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does he hi ten states are seeing record rises in cases. this week takes trump to florida, pennsylvania, and iowa. has the campaign learned any lessons? here is the president's economic adviser today. >> there will be masks at these rallies. there will be social distancing at these rallies. there will be appropriate testing. >> reporte >> as the same goes, watch the space and we will. >> reporter: joe biden this week, he has two socially distance events in the book ohio on monday and pennsylvania on thursday. the stakes of this race could not be more high and frankly and heated just 23 days out. new polling of three battleground of states dropped today showing biden is ahead of trump by six points in michigan
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and nevada. for republicans controlling the state houses now in the line including texas, florida and arizona. time to get to it, and the author of "the end of politics." chuck serves a senior adviser to the bernie sanders' campaign. amy, i am going to imagine 2016 polling, nevada and tied in iowa. a new poll shows biden ahead of 12 points nationally. when you see polling like that, do you have a little bit of deja vu or do you think those polls are showing you where voters are? >> look, i can't help but think of where we were four years ago.
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i think there is an incredible enthusiasm for the biden/harris ticket. these polls are reflecting some of that energy. nothing matters if those votes are not cast and counted. the first thing when i see a poll or hear about a poll is get out and work harder. we can not take a single vote for granted. i believe that's what the biden/harris campaign is doing. >> it is happening in the final days and weeks leading up to election day. there is the tax reporting that we have been following and the president's covid diagnoses and his decision to get back out on the trail and there is amy coney barrett's nomination to the supreme court. when you ask people what the big issues are, they're saying the same big issues they have been saying the past several months. it is the economy and healthcare and the president handling of
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this pandemic. do the things that are happening in the final days of this race really have the power to sway voters or is it going to be about those core issues since the beginning? >> that's an interesting question because i think about this week very much like i think about this past week in 2016. october 7th was the day the "access hollywood" tape dropped and the community says russia was attacking the election to help donald trump and also you had an hour after that "access hollywood" tape and you had john podesta's e-mail leak. anything can happen now until november the 3rd. people are voting actively right now. this second. either they are mailing in their ballots or drop off their ballots in a drop box or go into
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early. it is interesting to think of election day and the idea that has every single biden and staff members and those who are on 2016 who are working for joe biden and kamala harris are smart to remember that you really have to run through the tape. you have to go and get every single voter that may be incline to vote to turn out. like amy says you can't leave anything on the table because you don't know what can happen and even a few days out like the comey letter in 2016. >> i want you to take a listen at what senator ted cruz told my colleague, chuck todd earlier. >> i believe president trump can win and he can have a significant victory and republicans can take both houses of congress. i also think it is possible that we'll see a democratic sweep where they win everything and as a victory of watergate proportions and i don't recall an election with a spread, the delta between those two possible
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outcomes this close to an election being that wide. >> there was a big "but" in the middle of that conversation. i wonder what you make of it. >> well, it makes you think they're all nervous there and my buddy, ted, is worried himself in texas. let's talk about things that's happening. to zerlina's point, there are over 7 million people who already sent their ballots. if you dig in the number, that makes republicans nervous. 17% did not vote in 2016. thaps abo that's about average, that's nice. 27% of the latino votes did not vote. 20% of the african-americans did not vote in 2016. this is why republicans are super-duper nervous. these numbers are people polling and people that are showing up.
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four times as many latinos have requested ballots. those are not indicators, those are feedbacacts and makes repub really nervous. >> i am curious as you look at this, where it is you are looking and also what you make of taxes. beto o'rourke says he sees big momentum for biden and there is a big chance that biden could win there. do you agree? >> i do agree. the national democrats have been looking organizing in every zip code and that's something tom perez ran on and he kept his words. a lot of organizers are happening and so on. they're really heavily focused on taking back the house. we are less than ten seats away from taking the house and the
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state legislature which would be a game changer for texan families. beyond that, the d-trip invested heavily in more than six battleground district that are trending in the right direction. i would agree beto on that. texans have stepped up to the plate when it comes to voter registration and organizing and turn-out. early voting begins on tuesday and we'll learn a lot more. we'll see the closest margins in texas in this presidential race than we have in a long time. >> chuck, i know you are mad that i didn't send that question your way so i am going to let you jump in. >> all i am going to say is you won't do it. >> amy is as much texas as i am. >> go to texas and hire amy ruiz
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and you can win texas forever and you never have to worry about another election. >> zerlina, i want you to listen to lindsey graham. >> you just have to share the values of our state. it is not abouts the col the co your skin. i care about everybody. if you are an immigrant or an african-american, you can go anywhere in the state, you need to be conservative and not liberal. i love your response to that declaration. >> i just don't understand what he's saying there. i think he's talking about black people knowing their particular place and going back there and to a place we did not have much freedom or rights over our feet and loud voices like his opponent, jamie harrison. i think lindsey graham is representative of what's happening at large in the senate right now. everybody is panicking because
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the president and leader of their party has covid-19, the pandemic that killed 200,000 americans and there is no plan forward. i think lindsey graham can talk about going back to a time we didn't have many rights or black people can be more demere and know their place. like many candidates that are challenging us, republican senators who are nervous right no now. there needs to be a generational shift in the united states senate to represent where america's demographics are headed. i think lindsey graham are talking in a way that don't resonates with the electorate that is making up those 7 million early voters and those young voters whose turn out is hitting record highs in the early voting period. i think that we are headed in a different direction and it
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appears that many american senators like lindsey graham don't agree with that. >> it is a season and a much more useful way to think about it. i agree with amy's point that this election of how we vote is going to be as critical as what people are voting for. if you are the biden/harris team in this final stretch, where with you placing your resources and where are you putting your emphasis? >> i am going to talk to f frequent voters. go biden/harris is going to win majority of all of these good democrats. there is a whole generation of americans who come under age of barack obama and got saddled with donald trump. they're not happy with. joe biden and senator harris needs to make sure they reach out to these newly registered voters and tell them and give them a vision of what america is
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and all summer long when we told the people, they loved it. let's get out there and tell more people about it so we can blow this guy out of the white house. chuck, amy and zerlina, thank you. another bomb shell from "the new york times." a reminder you can see "zerlina" show on peacock. the long list of issues on the line as the senate rushes to confirm trump's nominee to the supreme court. all of it haeahead. richard lui is in new york. >> good evening to you alicia. >> he and his family tested negative. recovery and restoration efforts are underway. hurricane delta slamming the
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donald trump's campaign in 2016 hints on a promise that he'll drain the swamp in the united states. >> it is time to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. at the very top of the list is one of the most important promises of all. if i am elected president, we are going to drain the swamp.
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if we win on november 8th, we are going to washington, d.c. and we together are going to drain the swamp. >> instead of draining the swamp, the president reinvented it, deep diving into his taxes and business dealings by t"the new york times". nearly a quarter of those patrons not previously reported. this comes after two weeks after the times dropped their bomb shell reporting on trump's taxes revealing $750 income taxes of the year he won his presidentcy of his first year. with me is mr. schwartz and the author of "dealing with the devil," tony schwartz and with
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me, tim o'brien at "bloomberg." the "times" reported that trump and his company profited individual seeking and many cases receiving lucrative deals from the local government. if the reporting is accurate. is there any way the president can be held accountable monetizing the office of the presiden presidency. >> well, the reporting is entirely accurate, he not only r reinvented the swamp and filling it with bigger alligators. he's been doing this from the moment he was elected until now. i have written quite a bit of this and a lot of reporters have. the "times" report of a comprehensive account. the framer of the constitution
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would never imagine that someone would get into the oval office with the kind of wealth that trump had, and lack of respect of the rule of law and willing necessary to corrupt to the people around him. federal law gets the president a lot of leeway around the c conflicts of interests law. trump is well aware of that and throughout his administration, he made great claims about what he was going to do to run an ethical government. as in all things of donald trump, watch what he does and not what he says. >> it is not just the president though, the reporting places eric trump squarely in the middle of his father's financial webs. i want to play this exchange with eric trump with abc's
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jonathan carl. >> my father has a fortune doing what he does. you compare it to joe biden -- >> but back to the story, how is it appropriate? >> let me finish. >> answer the question, please. >> eric, will you address what "the new york times" revealed in their investigation which is all of these companies and individuals spent money a lot of money of trump's properties to get favors from the trump administration. how is that not at the very least a huge appearance of a con flick conflict of interests. >> we have tens of millions of people staying at our hospital. "the new york times" is absolutely fake news. >> tony, what do you make of that? >> eric trump is 100% brainwashed that bought into this idea of inventing your own
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fictional reality is perfectly legitimate and he's doing it in the same way of his father and brother and his brother-in-law does. they have decided that this is the big opportunity for a guy, donald trump, who actually we now know has had terrible business judgment to reap the benefit of being president and he spent four years of doing that. his network is his personal work. they are anonymous. any way he can increase the amount of money he has, you know, he'll do. he would like to be as putin is a multi, multi billionaire which he's not. >> tim, can you talk about how eric trump and his brother don jr. who act as executive leadership for the trump's
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organization. sort of what legal trouble they could be looking at in light of this errreporting. >> shortly after trump was inaugurated, he had his lawyers and his three children which they talked about the structure and put in place to make sure donald trump was insulated from the organization and don jr. and eric would run the organization. that has never been the case. they're in touch with trump constantly about business decisions. eric and don jr. and ivanka have been involved with -- they're running another charity because the trump's family was looting their own charity.
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eric is someone who can't serve in the state of new york. eric decompopose in a possible case. both of those are looking at whether trump and his children essentially cook the books at the trump organization inflated the valuations of the assets they held so they can get loans and investors and in certain cases of donald's finance fraud. eric is not an interested observer in all of this. he's been in his father's orbit and partaking some of the same problems, legal problems that are staring at the trumps in the faces right now. >> tony and tim, thank you both. same-sex marriage, what can that change? it is as real concern and we'll
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today is national coming out day, celebrated each year on this date to mark the anniversary of the 1987 national march on washington for lesbians and gay rights. many of them gained through a series of supreme court wins. however, a senate republican prepares to confirm amy coney barrett to the highest court, there are new fear those protections could be rolled back. given how close she aligns ideologically with other late mentor with scalia. those alarm bells grew louder after two of the court's
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conservative justices mounted a fresh attack on the landmark 2015 decision legalizing same-sex marriage saying it left "those with religious objections in alert." the court will hear arguments on the case deciding whether government employs with lbgtq people have the constitutional rights to deteriorate against them. joining me now is steve, and rob and anderson. allison and leanne, i want to get your reaction and thomas and aledo. >> as a lawyer, i am very concerned and as a mom and a gay woman in america, i am terrified. it reminded a lot of people that we have made a lot of progress
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but there are still so much to go and so much progress can be made and so easily so many of our rights can be taken away. >> steven, that concerns go beyond recognizing the same-sex marriage, you adopted six siblings, what's your biggest concern of how this can impact your family? >> well, without the protections supported by legalized marriage, things like hospital visitations or tax filing, all the things that can be done legally in our country can affect our family. just us having this opportunity to adopt these great children, we want future generations to have the same rights and ability to do what we have done, to be legally married and adopt what we have. >> what do you wish you can tell amy coney barrett if you can
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speak to her directly? >> you know -- it is so hard just being gay in this country, the fact that they think about taking away our rights or our rights won't cross into other states is really scary. and you should be protected and our kids should be protected. our kids should not be afraid to visit their grandparents or should not be afraid to visit their aunts and uncles across the country. we are only legally married in one state. what are we going to do? >> it is scary just to have to talk and think about having to tell our children that we would not have been married some where else if we were to go on vacation like go see our parents in texas or whatever, just the idea that we have to explain to our children that their parents' marriage is not recognized everywhere is incredibly heartbreaking. >> steven and rob, is that a
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conversation you anticipated to have with your own kids? >> absolutely. we tell them that rights are not guaranteed. that'll then change that and at the same time most of my adult life -- we can't take it for granted and it could change. and obviously things that we have heard that could be a possible. i am very concerned about that. >> the scary thing is our children has the stability now. they were in the foster care system. for them to have to be worried in any way if that can change or
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for themselves that anything can be taken away from them now that they finally have the stability and the love of a family just like any other family. it does not matter, it does not matter. we are family. we should be recognized as a family just like any other. >> we see with the trump administration putting in conservative judges, we had a decision it was a 5-4 majority. one of those justices have been replaced by a more successor and
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now we are looking at another one, it is a 6-3 ruling against us. it is a very, very scary time to be alive and i think that for gay people in this country and i think congress should definitely started enacting some rulings and protecting us on a more broad basis so there is this stability of speaking out so we don't have to worry that our marriage is going to be viewed as invalid when we leave state line. >> it is about the possibility of any new judges could be added would tip the balance of the court and there would be cases chip away at these rights and to your point that creates an instability and not only in this moment but a long-term instability in the family's structure. >> definitely. definitely. you know not to get off subject. there are so many kids in the foster care system and if any
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future ruling can change any number of thousands of lives, other couples that wish to adopt not being able to or not having rights as a couple. there are 400,000 kids in the foster care. there are 125,000 kids that are waiting for ado permanent home. any kind of ruling that would change a possibility for those kids to have a home -- it is something very scary. >> it is not doing a service for the family and our children and a service to our greater society. >> i thank you for bringing that up. i don't think it is off topic at all. i think it is what we are talking about. allison, five years ago, every marriage and state became equal under the law. couples have long been denied the right to marry could finally
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marry. did you think what you would do if conservative courts reverse your protection? >> we looked into second-parent adoption which is a ridiculous concept that you have to adopt your own children and yet here we are. i remember in june of 2015, i was 20 weeks pregnant with our oldest daughter and we got a text from a friend, is it amazing that your daughter is never going to have to grow up in a world where her parents are not married. here we are facing it again. >> steven, it is national coming out day, can you talk about a little bit about the art of history that takes us from the beginning of this fight to where we find ourselves today? >>. >> wow, the history for us personally, i am someone that
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basically hid who i was for 30 years. i was 30 years old when i came out. i was able to be myself. each ruling since then has been a personal ruling for me. so you know -- >> i came out when i was 18 and certainly growing up -- growing up there were poor choices that i made because i ruled out because i was a gay man. ill never thought when i was growing up in my early 20s that i i would be able to have children or get married. we continue to fight and be vigilant and vote and vote in our best interest of things that are important to us. >> it is important to us too
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because we have lbgtq son, one of our own children, we hope that he's able to marry and can some day adopt if he chooses to. it is not just for us. it is for the future and for every child out there feels like they may feel a little different or they don't fit into the common mold that society as created. >> allison, leanne and steve and rob. thank you so much. >> we'll bring you complete coverage on msnbc on amy coney barrett's appointment. >> (driver) nothing happened? (burke) nothing happened. (driver) sure looks like something happened. (burke) well, you've been with farmers for three years with zero auto claims. (driver) yeah? (burke) so you earned your policy perk: accident forgiveness.
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of emigration is front and center. the new report from define american found more exposure to viewers have on stories and characters on tv, the more likely they are to support immigration causes. when it came to representing those experience accurately, the tv industry still has a long way to go. joining me now is antonio vargas, all right, define americ america. there are more stories of immigration that you have been working on for a long time. there is a disconnect of what's portrayed on tv. what is it that's missing? >> thank you for having me.
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what we found in the study is over representation of undocumented immigrants. the undocumented immigrants make up of 25% of all immigrants in the country. when you watch a character on tv and the person is i mmigranimmi more or less the person is presented as unimmigraimmigrant. it is really important that we portray undocumented immigrant coming to the caribbean and from africa. >> i remember growing up we talked about this a lot and watching shows like "friends" realizing that adulthood was not going to look like anything like "friends" looked. how did this impact our understanding of immigrants in america? >> for me i made a documentary
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on tv a few years ago called "white people." we did a study how to understand the medium culture, about two-thirds of white americans live in predominantly white towns so they're exposure to people of color is limited to the news they consume and the television shows they watch. there was a story after president trump was elected in 2016 that said the television show you watch is a greater indicator of who you voted for or the political party you belong to. a lot of trump's voters watch "grey's anatomy." how do we get an immigrant story like "grey's anatomy." one of the persons that reached out to us was shonda rhimes and she's amazing. they created a character out of
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those stories so we reached more people watching "grey's anatomy" than people watching fox news. how do we create a culture of policies welcoming immigrants of the cultural norms. >> so much of what we end up ripped from the headlines approach to story writing and i wonder if that has the effects of sort of unintentionally reenforcing stereotypes that you come back. >> one of the shows we have been working on now is "super store" on nbc. they had a character who's a gay filipino and we found out they want to make him undocumented. they want to make this character, mateo a citizen and
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they toll us oh, how are you going to do that? there is no one side fitting it all. again, it is also october and filipino's history month. our story lines are missing in the media and tv and radio and news. >> jose, where do you see the opportunity to do better? >> opportunity to do better, hire immigrant writers, asian writers and look, we are the stories we tell. we need to see much more diverse and texture and multi-dimensional so we know what we are talking about. immigration is not about policies and laws. it is about people and families. that's what it is about. jose antonio vargas, good to see
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since november 3rd, 2016, 1,438 days, millions of americans have wondered, pondersed and speculated how someone like donald trump could become president. a bevy of books and think tanks
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have tried to make sense. focus on still undecided votes s from making mistakes of four years ago. we may still be vulnerable to the same lack of understanding that led to his election in the first place. with me now, pulitzer prize winning author. "what were we thinking" congratulations on the book, carlos. you have read 150 books on trump and the trump era. one, i want to know how one finds the time to read 150 books and then after reading them, what connects all of those stories? >> it's easy to find the time to read 150 books when it's your day job. reading and writing about
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politics comes with the territory. what i try to do in the book is tell the story or a story of the trump era through all these different narratives that have emerged. there are three kinds of trump books, those who try to understand what happened, those taking a side in what happened and those who are grapple iing h the aftermath of all of this. you know, too many of these books feel that they have to be resistance or base. you're with trump or you're against trump, letting him define the whole era, whereas some of the most useful books, at least that i find most useful, are the ones who try to wrestle with the outcome of what has happened. these are books on the beta truth, on the possibilities of fair voting, on the thing of democracy itself. >> in your reading, how do authors somehow use this nebulous idea of tvoting for
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trump? >> i was reading a book that profiles the white working class voter and i meet this guy, former democrat, labor organizer who switched to trump in 2018 who was animated by economic populism. he thought the party had forgotten the working class and was mistrustful of political dynasties and that's why he switched to trump. a few months later, and several books, you know, later, in my own reading, i'm reading another book about the white working class called the forgotten by ben bradley jr. in it, i meet this former democrat, labor organizer, who switched to trump and i realize it's the same guy. these two books profiled the same trump voter. yet in his second book, his motivations are entirely different, 9/11 truther, worried that george soros is funding
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black lives matter. what you see here is that writers often acting in good faith often see what they want to see in the people they are profiling. this binary explanation that trump voters are animated by either economic struggles or by cultural prejudice ends up missing a lot of the story. >> i am going to imagine there will be a whole other set of books in the aftermath of the 2020 election. what is the key takeaway? what would be your one piece of advice for those who endeavor to write that book? >> there are many books i want to see. kiersten nieljsen's memoir, and
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others. it's ease toy define this era as only being focused on one man and what his own impulses and interests and misdeeds may have been. and, in fact, the most essential books of the trump era are not really about trump at all. they're about how the country came to be prepared for this and what he has distorted and revealed about us. the best books are not about him, but about us. >> "what were we thinking: a brief history into the trump era." carl loes, thank you. joshua johnson will have former cia john brennan. that's next. former cia john brennan. that's next.
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