the state biden represented in the senate for 36 years. we'll have complete coverage tomorrow night, and what it means for the fight against president trump. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- it's kamala harris, joe biden makes his varietyial pick, choosing his formal rival to be his running mate. tonight, as kamala harris becomes the first woman of color on a presidential ticket, obama senior adviser valerie jarrett on this historic moment. and the last democrat to run for vice president, tim kaine on what harris can expect when it's time to face trump and pence, when "all in" starts right now. good evening, from philadelphia, i'm ali velshi in for chris hayes. after speculating, we know joe

biden's pick for vice.. senator kamala harris of california. the news broke about 4:15 eastern time with texts and email from biden going out to his campaign supporters, saying -- >> he followed up shortly with a tweet calling senator harris -- >> the senator's first reaction came on twitter, writing she's honored to join the ticket and do what it takes to make biden the commander in chief. it was a fitting virtual reveal and reaction for a campaign that's been running almost entirely without in-person events for months amid the coronavirus crisis. joe biden's campaign photographer posted this photo after the announcement, showing the moment that he told senator harris that he had selected her as his vp today over video chat from his home in delaware. but they are actually going to be together in person tomorrow.

they'll deliver remarks at an event near biden's long-time home in wilmington, delaware. a lot of americans were introduced to senator harris during her presidential campaign last year. she was born and raised in california. her mother was a cancer researcher. her father, an economics professor. she started her career as a deputy district attorney. she went on to become the district attorney for san francisco, and then california's attorney general. joe biden noted in his email announcement this afternoon that harris and his late son, bo, were attorney generals at the same time. bo in delaware, which is how joe first met kamala harris. biden writes that bo had enormous respect for harris and her work, and that he thought a lot about that as he made this decision. there's no one's opinion i valued more than bo's. after her election to the senate in 2016, harris gained recognition for her tough questioning of witnesses that came before her on the

intelligence and judiciary committees, like attorney general bill barr following the release of the mueller report. >> attorney general barr, has the president or anyone at the white house ever suggested or asked that you open an investigation of anyone? >> i wouldn't -- i wouldn't -- >> yes or no? >> could you repeat that question? >> i will repeat it. has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone, yes or no, please, sir. >> umm, the president or anybody else? >> seems you would remember something like that and be able to tell us. >> yeah, but i'm trying to grapple with the word "suggest." i mean, there have been discussions of matters out there that they have not asked me to open an investigation but -- >> perhaps they suggested? >> i don't know. i wouldn't say suggest. >> hinted. >> i don't know. >> inferred. you don't know, okay.

>> senator harris' obvious tough talking skills were on display during her run for president when she and joe biden were opponents, perhaps most notably with this exchange at the primary debate last june. >> i'm going to now direct this to vice president biden. i do not believe you are a racist, and i agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground. but i also believe, and it's personal, and it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two united states senators who built their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. and it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose bussing. you know, there was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate

her public schools. and she was bussed to school every day. and that little girl was me. >> that little girl was me. today, joe biden picked kamala harris as his running mate, making history. she'll be the first woman of color on a presidential ticket, in a year where we have seen the largest social unrest in this country's history. so now, the democratic ticket is complete. joe biden and kamala harris will face off against donald trump and mike pence. last week, valerie jarrett signed on to a letter to various media outlets demanding fair coverage of the vice presidential candidate. >> tonight, kamala harris is that vice presidential candidate, a woman of color.

valerie jarrett with me now. we spoke of this on sunday, and i pledged to you then that we will, as media get this right. so now, we start today, kamala harris is the first vice presidential candidate of color in this country's history. she is a woman. your thoughts first of all? >> well, that little girl is more than ready for this job. she's brilliant, she has an extraordinary track record of experience. she's savvy. she has devoted her entire career to public service as vice president biden said, fighting for the little guy. and i cannot wait to see this team on the campaign trail, but even more importantly, when they take over and govern our country during what we know is going to be an extraordinary challenging time. i would also say about her that she has the resilience, she can take a punch, she can give a punch. she's going to be a formidable opponent. i can't wait to see her debate

vice president pence. but she has a kind and generous heart. i think vice president biden saw all of that in her, not to mention she really reflects the best of the american story. as you said, daughter of immigrants who came here and made an incredible life for themselves and she's ready. she's more than ready. >> the republicans had an attack ad ready, i'm sure they had them for all sorts of candidates, but they aired this one seconds after the announcement. it makes an interesting point i want to talk to you about. let's listen to it. >> kamala harris ran for president by rushing to the radical left. embrarsing bernie's plan for socialized medicine, calls for trillions in new taxes, attacking joe biden for racist policies. voters rejected harris. they spotted a phony. but biden is handing over the

reins to kamala. slow joe and phony kamala. perfect together, wrong for america. >> so we have two issues here. one, there are a lot of people on the left who, you know, who see kamala harris as somebody who was a prosecutor. they even criticized her for it. but attacking socialist and radical left to kamala harris, i don't know if that's a great strategy. i don't know how long that will last, but i don't know how much traction it will get either. >> i don't think it's going to get any traction. they're flailing. they don't know how to approach this dynamic duo, and i think the american people are smarter than that. they're smart enough to have watched her carefully throughout her career, seeing the work she did on the judiciary and intelligence committees. recognize that she has the gravitas to command the respect of not just the american people, but leaders on the world stage. so i am confident as this campaign continues, that the american people will see what i see in both of them, and that

leaders who are ready to move our country forward, restore the soul of our country, basic dekren si ad dessecenc decency. and we have just dropped the ball on this pandemic in terms of our leadership and those two will pick it up and run with it and look after us, the american people, particularly the little guy. >> there was an interesting instagram post tonight from sarah palin who -- it almost seemed congratulatory. the idea standing on the shoulder of geraldine ferrero and sarah palin and here is some advice. it was conciliatory and a kind note. but tell me how you think the media is going to handle this and how they should handle it? on one hand, we have a responsibility to hold everybody to account for what they've said, for what they've done. on the other hand, you have -- and others -- have warned, and rightly so, we have a double

standard in this country. but it prevends us from allowing women to advance as easily as men do in politics. >> i guess to put it simply, and i thought of this since our last conversation, ask yourselves would you say the same thing in describing a man? hold yourself to that simple standard. check yourself before you use language that has been historically used to describe women in positions of power but is derogatory, a double standard. if you hold yourself to that, we'll be all right. they are more than ready to have debates on substance and issues. they should be challenged. that's part of this process is their effort to earn the confidence and trust of the american people, and she's more than ready for that. but we will have her back if she's treated unfairly and discriminatory. and i think the american people have -- are sick and tired of that, as well. >> barack obama sent out a statement in which he said --

>> joe biden has picked his partner as a vice presidential candidate, but a lot depends on his partnership with barack obama and americans recognize that. what do you think barack obama's role in this election is going to be? >> i think he's been very clear that he's here to be supportive of vice president biden, and now the partner on the ticket of senator harris in any way he can. he knows vice president biden very well, having served with him for eight years. vice president biden's counsel and advice was instrumentally important. his willingness to take on big pieces of responsibility during their time in office together also vitally important.

so he's earned the overwhelming respect of president obama. so he's there to do whatever is necessary to help these two get over that finish line and use his voice as effectively as we know he can. >> valerie jarrett, thank you for joining us. >> good to see you. >> senior adviser to president barack obama. thank you. and the author of a great book called "finding my voice." kamala harris is going to debate mike pence in their first and only debate october 7 at the university of utah. i want to bring in the last person who debated mike pence during an election, senator tim kaine, democrat of virginia. as you know, he was hillary clinton's running mate back in 2016. senator, good to see you. we were talking probably about a week ago about what these potential candidates are going through and what they're thinking and how to improve their chances. that's all behind us now. the big ticket is going to be october 7. america is going to want to see

what kamala harris can do when she debates mike pence. but it's not a secret. we kind of know what kamala harris is like in adversarial situations, what she's like when she's up against somebody not telling the truth and what she's like when she's up against somebody who is obfuscating. >> yeah, we do, because we've seen her. i think you, ali, have put your thing on something. this is an administration that can't win by telling the truth, so they're going to try to win by not telling the truth. we're living in a pandemic where more than 160,000 americans have died. so many of them, tens of thousands needlessly because it's been so poorly handled, and because the united states handled it so poorly with a president saying the virus was going to go away or preaching quack medicine, it also led to economic devastation we've never seen in the history of the country. you'll hear happy talk from the president and vice president, but kamala is sharp and she's going to be able to make it

extremely plain that people shouldn't be fooled into believing the death toll we've experienced and the economic devastation is any reason to applaud this administration. she'll do a fine job. >> what do you know about her? you worked with her. you had some overlap. you weren't in the senate at the same time, but you had business with her. >> ali, i'm still in the senate. >> you've been in the senate since 2016, that's right. you've both been in the senate since 2016. >> i'm not gone yet. we worked together for four years. kamala is a great colleague. when she came in, in 2016, you know, she has really -- freshman are told to be quiet for three terms, and then you can speak and make your point known. but kamala has come in and done a superb job on intel and on judiciary, you showed some clips earlier of her significant examination of witnesses. she's going to be very, very

well in this job. she's going to have to face off against the double standards we apply to women and even the misogyny that was so obvious when hillary was running in 2016. but she's not unrealistic about that. those of us who care about kamala and about 2020, the centennial of women getting the right to vote, we've got to have her back and try to put a stake through the heart of misogyny and the double standard that's made it so hard for women to be elected to higher office in the united states. >> i know there are some viewers who are unsatisfied with the idea that we're discussing what the opening line of attack from republicans is on kamala harris. the reason it's intriguing is because they've got a lot of time to think about this. kamala harris was an odds-on favorite for a while and have had a lot of time to think about what they are going to come up with, is going to plant the seed of doubt in the minds of americans and move over to the radical left in the embrace of socialism is the best job

they've come up with. i only bring it up, because i don't think it's all that effective. >> i don't think it is either. they were going to say the same thing about anybody that joe biden picked, because they're desperate right now. again, we are dealing with a historic catastrophe in the pandemic response of the united states. best prepared nation in the world handled it in one of the worst aspects in the world because we have a president who said it wasn't a problem, said it was going to go away. preached quack medicine. undercut his own experts. and now seems to be bored with it. i mean, he wants to turn his attention away from the ravages of this. so this is a -- you know, most historic time. what joe biden brings, and the reason he's doing well i think in polling right now, he brings character and compassion, but also confidence. and by picking kamala, he's underline d those character

virtues in an important way. >> again, some people will remember kamala harris with her exchanges with joe biden and other things that happened in the campaign. but people who watch politics very closely will remember that exchange we played at the top of the show with bill barr. kamala harris, you know, addressing bill barr or kamala harris questioning brett kavanaugh. she's got remarkable chops as a lawyer, as a prosecutor, as an attorney general, as a united states senator who has addressed some of the biggest issues of this era that we're in. how, as somebody who ran for vice president, how does that serve her in this particular job? how does she translate that experience to running for vice president? >> well, i think there are sort of two chapters. there's the candidate, and then there's vice president. we have great hopes that this ticket is going to be successful. she's going to need to be tough. remember, joe biden was often used by the obama administration, had tough conversations with members of

congress. i was a governor and saw joe manage the recovery act from the administration. i was a senator in the obama second term on the foreign relations committee and saw joe come up and talk about tough issues like the iran negotiation and the paris climate accord. so i think in a way, i think if kamala is more of the vice president she'll be than in the campaign coming ahead, we need somebody like her. i think she and joe will have complementary personalities that will make them a good team. barack and joe didn't have the same personality type. they shared values, but their personalities were a little bit different and that was a strength. i think we'll see the same thing with joe biden and kamala harris. >> senator, good to see you. i apologize for evicting you from the senate for a few moments there, but we all know and we talk very often that you are in the senate and that's where you have been working with kamala harris for the last four years. so thank you again for your

time. senator tim kaine, senator from virginia and former vice presidential candidate. tonight, much more on this historic moment as kamala harris joins joe biden on the ticket and president trump struggles to mount any sort of attack on biden's new running mate. we'll talk about that next. w rue we'll talk about that next

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harris as his vice president, they don't have much on her either. the president's twitter account rolled out their attack video, accusing kamala harris being part of the, get this, the radical left. immediately after joe biden made his announcement, that apparently is all they have. the second part of the ad shifts to repeating the same things against biden. just a short time ago, vice president pence made the same allegation to a crowd in arizona. the trump campaign has been chomping at the bit for something to stick, and they seem to have only this attempt to tie a decidedly moderate ticket to the radical left. joining me now, amy alison, founder of she the people, and britney cunningham, former member of president obama's 21st century policing task force and two women who i have relied upon heavily in this conversation about who the next president and who the next vice president is going to be. thanks to both of you.

amy, let me start with you. you took a very, very active role in giving voice to the women who are running not just for president, but across the board in american politics. how are you feeling tonight? >> i'm feeling pretty good. you think about it, over the last few months, all the terrible things that are happening, we started saying what is the most strategic, powerful thing that joe biden can do to smooth away for winning back the white house, recognizing the power of women of color, particularly black women voters, and recognizing that we want to govern and lead, putting kamala harris on the ticket is a signal that the biden campaign sees us, hears us, and is ready to make space for us to be governing partners, as we move america forward. it feels great. kamala harris, senator harris is from my hometown here in oakland, and to see her rise from san francisco d.a. through her work in california all the

way to the senate, to hear her advocacy, particularly in times of economic need, right now in times of racial unrest, her calling for racial justice. it means so much personally and for millions of women of color. i believe this is what we needed in order to deepen enthusiasm and turn out women of color the most loyal democrat, democrats in historic numbers in november. >> britney, this was an important thing for a lot of people to have a -- we knew it was going to be a woman, but a person of color. given the moment that we're in, setting aside the fact that we're celebrating 100 years of women voting, the point is, we are in a moment right now. what happens now that kamala harris is the vice presidential candidate, how does that translate in the next 80 something odd days before the election? >> well, you can ask any black woman. we know that we have to be

tougher, stronger, better, faster. twice as prepared, twice as ready to take on the hard things. kamala harris i fully believe is more than prepared to take that on. black women have had to do that throughout history and throughout our lives. and this moment is no different. it is really something to be standing, not just looking at history, but recognizing all of the incredible ways in which black women are responsible for expanding the american political imagination, whether it's organizers in the streets or policymakers like kamala harris and so many others. we have to recognize the power that black women have to rise to the occasion every single time. and i believe this is no different. what we'll also continue to see, because black women are brilliant and bold and powerful, we will see particular attacks that are more unique than what we've seen against just women generally. so we've heard the word misogyny thrown around. but we can be more precise. we can use the word -- specific

to the intersectional discrimination that black women face. we have to get familiar with it and be ready to defend against it, irrespective of what your politics are, because that shouldn't be welcome in the american discourse. >> good point. by the way, britney, i feel like i saw you on the cover of a magazine in the last couple of weeks. so i'm having a star-struck moment. i want to bring in david must have -- david plouffe, campaign manager for barack obama in 2008. david, i'm seeing it on twitter, people are mad because i'm talking about the attacks coming. part of it is underwhelmed. they knew what this ticket was going to be. people have been -- the must republicans have been trying to attack joe biden so long that it got president trump impeached. they don't seem to have much. >> no.

well, president trump and his campaign has been ineffective. their attempts to launch various attacks at biden. so there's no doubt they're going to try to swing kamala harris into that chair. but at the end of the day, one, people vote for the top of the ticket. i think kamala harris is going to bring energy to the ticket. she's got two big moments. next wednesday her convention speech and october 7, the debate against mike spence, or whoever trump pick it is he dumps pence. but day-to-day she'll be strong. the other thing about kamala harris, if joe biden wins, he's going to have a herk lbig task. kamala harris is tough, experienced, she's run the california department of justice. they won't even hide it. it's going to be racial, my some n -- misogynistic. but they have not landed on an effective case against biden.

people start voting in battleground stating in four weeks. but if they want to turn this into a race against kamala harris, that's a race she would win, but that's not the path to beating joe biden. >> you said something interesting there, amy. david said, if trump decides not to dump pence. there's stuff in the ether that the trump campaign is worried enough about the positive effect that kamala harris will have that may be looking at options versus pence. i don't know if they'll come to you, because you seem to have a direct line to the best women in politics. but do you think it's possible that president trump will find somebody to go up against kamala harris? >> wouldn't it be the irony of ironies for the party that's become the home of white supremacy and attacks on people of color, particularly black women, to look for a savior

amongst women of color. it would be ironic and it's not going to work. women of color are the most progressive voters and loyal democrats. it's all about turnout. i don't think it matters what the republicans say. we're not trying to convince any republicans. we need to get our people out first and foremost. black and brown women who in battle ground states can close that margin, and win the white house back. so they can scramble around. he can switch out tents. i personally want to see kamala harris, senator harris eviscerate a republican, whoever it is, vice presidential candidate. if anyone who has seen her on the senate judiciary committee, she has no fear when it comes to facing the republicans and facing them down. some of them saying they get nervous and things like that. she's ready. and women of color are ready to defend her against the kinds of attacks britney was talking about, that unique and ugly

quality of racism and sexism. women of color have come into their power. we're 38 million strong. we're the center of a multiracial coalition. we're not having it. and we're ready. in the last 80 days to do turnout and to win. >> britney, there was some discussion about enthusiasm, particularly amongst african-americans for joe biden. i think joe biden was delay thing pick because he knew it was going to be something people would be enthused about. tell me how that enthusiasm will translate. folks got to vote. this administration is making it harder for people to vote. they're cutting back on the post office. they're talking about mail-in ballots being fraudulent. what happens now? what does kamala harris do that causes people to say i'm getting out there and will put the first woman of color into the white house? >> well, i think you're absolutely right, to pair this conversation about enthusiasm with suppression.

because you can play the most perfect game. but if the rules are rigged and the rest have been bought off, none of that matters and you'll lose every time. we can have the most enthusiastic base. but if this president and party continues to try to steal those votes, then we'll have a tough problem on our hands. and i think that senator harris has been particularly pointed in making sure that we recognize that yes, this president is trying to dismantle the postal service and invalidate mail-in ballots before they come in, that he is very friendly, that we played a huge part in her primary campaign, and that this president continues to suppress votes through all of the classic ways. she has pushed mitch mcconnell to make sure that he passes the voting rights act. so all of these things have to ham simultaneously. we'll see her invest her time and influence there as she has while she's been a member of the senate, because it's important

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let's never forget that on the fundamental issues, we all have so much more in common than what separates us. and, you know, some will say, well, we need to search to find that common ground. here's what i say, i think we need to recognize we are already

standing on common ground. >> we're back now with amy, britney, and david. david, this is going to be a weird campaign any way you cut it. they can't do the things that they normally do. you know joe biden, and you know the energy he gets out of a crowd of people. kamala harris is a great speaker. she's good with crowds, too. what do they do now? >> it's very different. i think, you know, i mentioned two big moments. for kamala harris, it's her convention speech next wednesday, the debate on october 7, the one vice presidential debate. historically on all the other days in the campaign, you know, maybe the nominee, the presidential candidate is in cleveland, but the vice presidential candidate is down in youngstown. you know, you're in different states. so that's going to be less of what we see. and i think, you know, deciding which interviews you're doing,

get grassroots volunteer work, and kamala harris is going to be a huge assist to all the people out there working so hard to contact voters. but it's very different. so it's usually you would say hey, your vice president is going to do these five spots today in these three time zones and your presidential candidate is going to do these five. so it's splitting up interviews, grassroots events, fund-raising calls. she's going to be very helpful, she's been so strong substantively on voter protection. so i think she can help lea wi e ticket there. it is hard to win an election, so the ticket is pretty confident that they're going to enter october with enough support of registered voters to win the election. the question is, does that materialize in votes in i think she can be all over this each and every day.

encouraging democrats to stick with this, because it's going to take huge commitment from all of us to make sure we see this election through, and to make sure that they win. so at the end of the day, how you deploy her is going to be different, and she brings huge assets to this race. the energy that you can sense over the last few hours is real. and i think people are excited about joe biden, are excited about getting rid of donald trump. but kamala harris brings this to another place of excitement and enthusiasm, which this campaign needed. because i still think it's going the tighten. i still think they're going to be engaged in disinformation. so we have to battle through a lot of stuff here. so we'll need everything everyone has got. president obama said let's go win this thing and i think she's going to help us win it. >> amy alison, i wish i were as creative as anything as president trump is at racism. listen to what he said today.

it was creative. he managed to launch a racist attack about somebody he wasn't even talking about. let's listen to this. >> she was extraordinarily nasty to kavanaugh, judge kavanaugh then, now justice kavanaugh. she was nasty to a level that was just a horrible thing the way she was -- the way she treated, now justice kavanaugh. and i won't forget that soon. she was very, very nasty to -- one of the reasons it surprised me, she was probably nastier than even pocahontas to joe biden. she was very disrespectful to joe biden. it's hard to pick somebody that's that disrespectful. >> so he brought elizabeth warren into this whole thing with his derogatory comment about her. but nasty. we're back to nasty again. president trump does this. he calls women nasty. he's been called out on it. it doesn't really change for

him. where does it go from here? >> well, listen, president trump's entire presidency has been attacking women of color, black women in particular, with his name calling. it doesn't matter what he says. listen, we have to -- just like the clip you showed of senator harris' speech, which she talked about common ground, this is the moment to unify. for democrats, it's unifying across race. and so while he says and does whatever he's going to do, we know that he's counting on first and foremost attracting a base of voters that are attracted to his racist sentiment and speech. and that is the opposite of what we're doing. we're unifying our multiracial coalition. we're going deep into states where we need to speak to the hopes and dreams, the pain that we're in. and to believe in this. and that's what we do. we're prepared to defend senator harris against these attacks,

these racist and sexist attacks and we're going to talk about the issues. most of all, we're going to, on the ground, engage our multiracial coalition so that we can be victorious and get president trump out of the white house. >> britney, one of the things about kamala harris, she does dwell in policy, and she's an expert on these things. you were -- you're a co-founder of campaign zero. you were part of president obama's 21st century policing task force. policing is a major issue right now. how does this position you and the people like you who are fighting for more fairness in policing? on one hand, you have somebody in skkamala harris who understas the issue very well. what do you hope to get out of that? >> i think it's going to be really important to recognize that brave and courageous people on the streets all over the country, for the last six or seven years, especially in this year have moved america further and faster on this issue than i

think many people were expecting. so there's a real opportunity for the biden/harris campaign to expand the table of people they are listening to, and make sure they are thoroughly and thoughtfully helping design what the future can look like in partnership. that every time that i've met with kamala harris, she's really taken the time to listen and make sure to ask more questions than she gave answers. that's the approach this campaign needs now. i think more folks from the grassroots need to be heard on these issues and we have to make sure whatever the future holds, that it is one that fully holds brown people and indigenous folks in all of our humanity. i believe there are lots of people with the best ideas to make that happen and i truly hope this campaign will listen thoroughly to them. >> thank you to all three of you for our continuing conversation tonight. coming up next, almost immediately after the announcement today, we got our first kamala harris ad, and it

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california's economic challenges are deepening. frontline workers stretched too thin. our nurses and medical professionals in a battle to save lives. our schools, in a struggle to safely reopen, needing money for masks and ppe, and to ensure social distancing. and the costs to our economy, to our state budget? mounting every day. we need to provide revenues now, to solve the problems we know are coming. so we collaborate ♪ ocean spray works with nature every day to farm in a sustainable way joining me steve schmidt long time republican strategist co-founder of the lincoln project. it's been a long time since

we've talked. your organization mostly conservatives, mostly republicans, ex-republicans, people who don't want to see donald trump in power in some cases because you think maybe the world could do with a healthy republican party and other reasons maybe because you don't, you don't want donald trump around. what is the appointment of kamala harris do for your cause? >> well we know who the ticket is. we know what the contest is. we know what the contours are, and we know who the team is that will lead to an american restoration upon the removal of donald trump from political power. it is true, as you say, that most of us are former republicans, worked in republican campaigns. i left the party some years ago. but the lincoln project is an american organization and as americans we are participating in the political process as we're sending out a warning about this il liberal president,

this man who violated his oath, who has divided the country, and has caused incredible damage to one of the great crises in the history of the republic with 162,000 dead americans throughis ineptitude, his incompetence. he is one of the great dangers this country has ever faced. we are suffering through this great calamity because we have a reality show star in the white house who knows nothing of history, nothing of our traditions, nothing of the ideas and ideals that the country was built around and that we struggle, as dr. king pointed out, to bend that arc of the moral universe towards justice. and so tonight we see again the promise of the american dream, the daughter of immigrants, rising to become the vice presidential nominee of the democratic party. we have a lot of work to do in this country, and the lincoln project plays a small part in a

coalition that's among the broadest and most diverse in america's political history that's coming together to get rid of donald trump and to put a decent and good man back into the white house whered admonition inscribed from the prayer that john adams once said, may only good and wise men live under this roof, that will be fulfilled once again come noon on january 20th. >> it's unfair for me to ask you to get inside donald trump's head. you were a republican a long time ago and donald trump is a different beast. but in july of 2019, "vanity fair" talked to a number of republican insiders at the time when kamala harris was running for president and they, the headline of the article was she's dangerous, gop insiders fear kamala could be the next obama. obviously, this was before she stepped out of the race for the presidency. but if you are a republican, if you're donald trump in particular, forget republican, if you're donald trump, what are you thinking tonight? >> you're thinking that you have

the best pick that joe biden could have picked to help his cause on the ticket. she is a formidable political leader in this country. she is smart. she is quick on her feet. she is articulate. i think mike pence is going to have a very, very difficult time in the vice presidential debate. frankly, intellectually, from an eloquence, articulation perspective, they are not in the same league with each other. you look at kamala harris and the interrogatories from her perch on the committees that she serves asking questions, holding people to account, she is a prosecutor who is going to be able to go out and prosecute a case against one of the easiest targets there has ever been to prosecute a case against, and that's donald trump because we now have an economic calamity in this country. we have a public health calamity in this country. america is the weakest it has ever been in the post-world war ii-era, in the eyes of both our

adversaries and our allies. the country is in a nosedive. donald trump has launched a precipitous and dangerous decline of america's influence, our esteem that we feel for the country in each other's eyes. he is soaked in this country, a cold civil war. he has americans at each other's throats. and we have in this ticket american patriots who will have the ability to come together, and i think communicate even to the people who will not be voting to them, reminding them that we all, as she said in that announcement speech in january, we all have much more in common than we do in difference in this country. we are americans. and this is a ticket that's not going to seek to divide us. it's a ticket that's going to seek to unite us. and so you'll see a broad coalition from bernie sanders to disinfected republicans who believe in democracy, who believe in the rule of law, who

do not believe the president is a king, can't stand the corruption, cannot stand the desecrations that this man has delivered from behind the presidential seal, behind the presidential desk, debasing everything that's good and noble about american government. >> steven, 30 seconds left. you mentioned how donald trump is i will lib rum. that's the attack they are using, she is a left wing radical socialist. is that going to stick? >> i don't think it sticks. i don't think it's true. the word i'm using is illiberal. contrary to democratic values and norms. he is like a belarussian leader am he has no faithfulness to the ideas that sustain the american republic. the reparation of powers, the constitutional republic. so we have somebody with an

autocratic personality in the highest office in the land. >> steve schmidt, good to see you, my friend. steve schmidt is a republican strategist, was a republican strategist a long time ago. he is an msnbc analyst and co-founder of the lincoln project. that is all in on this tuesday night. rachel maddow is joining us now. >> good evening, thank you very much, my friend. thanks to you for joining us. happy to have you here. california is the most populous state in the country. the only attorney general in the whole country who runs a larger operation than the attorney general of california is the attorney general of the united states. california is just enormous, right. 40 million people. and in 2011 when kamala harris became attorney general and she took the arenas of california's justice system the state at that