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good morning. it is sunday, january 10th. i'm ali velshi. we're ten days away from a presidential transition that will welcome joe biden as the next commander in chief of the united states. but following wednesday's historic siege of the capitol, outgoing president donald j. trump is in serious doubt of completing the final days of his term due to his instance gags. we'll speak with four capitol hill lawmakers and get their take on the dangers surrounding trump's final days in office. this comes as democratic members of the house of representatives are planning to introduce legislation urging the impeachment of donald trump tomorrow morning. this with the tally between the house and senate, nearly 250 lawmakers have now called for president trump's removal from office via impeachment or the 25th amendment.
representative adam kinzinger is the soul house republican demanding trump's removal. look at all these names. republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska has called for trump's resignation. on saturday new york congressman hakeem jeffries echoed the thoughts and sentiments of many in the democratic party on trump's removal. >> donald trump must be removed from office immediately. he should be impeached, convicted, and thrown out of 1600 pennsylvania avenue and forever banished to the dust bin of history. every second, every minute, every day that donald trump remains in office presents a clear and present danger to the health, safety and well-being of the american people and our democracy. >> this morning a "new york times" headline reading for trump and the nation, a final
test of accountability. the article goes on to say barely 11 months after president trump was acquitted in a momentous senate trial, the nation now confronts the possibility of yet another impeachment battle in the twilight of his presidency. a final showdown that will test the boundaries of politics, accountability and the constitution. no president has ever been impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors twice. well, not everyone on both sides of the aisle is getting behind the effort to ouster trump from office with a week and a half remaining in his term. at least some agree on his level of culpability. po pat toomey said donald trump has committed impeachable offenses by inciting a demonstration at the u.s. capitol. hard to imagine it can get any hotter for president trump facing a second impeachment but this is a self-proclaimed demagogue who can do no wrong in his own eyes. nbc news has confirmed a "washington post" report that
trump burned georgia's lead investigator to push fraud, telling him to finding the fraud and they would be a national hero for doing so. the december call is the latest effort of trump to overturn the election. the white house has declined nbc news' requests for comments. also something likely to stick in donald trump's craw, word that his right-hand man, vice president mike pence, has accepted joe biden's invitation to attending the presidential inauguration on january 20th. the one that trump told anyone who cared to listen that he wouldn't be attending. the latest nbc news reporting about the splitting of the bromance between trump and pence, while the vice president and his family were in a bunker in the capitol, the president did not reach out to check on his safety nor did he condemn those who said the vp should be executed, said sources familiar with the matter. video shows rioters shouting
"hang pence." we have audio of that. listen to this. >> hang mike pence, hang mike pence, hang mike pence, hang mike pence. >> hang mike pence. certainly enough to change your relationship in my opinion. according to our nbc white house team trump has not contacted his vp at all since wednesday's tumultuous events. joining me is alexi mccammon. that's kind of fascinating. i'm all into loyalty and getting along with people you work with, but they said "hang mike pence." they had a gallows and it looked real, to hang someone. donald trump has told his supporters that he's disappointed in mike pence. he apparently didn't reach out to mike pence that day when he was potentially in danger. and apparently they haven't talked since. >> yeah. i mean i've said this before and i'll say it again. president trump came into his term in office saying i alone can fix it and he's leaving
office increasingly on an island by himself. obviously he has this mob of supporters who tried to siege the capitol on wednesday but he's leaving everyone behind as he's leaving office and that's including, as you mentioned, his vice president, mike pence. that audio that you played, ali, is so remarkably disturbing not just for politics and the political polarization but for the country. we shouldn't have to witness something like this and move on. we shouldn't have to have lawmakers openly arguing with each other on the floor over what's going on, who's lying and who's not. this is a remarkable time for the country, and president trump is, as your team has reported, not reaching out to the vice president after this. we're seeing how pro trump lawyers who are inciting violence against the vice president on social media website parler are getting their posts removed because they're still doing this. it's really a remarkable time. >> so why is it partisan at this point? there's -- i'm sure with a number of my viewers there's no love lost between them and mike
pence but we don't go around suggesting we're hanging politicians with whom we disagree. you would think that that should bring everybody together. as i just put up that list of people supporting the idea of impeachment and removal from office, there's one republican on that list. you add lisa murkowski and mitt romney and you add pat toomey and you add ben sasse. but we're not looking -- there's a lot of republicans missing from the condemnation of the violence, the attack on democracy and the threat to hang mike pence. >> this has become the republican party under president donald trump. he has left his mark on the party and changed the party fundamentally by settling personal scores and allowing that to be the way that he governs. the republican party has coalesced around donald trump over these last four years after a number of controversial things that he has done. while democrats are unified in their calls, nearly unified in their calls to impeach and remove him from office because of this latest situation, republicans are not in that situation because of the
politics that they have subscribed to under donald trump over these last four years. ali, what is really fascinating is thinking about whether and how the party will split into these trump loyalists like senator josh hawley who has an eye toward running for president in 2024 and others like senator tom cotton who were previously trump loyalists and are now trying to distance themselves in various ways. >> so then the outcome of the impeachment matters, because while it's not automatic that if convicted of impeachment -- by the way, it's not even -- the numbers have to be high. it's two-thirds of the senate. it's not automatic that he doesn't run for office again. they are talking about a resolution that would state that. in other words, that if donald trump is impeached, that he can't run for office again, and that would affect some of the calculus of some of these republicans if donald trump is out of the way at least as a candidate, it doesn't mean that he's out of the way as a political power. >> yeah. i hate to say this, it's a remarkable time, but that's really what it feels like. that's totally going to change
the calculus as republicans as i just mentioned who have an eye toward 2024 and running are considering whether and how they have to continue to be tethered to the politics of donald trump even when he is no longer president. that's something that republicans were already anticipating before all this happened, right? president trump as a citizen after he leaves office controlling the politics of the republican party. but if he is barred from running for office again in 2024, that will completely change the dynamics, that will change who runs, that will change the type of candidate that is most attractive to the republican party base in 2024. and i think it's going to be really fascinating story to watch. >> alexi, good to see you as always. alexi mccammond is a reporter at axios. i want to welcome senator gary peters of michigan, the ranking member of the homeland security committee. senator, good to see you again. it's kind of amazing that this is the second time you and i have spoken in a couple of months about something that looked like a terrorist attack
or an insurrection or an attack against democracy because it happened in your state when a bunch of people decided to possibly kidnap your governor and there was some talk that they were thinking of taking the statehouse and holding some kind of kangaroo trial and issuing some sort of punishment. it sounded outlandish then and now it has come to the nationest capital. >> you're absolutely
right. it really is indicative of a very disturbing trend that we're seeing in this country. one of your previous guests was talking about it. that's the continued rise of domestic terrorism, white supremacists and white nationalism that is very real. i've been pressing this issue for some time as the ranking member of homeland security, and have not been able to get traction with the trump administration that simply will not do what they need to do to keep us safe and to keep the homeland safe against this rise of domestic terrorism. i am happy to say i will be the
incoming chair of homeland security and we will have a new administration on january 20th. i'm confident that president biden will focus on this very disturbing trend and this very dangerous trend to our country and to our democracy. >> now, in fact that's ten days away. in normal parlance we'd say in ten days you're going to be the chair of that thing and that's going to be interesting, except stuff will be happening in the middle of that ten days including a move to impeach the president. do you support the impeachment of donald trump? >> well, i support the 25th amendment being invoked. i said that immediately, that we have to do it very quickly and it's not just, as you know, not just folks in the legislature. you've got conservative groups like the national association of manufacturers, conservative group of business people that think that the danger that he presents is extensive and that he is clearly unfit for public office. we even have the former secretary of homeland security, secretary kelly, who was the chief of staff to the president
saying if he was still in the cabinet, he would be pushing for the 25th amendment. we do need to take action. we need to make sure we hold the president accountable. we also have to hold him accountable for the future. we have to send a strong signal, as the american people, that the type of behavior we have seen from this president, particularly in the last few weeks as he continues to put out conspiracy theories and to undermine the vote in this country by having false narratives that is stoking anger with people, that that will never be tolerated by an american president ever. we've not seen this in the past, we cannot see it in the future and it is incumbent on us to make sure we're very aggressive in making that statement. >> so part of the issue is -- we've got it at the bottom of the screen right now. sources close to vice president pence say that using the 25th amendment is impractical. and that two cabinet members who spoke out most strongly against donald trump have now left, elaine chao and betsy devos.
at some point it doesn't look like the 25th amendment is likely to happen. now if we get to the point that the house votes on impeachment and it goes to the senate, what do you do then? >> well, we're going to have to play that out. i will have the same comments that i had before when we had an impeachment that as a member of the senate i will
part of the jury that will take that case should the house decide to actually move forward with impeachment. there's no question, the actions of the president are reprehensible. i have been saying this since after the election that the comments that the president is making -- and let's be clear. nearly all republican elected officials have also been right behind the president making these false claims, demonstrably clear. i have said over and over again, this is dangerous. this is incredibly dangerous and irresponsible for our country. and now it's not theoretical. we have seen the danger clear, as those, that mob attacked violently the citadel of our
democracy in the united states capital. it is very clear. this is behavior that you would never, ever expect from the president of the united states to tweet out to his supporters and say come to the capitol, it's going to be wild. you need to fight. this is -- this is unacceptable behavior and we definitely have to make sure that future presidents understand that this will never be tolerated in this country. >> senator peters, good to see you again. thank you for joining us this morning. senator gary peters of michigan. he's going to be in charge of the homeland security and governmental affairs committees. this past week has been a whirlwind of news. many of us have probably forgotten that days before he incited an insurrection, donald trump performed another anti-democratic act. he called the georgia secretary of state pressuring him to flip the election results. remember when trump said i just want to find 11,780 votes? feels like months ago, right? it was one week ago today that we learned of that. the event prompted my next guest
to begin drawing up articles of impeachment which she had to drastically update after yesterday's events. joining me is ilhan omar of minnesota, a midwestern regional whip for the democratic caucus. welcome to the show, thank you for being with us. you were quite convinced about the validity of impeaching donald trump prior to this based on what is now old news that happened a week ago. what has happened now? how have things changed for you given what happened on wednesday? >> yeah. i mean it was clear that there was an abuse of power and we were in the process of writing up, drafting the articles of impeachment. as the capitol was under siege by a mob that was incited by the president and our colleagues both in the senate and in the house, i decided to use that time to update the articles of
impeachment and include the incitement of the coup that we've all experienced. >> and what do you think now takes precedence? because it might be that in the minds of americans, what happened in georgia was remarkable and now we've seen there's a second call and it wouldn't surprise me if we end up about more calls where the president was pressuring people, in part because he's so open about it even when it's not recorded, but this seems more serious, the leading of this insurrection and this coup attempt that he has been at the head of seems to be something that fundamentally goes to the visceral part of our view of what a democracy is. >> precisely. i mean the president has chosen to send a mob to take the capitol by force, to stop the fundamental process of our democracy, which was to certify election results.
this is a very dangerous man. i've said it over and over again. we cannot afford to really see this man in office any longer. it is indicative of us to fulfill our oath of office and remove this president. the articles of impeachment that we've drawn up that has tremendous support really gets to the heart of why this president needs to be removed. i know that a lot of my colleagues are thinking about whether this is practical. they're thinking about whether it is realistic if we have any time left to be able to do this, how much it's going to impact if this is sent to the senate doing the inaugural period of the new president. but the reality is that the practicality or the realisticness of this process should not stop us from moving forward. this is what we have to do in order to protect our democracy, our republic, and send a clear
message that actions have consequences. i mean we have someone who is working on overthrowing a government. our capitol was under siege. i don't know what could be more important than us standing up for our democracy and our republic. >> so i think that the point you make about the practicality or impractical ka impracticality we have to put aside. ken buck has signs a letter asking -- written to joe biden asking him to not support an impeachment. he says nor does the constitution envision impeaching a president without an adequate investigation and congressional hearings. a presidential impeachment should not occur in the heat of the moment but rather after great deliberation. here's the interesting part. in the spirit of healing and fidelity to our constitution, we ask that you formally request that speaker nancy pelosi discontinue her efforts to
impeach president donald j. trump a second time. putting aside the history of this thing, that impeachment happens by congress, but in the spirit of healing and fidelity to our constitution, this idea that impeachment would be divisive in the country right now, your response? >> it's a shameful thing for them to even suggest that we witness a crime being committed against our country and because we want unity and healing we should decide not to prosecute someone for that crime. i mean i can't even tell you just how much of a mockery that makes of our democratic institutions, of our constitution, of the oath of office that we have taken. i am so ashamed to serve with these people who truly have neglected their oath of office. i can't begin to tell you how angry and frustrated it makes me.
and we're not even getting to the process of dealing with what has taken place on wednesday. this is something that has gone on far too long. and i want my colleagues to be shaken and to understand that we have taken an oath of office to protect the constitution and this country from enemies, domestic and this is what our country is faced with at the moment. >> democratic congresswoman ilhan omar of minnesota, thank you for joining us this morning. ten days left of donald trump's presidency. meaning there are ten days left for the president to sow even more mayhem. we have more on what this week's events in d.c. mean for the political landscape here and abroad. plus we'll hear from two more lawmakers looking to stop trump in his tracks and preserve american democracy. p in his tracks and preserve american democracy please.
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discussed invoking the 25th amendment rendering him unfit to perform his duties. hundreds of lawmakers on both sides of the aisle want to impeach him for a second time and now more potential obstruction of justice. remember that phone call trump made to georgia's secretary of state begging him to find 11,780 votes? well, there's more. nbc news has now confirmed reporting that trump made another call to georgia elections officials pressuring one to, quote, find the fraud. the call was made in december to the state's lead elections investigator. the white house has declined nbc news' request for a comment, but it has been confirmed by the secretary of state's office. legal experts say trump's attempt to intervene in an active elections investigation should amounting to obstruction. however, at this point it's trump's incitement of a violent riot at the u.s. capitol that is more likely to get his canned from his job. momentum to impeach trump for a second time is building. some are saying articles of impeachment could be ready as early as this week. ted lieu, jamie raskin and david
cicilline have their own document. the article has 180 co-sponsors and they plan to introduce it to the house tomorrow. joining me now is democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal of washington, member of the house judiciary committee and is a sponsor of those articles of impeachment. congresswoman, good to see you again. thank you for joining us. can you tell us where things stand? are there different groups of people with different articles of impeachment that are going t come together as one? how is this working? >> at the end of the day, the house democratic caucus will make a unified decision to move forward with one set of articles of impeachment. i believe that the articles that i have signed onto are very narrowly crafted. they are focused on incitement of insurrection. that is the very clear thing that we can bring this impeachment resolution to the house floor as a privileged resolution which means that it bypasses our committee of
jurisdiction, the judiciary committee, goes straight to the floor, has an hour of debate and can be passed hopefully in a bipartisan way because, again, the issue here, ali, is that we need to remove the president of the united states for the safety and the security of our country. every day that he is there, he still has access to the military codes. he still has -- to the nuclear codes. he still has complete oversight of law enforcement and all intelligence. don't forget that we are hearing some reports that there was no intelligence about what was happening, and we know that to be absolutely false. the fact is that probably intelligence was withheld. the national guard who depend on the white house to agree to our request to activate the national guard, we believe that they stood in the way of the activation of the national guard. there were no barriers around the capitol. and all the time leading up to and on january 6th, the president was inciting these
insurrectionists to overtake the capitol and even demand to hang vice president pence and to go after nancy pelosi and other leaders. so i think this is the most serious moment in our history. and anybody who is calling for us to simply heal and unify has to understand that this was a domestic terrorist attack, and we have known for some time that this -- the biggest threat to national security in the united states is domestic terrorism. that's what chris wray told us, the director of the fbi told us on the judiciary committee last year, early last year. donald trump has to go. >> let's talk about the very personal part of this threat. i was talking to congresswoman omar earlier and you, both of you immigrant women of color in a congress where you had just heard from people that this rallying group that contained white nationalists and white
supremacists and proud boys had broken into the capitol. that had to have a unique feeling of dread for you. >> it did. this is the rising of the confederacy. anybody who understands the history of the united states and understands that this was the most violent and brutal attack on the united states capitol since the war of 1812, fueled, incited and assisted by the president of the united states understands that the threat we face is not just one of -- and i can't believe i just said just, just one of the overthrow of our government, it's the attempts to overthrow our government by the confederacy. those confederate flags, one of which was planted on the capitol grounds, the noose that was hanging, and the things that were said in videos that recorded everything that happened on january 6th were absolutely frightening, appalling, for every black, brown and indigenous person
across this country and for every white person who understands that the future and the unity of the united states is on the line by how we act to take out the person who has been inciting this for quite some time. >> we're running video now of you and your colleagues. you've got gas masks with you. you were told by capitol police to grab the gas masks that are under your desks and you're crouching. you also tweeted on saturday. i was arrested and fined by capitol police for sitting in a congressional building with a my laur blanket to owe expos family separation. they charged me with crowding but insurrectionists can launch a deadly attack on the capitol and just stroll out. prosecute them. all of them. tell me what your thinking is on why these folks were allowed to leave. >> well, it's very clear. i questioned attorney general bill barr about this last summer. i said to him what is -- how can the department of justice ignore
armed militia that stormed the michigan state capitol and yet do nothing about that and at the same time for the black lives matter protesters, peaceful protesters that were just calling out for long necessary justice in our country after the murder of george floyd and so many others, how can the department of justice justify this discrepancy. of course he had nothing to say then. i will tell you that those were precursors to what happened at the yuu.s. capitol. there was immunity for all of those people that stormed state capitols. now there is a call for armed protests and rallies again at state capitols and the united states capitol even before the inauguration. and meanwhile, people like me, reverend warnock, who are protesting nonviolent resistance and civil disobedience in the shape of what dr. martin luther king and others preached and
taught in order to get justice, we are immediately arrested. and we understand that for us, it's about nonviolence, it's about how we move our democracy more quickly towards justice. but these insurrectionists yesterday, what is it, i think 60 arrests, many of which have only happened in the wake of them leaving. can you imagine, ali, that they were all allowed into the capitol and then allowed out of the capitol, even though many of them were armed. they came with flexicuffs. they were trained paramilitary and military officers that had served in our forces in different times. perhaps some still serving in police forces around the country, who came in and were allowed to leave. it appears there were plans to take hostages. they certainly knew their way around the capitol too. this was a planned attack with bombs, by the way, at the rnc, the dnc and on the capitol grounds to distract in some ways from what was happening at the
capitol. this was a very planned attack, and i believe with assistance, and this is terrifying, but with assistance from the white house and from some members of law enforcement. >> we've had some wild conversations over the last few years, but definitely talking about this with the imagery that we are seeing may be the wildest. pramila jayapal, thank you for joining me this morning. donald trump's actions the last four years didn't just build up to the chaos we saw on capitol hill this week. his actions have rippled far beyond america's borders and destabilized other parts of the world. what trump's four years in office means for global order when "velshi" returns. r when "velshi" returns. what are you doing? art class. it's abstract expressionism. when you start with a better hot dog from oscar mayer, you can do no wrong. it's all for the love of hot dogs.
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i think we generally all agree that 2020 was a dumpster fire of a year. between the coronavirus pandemic, racial unrest and the entire presidential race, it was a stretch we'd probably mostly rather forget. most people wouldn't have known that the first two issues would consume 2020 in the way they did, but in its annual report, forecasting political risks, the eurasia group did predict that the 2020 election would be at the top of the list. we've never listed u.s. domestic pop particulaolitics as the top. this year those institutions will be tested in unprecedented
ways. we face risks of an election that many will view as illegitimate and a foreign policy environment made less stable by the resulting vacuum. that group made that calculation last january. this week the organization is out with this year's risk of -- list of top risks that are expected to play out globally in 2021. for a closer look at this, i'm joined by one of the world's leading foreign policy analysts, ian bremmer, president of the eurasia group and president of "g 0 world" on pbs. ian, great to see you. i'm fascinated. the first thing on your list of global threats for 2021 is the number 46, which relates to the 46th president. the 46th presidency of the united states. i'm assuming that you don't mean that joe biden himself is the risk? >> no, absolutely not. rather it's about the extraordinary divisions in the united states today. of course the united states is still by far the most powerful
country in the world, but it's also by far the most politically divided and dysfunctional of all of the world's advanced industrial democracies. you know, when we put that report out on monday last week, we got a lot of pushback. how can you not have coronavirus as number one? and my response was, look, we've got vaccines for coronavirus, thank god. we don't have vaccines for the political dysfunction of the united states. and that's played out very, very obviously over the course of the week, unfortunately. >> yeah, and in fairness, your list does have all the important things. number two is covid, number three is climate, number four is china. i mean the cyber stuff is number five. there's all sorts of stuff. but with respect to this particular issue, the attacks on the institution of democracy, which manifested more fully after you had published this last week, you looked at the entire world. you study these things all over the world, the risks to government, the risks to stability.
why is it different that it's the united states? >> well, it's different because historically the united states has played a unique role in creating both the architecture of the global economy, it's the anchor of the security system for the world's democracies, for most of them. it is also the country whose governance has been sort of polar north for a lot of countries around the world. that is why we won the cold war after all, because our ideas were considered better because all the people in the eastern bloc want a system that ran more like ours. now, the willingness of the united states to provide that kind of leadership has eroded. but at least as importantly, the belief of other countries in the united states in serving that role has also decreased very significantly. and so you see a lot of hedging. so you see china with more opportunities to operate in a comparative geopolitical vacuum.
look, germany and japan are actually going through transitions as well right now from their most powerful leaders in decades to someone else. merkel, this is her last year, shinzo abe just left a few months ago. there's absolutely no problem in those transitions. very smooth, no question about the legitimacy, it's easy. and yet the impact of that is marginal, because they're japan and germany because they just don't play anywhere near the technological, the military, the economic and even the diplomatic role that the united states does. so the outsized impact of what is happening in the u.s. and what has happened in washington right now is massive. >> i imagine there are people in the biden administration, the incoming administration who are either watching this or read your material very closely. is there an obvious solution? if joe biden comes in and understands the things at the top of your list are all the
most important things that he has to solve, including coronavirus, but this issue of legitimacy both operational ability and the belief in the strength of america, do you believe that there is an adequate road map to fix this? this isn't just a state department issue, this is an all of government issue. >> let's be clear, when the institutions in the united states have eroded for decades and the feeling among so many americans is that the system is indeed rigged against them, even if you don't believe that the election of joe biden was stolen, and it was not, you may still believe that american institutions don't work for the average american. now, joe biden has the right temperament to reach both across the aisle and across his own party, which has its own divides. but this is not just the work of one man and one administration. it's a work of a generation. and i think that it's very important that the biden administration understand that you can't just announce the united states is back. i mean there will be a
honeymoon, we'll rejoin organizations like the world health organization, the paris climate accord, that will help. but historically, multilateralists, i mean american diplomats that go around the world and say that we want to work together what, that really has meant is, well, we don't surprise our allies, we listen to them and then we tell them what we want to do and we do it anyway. it's not like we actually compromise with our allies. this environment is going to require true multilateralism. it's going to require americans to be willing to sit down and actually share leadership with our allies, actually be willing to truly accept multilateralism because american exceptionalism, the idea that the united states drives this stuff, like that legacy has taken a massive hit. >> yeah. ian, thank you for this as always. always a pleasure to talk to you. ian bremmer, the founder and
president of g 0 media. a new political age is on the horizon for democrats. in ten days they'll have control of the white house and both chambers of congress. this clears the way for bernie sanders to make good on his promise of pushing joe biden to be the most progressive president in history. the vermont senator lays out his plan after the break. more "velshi" after this. an aftk more "velshi" after this he wants us to spray everything every time we walk into the door. it's just to be sure. just to be sure! tide antibacterial fabric spray.
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before the 2020 election, senator bernie sanders told me that he would strive to make joe biden the most progressive president in the nation's history. that goal became a whole lot more plausible this past week as democrats won both senate runoff elections in georgia, allowing them to retake control of congress' upper chamber, the senate. a unified government, imagine that. now a lot of the biden administration's policy plans are likely to come to fruition, so too are some progressive policies that previously had little hope of passing in a republican-held senate. one of the very first items on the docket is passing and
signing a covid relief bill that includes $2,000 direct payments to millions of americans. joining me is independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. senator sanders, good to see you. interestingly enough, your partner, your republican partner in trying to get bigger payments to americans was senator josh hawley of missouri, who got really weird in the last week or so. but you do now have democratic support to get these higher checks. so is that going to be first on your agenda? >> ali, we have to recognize that right now this country faces an unprecedented set of crises. the health care pandemic, the economy, climate change, the threat -- very threat to democracy. and what has got to happen is to my mind the democratic congress and president biden are going to have to move aggressively to address these crises, and that
means way up there, first order of business, is to understand that people in america are struggling to feed their kids, they're struggling to prevent eviction, they're struggling to be able to afford to go to the doctor. the first thing we've got to do is make sure that every working class family in america gets on top of that $600 that hopefully many families are now getting, they'll get another $1,400 per person, including children. second of all, what we have got to do is not only address the immediate emergency, we've got to work on job creation, creating millions of good-paying jobs, rebuilding our infrastructure and addressing the climate change crisis. we can create millions of jobs by retrofitting our homes, moving to sustainable energy in many, many respects. >> let's talk about health care. this is the thing you and i have talked about for a very, very long time because we share a view on how there can be a better health care system.
obviously you and joe biden don't exactly share the same view of what should happen but you do definitely share a view that a lot more americans should be insured than currently are, and that situation is only worsened because of coronavirus, because stupidly we connect health care to our jobs in this country so insurance. lots of people have lost their sdwr jobs and a whole lot of people got coronavirus and now have pre-existing conditions that makes it harder for them to get insurance. what's the plan for this in the future? >> this cruel, dysfunctional and wasteful system has got to end. we need to do what canada does, what countries all over the world do. guarantee health care to all people as a human right, not a jobs benefit, end the absurdity of spending ten times more in some cases for prescription drugs than do countries all over the world. that has to be addressed immediately. that's my view. that is not the
president-elect's view. but short term what we can do for a start is lower the eligibility age of medicare from 65. i would go down to 55 in the first year. joe biden wants to go to 60. we can certainly expand health care coverage in a variety of ways. we can make sure that we have community health centers located -- new community health centers all over this country so that anybody without insurance will be able to walk into a medical home and get the care that we need. and also, we have got to have the courage to take on the greed and corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, lower drug costs in this country. >> one of these days you and i need to have a conversation just about community health centers and the remarkably important role they play in this country and how to fund them better. one thing joe biden has talked about is not getting too crazy about the deficit. republicans always have this
issue with, we can't spend, we can't spend, when it's on the backs of regular people getting money, but zero issue when it comes to tax cuts. joe biden seems to share a little more of your view on the idea that maybe we shouldn't be as sort of perversely obsessed with deficit increases as republicans are. >> ali, you don't know how much this republican rhetoric drives me crazy. when it comes to tax breaks to billionaires, hey, no deficit problem. spend $740 billion on the military, not a problem. massive amounts of corporate welfare, that's fine. but when it comes to helping people who are struggling to feed their families or to prevent being evicted from their homes, oh, my god, we have this terrible deficit. bottom line is joe biden is exactly right. interest rates are now low. we have to invest in the american people. we have to deal with the pandemic. make sure these vaccines getting out in a timeline that they
should, much faster than is currently the case. we have to create millions of jobs as we rebuild the economy. >> and it seems obvious. with interest rates as low as they are, we can have some current version of an infrastructure project. in this last administration, they kept holding infrastructure weeks but nothing ever happened. we know our infrastructure is weak. there can be some real ways to utilize low-interest money that can benefit america for 50 or 100 years. >> ali, that is absolutely correct. there's nobody in the united states congress will deny that our infrastructure roads, bridges, tunnels, waste water plants, water systems, affordable housing. we have desperate infrastructure needs in this country. and in terms of health care. we need more doctors, more nurses, more community health centers so we can create millions of important, meaningful jobs. rebuilding our infrastructure, combatting climate change,
improving our health care system, and that is exactly what we have to do. i should tell you, i will be the chairman of the senate budget committee, and when we put together a reconciliation bill, which will need only 50 votes, 51 votes, i have those ideas in mind. >> we will talk about that. i want to talk about the current issue right now, impeachment. you tweeted on january 8th. why would you impeach and convict a president who has only a few days left in office? precedent. it must be made clear no president now or in the future can lead an insurrection against the government. if impeachment gets to a senate trial, you will support impeaching the president of the united states? >> yeah, i will. and again, people say, well, why are you wasting your time, why are you doing this? trump has a week left. isn't it stupid? and the answer is, no, it is not. the word has got to go out, not just for this president but for future presidents that we have a constitution. we have a rule of -- rules of
law in this country. and you cannot aid and abet an insurrection and not be impeached. so i think from a precedent point of view, going forward and impeaching trump is the right thing to do. >> let's talk about it from a practical point of view. it looks like the house can get this done possibly this week. mitch mcconnell says an impeachment trial could not begin in the senate until january 19th. january 20th is the inauguration. you understand parliamentary procedure because you engaged in it about two weeks ago with respect to these relief checks. how do you understand this from a process perspective? >> my understanding is mitch mcconnell does not want to do it. if he had the will to do it, it could be done. we would have to accelerate normal processes, but if leader mcconnell wanted to do it, it could be done. in my view it should be done. >> bernie sanders, always a pleasure to talk to you. thanks for joining us.
independent senator bernie sanders of vermont. and that does it for me for today. thank you for watching "velshi." join me next saturday and sunday mornings from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. tell me what works for you, what you want more of on this show. coming up on "the sunday show," jonathan capehart will discuss the impeachment battle with karen bass and eric swalwell. joe scarborough will stop by to talk about the final days of the trump presidency. that all happens and starts in just a few minutes. thanks for watching. you are watching msnbc. ridiculous. [ chuckles ] no one looks ridiculous, bob. progressive is always here for you with round-the-clock service. just so you know, next time, you can submit a claim with our mobile app. good. thanks again for -- for rushing over. are you kidding? this is what 24/7 protection looks like. okay. -you smell like fish. -sorry. i was talking to jamie.
this sunday marks ten days until donald trump leaves office. but after the havoc trump wreaked in the nation's capital just in the last three days inciting an insurrectionist mob of supporters to attack the seat of our nation's democracy, the finale to one nightmarish presidency could come even sooner. house speaker nancy pelosi on saturday notified her caucus they should be prepared to return to washington this week. se setting up a potential vote to impeach the president for a second time. nearly 250 lawmakers in the house and senate have now called for trump's removal through impeachment, the 25th amendment or other means. and three house democrats plan to introduce an article of impeachment tomorrow. although the effort does not yet have the backing of speaker pelosi. even a handful of republicans agree that trump needs to go. the latest, senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> well, i think the best