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the promise of the biden presidency and harris vice presidency rest in part on their ability to have a cooperative posture with congress. and to do that, we have to have the two gentlemen who are running for senate in georgia. >> the best way to make sure that trump legacy stays in place is to win georgia. if you want to protect this family from another round of mueller investigations, we need to win georgia. >> good morning and welcome to the final weekend of "am joy."
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republican ibts kncumbents kell loeffler and purdue. trump performed worse in counties where he held large rallies ahead of the election. joining me now, aaron haynes, latasha brown, tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal constitution and jelani cobb, political analyst for msnbc. if you all will indulge me for a month, i'm going to paraphrase
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right now. weep have research that trump showing up actually harms him beep have a graphic that shows trump as performed worse in county where he performed. what do you think his motivation is for showing up in valdosta, georgia? >> that might be one scenario why he does show up in georgia. i don't think that given the kind of perspective and, you know, tendency toward self-aggrandizement that we've seen from the president that she's likely to even concede that he might be a drag on loeffler and purdue.
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it was a weird dynamic even before. the other thing i'll say about this when you look at the fact that david purdue got more votes in georgia than donald trump did and the number of people who potentially voted down ticket but did not vote for presidential candidate or even the heresy of voting for a democratic candidate, it really is a head scratcher that people think they're going to have this rally. it may be a case that they have the rally and if they're smart senatorial conditions, they won't be anywhere near it. >> i think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. if he didn't show up, it might be a bad sign. if you're loeffler and purdue,
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does it help anyone or is this just self-aggrandizement for the president 40 days before he's out of office? >> that remains the question. there were republicans in georgia that supported purdue and loeffler but didn't necessarily support the president. a lot of people may have said they didn't like the president's rhetoric but what he was saying on twitter but were totally fine with the policies he's enacted over the last four years. so moving the republican agenda forward may be something they are willing to get on board with. there's also the message that is happening on a national stage that is focused on georgia saying loeffler and purdue were the last fire walls standing between republicans and whatever chaos the incoming democratic administration could cause with
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the election of joe biden and kamala harris. but i think organizers like latasha and others who have been on the ground for years working to expand the election track in georgia are keeping this race local. as we know, all poll titics are local. so what the issues are that matter to actual georgians, especially in the midst of the economic crisis raging in this pandemic may be the thing that resonates most of ul and motivate and galvanizes and energizes voters a month from today when they are casting their ballots under really extraordinary circumstances in our country. >> and i want to move with that point to latasha brown, who i tell people all the time in a fair world would be the most famous political analyst on the face of the earth. there's no people who have done more for people with less than
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latasha brown. we've heard numbers about high requests for absentee ballots but what are some of the cutoffs and deadlines? what are some of the issues people are dealing with right now? >> on january 5th, people will speak. ultimately what i think is happening is that there is this attempt in georgia right now to close up even early voting centers. you're looking at cobb county and several sites that are slated to be closed that were open during the general election. you're looking at several other counties that they're trying to restrict access. the biggest issue in the voter suppression tactic used in the state has been restricting access. i think we're looking at a number of things but the most imminent danger is the closing of recall voting sites. in a state where we had very important leadership around
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covid-19 and i want to remind the african-american community in the state have been devastated by covid-19. early on in april of this year, 80% of all hospitalizations in the state of georgia were african-americans and a state that we represent less than 30% of the population. i think it going to be key and critical that what we're dealing with right now is the closure of early voting sites, that when we're looking at the deadlines, the deadlines for recall registration is on this monday. when we're looking for in-person voting, it starts on december the 14th. i think what is going to be critical is that we also make sure we have access for people to have the same kind of access to vote and runoff as they did in the general election. >> tia, i want to continue with this theme here. while thousands are the getting sick and hundreds are dying every day in states like georgia because of the pandemic, it seems like the local government is only concerned with
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oppressing and harassing people trying to protect everybody's right to vote. there's a recent story about an investigation into voter organizations and get out of vote organizations in georgia. what's going on with that right now? and how is that being perceived on the ground that in the midst of this health care crisis, they're still trying to keep organizations from getting to the polls? >> and i think that investigation by secretary of state brad raffensperger is proof that even though democrats and folks critical of president donald trump have praised the secretary of state for standing up for the integrity of the election, this investigation he's launched shows he's still a tried and true conservative. he has a lot of policies and thinkings and proposals that have frustrated organizations that are on the ground, particularly those that are focused on democratic candidates or progressive issues. and so this investigation is about organizations that have sent mailers and postcards
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encouraging people to register to vote. and he's insinuating that some of those were not in good faith, but again, it's not illegal to send someone a postcard, even if they doesn't meet the register to vote or if they're not even -- if they're gone or incapacitated. but that's what he's insinuating. that shows that he is still a conservative, still a trump supporter, even if in recent days he's said thing that have angered president donald trump. >> this is what sort of galls me, the moment any republican says something reasonable, like, hey, maybe you should stott encouraging death threats again state officials or, hey, i did a paper recount and there's no fraud here, that i aaron, from your perspective, how is this being perceived down south, this
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internal battle going on with rab sm do you think this is damaging loelff le re and purdue or do you think it doesn't make a difference? >> i think it definitely has the ability to do damage. you have some trump supporters like rudy giuliani and mcdaniels saying vote for purdue and loeffler but another, an attorney in georgia saying if they don't get on board with the president's legal challenges, maybe they doesn't deself-yorve vote in this rigged system. it's even leading to threats of violence, which is why you had that very impassioned flea pla
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fr -- plea from the election official who was saying enough is enough down there. i think tia's point, using tactics they know that could span the electorate, trying to frame that as voter intimidation. it's something they are fully on board with and fully willing to pursue because it is not directly affecting them and their party. >> yes, jelani. >> i just want to say really quickly this has been something that republican strategists were aware of. going back to the point when the democrats were in the primaries and you were already hearing the rhetoric about the election being rigged and so on and telling people not to vote by mail. flrp lots of republicans concerned by that bus typically, many raeb, especially older americans were voting by mail. if you tell people the system is
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rigged against them, they will rocket science to see they could fongsly have blow back around this. you're now seeing between what's in the best interest of the republican party, what is in and that's playing out publicly. >> i want to end with latasha here. this idea of threats and concerns about violence that republicans are now complaining about, i want you to talk to some of the threat and violence against activists and organizers on the ground. i was not moved given some of the things that i know have happened to you and with police and can you tell us some of the united states. two years ago we had 45 seniors that were told they couldn't -- [ inaudible ].
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>> we have had our bus where we pulled up to places and they would say we were closed. we had to get extra security to secure the bus. on within we've gotten so manyin death threats on our motion mia this himself been real. and even this last tleks, in the general election now in albany, georgia, there was a white woman in line, who actually pulled a gun on our workers. and so it has been a very ten use situation for black voters who have been doing this work forever and are doing this work on the ground. so i think it's quite interesting that now we're speaking about the ballots, even though there are many of us who have been talking about this all the while. >> as usual, straight truth. thank you guys so much for starting off the show. . jelani will be back in our next
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i think we have not yet seen the post-thanksgiving peak. the number in and of themselves are alarming. and then you realize it likely we'll see most of the surge as we get the thanksgiving holiday. that abuts right on the christmas holiday as people start to travel and shop and congregate. >> as the u.s. breaks records for covid-19 cases, hospitalization and deaths on nearly a daily basis. the cdc is now warning that nearly 20,000 americans could die during the week of christmas alone. the death toll every day is nearing the number of people
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killed on 9/11, which as "new republic" writer matt for reported led to a massive reorganization of the federal government. but now nine months in there is no effective response at all from the federal government as we hit numbers like that every day. meanwhile, president-elect biden is calling on all americans to wear masks for the first 100 days of his administration and pleading with people to stay vigilant. >> i don't want to scare anybody here but understand the facts, we're likely to lose another 250,000 people dead between now and january. you hear me? because people aren't paying attention. >> joining me now is dr. mercedes carnathon and dr. john ashby of the committee to protect medicare.
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i am known for being very cynical and critical. joe biden saying he's going to ask americans to wear masks for a hundred days. that doesn't seem like it going far enough to me. everyone who is going to wear a mask has already started. asking people nicely is not going to move anything. do you think that's a enough or will he have to push for a legislative mandate to make people wear masks? >> thanks for the question, jason. so i want to put this in context for everyone when it comes to mandates. as an african-american, knowing our history very well, any time i hear the world mandate and hearing the criminal justice will enforce that, i worry it will be enforced disproportiona disproportionately against people of color. having said that, we all know wearing masks work, they save lives. so as long as we can have some
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form of a plan, mandate or not, to increase the usage of masks that doesn't disproportionately fine people are color, i am all the way through with it. but we have to understand very clearly that the pandemic is killing black and latino americans at a disproportionate rate. we're three times more likely to die. i would like to call on the biden administration to start his initiative in the pandemic now. trump has abdicated his responsibilities and he needs to do daily updates and communicate directly with the public. as you nensed, a lot of folks will die between now and when he takes office and that's way too much unnecessary bets. this is a call for the biden administration to step up, please. >> dr. carnathon, what does
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stepping up need to look like? what does that need to look like? we can already tell by the difficulty people have in getting to the dmv or getting a new driver's license or even voting, from a distribution standpoint, plans are hard to implement in america. what does biden's plan need to look like to get through the holiday season? >> thank you for having us back to speak with you about this. one of the things i've been doing during the course of this pandemic is to think about how best leadership can help. we are currently in a crisis. one of the principles of crisis leadership is leading with empathy and communicating regularly. those are two critical ones i want to focus on right now. i think biden is taking an important step forward by speaking directly to the pandemic, by describing what his
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plans are, including this 100-day mask mandate. what makes me feel encouraged about the 100-day mask mandate is he has stated very clearly what the kbining and the end are. part of being a crisis leader is needing to be agile in the context of what happens. if his team continues to it's possible the is 00 days may need to be extended but it a starting point that if we can make a short behavioral commitment, we may have long-term benefits. >> so you talk about leadership, dr. carnethon, bill clinton and barack obama said we're willing to take the vaccine publicly and encourage people do it. i'm curious whether or not you think that will actually have an
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impact on people taking this vaccine when it's been available. you can have rheana and cardi b. come out and take this and people will still be skeptical. what do you think it going to take for people to take this when it becomes available in the spring? >> i think where we're falling short is acknowledging their very rational concern. we always refer to the tuskeegi experiment. we're americans and we believe in the constitution. so when black americans talk about their distrust, we need to acknowledge that. but in addition to that, we're fighting a war on two front, one
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with the pandemic obviously but also with misinformation. a lot of folks who echo this distrust for the government but then jump off a cliff and talk about microchips and all other things that don't make any sense. unfortunately they have a voice, a platform in social media and folks like myself and dr. corbet from nih who was at the helm of developing this vaccine need to be given a platform and correct directly with our people. unfortunately we are shouldering the burden of this pandemic. >> so 20 years ago, dr dr. carnethon, after 9/11 they said you got to start taking off your shoes at the airport. weep literally moved parking lots so you couldn't be so close to the airport. there were fundamental changes in our lives. i kind of believe those who complained then are marching now
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saying a mask is oppression. what do you think at the local levels needs to be done -- what do mayors and governors need to do to get everybody ready for this eventual implement is coming. what do local governments need to do to be ready? it's what our legal leaders are influencing the day-to-day lives of individual americans. leading by example is critical in this case. when i am heartened to see her wearing a mask when i see joe biden, he wears a mask, takes it on i think enforcement of mask wearing policies, and promotings
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sos did tansing. >> what you don't want to see are leaders throwing large holidays for the holidays. i read word of pending parties at the white house for the christmas holidays. that's not the sort of example in leadership we need to see. we are all being forced to make sacrifices right now for the greater good and that's what we need to do to keep our eyes focused on the end game. >> i want to mention, african-americans and latinos are three times as likely to die from covid as white americans. very quickly, dr. ashby, how do we get this message through and make sure people understand before christmas, unlike thanksgiving, that you could literally kill grandma if you go home? >> listen, it all has to do with making all americans a priority. any time up see a group of people dying at a high rate, all
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of our resources -- not all but a good amount of our atex should be directed at addressing that population. what we know with america is when things affect black and folks. when it affected white as a business pro targs ally rate where you have that many are the den p def essentially we have to mack a priority. but it fundamentally says, listen, we have to al owe case resources, manpower, money, everything towards mitt dpating this. that has not happened yet and i hope and i'm hope. that the biden administration will do this and follow up on tlp rhetoric th -- their rhetor
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talked about during the campaign. >> thank you, bernard ashby and dr. carnethon. coming up, a look at the long-term damage the virus could have on america's birth rate. n e at dell technologies, we started by making the cloud easier to manage. but we didn't stop there. we made a cloud flexible enough to adapt to any size business. no matter what it does, or how it changes.
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donald trump has been trying to kill daca, also known as deferred action for childhood arriv arrivals since he took office. and a federal judge ordered that daca be reinstated immediately. trump has continued to try and gut daca, even after the supreme court ruled in june his efforts were illegal.
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another failure to team trump in the waning days of administration. up next, coronavirus may bring a baby boom or a baby bust. stay with us. oom or a baby bust stay with us
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i'll do it. good plan. early to mid december marks nine months since lockdown started with everyone stuck in their homes with their significant others. should we now see more births? >> the decline is this month and next month and then after that
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it starts to go up. >> we talked to one mother due in march. she already as a 9 and 14-year-old. >> and we were done but we were secluded during our house during covid so we literally have a covid baby on the way. >> conventional wisdom suggests nine months into our lockdown life nature would take its course and we'd have a baby boom. but the reality could be a baby bust. according to a study from brookings, we could see half what million fewer births next year and that could have long-term consequences. could scenes like this be a reality in our not-too-distant future? joining me now, phillip b. levine, economic professor at wellesley college and an assista assistant professor from johns
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hopkins, alison. women of child bearing ages, 34% they're going to delay or simply not have children because of the pandemic. what could be the consequences in the next two or three years sociologically in america? >> yeah. so even before the pandemic began, we saw that women and families were intending to have fewer children. so layering this pandemic on top of that means that we might see some long-term implications of this pandemic in that people might just forego having children altogether. i think, you know, as parents are overwhelmed right now. as a mother of two young kids i'm trying to balance work with managing virtual school and juggling child care. so the thought of adding another tried l chi
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child to the mix right now, it seems very overwhelming. but it could be once people get better and prove, people could change their mind and say maybe we should have that additional child. these are all important questions. >> phillip, you were part of a research study that talked wiabt how we could be facing this baby bust. what are the conclusions of what could be the economic impact of a baby bust in the next coming years? >> i think uncertainty is not great for child bearing and there is plenty of uncertainty in the world. we've got economic uncertainty. there's plenty of people who are struggling with their jobs, wondering where the next meal is going to come from. you know, that's not great for thinking about now is a great time to have a child. there's the public health consequences clearly are important here. you know, if you're worried about your own health, the
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health of your parents. i don't know the medical evidence but you might be worried about pregnancy risks should you happen to get pregnant during a pandemic. for a lot of reasons, this might feel to a lot of people like now is not a great time. you know, in terms of economic activity, if we have at the end of the day a bigger population, it's a bigger economy. so to the extent there's fewer children, that has economic implications. to the extent this is a one-shot deal and we lose a few hundred thousand, half a million babies once, that's not that big of a deal, but this is coming on the heels of, you know, half a million reduction in the number of babies born over the last decade anyway. so now it's starting to add up. and, you know, we are starting to move into a period where population might actually be, you know, falling or not growing as rapidly as it would have otherwise. >> and, phil, i want to continue
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from that because let's say there's 500,000 fewer babies born next year. by all accounts, it's very likely we're not going to be done with this pandemic. your research looked at the spanish flu in 1819, it was a two-year process and they weren't dealing with anti-maskers back then and the economic fallout. what happens if this trend continues into 2022 or 2023? what could it do to the tax base or public education or marketing? where could we see the real fallout down the road in certain strives? >> there's no question about it. the pandemic, flohopefully the vaccine will work. recessions linger for quite some
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time. it's not even so much job loss because even when people get -- find jobs after a prolonged period of unploumemployment, th tend not to be as good as job as they had beforehand. it takes years from people to recover from a recession as severe that we're going through now. the problems we're facing now in term of fertility aren't going to go away tomorrow. in terms of where economic impacts may lie, certainly i wouldn't want to be in the school construction industry right now. the social security system is based on current workers paying in for retirees who are receiving today. if you got a smaller tax base that's contributing to the system, it's harder to finance.
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you've already got financial problems in the social security system. so there's definitely important and broad implications from all of this. >> alison, very quickly, what could the american family lock like three to five years after the pandemic? are we going to see more and more parents starting in their 40s, their late 30s or will parents push this off and say i'm going to have kids later? >> there's been this general trend in people delaying having their first child in the united states. so it very well may be the case that, you know, right now is just not a good time and, yeah, we might see more of those births happen in the late 30s and early 40s. we might see an uptick in interest in iva and that could very well be the case. >> i also hope that leads to more americans being interested in adoption.
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signatures, and if you're not going to check signatures in georgia, it doesn't work, but we have a secretary of state and a governor who made it very difficult to check signatures. why? you'll have to ask them. we will compare the signature on the envelope to the signatures from past elections, and we will find that many thousands of people signed these ballots illegally. >> i cannot wait until this guy is gone. welcome back to "am joy" i'm jason johnson. donald trump is doing his level best to bring what he claims is massive voter fraud to america's attention in an attempt to everybody i don't beer turn results of the election but getting a brutal reality check on judges and officials who slapped down almost all his legal challenges.
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in machine michigan, the viral testimony sums it up. >> we're not seeing the poll off by 30,000 votes. that's not the case once you do take and do something crazy to it? >> i'm just saying the numbers are not off by 30,000 votes. so -- >> i know what i saw. i know what i saw and i signed something saying if i'm wrong i can go to prison. did you? >> yes, not a segment from "drunk history on comedy central" also ace lawyer rudy guiliani led the way trumpeting the supposed lack of witness transparency. >> they didn't bother to interview a single witness. just like you, they don't want to know the truth. >> hugo chavez, eventually followed up with maduro. >> these have americans riveted to tv screens. listen to one you are or favorite viewers and frequent viewer of "my hits" leslie
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jones. >> you know how sad you look, you [ bleep ], stupid [ bleep ] child, you up here with a chart that you can't even read. he can't even read that chart. he don't know what the [ bleep ] that chart says. you [ bleep ] moron. >> joining me now, tiffany cross author of "say it louder," i had no idea she'd writ an book and justice correspondent for "the nation" and msnbc contributor as well and paul butler former federal prosecutor at msnbc legal analyst, you all are my anger translators this morning, because we have a tremendous amount of rid lossridiculousty through. you look at rudy guiliani before the election even, on a scale of jackie childs from "seinfeld" to "breaking bad," how bad a lawyer has he been for trump?
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>> at lionel hutz. how bad. nothing we can do about this. by the way, good morning, jason, thank you for having me. hello, tiffany. nothing we can do about this. right? they're calls sanctions. rule 11 sanctions. federal rules of civil procedure we can sanction lawyers who bring frivolous lawyers with no chances of success. al giuliani team admitted the only reason they brought the lawsuits in michigan were delay the certification of votes. outcome they try to get courts to do. easy for people to file sanctions against these people and make them pay for what they've done. which is what needs to happen. >> so this is the thing. it's not just that they are engaging in frivolous lawsuits, but also, we've seen throughout this trump administration, pretty much turned the entire legal case into a pay for play
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program. ask you this question -- what on earth should the american public think about this recent einvestigation that shows that people are attempting to buy pardons from the trump administration? is that something that we've ever seen in the past? and is this the kind of thing that joe biden is going to have to handle once he gets into office? >> yes. so the justice department is investigating whether there was a pay to play bribery scheme in the white house where if you made a campaign donation, you got a pardon. the investigation focused on this billionaire real estate developer who hired this connected d.c. lawyer to get clemency for another guy serving a long sentence. the allegation was that the billionaire would make a substantial political contribution in exchange for the pardon. the lawyer who was hired also represe represents peer hepierre cristi.
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what prosecutors ask themselves is, does this sound like something donald trump would do? and the answer is -- yes. he's abused his power, his pardon power, almost from day one. he's used his power explicitly for his political and criminal interests and we'll just have to see where this most recent investigation goes. >> so basically it's a classic wwdtd, and given the precedent that we've seen from this president, there's no reason to is spect he wouldn't at least be open to the discussion of selling pardons. with that in mind, joyce, i want to bring this to you. so right now they're sort of rolling out this list of this administration all the different kinds of people they may pardon, pardon himself, maybe his children, joe exotic, i'm sure lots of tigers would be unhappy about that. what is the likelihood he will be able to get all of these
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pardons out and more importantly a blowback to even republicans in the senate or local state prosecutors to try to continue after these people even if being pardoned by the president? >> i feel like i'm watching "oprah," the pardon special. you get a pardon, you get a pardon. you get a pardon, as we watch these stories develop. what is difficult to express, jason, is how different this is from the way the pardon process is supposed to work. a process allows a president to do mercy in certain circumstances. barack obama use fundamentrathey to make sent pss more consistent after congress changed the laws regarding sentencing under crack cocaine. a classic example of doing justice. all of those cases were individually reviewed, and prosecutes went back to judges and the original prosecutor and looked at records of contact while in prison to make these decisions on a uniform basis
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across the country. so the trump process, which is no process at all, right? it's, you get a pardon if you're a family member. if you're pardon might protect the president, or if it just appeals to him whimsically on any given day, and not much of a process and he can do it as readily apparently as issuing a tweet. i think we'll see some, i'll use the word "fascinating" as a marker for horrific. excessive abuse. pardon process before this is all over. >> tiffany, there have been a lot of people over the last four years who have given president trump and jared kushner all of this credit for what they've done for criminal justice reform and how much they've done for black america, but in this list of pardons i see floated around i don't see a lot of people of color. i don't see a lot of black folk. i don't see a lot of african-americans who have been thrown in jail for ridiculous drug charges. do you think there's any worth
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in maybe the cbc or people trying to plead with the president, to actually pardon some african-americans, or was it something he was only going to do when lil wayne went to his office, and now he doesn't care? >> i don't want to say it's not worth it. if i was needlessly ensnared in the criminal justice system i would want everyone to do everything to reward me with some sort of life in this era. how receptive will this president be? i'm not sure. he doesn't have public incentive to do this anymore and quite frankly entangled in his own ridiculous legal battles. this entire notion that donald trump and jared kushner did so much for black people is as asinine as mitch mcconnell writing an op-ed about his role in the civil rights era. a show that fab lick jason johnson is hosting, i want to remind the audience the first
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year donald trump was in office jared and ivanka kushner made over $80 million while in office. the second year it inflated to $135 million. why might he be trying to pre-pardon his children in his last few days in office? i'm really curious how this will all play out. jason, you know being raised in households like we were, we were raised to distrust the system. everyone around me keeps saying the system is going to work. he's going to leave. these people are the human embodiment of why we are so distrustful of a system that has routinely and historically and consistently harmed us. now we see the results of centuries of white supremacy is that elevated this very below average, basic intelligent man into office, being president of the united states and here we are in the grips of a global pandemic that disproportionately harms black and brown folks, and
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increasingly problematic economy while these bread lines are getting longer and, i should point out, he's also rushing through executions. federal executions. at this point in his presidency. so i am terrified of what's to come. but i do anticipate that we will, that the war is not over. you know? there are still battles to be fought as he is the outgoing president and i hope that he eventually accepts that. >> so, joyce, same with tiffany, i don't trust the system. 2340 reason to especially when it comes to black and brown and poor in this country. one thing i always trust about politicians, they will do the thing most necessary for their careers to be advanced. what do you think is the likelihood as trump hands out pardons maybe at the federal level you will see local prosecutors in different states saying, wait a minute. if i can find some tangental connection between a trump business and my state i'm going
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to court against this guy? could we see a generation of prosecutors going after trump his associates and families as a way to advance their other careers at the state level? >> one of the most fascinating features of the legal landscape here is that traditionally state prosecutors have stepped aside to let the federal government prosecute corruption cases. the federal government has more resources, it moves more quickly. the sentences tend to be longer, but i think that your question is an important one to ask here. we know cy vance in manhattan is pushing cases on the trumps. mimi rocah the district attorney in westchester county and likely have jurisdiction over some trump-related cases. we don't know what our states and lochlt d.a. would proceed, and remiss if i didn't pick up tiffany's point about speedup in
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ex-caucuses as this presidencies draws to a close. i was proud to be over 100 prosecutors state and federal, democrat and republican, who wrote to say that the death penalty is something that this country should no longer push forward with. it's out moded and unfair and perhaps what we will see is state prosecutors take on responsibility for the corruption cases, this push to reform the criminal justice system, to end use of the death penalty will also come from them as well. >> elie when i look at the heads of this snake it is rudy guiliani. he is the one leading all of these sort of ridiculous lawyers on this chasing windmills attacks on our elections and delays and everything else like that. who do you think is going to step up first to try to get giuliani disbarred? or do you think he's going to somehow come out of this administration and still be able to practice the ridiculous abuse of law that he's been engaging in the last couple years?
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>> giuliani doesn't practice law. he works next door. hasn't been a real lawyer for years. there's already a move, bill parcells jr., of new jersey, already made a move to bring ethics complains against giuliani at the bar hopefully those go forward. look, giuliani is the one that needs the pardon the most, because he is the person i believe that the southern district of new york has squared up in their sights. so he probably needs the get out of jail free card the most, but i would caution listeners to think about it this way -- yes, there is a chance that trump will pardon giuliani and the entire trump family. pardon himself. the one thing i know about trump and trump people, their business is crime. their modus op pranerandi is cr. these people are timonthy dalto.
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they get against a license to kill. do you think the trump library is going to spend all that money on books? come on. the crimes that will happen going forward are crimes we can prosecute and agree with joyce. we have mimi, and pasara and opportunities to prosecute these people regardless if they abuse the pardon power as they are thinking. >> hopefully, elie, there will be a skyfall on this entire crime family and another day for them to die. paul, so we have a story in florida. a lawyer actually encouraging people to basically commit voter fraud, and he's telling people, hey, vote once, twice, three time as lady in georgia. what will be the requirement, or what would it take, again, for the bar in florida to say, hey, look. you should lose your law license, or georgia, say, hey, look if you step foot in this state, you will get arrested? are we seeing sort of a move at
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the state level to say, look, some of these it cranks are coming forward saying these things publicly, i don't care if you say it's a joke or free speech, this is a violation of your oath as sort of a purveyor and someone responsible for the law? >> so this week trump's lawyers lost in all six states where trump was contesting the vote. in arizona, georgia, michigan, minnesota, nevada, wisconsin. the election results can certified. to your point, jason. the remarkable thing is how these judges are throwing shade at trump's legal team. a conservative justice on the wisconsin supreme court said the weakest case he had ever seen and trump's lawyers got there way would do indelible damage to every future election. as far as the judiciary is concerned, the election is game over, it's done, and joe biden is the president-elect. and, again if we're thinking
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about bad lawyers you have to go right back to rudy guiliani. we saw in that earlier clip you showed him telling that witness to, be quiet. shut up. you're making a fool of yourself. if giuliani, he's not an expert on election law, not really an expert in any kind of law but knows about making a fool of himself. so if he's telling another witness to shut up, because you're making a fool of yourself, you're best to shut up. >> yes. really did sort of trumpet to her that was a problem. tiffany, i want to close on this. you made a really, really good point about trump rushing through all of these executions primarily of black and brown people heading out of office. look ahead to president-elect joe biden and soon to be vice president kamala harris. do you think this new administration will make it even more difficult for states to execute people or sort of say, status quo by trying to decriminalize certain acts to
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lead to potential death penalty charges? >> i do, jason. i really do. look at 9 electorate who helped put them in the white house and they're going to be facing an increasingly progressive congress, one of the most diverse congressing we've ever seen in session as it is increasingly so. i can't imagine this is something they would allow. one of the flaws in the first step act people think we passed the first step act. glad we got rid of that racial prab we had in this country. ah, the first step act is called that because a second and third step act needs to happen and a lot of kwixdss, pipelines sendisend ing black and brown people to prison happen apartment the state and local government. they have to address this it's a the federal level but people should keep in mind a lot happens at the state level. those state level elections are just as important. >> thank you. a really, really key point. for some reason tiffany will be back on the show later. for now, thank you, elie and joyce and paul.
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more "am joy" after the break.
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could the new supreme court spell the end of affirmative action? politico reports this week the group students for fair admissions is mounting a barrage of lawsuits they're okay with losing. if it ultimately gets them from nont of a newly symptomatic supreme court with a ban on college admissions with race. joining me, jelani cobb staff writer at "the new yorker" and associate professor at howard university and an author, director of the educational opportunities project at the lawyers committee for civil rights and economic justice program manager for the advocacy group chinese for affirm sieati action. thank you all for joining me this morning.
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what actually is happening legally? you're involved in the battles against affirmative action now. what is the goal of this group and what have you been doing to try to stop them from their ven eventual goal getting to the supreme court? >> sure. this has been a long effort by ed balun, who is a anti-diversity race borderline racist failing to acknowledge many of the systemic policies that have been in place working against students of color, and once you have students of color accessing higher education, it's over the years, through affirmative action, which has already been held legal by the courts for 40-plus years, and now he's filed attacks against harvard, attacks against unc chapel hill, against ut austin trying to intervene in yale and his goal ultimately is to try
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and hope that the supreme court somehow just four years after they had ruled that affirmative action is still legal that they'll throw it out and erase race entirely from the system especially going to harm students of color, among other students, who also benefit from affirmative action. >> sally, so for a long time, if we think about the affirmative action battles that started in the '80s and 't90 its, attempts to make this a model minority versus blacks thing. hurts asians and arab-americans, just to help ungrateful black people and hispanic people. your organization is fighting against that stereotype. why do you find there's so much support in the asian-american committee for affirmative action and what battles have you taken on to make sure those forces have not been successful? >> yeah. thank you so much, first, for
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having me this morning. from california, excited to be on this panel with everyone. so i mean, first off, i really want to sort of get the facts straight. that overall for asian-americans i think the 2020 asian-american voter survey, 70% of asian-americans supported affirmative action and only 16% opposed it. i highlight first sort of the public narrative sometimes tries to pit asian-americans and pacific islanders against each other and as a wedge against black and latino students, but i would like to highlight first off, this is a small but vocal minority. and you know, in terms of what chinese affirmative action is working on, we filed the, were a part of emeka's brief for the harvard lawsuit and i was one of eight students and alumni who
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testified in support of affirmative action to really refute, speak out against, this idea that asian-americans don't benefit from affirmative action. when the truth is, that we really do. anecdotally for myself, i talked about how i grew up translating and advocating on behalf of my family who were working-class monolingual chinese immigrants. my dad a cook, my mom cook tear of me and my three siblings. i talked how that shaped who i am. part of my aspirations and strengths. for communities like mine, indications are huge. complex and diverse stories within asia america that have to be told and can't be separated by impacts of racism in this country particularly under covid. we do a lot of work to dispel the myths that asian-americans don't benefit from familytive
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action when in fact we really, really do and need policies like these just like many students of color that benefit as well. >> i'm glad. one of the important things, i think all too often in these discussions, again, affirmative action is viewed as this thing as a wedge issue as opposed to necessary policy addressing racism that still exists. that in mind, dr. carter, in california voted yet again to not repeal anti-affirmative action policy by an even larger margin than the proclamation that passed 10, 12 years ago. why is the most diverse state in america is continually hostile against affirmative action in the face of an increasing diverse state where educational opportunities are being denied because of systematic racism? >> data speaks for itself. uc-berkeley did not recover after their black and latino
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populations passed this. you have a conversation around wins and losses, quite frankly. when people talk about affirmative action they frame it, bonus if you're black and latino and asian or white pay a penalty. it looks like that language is paying off, because we know that in order for this, or if this proposition were passed there might likely be changes to what those enrollment numbers look like on these campuses particularly some of the most competitive campuses and framed as a deficit model how we do college admissions. being admitted, blacks and la teens won't perform well and taking something away from whites and asians who are deserving. we know merit is always a very nebulous, fluid thing. in california i think what you saw, again, was people saying, i may lose something. so let me just vote against it, just in case, but they're not also thinking about the longer gain. you might talk about college
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admissions today but also talking about hiring practices and employment tomorrow. it hasn't been shown that these sort of more elite university interests, especially for asian students, lead to more professional growth in managerial and other positions. >> and this goes along with the same idea. forgive me. i should call you dr. cobb. after dr. carter. one of the other things i'm seeing so strange about the attacks on affirmative action now, even though we see increasingly diverse classrooms, right? all the staffs, the stat right here. classrooms are getting more and more diverse every year and over half of the population in this country under the age of 16 is not white anymore. so historically, why are these people fighting against the new majority in this country? is it just the last-ditch battle of white supremacy or do they really think they can block majority of americans from having equal access to college over the next 15, 20 years?
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>> that's the point. to block diversifying the nation and retain a kind of bantu stand of cig in the way it's always been. in terms of language and clarity, we need to be afraid. the question is not whether race will be taken into account and admissions but whether or not we'll be honest about race being taken into account at admissions's either you look at this at point of admission or all the statistical problts aal know stack up in correlation to race making it less likely to be competitive in these instances in the first place and i appreciate ms. chen talking about this personally. because, look. i have a ph.d. in american history from rutgers university and very proud of it and the son of a man with a third grade education because the jim crow school system isn't georgia would not let my father go any further than that. it is absurd to presume as that
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you can have generations of people that thvis in their family, not the happenstance ors so yore economic impedation but actual restrictions on people to gain education and then say, we're playing on an even playing ground. this is a level playing field. so what they really want, never went back and said, let's look at the university of georgia for all of those years that the black students weren't allowed to be there, weren't allowed to compete and ask ourselves whether or not those white students would have won those positions at the university if they had to compete on even keel with the black students? that's not the question we ask. so we pretend merit begins right, yesterday. begins this morning. there's no history that's relevant to this, or pertinent to this at all. that's really what's at stake here. >> and brining up a really good point about the narrow pathway to success. always pointed out about 20% of
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u.s. astronauts have been african-american. only 3% of ph.d.s in america are african-americans. almost more likely to get shot in the space than finish and get a terminal degree. that says something about systematic racism. that in mind, david, if we get to this, if -- if -- these affirmative action cases actually get to the supreme court, what do you think with the current makeup of the court is the likelihood they will say, race cannot be considered at all and put the final nail in the coffin of any affirmative action policy in america? >> one of the basic 101 things you learn in law school is what precedent means. when you have a strong legal pr precedent that has been established for several years it takes significant changed circumstances to uproot that precedent. so right now just eight years ago in the one case that was being decided, the first round
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of the litigation against ut austin deciding whether or not race should still be considered. had you justice roberts and justice alito both join in an opinion that said, yes, the consideration of race and racial diversity is still a compelling interest for universities to pursue if unable to do it through other means. nothing has changed since then. so if precedent means something at the very least you should have an affirmation by majority of the court that will uphold affirmative action programs across the country. that's just what has to happen and what should happen. now, whether or not they reverse themselves or they just look at the particular facts in fronts of them and suggest that rather than overrule affirmative action they underrule affirmative action it would definitely send, not send that same message that
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they're hoping to erase race from the entire admissions process. we've represented -- >> got to say we're running up on a hard break. got to say this -- in other words, your work is necessary, because we can't trust this court. i want to thank you all. coming up, introducing you to an up and coming tv talent. he's an author named joe. you might have heard of this guy. ...this one's for you. you inspired us to make your humira experience even better... with humira citrate-free. it has the same effectiveness you know and trust, but we removed the citrate buffers, there's less liquid, and a thinner needle... with less pain immediately following injection. ask your doctor about humira citrate-free. and you can use your co-pay card to pay as little as $5 a month. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections,... ...including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened,... have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,...
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i need the help and the prayers of every one of you. i ask for your encouragement and for your support. the tasks we face are difficult. we can accomplish them only if we work together. each period of our national history has had its special
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challenges. those that confront us now are as momentous as any in the past. today marks the beginning, not only of a new administration, but of a period that will be eventful, perhaps decisive, for us and for the world. president harry truman. the nation in turmoil as it fought to contain communism and recover from two world wars. less than a century later, vice president joe biden must do the same during challenges times. politically, economically and racially divided during a global pandemic. joining me to discuss is joe scarborough, host of "morning joe" and author of new book "saving freedom: truman, the cold war, and the fight for kevin civilization." good morning, joe, how are you? >> doing great. how are you? >> fantastic. i enjoyed the book.
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reading it all week, enjoyed the book. always liked the fact that truman is the guy who had the sign on his desk saying "the buck stops here" somebody who took responsibility. what can joe biden learn from the truman presidency as he's 40 days away from stepping into the white house? >> let's be hopeful that joe biden will be able to work with republicans the way that harry truman was able to work with republicans in 1947 after he found out that the british were exhausted and could no longer contain stalin. for republicans in 1947 to break out of a long history of isolationism, isolationism that actually led to rereject woodrow wilson's pleas to join the league of nations and eventually lead to hitler's rise in 1942. quite a stretch. truman was able to do that
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engaging arthur and havenberg early on. a cree chature of the senate ju like joe biden is a creature of the senate. he had to get from vannenberg even mr. republican robert taft to be able to engage stalin, and pass the truman doctrine. the marshal plan. and nato. but obviously, jason, that's going to be a lot more difficult in 2020, even though i'm an optimist in 2021 for joe biden. when we're seeing in "the washington post" this morning that a large segment of the republican party appears to have moved into a post-democracy phase, where only 25 republicans on capitol hill will acknowledge joe biden's victory, despite the fact all of the votes have been counted, and those votes have been certified, and still, only
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25 republicans. willing to accept the election of joe biden. it is staggering. >> and, joe, we also want to point out, more foreign leaders have come forward and acknowledged that joe biden is the incoming president than members of the opposition party in the united states. one of the other interesting things in your book as you talk about sort of the role and power of the united states funding and supporting nations to stop and basically contain communism. a whole, several sections, several chapters where you talk about greece. interesting about this, to me, joe, is reminds me of the united states right now. with the money we've put into, you know, battles in syria and money we put into saudi arabia. all of these countries trying to fight al qaeda or trying to fight islamic radical terrorism but sometimes with mixed results. what is the lesson? greece was a relative success but i can't say that's happening
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in america right now. >> right. no. there needs to be a focus. america's foreign policy needs to be more focused than it's been over the past 20 years. the first 20 years of this century. and truman was focused, and made sure that when he sent his people on capitol hill, he told republicans at issue, greece and turkey. you actually had arthur vandenberg lecture dean atkinson saying it needed to be more of a global view, a global approach to stopping soviet communism wherever it spread. of course, the excesses of following the truman doctrine led eventually to the horrors of vietnam. ultimately, over the course of nine presidencies, the truman do doctri doctrine, international oh plan led to the collapse of surn aov
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union and rise of the american century, but applied too rigidly, too ideologically, obviously americans paid in a great way, and we have to have a more focused foreign policy moving forward. i think that starts by us patching up friendships with our nato allies. and others across the globe who are, who are democratically supportive of movements inside their own country. >> and international agreements like the iran deal, and the paris climate agreement, and those are important ways of, you know, joe biden can learn from previous presidents how to engage. i want to take this also to sort of truman the man and truman the policy person at home. you have a chapter talking about how personnel is policy. right now there are lots of changes, lots of sort of chattering voices saying, hey, joe biden. you need to have a more diverse cabinet. joe biden, not going far enough. truman was in a somewhat similar situation.
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desegregated armed forces. gets credit for that, but a personal level, basically a racist and even for that time. what do you think joe biden will need to do to make sure he has a cabinet that not only reflects the people who put him in office but also reflects the actual changes global majority and the changing american majority that wants to be at the wheels of power going forward? >> joe biden understands better than anybody that he got elected not because of white progressives. let me be very blunt. he got elected because of black voters. i've said it time and again. the white progressives had their say in iowa. white progressives had their say in new hampshire. and he got routed. then when everybody was saying that the election was over, black women in south carolina said, hold my beer. and they went to vote, and black voters across the deep south went to vote. we saw the same thing in the general election.
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joe biden knows. he owes the democratic nomination to black voters and he certainly, he was awake through the middle of the night wondering what was going to happen in milwaukee county. what was going to happen in wayne county, happen in philadelphia. what was going to happen in atlanta. and what happened was, black voters came out and made the difference. when black voters united with let's say in georgia, white voters and the suburbs of atlanta, it made all the difference in the world. so joe biden owes not only his presidency to black voters he owes his nomination, his political survival, to people like jim clyburn and voter across the south and across the nation. so he needs to have a cabinet that reflects the changing demographics of america and i can't believe he doesn't know that butter than anybody else. >> hopefully he will read that chapter in your book and
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recognize that even if you've made mistakes in the past as joe biden has, that you can still end up making a difference going forward. i want to say this, joe, quickly. if joe biden were to read this book, if you could get it in his hand stepping into the white house it's on his mantel, he and jill are going through a every night. what's the lesson to learn from it? twonch >> two lessons. here was harry truman a man who graduated from spaulding commercial college in kansas city, mocked, ridiculed, his entire life, considered a simpleton, was called by the "new york times" was called a rube. he surrounded himself with the smartest people in washington. the wise men in washington of the day. asked for their advice. listened. did not assume he was the smart effort man in the room and unlike donald trump and past presidents he actually took their advice. that would be one thing. the second thing, i would say
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is, and it's unpopular right now, but it would be to constantly be in touch, like harry truman was, with the other side. yes, mitch mcconnell's going to be very difficult to deal with. but will mitt romney? maybe mitt romney. maybe susan collins. maybe lissa murkowski will continue to forge alliances with people like joe manchin and the new senator from arizona, mark kelly. christian cinema. i think a chance for bipartisan compromise and, of course, once you get that, you'll have people on the left and people on the right trying to pull that -- you know, those compromised bills as far as they can go. and it's up to joe biden to understand how far he can take it in his direction. politics is the art of the possible, and i am optimistic that there is a possibility of
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some bipartisanship over the next two years, and i'd like him to read the chapters where truman figured how to do that without sacrificing his values. >> joe, you are may more optimistic than me about joe biden's chances, but i can't wait. >> can i say, way more optimistic than my wife, who tells me every day that i'm pollyannish. >> skeptical, at least. thank you so much, joe for coming on this morning. i encourage everybody to get the book. a great, great book. more "am joy" after the break.
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i need to say, jason, you a such a copycat. i guessed host, all of a sudden you're guest hosting, like, maybe i should go out and get my ph.d. to remind everybody about it every 30 seconds to have a ph.d. in political science. fine. i will be live trolling, sorry, live tweeting and seriously, congratulations my friend. >> one of my favorite spars partners a "game of thrones" superfan and a new throne of her own. tiffany cross coming to you live every saturday in this same time slot starting next week. our friend jonathan capehart hosting his own program on sundays and i'll talk to him corporal. tiffany is back with me for a preview of her new show, how are you this morning? >> i'm so excited, jason, and you know that i've been watching
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you host and do you such an amazing job. and it really feels like, i think one of the best things about being on-screen with you, seriously if there's a camera there or not you get the same thing. you and i meet for breakfast sometimes and i ask you one question about the electoral college, talk about an hour. that happens at brunch or on-camera all the time. so i really love our conversations and i think that level of authenticity matters so much to viewers right now. so don't get too used to having your saturdays free. you'll be on with me a lot. >> my plan, sleep in, and tiffany now said that's not going to happen. >> not going to happen. >> this will be the one time i'm just going to monologue and say something nice. it does not -- i cannot adequately describe. i think the public needs to understand this, how important it is that your voice is going to be here on a regular basis. that you will join the pantheon of others as a black woman who
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will be speaking about our issues of importance that there's a 9-year-old and a 12-year-old and 13-year-old or 14 yard girl watching you on the screen every day and you will be their role model the way "murphy brown" was maybe 15, 20 years ago to you. i want to say that up front, looking forward to this. proud of you, i am impressed. that's the last nice thing i will say and so we'll begin with what's going to happen on this new "tiffany cross show." what they get from you no that you're rounning a whole show. >> first, i appreciate that, jason. every time someone says other black and brown girls will look at me knowing they can do this, too, i have to choke back tears i refuse to cry on tv, but that moves me the most. obviously different. joy built up an amazing audience with her platform.
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i wouldn't be here without her. definitely hats off and kudos and if i were going to have a kid i would name the kid joy. boy or girl. but, in the show, it is going to be different. people are getting joy five nights a week. when they tune in on saturday, a different experiency. fully me and the vision i create with the team. you and i talked a lot, i think on a lot of cable television it's haven't insular as if everybody understand the minutia of government. that's not true. some don't know what the dni does or don't know what the game of eight means. that's part of journalism. stop and explain it. i want this show to be accessible for the corporate climber with the corner office on wall street and as well as the dude who's check cashing people at the bank account on the corner. we know those people. they're people in our family,
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people who are friends and i want were everyone to feel welcome at this table and understand we're going to bring people along. one of the ways w s we'll do it segment called "make it make sense." you and i talk about this. we want view toergs feel a part of the show and viewers can send videos and ask their hot, burning political questions. i will answer them or sometimes other people will answer them. subject matter. very much included. also we'll do something, "who got next," on the court on at the table. just want, who got next? highlighting young people. don't necessarily have to be young but trailblazers across the country doing something innovative. could be around politics or creating the greater good of society. they'll be lots of awesome segments including what's trending's reacting in realtime what's trending on twitter every time i host. particularly when you and i are
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on a lot of chatter on twitter. so, yeah. i'll have a panel where we can act in realtime to those things, react. above all our franchise segment they will get not only a black face but authentic black face understanding our collective power comes from the unity we have with the new american electorate, rising majority of america and you well know kids under the age of 18 are majority african-american, hispanic, latinos, asian-american, specific islanders, native americans, alaska native and all of those people including traditional cable news viewers and old friends we've seen table up space on cable network will have a seat at the table because we have to figure how to move forward and hodding ttolding th biden/harris administration accountable, it's the american people that put them there. >> this not just about
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performing and having a black face on-screen. you want to bring forward issues heretofore ignored. issues dealing with health care. granular things black people deal with on a regular basis. tiffany cross will talk about herself and her own story. >> not true. >> she's also really good at bringing other people's stories to the table. i think that's important. tiff, one thing, one franchise in particular, that's a sports reference, i know you don't do sport ball. one franchise in particular you want people to really, really get excited about, which are these three? talked you three, which is the one you want to go viral? >> definitely "make it make sense." flood the inbox, tell your students to submit questions, jason. i think when people understand government better it gives them a better sense of their own agency and role in the american body of politics.
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we have over 250 million people i think who are of voting age, and when you look at how many people voted, it was certainly a record turnout but we can do better. when people understand this political landscape and understand the role they have, they must understand you have to become a part of the system even if you want to disrupt it, even if you want to reimagine it in a way that serves you. that's the segment i hope goes viral and hope to hear from a lot of people. young people can contribute questions, even older people. just so people don't feel shame about their questions i will always share every week some i don't know and do it today. because you told me you were the person to tell me when i said, why can't the nfl handle the coronavirus like the nba? you told me that there are over 50 people on a football team. i did not know that. i had no clue. i thought it was like what? really? i thought like 15, 20 people? that's how many can be on the field. so --
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>> no. >> that's definitely something i want and i want to say my favorite subject is not talking about me. my favorite sub is trolling you. but that's fair. i still love you, my friend. i definitely want you to help me make it make sense to go viral and encourage all the people. look at all of these that pictures. you kept that $20. you owe me. >> remember, we had that on set. i kept that. >> that's right, that's right! that's right. and you know what? another thing we're going to do, can i say quickly, after the show is over, i'm going to do something called crosstalk on the instagram. we'll go to the gram and go live and jason, don't make plans after 12:00 because you are going to be one of the main people i'm going lively. used to do that sometimes, go to brunch after the show. you would drive five miles an hour and i would be complaining. i don't even think jason is pressing the gas, you guys. please! we'll do that again after the show.
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>> i hope y'all remember the viral video told the limo to leave without me and i had to chase her in a car. thank you very much, tiffany cross, anyway. but we love you. i'm so proud of you. can't wait to see the show next week. >> thank you. >> hey, my pleasure. that's our show for today. more "am joy" tomorrow at 10:00 eastern. for now, stay tuned for alex smith at 2:00 p.m. talk to legendary doonesbury cartoonist garry trudeau. u. mom, why do we always come here for the holidays? how did you find great-grandma's recipe? we're related to them? we're portuguese? i thought we were hungarian? grandpa, can you tell me the story again? behind every question is a story waiting to be discovered. behind every question alice loves the scent of gain so much,
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a very good day to you from nbc headquarters of msnbc here on the east. just an noon, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome. i'm alex witt. we begin with the coronavirus pushing this nation to its breaking point. this hour more than 14.4 million cases and nearly 280,000 of us lost lives in the united states. after a devastating week with record numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths, new projections show it is only going to get worse. over on capitol hill, the clock is ticking for congress to pass another round of coronavirus relief before the year's end. house speaker nancy pelosi says there is momentum to reach a deal after months of deadlock. voicing her support for a $908 billion bipartisan proposal. this morning senator bernie sanders told my colleague ali
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velshi why he does not support that legislation. >> at the very least what we should be doing is continuing that $1,200 payment to every working-class adult in this country, plus $500 for their children. in addition to that, i worry very much that in this bill being put together right now, there is legal immunity for corporations who have been irresponsible in protecting their workers. so the fact that we are not addressing the economic crisis of tens of millions of people in this bill and then giving large corporations card lablank tellse this bill should not be passed. >> and silent on the pandemic, the president, heading to georgia to rally voters ahead of the senate runoffs there. only one month away now. this will be trump's first


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