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thanks for joining us. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. we will joined by john osoff later in the hour. because as you know, it's all the up to georgia and what will be recording on in february, march, april, depends on what happens in january and who is in control of the senate. so we are staying with that story. the campaign, because there is nothing more happening out there right now. >> i was just talking with paul
this hour about the economic challenges, and may be are worse than we have perceived and the economic team that was announced by biden and what they're going to have to do to try to turn it around, and he unprompted said it depends on what happens in georgia. that is where policy -- that will be the reason we either get policy that works or we don't. it's all down to georgia. >> i saw that, and when economists, ask you them a question, the answer depends on the assumptions and that is what he needs to know. in order to talk about what is going to happen next. thank you, rachel. >> thanks, lawrence. >> take care. like rats fleeing a sinking ship, scott atlas has resigned his position as chief adviser to the coronavirus, and america is safer for it. that means that the most ig n
ignorant man, and the lives he could have helped save if he knew the truth and told the truth to donald trump about covid-19. scott atlas leaving the white house means he will not have to interact and share his thinking with the incoming biden transition. and it means he can avoid the scrutiny of his ineptitude and dangerous advise to trump in the incoming biden/harris transition. we are just 51 days away from the day that joe biden will be sworn in as president of the united states and kamala harris will be sworn in as vice
president of the united states right after donald trump pardons himself that will probably occur on the last day of his presidency so that he can create a headline, no matter how scandalous, to compete with the biden and harris. today, they received their first full intelligence briefings that included the opportunity to read the president's daily brief. that means that the possible threats contained to america are actually now being read for the first time in your years by someone who will actually deal with those threats. as joe biden continues to transition to assuming the responsibility of presidency why donald trump golfs and occasionally spouts unhinged madness about the administration. fewer americas approve of the fading golfing trump presidency.
a new gallop show shows 55% have a favorable view of president-elect joe biden now that is up six points and just 42% have a favorable view of trump that is down three points. today, arizona certified the election results, given biden the 11 elector votes. after certifying, the secretary of state katie hobes said this. >> arizonaans showed up for democracy. and every voter has my thanks that the election was conducted with transparency, accuracy, and in accordance with the laws despite unfounded claims of the contrary. >> and the recount of wisconsin votes that was paid for by the
trump campaign, which requires a campaign requesting recount to pay for it if the margin is more than 2.5% -- .25%. the trump campaign spent $3 million on a partial state recount, recounting the votes in heavily democratic areas. the count produced 87 votes for joe biden in wisconsin, and that means that trump contributors paid $34,482.75 for each of the 87 votes for joe biden that were added to the biden total, thanks to the trump campaign's requested and paid for recount. in a press conference this morning, georgia's republican
secretary of state voted for donald trump said this. >> there are those who exploit the emotions of many trump supporters with fantastic flames, half truths, misinformation and frankly, they misleading the president as well, apparently. >> no one has made more fantastic claims about the election than trump himself, who is now being dubbed as a mad man by his own white house staff. you knew it was going to come to this with the white house staff and trump. the second year of the trump presidency, i compared what we are seeing in the trump white house to the brilliant defictpin of an insane head of state, and flow, now the trump white house admits that that is what we have been living through.
the "washington post" reports after his election defeat, wageful and at times delirious, and at times, trump was like mad king george, muttering, i won, i won, i won. there is not a single legal process any where in america monday that can change the outcome of an election in a sing the state. let alone the majority of the elect electoral challenge, and everything they are following around trump rrnd aing it's to help trick naive people to respond to the emails trump sends every day begging them for money that he claims will be used to fight the election, and can be used for other purposes. tugs jut another trump money
fraund. the results of the election are locked in and the incoming administration continues to add key players to the publicly announced team. jennifer socky will be the white house press secretary. kate bettingfield will become the white house communications director. kyra tanda to the cabinet position to the director of management and budget. the think tank the center. american process. the smoothness of biden nominees will depend on the outcome of the senate elections in georgia on january 5th and we are joined later in the hour by john osoff, democratic candidate for senate in georgia.
members do not have to be confirmed and so, cecilia rouse will be the chair. and heather boucher, serving as the other members of the president's economic vadvisers, leading us off, sam, and pbs newsroom, both are msnbc analysts, and the biden presidency continues to come into view. we now mow most of the key players who will be working in white house positions that do not require senate confirmation and the cabinet is also shaking shape and we are seeing the -- what will be possibly a future senate confirmation battle, or not, depending on the outcome of the senate races in georgia. >> that's right. and democrats are really going to have to hammer that point
home as they go to georgia to try to take both of those seats. democrats are going to have to convince more people to come out in -- now a special election to try to up their numbers to say, look, we really, really need these seats. they are critical to a biden administration. getting the work down. and trump is continuing to do his thing, making all kinds of things where wes had new evidence and one of the things i have been hearing from sources, part of mitch mcconnell's calculation to not completely turn on trump is that he is worried about the trump pace and turning on the republican party. a lot of people who believe the lies that president trump, and again, in georgia, you see this sort of politics they are believing much of the things that ptd trump is saying, even
they think are falsehoods. they are made out of thin air with the president coming up with all sorts on ever things to say, but the senate race will be critical, and we are seeing vice president mike pence make a trip to georgia, and other big names on the republican side going down there. >> and sam, donald trump has confused to some degree the georgia republican telling them their votes don't count, that georgia just steals elections and it's in georgia, so we may be in a spot where trump is being helpful to john osoff in the senate campaign in georgia. >> to the degree that trump's
ut utterances, and that is hugo chavez's late relative. the question, can you make up the vote gaps that do exist in the republican favorer between now and when they take place. that is higher to overcome. and georgia did go for biden, i think it means generally republican, and just to emphasis, the mistakes really are massive here. it's not -- you know, control of the senate may seem broad and hard to control. you are controlling e sently wh -- essentially what comes to the floor. the stimulus bill with you vote on more relief, and dick durbin made clear, he doesn't think will be be confirmation if they
don't turn the seats around. while i expect trump and pence to be down in georgia, the question i'm wondering, whether biden goes down to georgia. because he knows his whole agenda really rides on those two seats. >> we will ask john osoff if he wants biden helping out, and we are president open also, and the question of the up coming election is not in doubt. one of the remaining question, and how plan be lawyers, and how many said that outcome member of the trump administration should be shot because he told the truth about the election. let's listen to what he said on "60 minutes" last night. >> there is no foreign power that is flipping votes.
there is no domestic act flipping votes. i did it right. we did it right. this was a securie election. >> and so tonight, joe degeniva, a washington lawyer, has collapsed into the point -- i marine mentally claptsed to the point where he said that chris krebs, we just saw there, should be taken out of the down and shot. now, that is the kind of thing that is going to get you disbarred, possibly, in washington, d.c., and who knows what is going to will evidence of rudy giuliani's life when this is over. >> well, obviously, calling for someone to be shot, calling for violence on someone is ref rehenciblr reprehensible. but this is what happens when
conspiracy theories get out of hand. and amplifying theories, and the president has not said that he can be shot. that is it clear at least for knew. but what we know is is that the people around trump, they have all been saying things that are just simply don't make sense. you think about rudy giuliani saying they are dead people voting, and sydney powell saying there is a venezuelan conspiracy theory, why the government wasn't able to have an election with integrity. all the things are false. the idea thaw are calling for him to be shot is really scary. it's the tip of the iceberg. so many people understand there are real violent intents behind this. you think that the election workers that are just simply counting the vote, simply doing their jobs that are getting death threats and have to hire security to protect themselves.
they are scary times, and the buck stops with the president and his own language, and saying that he should be shot that is going farther than trump has gone in so we have to watch that space and see what happens in that case. >> when we look at the biden white house staff announcement today. and many have done the jobs in the past and some of the campaign and when you imagine a jen psaki-run white house briefing room january 21st that is a return to normal that would have been forgotten if the trump presidency had continued. >> it's a very valid point in
some respect. the hiring of john psaki and the other people on the communications team is so unremarkable because they are just sort of standard, albeit very accomplished professionals in d.c. on the other hand, the current administration, cha which has turned the briefing room into essentially a chance to spread donald trump propaganda that is not intended to reality. so what we have to do is adjust our expectations. i don't want to lower the bar too much for jen. i know she can clear it. but we need to have a return of normalcy of facts of information. because -- in the briefing room. because that is not just a chance for the president to get his word out. it's a chance for the american public to understand what the government is doing and what the taxpayer funded representatives
are doing and i hope that jen appreciations the mission and reinstates it. it shouldn't be a remarkable hire. but there is a huge task ahead of her. in restoring a very fiber of trust that i think is instrumental to the function of democracy. >> quickly before you go, you will be in the white house press briefing room before jen psaki. what do you anticipate in that room? >> one, i anticipate actual briefings that we have not seen regularly with the trump administration and i expect someone to be accurate and fair had. she will be offering defenses of president-elect biden and we will have tense exchange being you it will be a level of respect that has not been in years, her not treating reporters and screaming at them the way we have seen with the trump administration.
>> thank you very much for starting off the discussion tonight. we appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> you this. and after the break w he will be joined by a congressman who is warning everyone working in the executive branch of government, watch everything during the final days of the trump administration. save all the documents. stand up to the illegal actions. take notes, take names. save that information. congressman shawn cost caster joining us next. caster joining us next. (betsy) hmmhm... gonna be tough to top. well played. (vo) add some thrill to your wish list. at the season of audi sales event. get exceptional offers now.
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for everyone alexander that is forced in the spotlight there are others that are behind him, and we also need your help. congress is still waiting to receive thousands of documents from the white house administration. and multiple channels and many are blocking the release of information that pertains to
their work for the united states kpaufs. >> that is sean casten calling on government employees to protect documents and push back against illegal actions in the final days of the trump administration, and an op-ed, congressman casten thanked civil servants and urged them to remain vigilant. he said with it ending in a matter of weeks, some officials may be tempted to cover the tracks of the administration and destroy evidence of wrong doing. we cannot allow that to happen. joining our discussion now is sean casten. thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. i want to get your basic outline of what you're worried about in the final days of the trump administration? >> so pleasure to be here, thanks for having me. we shouldn't have to be talking about this.
right? but all of us, whether we're elected or serving on the federal government, we are do custodians of the public trump. and that is not the case with trump or the people he surrounds himself with, and i think it's not unreasonable to be concerned they may be trying to hide evidence of criminality or things they are embarrassed about. and this is not about prosecution. not about right or wrongs. it's making sure that our government has a complete record of all information that happened in the trump administration so that we can walk in conversations with the allies and adversaries with eyes wide open. >> trying to achieve what you talked about decades and decades ago, but we have information indicating that trump himself has violated the central records act by ripping up notes,
translater notes with meetings he had with putin. every piece of paper like that is a federal report that is supposed to be protected by law. but we already have indicators that this administration doesn't pay attention to that law. >> well, it's quite right but i would be a little careful about generalizing the administration. there is at federal records act, and the presidential records act that is a little different. but in general, if you work for cia, the fbi, it is a matter of discipline that you save every record everywhere. now, it's true that folks in the trump white house have been moving things to servers. we know that they have been using encrypted whatsapp applications, and i want to make sure that we are clear there are thousands of vignettes you have never heard of. and they are protected news this
moment and will continue to protect us, doing what the law requires. they recognize there are criminal penalties for violating that law. >> what is your view of the lookback investigations that might be investigated by the white house of representatives, and will be controlled by the democrats, and we will have chairman to order that, or the biden justice department looking back at what has happened in the trump administration? >> well, and of course the states as well. i think all of us who love this country f we're honest, are struggling with attention. right? because if you are a country that believes and supports the rule of law, you have to be committed to the principle that no one is above the law. on the other hand, we have never in our history prosecuted a former president. that includes jefferson davis, right? there are risks to a mature
democracy that you have be careful about. we have to see how it plays out. what i hope is we need to have a record of what happens. right? what we do with that information that is a separate question but we need to have the records. >> have you seen elements of -- areas of federal law, i should say, that need to be strengthened? that need to have enforcement components to them that don't currently have enforcement components to them that have been eliminated by the trump administration's refusal to come ply with central law, including the hatch act. >> so without question there are numerous federal laws that don't have a lot of teeth. and i think congress is one of the worst offenders.
we don't hold ourselves accountable. and i think when we are through this moment, we are going to have a you did, we need to come up with a knew nacronym for it. and it will be a little from mur ma sure until we have the information to know where the most egregious violations are. >> what do you see as the legislative possibilities if there is a democratic senate versus a republican senate? >> well, let's start with what we can be really optimistic
about. we have a white house that believes in science that will put the covid crisis first. we have a majority in the house that feels the same way, that understands economic principle sbgs we are basically asking, are we going to have a cooperative senate? we understand that a mitch mcconnell sflat be not con productive m th productive. that is tragic. we have a senate, we will pass hr1. let's be aggressive in the defense of democracy, getting rid of gerrymandering, starting the process of undoing citizens united and doing all those things hmp we have to get rid of the filibuster. because 50 isn't going to be enough. because we have -- -- is there a question there? >> no, go ahead, congressman. >> i was going to say that the reason why i start with optimism
is i think it's worth keep manage mind that the overwhelming majority of american people joet voted for joe biden, they voted to preserve the house, and the senate, but the senate doesn't represent the people. it represents the states, right? and i think we just need to reck needs that as long as we govern in a way that embraces. >> pierre:cy democracy, and we are going to be okay. the hr 1, hr 4, the voting rights act, that is the commitment to double down on democracy. >> congressman sean casten, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, my pleasure. >> well. well, i said, it's up to georgia on january 5th, if democrats jon ossoff, and rafael win their senate elections on that day, the democrats will control the senate and the
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lauflor and david perdue. the second time in less tlan two months, his time was impeccable. he russelling and buying the same stock. atlanta based financial technology company on whose board of directors he once served. here is the latest ad from his democratic challenger jon ossoff. >> since covid, we had to close our main dining room. we lost all of that business and we used to do a lot of catering. we can't do any of that anymore. david perdue knew what was about to happen. he was getting classified briefings about the pandemic. instead of him being concerned about us, he is off selling stock. we had no idea we had to close our businesses, i would lose catering and so many people
died. he fought get the similar lsu checks. perdue needs to come off, and o ossoff in. >> joining us now is jon ossoff. thank you voch for joining us again tonight. you heard about the performance of georgia, and one of the questions i want to pull down, and something raised by sam stein, with donald trump planning to go to georgia, sam stein and wondering if you're hoping joe biden will come to georgia to help your company? >> i would love for the president-elect to come down. and for vice president-elect. i want to encourage them. if they want to take the time, but with their busy schedules, i
understand. but as for president trump, he has come to georgia empty handle. he is not bringing stimulus, or relief for maryland's restaurant, mom's kitchen here. he is going to come and spread covid at one of his rallies. i'm not sure what they hope to aprooef. >> won't trump bring the message that votes don't matter, is that what he is saying about the republican votes? >> you know what this really is? this is an attack on black vote nergs georgia. purdue, trump and leffler, they expected the apparatus of -- the will of the people boiled over. the strength of black turn yooun
georgia was so overwhelming that trump lost the state. he didn't believe it and perdue is forced in a run off. and they are so outraged they have to earn the support of the people that they are attacking their own just like lindsay gram was attacking the secretary of stra state to slow out local ballots in georgia. >> the issue of insider trading with senator perdue has come up and again and again and again. when i said the beginning of the segment, a new charge. it's a new one in a series of the way it has happened. what is your position on united states senators being able to actively trade stocks as many of them do? based on information that they are hearing in hearings and
briefings and other stude opportunities they will uniquely have. >> i will introduce a bill on day one to ban members of congress from trading individual stocks. let's look at the pattern of senator perdue's misconduct. he is sitting on the banking committee trading financial services stocks. then as he taking the chairmanship of the commitdy that oversees and funds the navy, he oversees contractors and the committee is directing taxpayer dollars to him. >> he is getting classified briefings on covid-19, dumping casino shares, buying stocks in makers of masks and gloves and vaccines and telling the public this thing is no deadlier than the flu, and his excuse all year is that he didn't control his own portfolio.
nonsense, federal criminal investigators found that he directed his own stock trades. >> the support for that in the senate will be an interesting challenge since so many senators have done what david perdue has done. they haven't been exposed. your position is it's okay if they own investments in giants funds that are investing in hundreds of thousands or stocks because no individual stocks matter. you are just understanding they are cannot buy and trade individual stocking ws why they in the senate. >> they shouldn't have be able to trade their stocks. they should put their assets in a blind trust. this wheeling and dealing, this corruption, that is what people are so disgueststed by. we need a government that works
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he became the first black president of the harvard law review, and noah harris will make president as the first black man elected by his fellow students as president of the student body, and joining us now is president-elect noah harris. the author of the children's book "successville." how do you like that name, president-elect? >> it sounds great. i'm honored to have it. thank you for having me. >> i want to -- i know for har individual historians, we need to put in footnotes here. the student body did have a black man serve as president before, but that is when they were elected by a student council, and a black woman was elected in 2001.
with all the footnotes, you are the first elected by the student body to serve as president. how much of your desire to go in this direction was inspired by john lewis that day? >> i was inspired by congressman lewis to so much for a while now. and it was just so sad when he passed because the type of influence he had. and just the amazing person he was, was just so evident. you really saw how much of a uniter he was, and they called him the congress. he was loved on both sides of the aisle. he did a deep love for all people and i hope that is something i bring to the position and i really just hope
i i am able to embody the love of country that he had. that is what i want to do and i was able to meet him as a member of the united states senate in 2018. so he really did have a projukt impact. >> you want on me. >> you went to a big high school in hattiesbering, mississippi. and you said when you were going to high school you weren't even thinking of going to a place like harvard. is that because you hadn't seen that trip made by anyone in your high school before yourself? >> i don't think so. i just always thought that harvard was for the famous kids or the kids who were going to invent facebook or geniuses or something like that. not that i'm not smart, but i just really felt that that wasn't something that was on my radar. i've always been really focused on academics. my parents really instilled that from a young age, work hard in
school and be ready for your future at that point. but i was really kind of focused on not necessarily the ivy league but some great schools, though. >> what would you say to other kids out there watching tonight in states like mississippi and in big high schools like yours where they aren't thinking of a school like harvard? they aren't thinking about aiming in that direction? what would you say about your college and other colleges like it? >> i would say don't be afraid to go after your dreams, to go after those goals of yours and to really -- to make your mark and just use your talents that you have to your greatest ability. that's kind of why i wrote the children's book successville, and i rote it to show young people they can be anything if they're willing to work and
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we're going to give togetherness. logistically, it's been a nightmare. i'm not sure it's going to work. it'll work. i didn't know you were listening. needless to say i like food just like everyone else but i don't care about it enough to remember what i had for lunch. but i'll never forget this lunch. that was my thanksgiving dinner
the last time i was in malloyi delivering desks to schools and i've never had a better thanksgiving than that. that's what i'm usually doing on thanksgiving week, but with travel restrictions this year i couldn't go to maloi. viewers of this program have been very generous in supporting kids in need of desks, but i know this year many of you won't be able to contribute at all. many of you have lost jobs, lost income. this country has suffered the worst unemployment rates of our lifetimes this year, and so there is more need here at home than ever before, and that's why i for one will be increasing my charitable support this year here in the united states including for a public school in my old neighborhood in boston
where all of the students had to be given laptops this year so they could participate in remote learning. but the needs of students in malm maloui has increased this year. unicef is also delivering masks to schools in maloui and the desks themselves have become an important part of the health strategy in the schools. here's the head teacher at the zumaze primary school who told us about the importance of desks in fighting the spread of covid-19. >> because of the size of the desks we can have a good distance on the covid-19
preventive measures. we can have enough space for them to be 1 meter apart. we were able to have those preventive measures with covid-19. >> this is what most of the classrooms looked like before covid-19 and before we delivered desks to some of those classrooms. and so the work of the kind fund continues and includes a scholarship for girls to attend high school in malloyy. you can make a contradiction at lastworddesk.msnbc.com. and unicef will send a desk.
no contribution is too small. tomorrow is giving tuesday, a day when instead of taking advantage of the post-thanksgiving sales we shift our focus to consider giving to a good cause if we can. msnbc is proud to be the signature media partner of giving tuesday for the seventh year in a row. and once again this year we hope that you might be able to consider helping kids in need of desks on this giving tuesday. that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. well, good evening once again. day 1,411 of the trump administration leaving 51 days until inauguration day. it's been 23 days since the election was called for joe biden. the 46th president of the united states will indeed be sworn in during a dark and challenging time.