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he laughs at himself. he has thick skin. donald trump has leather skin but it's so then. and joe biden sleepy joe frs the worst nickname ever. i want sleep. that's what i want. after deranged donald if four years. a calmness and comedy the way it was. now kol bert is number one. he's not going so witch or stay with who they have gone to war with. through the band of brothers and sisters. that's what i'm curious about. late night ratings. >> i personally think any administration that gives us more mya rudolph is great. >> thank you so much for your time. >> it's the top of the hour. i'm jason johnson.
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this is "the week." plenty to cover this hour. beginning with president trump continued refusal to concede the election. this mork his former national security adviser called on republicans to take a stand. >> i think it's very important for leaders of the republican party to explain to our voters who are not as stupid as the democrats think. that in fact, trump has lost the election. and his claims of election fraud are baseless. >> he will make life as difficult as he can for the incoming biden administration. that harms the country. >> how about a stalled transition impact relationships with allies abroad. so much a biden administration
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wants to do depends on the out come of two critical senate run offs in georgia. a life report from atlanta. and a look at challenges of holding a special election in the middle of a raging pandemic when so much voters excitement engagement may have faded since the general election. plus yet another election at the defy the polls. two experts say what went wrong and determine how the industry can move forward. the presidential transition. joe biden is president-elect. he won the popular vote and electoral college. donald trump will no longer be president after january 20, 2021. we know that secretary of state still hasn't acknowledged the fact everyone else is seeing it. >> there thereby a smooth transition to a second trump administration. we're ready. the world is watching what's taking place. we'll count all the votes. when the process is complete.
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there will be electors selected. >> secretary of state is refusing to accept the results of the election. he begins a seven country tour. the leader of each country congratulated president-elect joe biden. on his win. joining me now, a national security correspondent. and contributor. good evening. what kind of message does secretary of state refusal to accept the results send to the world when he's going on a seven nation tour? >> i think the rest of the world by now is used to chaos coming from the trump administration and conflicting messages. i don't think they will be surprised by the conflicting messages about the transition. they probably expected something more orderly at least with regard to the election. something basic. that has gone back hundreds of years. peaceful transfer of power that the administration can't do
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correctly. doesn't want to do correctly. it's worth emphasizing what you said, pompeo will go to countries that already congratulated joe biden on his election victory. that i have recognize him at the president-elect. including turkey. whose president said originally he was not going to weigh in on the election rulesults and chand his mind. pompeo will not meet with turkish officials. which is telling. >> how does this transition impact our relationship with foreign allies because again you have some people obviously like trump. and some people are happy to see joe biden. are security agencies comfortable sharing information yet? >> it's a great question. because biden is a known figure at this poin, given eight years at vice president and national security foreign policy experience. reading presidential daily
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briefings every day. foreign countries and allies in particular know him. and actually because of this stand off that's going on between the administrations former current and foreign leaders are reaching out to obama diplomats. asking for biden's phone number. they need to reach him. that kind of shows how much trust the foreign allies still are placing in joe biden. because a lot of the partnerships and the alliances have of course frayed over four years. they are looking forward to normalcy. this is a speed bump. and they are just waiting for january 20. and they can move forward with the business of the day. >> what's the warning. how does the trump administration refusal to accept the results of the election impact our reputation? the united states presents itself as we are the country of democracy. everybody is supposed to respect
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us. we have a sitting president who is pouting and saying i haven't lost a job yet. has that damaged the american brand abroad? >> it has to. it looks terrible. the united states is frankly always lecturing other countries even right now on free and fair elections and respecting results of democratic elections. it really reeks of hypocrisy. the secretary of state at the podium saying we'll have a peaceful transition to a second trump administration. which of course flies in the face of the facts. which is joe biden has in fact won the election and will be president. it degrades the united states ability to have that moral high ground in the sense. that will cause lasting damage. especially because huge portion of the country will believe that elections are not legitimate. this election was falsely they believe stolen by the democrats. that is going to have a really
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negative damaging lasting impact. >> you reported this week more than 150 former national security officials wrote a letter urging to name biden president-elect and access information to address national security issues. can you talk about this? and why this one piece of paper work is so important. >> these were former national security officials elected officials, former diplomats who feel strongly that a delay in the transition is really dangerous. to our national security. and one of the big things they point to is a piece of the 9/11 commission. a commission to examine the failures that led to nine eleven. that said the 2000 election recount and the delay from that resulted in a six month delay in staffing up the bush national security apparatus. that in turn could have weakened
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the nation and left the united states more vulnerable to the september 11 attacks and say that is evidence of why this transition needs to be conducted smoothly. why president-elect biden needs a daily brief. so they can hit ground running on day one. so there's no gap in institutional knowledge that everything runs seamlessly. rite now we're at one of the most vulnerable moments. all of the agencies in the federal government, cia and intelligence they are not allowed to cooperate with the biden transition team. that could have obviously a very dramatic impact on day one. biden has accideextensive. threats are every day evolving. he has to play catch up. >> thank you so much for your
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time. >> thank you. >> the president spept the weekend golfing and tweeting out false claims about election fraud. making those claims isn't just harmful to national security. it's harmful to democracy. it's hurtful to thousands of poll workers, ballot counters and election officials across the country who worked tirelessly to ensure every vote was counted. james young former director of elections in kentucky is just one of the number of republican elected officials frustrated with the president's comments disparaging election officials. he wrote on twitter quote these officials appointed or elected are real people. they did o not work for political parties. they work for you. james young joining me now. he is currently a regional manager with inclusion solution. he assists and consults election administrators across the country. why did you decide to tweet
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about your frustration with the voter fraud claims and are you surprised you went viral? >> i have to admit, yes the viral aspect did surprise me. i'm happy that it did. what pushed me over the edge to be vocal when i'm encouraged not to be especially working in the industry. i had a very close friend of mine who contacted me and also a registered republican. say that whose side are you on? that was telling to me. it struck a deep cord with me. our election administration shouldn't have a side. and if it reaches the point to where one side thinks the person who is actually over'ing the election process should be on the team, that is very problematic. for the election process. >> you tweeted that during the time as director of elections in lieu ville, you experience very few cases of potentially illegal activity. in five years.
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you saw less than a handful. what were the few days you saw? where they intentional or accident. >> it's difficult to say. our office didn't have a prosecutor aspect to it. i can say that there were not much merit to them. individuals that may have accidently cast two ballots or medical disability issues where voters moved from one jurisdiction to another. and may have requested a ballot here and showed up on election day here. the examples were very minor. nothing that should really raise any flags across the country. >> what you're saying as ab experienced election official, i want to make sure we hear this. you never saw a huge swath of people who entered america illegally deciding they want to vote? that's not something you saw in all your years. >> that is accurate. the idea or the thought
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unfortunately that ballots are showing up at 4:00 a.m. when the lights are off in the back alley is not accurate representation of the integrity of the officials that over see the process. >> you posted photographs of you with a lot of leelection worker. it humanized them. do you think it helped or the people who are skeptical about this election result are still seeing them as nameless faceless storm troopers part of a huge conspiracy in or seeing the faces of regular men and women cause people to calm down. >> the feed back that i received is generally positive. one of the goals that i have had with communicating this and is to humanize the people. they are real people. they were not paid by political parties. they invested thaer career. they spend more time opening ballots and ensure you receive a
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ballot than they do with their own family. these are real life people invested into the system. who integrity of the process matters to them. as much as or if not more than to you at home. >> this is really important to point out. you are a registered republican. you are active republican. there have been republican secretaries of state who said look we have analyzed and done audits and haven't seen fraud. how important do you think it is that republicans in the house and senate also have your back and say that this was a clean and fair election? >> it is important to always applaud the hard work and the dedication and the integrity of the election administrators across the country. these are the most ethical and the best of us in society. it is very important that we work together to protect that integrity to protect the process long term. >> james, the former director of election in kentucky. thank you for spending time with
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us. >> thank you. >> while we're talking about lt integrity of the vote today, i thought back to an impromptu free style speech given by president obama in 2016. about the power of the vote. why it matters no matter what anyone else tries to tell you. listen to this. >> don't give away your power. that's the main message all the time. it doesn't matter whether it's your republican or democrat, independent. conservative on some issues. liberal. if you participate and take the time to be informed about the issues and you turn out and peers turn out. you change the country. you do. it may not always happen as fast as you'd like. you'll change it. so, i'll keep on talking about this even after i leave the presidency. you got me started. i went on a rant. all right.
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i'm counting on you guys. don't let me down. all right? don't let the country down. >> we'll be back after this. first, the headlines. >> good evening. stories we're watching this hour. the 13th hurricane of the season. it is expected to reach central america monday. honduras the concern right now. they are reeling from hurricane. peru interim president resigned. he took office tuesday after predecessor was removed. violent protests rocked the country. dustin johnson won this years masters. had scored the lowest in tournament history. the previous years winner tiger woods helped him put on the famed green jacket. signifying victory. more of "the week" after the break. x-smart investing strateg,
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let's start in georgia. where election workers are wrapping up day three of the states ballot audit. remember it's an audit not recount. georgia officials said no irregularity or significant tabulation errors emerged during the first two days. all counties have until the end of the day wednesday to complete the recount of nearly 5 million ballots. correspondent has the latest from atlanta. >> that statewide audit or retallying of the election day votes is under way here in georgia. the deadline for counties to complete the process is wednesday at 11:59 p.m. that is the gear up for certification by friday. what we have been hearing from many of the counties is that they are well under way in this process. in some places moving well ahead of schedule. it was this afternoon we learned from the county the states largest county in home to
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atlanta that they have completed their manual audit of the 528,000 votes that they have in that county. you're hearing from some of the other counties in the state. the big counties. they are 70, 80% of the way complete with the manual audit which of course is a tedious process that we have had time to watch and observe over the past couple days. that is looking at the presidential results. what is going on down ballot you're seeing the two candidates four candidates involved in the state run off election. out there on the campaign trail. it was earlier today we saw the democratic candidates campaigning for the first time together. since election day. jon ossoff and war knock. in the parking lot. most people had a mask. listen to what they are messaging earlier today. >> imagine being a sitting u.s. senator too much of a coward to debate your opponent in public.
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purdue is chicken. >> i ran into a young lady. she said i'm glad to meet you. i voted for you. i said thank you. she had no idea she had to go back again. get to work. >> the republican candidates we saw campaigning together twice last week are out in trying to nationalize this race as much as possible. they are talking about defending the senate and protecting the senate majority. a lot of money has already come into the race. we'll expect to see a will the of tv ads up until that january 5 run off. >> thank you. i'm glad they started using the purdue chicken thing. those who critical georgia senate races heading for a run off in a pandemic. how do candidates maintain momentum and keep voters
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engaged. koe of the new georgia project. good to speak with you. >> how are you? >> fantastic. the reason offs are january 5. excitement of november elections passed. we're in a pandemic. how do you keep the race on the top of mind of voters given two months are holiday season? >> i will say that no one is more aware and more acutely aware the risk that this pandemic poses. than georgia. in addition to having a president who is told us to inject bleach. we have a governor who is one of the the first to reopen. we have several covid hot spots. 80 ps of the people who have been hospitalized due to do vid related illness are people of color. it is precisely because we are in the middle of a pandemic that we're likely to see increase
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participation. georgia is looking for elected officials that cogovernor with them. and take the pandemic seriously. and work to keep georgia safe and restart the economy. >> so, we have a run off situation here where typically people are less passionate in the run off than they are during the general election and yet democrats obviously want to win the two seats. i'm sure both senate candidates the dnc is saying you can have whatever you like. what do you think the senate candidates need right now nationally from the national dnc to come down and make sure the two victories go in their favor? >> i think that the two candidates need resources. they need money. they need the full weight of the party and parties establishment. the idea that this race is nationalized. there's no way about it. the entire country knows or will no that control of the united
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states senate comes town to the two senate races that are on the ballot. in georgia. on january 5. so when we start thinking about from our foreign policy to the coronavirus response. this is for the whole kit and ka boodle. the whole ball game. this is moment where it is super clear the interest of local georgiaens and democratics is aligned with the interest of the national party. i also think that there should be acknowledgment that these folks know how to win. so we should listen to war knock and his team. and listen to jon ossoff and the team. and i am a graduate of the school for democracy defenders and people should listen to stacey abrams. and her team. about what it takes to win in georgia. >> i have spoken to several
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graduates of the afwrams school of black girl magic. i have been one of the cynics about georgia. i thought tfts a red state. some said it was purple. now it's blue. critics say only republican can win a run off in georgia. how do you respond to the critics who think they have it in the bag? >> we are in an unprecedented situation. i hope people have known the conventional political wisdom applies to what it takes to win in georgia hasn't served any of us well. i think there has been a shuffling of the board. people should understand that georgia as american's newest battleground state is just that. it is a battleground. they need to fight for every vote. and we're going through a pandemic. and we're talking about christmas and thanksgiving and hanukkah and new years.
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and conventional wisdom should not -- people should not rest and rely on that. it shouldn't inform your campaign strategy in this particular moment. this is a fight. and it's going to be a battle for every georgiaen. and eligible vote. >> i want to finish with this. this is really key. you're doing fantastic work. there's organizations doing great work. people around the country are still fwrgripping their table saying how can we help georgia. if you don't live in georgia, and you're watching this and want to be a part. what do people outside the state do? >> what i will say is the enemy of progress have always had more money. than us. and so we need your pennies. we need dollars. to invest in the races. but invest in the work of the grass root organizations that are doing like mine the new
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georgia project and action fund. that is doing the work year round of expanding the electorate. registering people vote. doing innovative education and mobilization strategy. that is how we win in this moment. we have we need to have the infrastructure that is designed to talk to all georgiaens to move the energized, young voters. the brand new voters to the poll. that this is an unprecedented situation. we have not one but two u.s. senate seats on the ballot. explaining to georgia what the opportunity is in this moment, but how powerful they are. that georgia voters have the power to determine the balance of power in the united states senate. >> thank you very much as always. >> thank you. still to come. the polls were way off in 2016. and again this year.
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joe biden is the president-elect. his margin of victory was closer than polling predicted. final "wall street journal" poll had biden ahead by ten points nationally. 97% of the vote. he holds a 3.6% difference. smaller than expected. everyone is asking what went wrong with the polls this time around? "new york times" points out quote asking for a polling postmortem is asking a coroner for the cause of death while the body is at the crime scene. you have to wait to conduct a full autopsy. we can't wait. joining me now for an early autopsy. while the body is warm. the house editor of the political report and a contributor.
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and a democratic pollster who is the executive vice president and principal of -- international. what are your biggest take aways from 2020 polling? what went right and what went way the heck wrong? >> first of all joe biden popular vote lead is likely o grow as we finalize vote count. it's possible he'll end up with 4 and a half and 5 points. the polls were certainly over shooting that. there are a couple of long term and potentially short term challenges in polling. there are a couple possibilities. first of all we're going to have to get used to the fact that people with lower levels of social and institutional trust are less likely to answer a survey and more likely to support president trump. and that is creating a divide that makes it very difficult for us to get accurate sample. particularly response rates are
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in the single digits. 2020 democrats were simply taking the coronavirus more seriously. and more likely to be home. >> what's the biggest difference between 2016 and 2020 polling? we asked questions about did you ask land line people vs. cell phone. we shouldn't have the issues now. right? how did we improve from 2016? >> i coincide with david. fundamentally the big result the big take away that the polls hinted at is a decisive win by joe biden. certainly he did that. he accomplished that as the polls predicted. and there's always the margin of error to take into consideration. the best polls have margin of error between two and three points. the biggest difference between 2016 and 2020 is that the result coincided in the popular vote and the electoral vote. especially in a lot of key
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battleground states. let's not forget that 2018 those midterms and the polling that we saw there were on the mark as well. certainly in term of predicting the out come. are there issues need to be looked at and self-police as a polling industry? absolutely. are all polls created equal? no, they're not. that's where we as an industry have to be more discriminating and making sure we insist that the highest quality polls. the most rigorous scientific methodology and sometimes it may mean calling out and holding accountable pollsters and polling firms that don't give good results and that factors into the average. there's also nutty stuff going on. quick example. state of maine. it looked like susan collins was going to lose. and the polls had her opponent comfortably ahead. that didn't happen. in the same poll and ballot they nailed the presidential result.
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the average was about plus or minus ten. biden wins. there's some stuff that as you said i know we're anxious. listen to the experts. we may have to watt until the body stiffens and dpet it on the slab and diagnose. >> the polls ain't loyal. and sometimes they are. we don't know when that will be. take me into the grain. i have done polling. i did it in grad school. as a professor. what need to change? the idea that we have to accept the we're always be off 3 to 5%. that's not what people want to hear. is there a change across the profession in polling or how media reports polling that should change by 2024? >> this wasn't a case of a few bad pollsters being off. this across the board miss. what will happen is a shift in
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polling towards online and a i way from the expensive traditional telephone and cell phone samples that we have seen dominate the news media landscape. this will be a change. in maine and a lot of other states keep in mind that the polls that were driving the narrative were taken weeks approximate months out if election day. in the final stretch what we noticed was in talking with republican and democrat pollsters, those races such as maine were tightening. the money was becoming lt story. the republican senators were character puppets of flooding the shone with money. that will be a problem democrats have to confront. >> that was a big issue that happened in south carolina. the outside money and the hollywood liberals were used to attack harrison. i want to ask the thing with
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exit polling. exit polling is usually somewhat accurate. in a year where we had 65 million people vote early and absentee. can we trust any exit polling in to 2020? can we throw it out. or is it indicative of america. >> it's funny. to your point earlier, the kpt polling was rather off in 2016. and we remember that 2004 election. the exit polling said john keri will wean. that did happened. in 2020 the exit polling was very much on the money. if you go back and look at how the exit polls talked about what the results would be especially in the close battleground states. they had it almost within a point or two. i don't think we can necessarily dismiss exit polls. one quick point, we have to get this right. the polling industry has to get this right. polling is nothing more than a reflection of the popular will and the popular opinion on
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topics. it's important for democracy the peoples voice weigh in. this isn't just a problem afflicting democrats. it impacts republicans. it's indicative of the nature of the problem we face and fix the issues if there are some. if it's a methodology question or technology. and people retreating from answering. we have to figure it out. for a healthy democracy you need solid reliable polling. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up. the two dpa run off races will decide when party controls the majority in the senate. could the key lay with latino voters? my discussion with the panel. ys. juggled life for it. ys. took charge for it.
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this january, georgia will see not one but two senate run off races. the out come in the elections will determine which party controls the senate and very likely what can get done during a biden administration. the focus is on georgia. turning out white and black voters. two voting blocks go over looked. latino and asian americans. here to discuss who might hold the key to the georgia special elections are democratic strategist. and executive director of the asian american advocacy fund.
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thank you so much for talking to me this evening. i want to start with you, how do you explain the democrats success in georgia especially asian american voters? >> i will say it's our community. our asian american pacific islander communities in georgia. along with our multi-cultural, lingual and generational coalition we built. with black and brown voters in the state. we wouldn't have achieved the wins if it wasn't for the community in georgia. >> chuck, what impact did latino voters have in georgia this year? was it because they were large numbers of new voters and activating voters who were already there, how did they play a role? >> there's been organizing on the ground. let's talk about the numbers. there's a million latinos in georgia. only about half are old enough to register and part are
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republicans. everybody is interested to know about 185,000 latinos showed up to vote in the november election. the key to getting them back. over ten years the latino growth in georgia is grow at 96%. aapi grew at 131%. that's half a million aapi voters. the asian american and latinos voters focus on the black and white and should. the two new demographics. two fasters growing in the state. which have been self-organizing on the ground is coming to fruition. you'll see them have a big impact on the run off. >> achb times we talk about messaging in campaigns and having a targeted message. bha are the kind of mess alks that dpet out the asian american and community in georgia. is it just jobs, is it issues like immigration? housing? what are the kinds of thins candidates need to say to bring out the community for a run off
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election where people stop paying attention? >> it's not just the issues. jobs or the economy. it's a will the of the same issues that exact other community of color. healthcare and education and making sure the kids can go to school safely. of course immigration is at top of mind for the community. especially increasing access to family based immigration sp path way to citizen ship for undocumented people. here in georgia, we focus so much on issues that relate to the communities especially at the local level. this year i think a lot of folks are forgetting we have a race for public service commission on the ballot on january 5. we'll be talking to voters about what happens on the utility bills and making sure that folks that are receiving a fair deal when it comes to power bills. we're not just talking about the national level because frankly folks are tired of hearing about it. we get to focus on the issues that impact peoples walts al le
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>> kemp did ads saying he was riding around in trucks to round up illegal immigrants and bragged about how aggressive had would be. what are the best messages to reach latino voters in georgia and not just atlanta but south georgia and central part as well. >> if this election taught us anything, latinos ain't the same even from county to county. they live downtown atlanta and act different and sunday like me from the south. they care about family first and foremost. covid hit our community harder than any other community. there's an under tow of anxiety. what we have lived through. the trump hatred drove the turn out in historic levels for november. we hope we can get that energy back. this is our time to let our voice be heard.
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that's exactly why you'll see the two demographics have a big impact. >> i'm curious about this. a will the of people nationally know about stacey abrams and fair fight. and fair vote. has she been helpful to organizations that like yors. has she reached out and sheared money. >> do you pow wow or operate in separate circumstances. >> we have all the support in the world from stacey abrams and supporters. when i started doing the state capitol. she was one of my greatest allies and helped make sure i was representing the needs of my community. throughout this entire process we have been getting support from her organization. as well as from her. we got call from her the other night congratulating us from the success. and making sure we knew we had commitment from her to continue uplifting our organization and
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our community. that's the valuable thing about someone like stacey abrams. it's not just about her. it's her investing in the community and that includes black and brown communities and asian american. >> i tell every single state democratic loves your state the way stacey abrams loves georgia. thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you, jason. >> thank you. up next, millions of families battle food insecurities every single year. we'll look at how these challenges are mounting with the pandemic. e challenges are mounting with the pandemic he doesn't just make a pizza. he uses fresh, clean ingredients to make a masterpiece. taste our delicious new flatbread pizzas today. panera. my husband would have been on the sidelines. but not anymore!
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if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. serious, sometimes fatal infections, cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. taking a higher than recommended dose of xeljanz for ra may increase risk of death. tears in the stomach or intestines and serious allergic reactions have happened. needles. fine for some. but for you, there's a pill that may provide symptom relief. ask your doctor about the pill first prescribed for ra more than seven years ago. xeljanz. an "unjection™".
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thanksgiving is right around the corner. but a holiday that gathers loved ones to share a meal doesn't seem plausible this year for many families still struggling to get by. the organization feeding america projects that 50.4 million americans will experience food insecurities in 2020 due to the
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pandemic and the resulting recession. earlier this year we saw miles-long lines at food banks across the country. eight months later, those same food banks are still experiencing a high increase in demand. americans who have been frequenting pantries have grown more reliant on them. the average thanksgiving meal for 10 people costs roughly 50 bucks. in 2018 the average snap recipient received about $127 a month. that comes out to about $1.40 per meal. now that $5 turkey dinner doesn't sound as reasonable. food banks are being forced to keep up. they're being forced to do much more with much less. fewer people to volunteer, restaurants have closed and haven't been able to donate. you might have a bit of extra
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cash left over for your budget for dinner. even a small donation can go a long way for families in need. so why not help out a neighbor this holiday season? thank you for making time for us tonight. up next, on assignment with richard engel, race for the vaccine. a special look at where we stand towards releasing a vaccine that could save millions of lives. for jason johnson and joshua johnson. joshua returns next week. until next time, good night. wear a mask. make it a good week. ♪
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