the virus will magically disappear. changing his tone, they said, would have been a tacit admission that he was wrong. he hates to admit that he's wrong. and third, after he set up the coronavirus task force with mike pence as the head, he was sort of lulled into a sense of what was clearly false complacency that it was being handled and the virus is out of control. he has now come to the
understanding that that is not the case and it's hurting the economy in the united states and his political fortunes, and he's decided to, at least this week, stick to a script that others have told him to. >> folks around the president, folks who are maybe the president's allies who might welcome the rhetorical shift he's taken this week, what is their sense of the question of how long this is going to last, because it just seems there are so many examples with this president where he will stake one sort of new position in public and then he's on twitter six hours later completely undercutting it. what's the staying power on this? >> i think expectations are relatively low. this is a president who, even if he reads off a script for a while, he tends to shift back to where he's comfortable. the hope, in talking to people around the president, is he now recognizes he has to do this if he wants to win in november and that that will encourage him to stick to the script as much as
he can. but, you know, people, whether it's republicans on the hill or people in the white house, they know who this president is and that he struggles to stick to a script, so they don't expect him to do that entirely rk, but i w say the convention and his reversal there was seen as a pretty significant concession in the sense that this is a president who doesn't like to back down. while the writing was on the wall, he's now out there searching for a stage somewhere in the country to deliver a speech from rather than having this big pageantry that he wanted and moved his convention to florida to be able to do. so when you talk to people, they are saying if you look at this past week, they feel good about it, but to your question of whether or not it has any staying power, it's really just a wait and see. >> all right, carol lee in front of the white house, ashley parker from the "washington post." thank you both for joining us. i really appreciate that. joining us for a medical perspective active is dr. gupta,
medical pulmonologist. dr. gupta, thank you for joining us. you've got dr. birx's characterization today of what's going on as sort of a version of several new yorks from the peak. i guess it's a two-part question. do you agree with that characterization, and secondly, if so, are there specific federal -- i stress federal -- policy steps that should be taken here? >> you know, i think it's worse than new york, because new york was -- ultimately new york was still localized to new york boo have people in these states not willing to wear masks, much less enforce them.
so there is an uptick in cooperation in texas, florida and california, so i think it's worse than new york. the president is talking about majority top tests now being made to americans, that it's becoming the dominant form of testing. that's just not true. as somebody who has been talking to school districts, to teachers, they want that type of testing. that equipment just does not exist. the president needs to scale that type of device, point of care technology and the detectors that you need to go with it, we need a moon shot on that. he's talking about 15,000 going to nursing facilities. we need millions upon millions of those to really safely open up corporations, universities and school districts. and two, he should federalize a response that would allow him to deploy military assets. we were so ready to do that in ebola. i'm a reservist in icu from the
air force. we're just sitting around here. there are so many opportunities that could help florida, california, parts of texas now, but he needs to see where he's wrong and figure out where these capabilities would finally be put to good use. >> the one area that jumps out at me, when you look at these individual states right now, florida, for instance, which is comparably sized to new york populationwise, i think a little bit bigger. the death rate in florida, while climbing, is still a fraction of what new york's was at the peak. i think there were 110 deaths in florida yesterday, a number right around there. in new york at its peak, that number was up about 780. how high do you think the death rate in a state like florida is going to get here? is that going to get up to where new york's was? >> steve, a death rate is a lack
of an indicator. it's likely infections that occurred about a month ago, we think. that's number one. number two, we've gotten better. there are about 33% of individuals that are lucky enough to get a high quality icu bed end up dying, 37% end up dying. remdesivir, the president loves to talk about remdesivir, icu beds. both of those are in short supply. it's not like you can will icu beds and respiratory therapists and icu nurses at the flip of a switch. that's why you need this stuff ready. you need states to remove license restrictors so people can descend on florida to help that are accurately trained. if we get lulled into a sense of complacency, what i'm worried about here is that death rate
climbing because we don't have governors like governor desantis, governor ducey saying, how can i make sure my hospitals are adequately staffed? that number has been climbing and peaking in places like florida and texas, so if you have hospitalizations climbing, their likely to keep climbing unless you get policies in place now. >> that's the reason i'm asking. if you have spreads at the level of these case counts we currently do right now, the possibility is does that go even higher. i guess what i'm asking is, given what you learned the last few months, given what's learned about remdesivir, and i understand what you say about getting that in position to help people, but we've heard things about remdesivir. i've heard things as simple as putting patients on their stomachs instead of their backs likely hurts them. i guess my question is, what is the capability right now in
terms of reducing the death rate? >> i'm glad you asked that, steve, because there is no magic bullet. we have no data to say remdesivir is actually saving lives. could be, but we have nothing we can say with confidence. putting them on a belly, it takes a village, steve. it takes four respiratory therapists and a dog, and most people don't want the dog there, but it means staffing and it means having the beds to make sure you flatten that death rate curve. you need personnel. it takes a lot here. that's my concern, that there's no magic bullet, no pill you can take, no ventilator you can build that's going to solve this problem here. it's going to require human capital and it's going to require forward thinking on the part of health systems to shut down their elective procedures, even though i know that's what helps to keep the lights on, to say, hey, we need that surge
capacity. these are the questions that health places are concerning themselves with, and that's why it might give temporary pause to say, oh, i might actually be doing a good job, but it's going to lower us into a sense of complacency. >> dr. vin gupta, thank you for the time. coming up, enhanced unemployment benefits, but there is no guarantee on a health bill. jacksonville, florida no longer hosting the national republican convention which the mayor says leans democratic in the presidential race. (vo) the time is coming for us to get out and go again.
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proposal by senate republicans which will be announced on monday, and then we'll be sitting down with the democrats to see what we can agree to do going forward. >> welcome back. that was senate majority leader mitch mcconnell just a few hours ago. by the time we do see the senate republicans' plan on monday, millions of americans could be facing eviction with a federally mandated moratorium on evictions expiring by the end of tomorrow. more than that, out-of-work americans could be on the brink of losing that $600-a-week bonus. that was on top of the unemployment payments. that was set to expire by the end of next week. time is running out on getting something passed. joining me now, senator chris
coons. you've got these deadlines looming, you've got disagreements here. it would appear even among republicans the prospect of legislation being agreed to by both parties by the end of next week when this unemployment insurance expires, what do you think those are, those prospects? >> well, steve, this is just a moment where the republican leadership and the senate is demonstrating that they're not able to govern in the best interests of the american people. we've got 30 million americans relying on that extra $600 a week for unemployment benefits, we've got a third of all americans who missed their july housing payments, whether rent or mortgage. and we've had months to get this done, months. the house democrats passed the heroes act two months ago that this is now up against a deadline that has millions of americans sitting on the edge of their seat, wondering if they're going to lose their home or lose the unemployment payments that have helped sustain them. this is just irresponsible.
it's going to take a lot of hard work and negotiations in the next few days to put together a bipartisan package that can actually pass the senate, the house and get signed by president trump, but the reason we're in this quandary is there are too many republicans who have been dismissing this pandemic. we have a president who has irresponsibly failed to lead in an organized, federal way in response to this pandemic, and now we're going to be busy playing catch-up in the next couple of days, trying to pass something. >> well, let's get into -- i see your microphone might be freezing. hopefully that signal is still working. senator, if you can hear me, i want to get into the basic disagreements here. we mentioned there is a lot of confusion on what's going to emerge on the republican side, but one of the very basic fault lines that seems to exist here is about this $600 a week federal boost to federal unemployment. the state pays a certain amount,
it varies by state, the feds kick in, and has been doing so for several months, $600 a week on top of that. correct me if i'm wrong, you want to keep that going, that $600 a week. there is disagreement on the republican side on what to do, but they say they do not want to continue at $600 a week. their argument here is they cite a study from the university of chicago, they say two-thirds of the people receiving that bonus are now making more than they did before the program began, more than they were making in their jobs. are you open to reducing that at all? >> well, steve, i'm not going to negotiate with you against what has already been passed by the democratic majority in the house two months ago. i do think that fuinding some path forward to we won't fund any extra money at all after
what the american people have been relying on, doing it right before this deadline is frankly a failure to lead by republicans. i do think we should find some path forward that provides support for millions of americans who are and will remain unemployed, while also providing incentives for folks to return to work. one of the key things that's miss, steve, in a return to work is a federally issued safe standard. osha, the occupational health and safety administration, which is charged with providing safe standards for returning to work has failed to do their job. instead majority leader mitch mcconnell is trying to jam through a liability waiver, a very broad liability waiver for all employers, something that would be unprecedented in its breadth and its impact. >> and i'm just seeing again the senator's picture freeze here. i will ask the next question --
>> i think we have an extension of unemployment benefit. >> senator, i'm sorry, we had lost you there for a few seconds. i'll just ask you one more assuming you can hear me, and that is on the direct relief payments, the direct payments that went out to americans in the first round several months ago, do you anticipate there being agreement there for another round, and if so, how much and would it be universal? >> look, one of the ways we can make sure americans are getting relief, those who are under a lot of pressure, potentially losing their housing, others who have lost their jobs, is through a direct relief payment. exactly what it ought to be and on what timeline should be negotiated between the democratic leader in the house, speaker pelosi, and the white house, the majority leader in the senate, obviously with participation from minority leader schumer. frankly, we should have gotten this done before now so that
americans watching us right now had confidence about when and how that payment was going to come. >> chris coons, senator from delaware. thank you for that. the president withheld the republican convention in jacksonville because of coronavirus concerns. we'll talk to the mayor who pushed to have the convention in his city in the first place. but first, baseball is back. the national baseball season kicked off last night, the yankees playing the world champion, washington nationals. did you ever think anyone would be saying that? dr. anthony fauci made the first pitch. it was just outside. players took a knee while holding a black cloth, which is solidarity for the black lives matter movement. the first home run landed in a row of empty seats. that was a stark reminder that baseball season of 2020 meant
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convention at last night's coronavirus briefing. >> people elected me to help and to protect. so i told my team it's time to cancel the jacksonville, florida component of the gop convention, and i'll still do a convention speech in a different form, but we won't do a big, crowded convention per se. it's just not the right time for that. >> trump attributed the move to florida status as a virus hot spot, finally bowing to the reality of this situation, but it comes after the president railed at north carolina's governor where the convention was originally planned for restrictions that would prevent the full-scale convention the president had wanted. jacksonville's mayor put forward his city as an alternative. jacksonville's lenny curry joins me now. thank you for joining us. welcome. let me ask you first, we all heard about this when the president unexpectedly announced
it at his briefing yesterday. is that when you learned it, or did you get a heads-up on this. >> the short answer is i learned about it yesterday but there is a longer answer there. when i approved the convention, we were at a 4% rate. we always said we would monitor and make decisions accordingly. we had been communicating with infections in our city. we coordinated it looked like we had plateaued. the question is where do we go from here? we're still planning events, but the president made the right decision. he decided it was time to pull the plug on this in the interest of the health and safety of the people of jacksonville, the people of florida and the united states of america. >> so you agree with his decision, then? you think going forward with this convention would have posed a public health risk? >> here's what we know.
the virus looked under control early june here in jacksonville, and in florida, frankly, really low in our city. we saw spikes over the last few weeks. our hospitals have been managing it but we have seen an increase in hospitalizations. we still had over a month to go. we were still planning activities, but we were communicating the daily situation on the ground. i talk in an organized phone call with hospitals every week, i also talk to them every day, every other day, individually. so the latest communication to the white house and the rnc was yesterday morning, and the president made the decision that let's go ahead and pull the plug now. there is risk that even if we start to decline that maybe we've plateaued that you could see additional spikes. disappointing because when we had stay-at-home orders, people struggling, businesses struggling.
they need the economy, they needed a shot for economic growth, but this was the right thing to do given the new data on the ground that didn't exist weeks ago. >> right, so that's the other question. if the president hadn't made this decision yesterday, would you have? would you have said, mr. president, can't have a convention in this city right now? >> i wasn't there yesterday. i was monitoring it. they knew that i was concerned. and here's what i know. we've been working as a team on this. if a week or two weeks from now the situation on the ground said to me this isn't safe, i would have communicated that to the rnc and to the white house, to the president, and we would have all been in agreement. the bigger point here, though, is he made the decision, he made it early in the best interests of americans. >> what's going to happen here, by the way, just in terms of the logistics of this? you know a community invested in this to some degree, you have some kind of host committee, people donating to this. are people getting refunds if
they donate to do help pull this thing off? >> costs have been incurred. in fact, i was on a call earlier with myself and the coach, brian ballard, of the host committee. we had commitments in the tens of millions of dollars. raised a significant amount of the millions of dollars. so we have the dollars, the host committee has the dollars to honor the obligations, money that's been spent, things have have been done. so there's no taxpayer dollars at risk, and look, the host committee and the donors understand. they're supportive of the president doing the right thing and making sure that safety and public health comes first. >> we got a new poll yesterday from quinnipiac, a florida poll, it was the president trailing joe biden by 14 points, also asked the question about the republican convention in jacksonville. will it be unsafe? nearly two-thirds of voters in the state of florida had that attitude. when you look at the president's gap of florida in the polling,
and quinnipiac had it at 13, others had it closer, but they all have the president trailing right now. when you see a number like that, was this the reason why? >> no. president trump did the right thing. look, i've been mayor for five years now. i've had a handful of my own crises i've had to deal with since this president came into office. hurricanes, we had a large airline crash here there, a number of examples. and this administration, this president, has always been in touch with me on the front end and been helpful and has always done the right thing as exemplified in this case here. >> in terms of the president's deficit in florida, look, he now calls the state his home, a resident of florida. he won the state in 2017, the governors won a seat there. when you see the the president polling in the state of florida,
what is it? >> i don't know why the polls are what they are. i've been involved in politics for quite some time and polls can move in a give dan day or gn week. people can change their decisions just like that, but i would say go back to dekakis/bush. we're going to break down new numbers at the big board. but first, michael cohen just arrived home from prison a few hours ago. a federal judge viewed yesterday that it was wrong to put the former president fixer behind bars. this all stems from a tell-all book cohen is working on. he was banned to work on it from home confinement, but a judge
all right, we've been talking about this for a few weeks now because this has been the story for a few weeks now, at least a few weeks now, more than a few weeks. joe biden leading donald trump in the national horse race polls for the presidential race. what you're looking at here, this is the average of all the polls that are out there right now. we had an nbc one that came out a little while ago, fox, quinnipiac, msnbc. if you average them all together right now, this is what you get, joe biden in the lead of nine points over donald trump. a lot can happen in politics, we know that. this is not to say this will happen on election day. but if this remains steady, if joe biden is able to lead over president trump, it will scourge the map a little bit. when you get one candidate with a big lead nationally, you start to see it in the states, too. let me show you what we've gotten the last couple days here. this is pennsylvania.
last time president trump won pennsylvania, the first republican president to do that. you look at the most recent poll. this is fox news. this came out last night. there is joe biden with an 11-point advantage in pennsylvania. if biden is leading by close to 10 nationally, you'll see swings like that in the state level. that's what you're seeing on fox in pennsylvania. florida, a state trump carried, biden leading, a 14-point lead over trump in florida. the last time a democratic candidate was ahead by double digits, 13 years ago. trump wanted by nine in texas. biden up by a point in texas. big swing there. you see it in michigan. trump won michigan by .3 of one point in 2016. that was the closest of the
three midwest states trump was able to flip. now nine points for biden. minnesota, by the way, this was not a trump state in 2016. it's one of the states trump has talked about making a trump state in 2020. it's one of those states where he this feel they can flip from blue to red. last night fox news poll, not a close race in that poll, though. biden leading by 13 points in minnesota. let's show you the road to 270 map. we'll be using this thing a lot in the coming weeks, coming months. this is what the map looked like in 2016. you can see the most direct path is to win back those three midwestern states they had won for decades and trump took in 2016. if biden was able to get pennsylvania, if he was able to get michigan. we don't have a new wisconsin polls but we've seen wisconsin polls with biden ahead. you pick up those three states for biden, that's it. unless trump flips in minnesota, biden will get the lead.
he did not h if he did not hit in wisconsin, and he won the others, he's still leading. what if he got florida? there are a lot of possibilities. there are endless possibilities, almost, for joe biden. for donald trump, we've been talking about this polling, he's got to tighten that race nationally. he's got to get this down to five points or less, then we can start talking about an electoral map trump could hang on here. that really comes into play when you've got five, four, three points in the national race. at nine points you start talking about a lot of possibilities there for joe biden to flip the electoral college. let's see if this holds, let's see if this changes, but right now a big biden lead. i'll be right back with what is driving these polling dips for the president. two key groups that may be switching teams. keep it here. it here
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dave washington crunched those numbers and wrote an article about these two groups. thank you for joining us. so we just went through the numbers, a big lead nationally for joe biden. take us through the numbers. you're seeing white voters with a college degree and senior citizens. take us through what you're seeing. >> yeah. so much in the same way that 2016 can be defined by noncollege white voters who have remained in the democratic coalition, defecting to trump, the 2020 coalition is currently on track to be defined by the remaining white professional members of the republican coalition, a good number of them, denecking to joe biden. that's why we're seeing texas, for example, basically tied or one or two either way. we're seeing a massive deflection from those college whites from trump in 2016 to joe biden. that's why kansas, for example,
is in the single digits. we're on track for a wider divide. the size doesn't matter with some dispute and joe biden has a comfort level with seniors that hillary clinton did not in 2016. >> you mentioned different numbers floating out there with 2016. but the other side, the white voters without a college degree. very, very strongly pro trump in 2016. we keep talking about them as the trump base. what is his hold on that? what is your sense on that? has there been some slippage? is it as strong as ever? how would you caringize that? >> yeah. if you had to really drill down on the demographic that has moved over, it would be an older college educated white woman. we see a slightly larger gender gap. if i were democrats right now, the one concern i would have about all the numbers we're
seeing is when you break down the demographic data by intended motive voting, college educated whites who favor biden overwhelmingly now, they're the ones really high on voting absentee. with some of the stories we're finding out from the primaries about high rejection rates and states inexperience in the dealing with the crush of absentee ballot requests would those votes be counted, still skewing, and that's still the mode preferred by nonwhites and noncollege whites. the latter group favoring donald trump. >> you point out something very interesting stressing the growth made, with white voters with a college degree. trump's standing with nonwhite voters, you're saying it's not good but it is not as bad as in 2016. is that right?
>> when we look back at the results of 2016, hillary clinton won black voters, according to both exit polls and the congressional cooperative election study by 80 points. joe biden is ahead by 75 right now. among latinos, though, we see an even larger gap. she won by about 40 point if 2016. joe biden is ahead on average, in the average of the most reason interviews by 30 points. so that's a 10-point underperformance. we should caution that nonwhites have the highest degree of undecided right now. particularly younger nonwhites. the theory among crass is that they've come home at the end of the day, as they do in past presidential cycles. but that does seem like an area where trump support has at least held steady since 2016. >> and all of this raises so
many questions. how much is permanent and how much will be reflected pre trump. the other thing is you specialize in house races. so in 2018, of course, democrats picked up control of the house. you rate these races individually. is it likely to be a republican? a democrat in i know recently, put a bunch, you moved a bunch in the democrats' direction. and that's one of the questions. with a large biden lead that you're talking about right now. how that affects the down numbers. >> we moved 20 races in democrats' direction the other week. right now democrats are at least even bets to pick up house seats in november. i would have thought republicans could pick up a small number but probably not what they need for
the majority which is 17. right now democrats could conceivably pick up five, maybe even ten seats as long as biden keeps this lead, presumably in suburban districts. >> all right. appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. we'll be right back. when managing diabetes you can't always stop for a fingerstick. with the freestyle libre 14 day system, a continuous glucose monitor, you don't have to. with a painless, one-second scan you can check your glucose with a smart phone or reader so you can stay in the moment. no matter where you are or what you're doing. ask your doctor for a prescription for the freestyle libre 14 day system. you can do it without fingersticks. learn more at freestylelibre.us.
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chuck will be joined by me and more of our nbc news political team to take a look at the state of the presidential race. this will be airing sunday night, 10:00 p.m. eastern, right here on nbc or catch it two hours earlier on nbc news now, cnp bc.com. >> good evening. you just taught me something. you're not only the able guest host of "meet the press" sometimes, you're also on "meet the press" programs. i guess the only thing you can't do is both at once. >> we'll try someday. >> steve on steve. have a great weekend, man. appreciate it. welcome to "the beat." we have a big show tonight. reports on the new trump legal losses in the fight over sending agents around the nation. we later have a very special guest on race and police reform by the end of the hour. i encourage you to stay with us. we begin with this virus stoking economic desperation and a