tv Weekends With Alex Witt MSNBC January 10, 2021 11:00am-12:00pm PST
good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "weekends with alex witt". we've been following breaking news. new this hour, the fbi washington field office says they have received 40,000 tips on possible rioters. that is just online. it does not include phone calls. nearly 20 people have been charged or arrested with various federal crimes. also, today calls for the president's resignation are
growing. now from within his own party, a second republican senator wants the president to step down. >> i think the best way for our country, chuck, is for the president to resign and go away as soon as possible. i do believe that the president has disqualified himself. i don't think he's a viable candidate for office ever again. >> of course, this comes as the president is just days away from potentially being impeached a second time. house democrats moving ahead. introduced one article of impeachment tomorrow for insightment of insurrection. two democrats telling me why the move is critical. >> we absolutely have to -- as a nation. we cannot do that without first having justice. that's why we need to remove donald trump. we also need to make sure he doesn't have his hand on a nuclear trigger. >> if we don't take the action, it sets precedent for what a
president can do in the future, which is really demolish this democracy. what i say is we need to take action in the house. >> starting this hour let's go to nbc's josh letterman in washington. house speaker nancy pelosi expect to introduce the article of impeachment tomorrow. what happens next? >> well, it's all about the timeline, alex, and how fast congress can move. after all, president trump only has a week and a half left in office anyway. so the plan, according to house democrats, is to move quickly at the beginning of the week introducing that article of impeachment. potentially setting up a vote as early as the middle of the week, which would mean a skipping the normal committee process we saw in 2019 when it took the house several months to do their impeachment inquiry. putting that directly on the floor for a vote. then, of course, the question comes how soon can the senate take that up? we heard from james clyburn, a top house democrat suggesting the house could impeach the president and hold off potentially on sending that to the senate for a trial for
several months to give some additional time. but in the meantime, democrats trying to focus here on what the most effective remedy is to try to keep president trump from being able to do other things that would be problematic in the coming days. and that's why you're hearing from folks like congresswoman al sa -- alexandria ocasio-cortez. it's about looking ahead to 2024. take a listen. >> every minute and every hour he's in office represents a clear and present danger not just the united states congress but, frankly, to the country. but in addition to removal, we're also talking about complete barring of the president or rather of donald trump from running for office ever again and in addition to that, the potential ability to prevent pardoning himself. >> of course, there's two other ways the president could leave office prior to january 20th.
one if he resigns. our sources tell us there's no indication right now that president trump has any intention of doing that. the second, of course, as we've been discussing is the 25th amendment. but there, too, individuals close to mike pence said he's not inclined at this point in time to go down that path. >> let me ask where he's going this week. he's scheduled to go to texas. why now with everything going on? what is in texas for him? >> well, in normal times, alex, this period of time, the final weeks of an administration would be when any president would be seeking to brandish their legacy. to remind americans of what they view were their top accomplishments during their time in office. president trump, we learned this hour, is expected to head to alamo, texas in the rio grande valley to tour essentially 400 miles of border wall that have been erected under his administration. now the white house is describing that as promises
made, promises kept. of course, we know president trump had promised a full wall not just a few hundred miles of it. he also promised us that mexico would pay for it when, in fact, the people who paid for it are the american taxpayer. this area of texas where the president will be visiting to out to his accomplishments with the border wall is the same area that first lady melania visited a couple of years ago when she wore that jacket saying i don't care, do you? >> okay. all right, josh thank you for that. there are new concern the today that the potential impeachment trial could bank account biden's policies plans. we are covering the transition from delaware. another busy day. joe biden facing several crises. what is his plan? how will he keep the ducks in a row? it's playing whack a mole. where does he go first?
>> reporter: exactly. a lot of busy days in our future here. this biden team knew they were going to have a lot of competing different agenda items here. but the top priority has always been getting the coronavirus under control, figuring out an effective vaccine dissemination strategy. that's where their priorities are. even when you listen to biden he was asked about impeachment. he said he believes president trump is not fit for office but on the question of whether or not he should be impeached, biden said that's a question for congress to answer. we're starting to see what congress is saying on that. for biden's part, he's going to be getting the second doze of his coronavirus vaccine tomorrow in wilmington. we're seeing in the rank and file of both his cabinet and some people who are going to be working closely around him in the administration, they started getting vaccinated about three dozen of them receiving the first dose of their vaccines so they can hit the ground running once inaugurated. we heard from biden he's
starting to preview what is going to be a trillion dollar stimulus plan he's hoping to push through in the first weeks of his administration that will include money going directly to americans, those direct stimulus checks but, also, millions of dollars going into the log gist call efforts of disseminating a vaccine correctly and efficiently. those are what biden needs to focus on. that's what we're hearing as democrats push toward impeachment, we're hearing from top democrats saying there might be a few ways to do this that don't impede biden's political capital while getting democrats the impeachment they want. listen. >> take the vote we should take in the house and see. they said the best time to get the managers appointed and move that legislation over to the senate. it just so happens for a hundred
days -- it does president-elect biden 100 days -- >> reporter: we're used to competing headlines here after four years of donald trump but what is becoming clear for joe biden as he begins to build and get ready for inauguration day, just several days from now, there's also a reality where he may not have members of his cabinet confirmed for the day that he's inaugurated into office. that's something that both president obama, president trump both had at least a few members of their cabinet confirmed. they had at least some parts of their puzzle filled in by the time they started governing. for president-elect joe biden, that doesn't seem like it's going to be what happens for him. right now if you look at the calendar, there's only one confirmation hearing that is scheduled right now for biden's nominee for the department of defense. we heard biden start urging this
week he needs to start getting key positions confirmed or at least on the calendar. when you hearical clyburn mighte on it but wait on the senate. the senate needs to get a few things on the calendar for biden to hit the ground running. >> that's an interesting proposal from jim clyburn. thank you so much. joining me now is congressman madeline dean. she serves on the judiciary and financial services committee. i'm glad to see you, my friend. let's get into this. what do you make of what congressman clyburn is suggesting? get the prospect of impeachment through the house, wait awhile, let joe biden get things accomplished and bring it to the senate. as i understand it, you and about 250 other lawmakers are calling on the president to be removed from office. i mean, is it realistic to approach him realistically speaking with ten days left until the inauguration? >> it's good to be with you, alex. as usual, even under the
extraordinary stressful circumstances. let me reach out and offer my sympathies to the family of brian sicknick who died in the line of duty 12 years a capitol police officer. my sympathies go to him. i also understand that an off duty police officer has died howard linden-good. my sympathies with his family. in terms of the timing and what we will do, i have called for the use of the invocation of the 25th amendment. i wish the vice president would step up and do his duty. i think that could be the most honorable thing he could do and it would be an important part of his legacy to invoke the 25th amendment. it looks like that will not happen, at this point, i also believe that the president should resign. those around him should pressure him, let him know his time is up. he has disgraced himself and his country, he should resign. in terms of impeachment, i'm with jim clyburn.
we will in the house impeach this president again. i am a cosponsor of the article of impeachment that will be introduced, i believe, tomorrow. the article is about insightment of insurrection. i can't imagine we are talking about this but that's actually what happened. and i think it's a very fitting possibility that we would wait and not send the articles -- the speaker would not send the articles over to the senate until things have stabilized and the new president is inaugurated. >> yeah. congresswoman, you mentioned your condolences to the family of officer brian sicknick. i want to tell everyone this is a process. they're reportedly removing his body from where it has lain in the wake of the atrocities committed on wednesday. it's going to be moved to a funeral home we were told there were off duty officers, capitol police and d.c. metro on police
on call to do what they're doing now. pay the somber tribute to him. they're really in the shadow of the capitol. a place where he gave his life's work for the last dozen years or so and ultimately ended up giving his life during that horrible insurrection on wednesday. if von is able to join us and tell us what we're seeing, we're welcome to bring on vonn to do that. in the meantime, congresswoman, as -- we do have vonn. okay. standby for a moment, congresswoman. tell us what you're seeing here. >> reporter: yeah, alex. you can see the church bells ringing here. this is procession on third street between independence avenue and constitution avenue. i want to remind silent for a
moment. >> alex that's capitol hill officer brian sicknick. passed away five days ago. his remains are being transferred from the medical examiner's office to the funeral home, we're told. as you can see, law enforcement were called here over the last hour. thousands of them, as i look up-and-down the road, as far as i can see during this procession here. i want our photographer, if he could, take a step back and show the crowd that gathered here. this was not put out in any form of a press release oar publicly put out there. it's a sunday afternoon in
washington, d.c., and usual lay week before inauguration day, january sunday would look different than this one, alex. this. >> yes yeah. >> reporter: officer sicknick was one officer beaten to death. an investigation is still underway, as you noted. but he was here defending the c capitol grounds when the capitol police were overmanned on wednesday. other officers sustained injuries. officer sicknick joined the capitol police force in 2008. [ applause ] folks on bike, folks running, folks walking. this is an officer that joined the force back in 2008 here defending the capitol for the last 12 years. he was previously in the air national guard for multiple overseas deployments.
i think for washington, d.c., and the law enforcement presence you, frankly, didn't see five days ago. there are more than 6200 national guardsmen just ten days out from inauguration day. you see capitol police here joined by metropolitan police, virginia, maryland. this has been a tough five days in the washington -- the nation's capital, alex. and what you just watched was, again, officer brian sicknick 42 years old heading to the funeral home here five days after he lost his life on the capitol grounds. >> very soberly. very emotional. thank you for that. i appreciate it. i'm glad we were able to show our viewers that real time exactly what was going on there. as i bring back congresswoman madeline dean. it is so hard to watch this. when you think about the violence on wednesday, the desecration of our seat of government on wednesday, the
injuries on wednesday, the deaths on wednesday. there are those that worry about impeachment proceedings there could be more outrage among these extremist groups of the president, the supporters of the president. are you worried about that? >> thank you for bringing that dignified moment. it's hard. it's hard. and it didn't have to be that way. i'm angry. it did not have to be that way. and so whooim certainly worried about more violence, i'm not worried about more violence as a result of us doing our job and impeaching this president. the violence was brought to us incited and the fuel lit by this president. though i fear there will be more violence. i do not think it's connected to our duty to do our job and forever impeach this president and hold him accountable, at least in the history books and for all future would be leaders.
i worry about violence, i certainly do i call upon the republican leadership and vice president pence to say we bear some responsibility for this and call upon our supporters to stop. >> you have good reason to be worried. you were in the chamber when the angry mob stormed the capitol. we bring an image showing you in a gas mask. describe the moments. >> it was very strange. i was preparing for my own remarks on the pennsylvania challenge and i went up to the gallery to hear the arizona challenge. tried to go back to my office but was blocked because of a bomb threat in cannon. i thought probably the safest place for me is to stay in that gallery. as we were in the gallery and i was standing near dean philips, we kept saying shame. just shame. how can you make these false arguments? how can you do that? and with that, we were all told in some ad hoc series of
instructions, number one, please take your seats. number two, would you please prepare to kneel on the ground or lie down on the ground. with that, i started to plan and i don't know whether it was a good plan. i went down to the front row of the gallery and used the front wall of the gallery as a shield and lou sill and i were there and others used it as a shield. we hollered at others who we saw standing. veronica escobar in a beautiful white jacket. i said "get down!" they said get your gas masks out. we helped one another open the gas masks. and then, finally, they said you have to recognize we weren't watching tv. we didn't know what the crowd looked like. we were inside. >> yeah. >> and finally they said they had breached the rotunda. they're in the rotunda. put your gas masks on and await further instructions. it was a terrifying moment. >> yeah.
>> i don't know how many. i saw a handful of people had gotten in. i didn't know it was hundreds. i didn't know they would know their way to the speaker's office or clyburn's office on the third floor. i didn't know people were going to die. it was terrifying. >> i can imagine. as you think about going back to work, i mean, how safe do you feel? do you think enough preparations are being made? are you pretty confident this disaster we saw at the capitol on wednesday will not be repeated? >> i hope and pray. we're all in our caucus calls and every conversation we're having with leadership asking for assured security of the capitol and the capitol grounds. because remember who else was there. dedicated staff were there. of course these police officers murdered capitol police were there. it doesn't have to be this way. it should have been a high security event with a safe perimeter. i have a hard time getting into that capitol, if i don't show my
credentials. but, of course, they were overwhelmed. so do i feel safe? not yet. but i'm very worried for staff. >> just to add fuel to this concerning fire, we've heard about the capitol physician alerting members and staff that all who sheltered together in the large conference room, you may have been exposed to someone with coronavirus. have you been alerted? were you in the conference room? >> yes, that was our -- we were moved first to ray burn building and it was not a secure location. then we were moved to the ways and means building hearing room. it was despicable. most of the back left side of the room was filled with republicans huddled together. many of whom were not wearing masks. they were offered masks. they were asked to wear masks. it was despicable. you can imagine i kept my distance. >> i'm glad you did. congresswoman madeline dean, i'm
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rafael warnock delivered his first sermon. the backdrop of the ebenezer baptist church underscores the vital role the black community played in the georgia runoffs. julie, another welcome on this sunday. what did reverend warnock have to say to the congregation? >> reporter: he delivered hiss first sermon since becoming senator elect right at the pulpit of dr. martin luther king jr. in that sermon, he addressed his historic win but in the context of the violence that we saw at
the u.s. capitol that transpired soon after his win. take a listen. >> power can seize nothing without a debate. so there is both victory in this moment but there is violence in this moment. there's fantastic opportunity and fierce opposition and it reminds us that there's still a whole lot of work to do. >> and warnock repeated calls for unity that we've been hearing and community building. however, he noted there is no transformation without truth. he said you cannot solve a problem without first diagnosing it. and here's how his message resonated with one of his parishioners i spoke with. >> this is what reverend warnock has always done. he's been able to use the pulpit to heal. to bring people together and to address honestly and boldly the
struggles we confront in this country. >> reporter: warnock did touch on some of the racial tones we have been seeing and addressing the paradox between the response of the capitol and the police response we saw to black lives matter protesters over the summer. we'll continue to see warnock's messages in his sermons as his campaign confirms he'll remain senior pastor at ebenezer baptist church and continue to deliver sermons as a senator. >> i was going to ask you that. i'm sure parishioners are happy to hear that. democrats are hours away from introducing a new article of impeachment against this president. joining me now is eugene daniels and reuters white house correspondent. eugene, what do you know about the president's reaction to all that we've witnessed since, well, tuesday with the election
but typically wednesday. >> yeah. it started with anger. right. we always get president trump's reactions very quickly. he has been angry. you talk to people in the white house and they said that kind of continued. some of the reasoning why he did the videos, especially the calmer ones we eventually saw where he basically conceded. they told him he might be open to legal jeopardy. excuse me. that's something that president trump is not interested in doing because he's already in that -- in new york with different cases already happening. this is a president who still truly believes this election was stolen from him and it seems like he's not going to stop telling people that. so it doesn't seem like this has sobered the way he's thinking and approaching this. he's looking to come in front of the camera and that's something that was pointed out. he's done it before and
immediately the tweets came. so we're not seeing a different president trump here. >> what is interesting, jeff, the article you recently wrote titled "trump's political future in peril after capitol attack." what did you mean by that? give me the big picture >>well, the big picture requires context. that's for sometime now there's speculation that the president might run again in 2024 even though he's been denying the legitimacy of this election. he's floated the possibility of going at it again in four years. and even that case aside, his political strength was shown in the election in terms of the senators and the -- kpem for georgia, of course, but prior to that in the number of republicans who made it into the house and he would have continued to be a king maker, potentially, in the next two years. but after wednesday, and his
reaction to that in the weeks before that, that day in, in particular, and since his political future was just -- it went out the door, according to the advisors i spoke to and quoted in the story. that has implications for him. it has implications for his family. of course, he has family members who have political aspirations, and, also, as i reported in that piece, could have implications for his lunlt -- lieutenants. people associated with him who have presidential or other political ambitions in the future. >> interesting. eugene, we are seeing more and more republicans that are distancing themselves after the chaos from wednesday or distancing themselves from the president. why do you think that the capitol hill attack was the final straw instead of the number of other controversies that trump faced over the last four years? what was it about this one that made some republicans flee? >> i think the violence of it is
something that comes to mind. right. we have always heard president trump saying certain things. we saw in 2016, president trump egg on his supporters as they hit protesters on the way out of those rallies. if you have gone to a trump rally, it's not surprising to you. i think it became untenable. we saw cabinet resignations, we saw other types of resignations, and we see people calling for him to resign. lisa murkowski, pat toomey added his voice to that today. the issue is that people think it's too little too late. if you paid attention, this wasn't shocking. what we're watching now as i'm looking at the screen, it's shocking but not surprising. >> it is. >> it's something you could have called if you were paying attention because a lot of people who said they were on their way here to washington, d.c., on the sixth said they were going to do this.
and i think all of the republicans who were saying that they're so surprised. i think it makes it hard to believe. >> you know jeff, eugene mentioned resignation. several cabinet members resigned but what are you hearing about the mood of the white house now? >> i can tell you having spoken to people there that the mood is dire. lower level staff, in particular, are demoralized, embarrassed, sad. worried about their own job perspectives and reputations. they face criticism and denunciation from friends. not to mention from the public and have wrestled with their own decisions as to whether to resign with 10 days left. i have spoken to more junior and senior officials who have decided to stay to help usher in that transfer of power and yet have wrestled with that because
of how completely upset and hurt they are by what happened on wednesday. i think it's important to put into context, though, that many of these folks have been supporting the president and working for him for years. they standby the policy accomplishments they believe he made and that he promised to make, but, umm, they -- i spoke to one senior administration official who said he lost us. he lost his administration. >> interesting. earlier nbc's "meet the press" saw former chief of staff mick mulvaney saying people took him literally. i never thought i'd see that. eugene, i want my director -- rob, put up the tweet eugene posted today saying that's because the seriously versus literally schtick was a talking point not based on the reality of how trump supporters actually view the president.
explain that. >> there was always this kind of idea, especially from people who consider themselves not a republican but conservative people who worked for president trump and apologized for him in a lot of these moments that we're talking about that we took him too literally but that was never the case. if you talk to trump supporters, it meant what they expected them to do. when he told, you know, the -- to stand back and stand back and standby, that they took that as a calling. they should do that. and i think when, you know, people like mick mulvaney are coming to realize these things, that reporters have been telling them for years as we have talked to trump supporters that something that -- it's surprising to us they're just now coming around to the idea that's true. because they have always, trump supporters, taken him seriously and literally.
if president trump says to fight for him, that's something they did. we saw it happen and when he told them to march to the capitol and fight for him, that's what they did. and i think that the republican party now is having to struggle with and wrestle with what they do because these are people who, whether or not republicans want them to call themselves conservatives, consider themselves conservatives. and that's important. >> yep. last question to you, jeff, what do the next ten days look like for this president? what does it look like inside this white house? i know a lot depends on what happens story with nancy pelosi. >> it does and it doesn't. i think the white house is expecting now there will be an article of impeachment put forward in congress, which has been made pretty clear. i think you'll see an effort this week by the president and some of his senior aids. those who are left to change the subject. with that trip, the president is going to take to texas but other attempts to talk about his
legacy but as you'll see in a piece of mine that is published later today, there are people in the white house and certainly outside who are saying, look, we don't care. nobody cares. everyone wants to move on. they want to get him out of office and they want to move on with their lives. so the president is going to try to talk about other things. but he doesn't have the staff both on the counsel side or on the calm side communications side to give a robust defense for impeachment. so that is a challenge. and now, of course, that will be a big story and a big thing for him tomorrow and this week going forward. but he's also trying to grasp at a few things that he can say, hey, this is what i want to be remembered for instead of this wednesday. and the question will be whether it's remotely possible. and i think the answer is no. >> yeah. i just want to say i find it certainly ironic that the president is going to alamo, texas. if we look back to 1836 and the last stand of the alamo there,
umm there's a certain irony in that. thank you so much. republicans are evenly split when it comes to the siege of the capitol. 47% say it was a, quote, "mostly legitimate protest" and the republicans think the violence is unlawful is 47%. we'll go to nbc's amanda goldman on why some are divided. what are they telling you? >> reporter: we've been in florida for the last several days. both in neighboring nassau county that went for president trump in november and duvall county which historically is a conservative area but narrowly went for president-elect joe biden. over 51% to trump's 47%. and spoke with a number of different trump supporters who told me they actually not only condemned the violence they saw on capitol hill this week but went a step further. did what a handful of republican leaders have done and connected president trump's actions in
instigating the violence we saw that took place. they're trying to reconcile where they want the gop to go. do they want new leadership? where do they see trump's voice within the party? i want you to take a listen when i spoke with two trump supporters of their impressions they had this week. take a listen. >> am i disappointed? absolutely. absolutely. he acted like an idiot. he lowered my level of respect they had for him. >> don't always agree with what he says. don't agree with how he acts. that was a given as trump supporter. >> right. >> it's not a cult. you take the good with the bad. he had some bad sides. >> right. >> but what he's done in the past week, that's a little harder to take. >> i'm shocked. >> i'm appalled. >> i'm shocked. >> reporter: for those supporters, they told me they just voted for president trump in november and will continue to support him es -- especially if
there's another opportunity to re-elect president trump down the line. they said his voice is going to be a very prominent one within the gop. they think even with twitter outright banning president trump for life. one of the main ways he would connect with supporters give the inner most thoughts to the country and the world within he's going to have the very local presence and find a way to connect with his supporters moving forward. this is an insight into some of the fractures we're seeing and the implications within his base, even though he'll remain a powerful force. >> extraordinary you tell me those people you interviewed would consider and continue supporting him even though -- and i quote, the woman with whom you spoke, she lost respect for him and he acted like an idiot. yeah, for sure. bring him back as a president. >> that wasn't a deal breaker for her. exactly. >> thank you, amanda. big tech, we know, is cracking down on the president, allies, right wing social media
sites. amazon suspending parler. threatening to take it offline indefinitely. apple and google removed parler from their stores. they're citing threats for violence for doing so. the "washington post" reports users praised the capitol mob and threatening a potential war. joining me now is ben collins. ben, i got to say, i'm almost terrified to bring you on given everything you know about this. for those who are not as social media savvy may not know parler. why is the move so significant? >> reporter: you know, this is pretty close to a -- if you're booted off of amazon, finding hosting after that is hard. this website probably will go down today when they get booted off that. you can't access it from an app store. but it's because this website is absolutely saturated with threats for future violence. i can't stress enough, you know, there are three days they called
for in the next two week where people are saying blood will spill in the streets. it's wildly viral on this platform. they can't really contain this. i want to say, they've tried. all the people talking about how twitter is sort of, you know -- parler is trying to crack down on this. the person an election truther sort of close to the president has been pushing some of the stuff. he had a bunch of posts taken down from parler in the last day but not enough. >> wait, wait. were his posts the one he was trying to say, hey, everybody calm it down. we can't have this? what were the tenor of his posts? >> reporter: oh, no. >> oh, okay. okay. >> reporter: yeah, no. yeah. he's amping things up and has been for the last month or two. >> oh. okay. >> reporter: exactly. >> what impact overall, then, is big tech and the crack down having on the right wing extremists online?
what are they saying about the fact that sites are being taken down? >> reporter: well, it allowed them a narrative out. they don't have to confront what happened on wednesday anymore. how to they're talking about censorship and the stuff. they're avoiding the whole thing where parler is taking down the posts. they're saying this is a bigger front to democracy than what happened on wednesday storming the capitol. so they are very -- people are getting more and more militant. the only solid here it's getting harder and harder to get on the platforms. people are having a hard time accessing the sites. >> so here is a different way of looking at this, though, when you take down the sites like twitter and subsequently parler, elements of facebook and the like that can have some supervision, right. don't you throw a lot of people to the way far right dark corners of the web where it will
be more difficult to either detect or have any sort of supervision on what is being done? >> reporter: yeah. alex, again, weirdly, you know, researchers have thought about this for a long time. you know, do you have people in the wider net where people wouldn't otherwise be extremists and get the tricks to get people in extremism or do you ban those things? do you have a much more wilder but smaller rate? it's a catch-22. s now we're at the point where we have extremely radicalized people in much smaller spaces but those people will have a harder time recruiting than they did a week ago. >> what is coming down the pike? specifically a week from today there have been reports of incidents of violence and
potentially inauguration day. what should we be looking out for? >> reporter: umm, it's hard to know. you know, i guess a positive thing that i'm always looking for a positive thing out of this. >> bring it. >> reporter: a lot of people are on the lam. a lot of people have been arrested by law enforcement and now they see it's not, you know, you have to make really hard and fast determinations if you're going to be going to the events that you'll be around people who are armed and a lot of people who really want bloodshed. it's a last line of defense for a lot of people. we don't know how serious it is. people on the forums call for insurrections but the defense they had a hard date this time for january 6th. now they have a hard date and less time to plan. if they have 10 or 3 days, can they still do this in the amount of time now with all the law enforcement? i sure hope not. >> ben collins, in lynn -- coll
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is their flag for white nationalism and the flag of white supremacy. >> joining me now is reverend al sharpton. rev, thank you for joining me. is there any question about what this flag stands for by extension some of those involved here? >> no, there's no, umm, less interpretation, no confusion about what the flag stands for. and i don't think it was confusing that the flag wednesday in the capitol that he was confused about why he was carrying it. when you think of the flag, the connection with the president here, alex, is the president just about ten days ago, or around that time, had vetoed the defense bill because he did not want in the bill for them to remove confederate general names
off army bases. they feel kinship with him. >> uh-huh. as we learn about the perpetrators, rev, i'm not surprised many of them are members of alt-right, white nationalist militia groups. these groups have been part of the american story from the beginning. why is there still no law on the books to go after domestic terrorists? >> well, i think that's a question that this congress and this senate, which is now majority democrat has to deal with and answer. i think after what we saw wednesday they're going to have to deal with it and i think they will. the real thing you have to realize is we're not talking about just a riot or some disorder. we're talking about people that violently and at the point of even causing deaths, tried to
stop the certification of the electoral college vote to sit in a new president, which is tantamount to a real coup d'etat. you're talking about interfering with the due interfering with the due process and election of a head of state in this country that they tried to stop. that is a failed attempted coup d'etat. you can't classify that with any other disorder on the right or the left. >> you know, rev, i know that we have research polls, reactions from americans about who bears responsibility for this. in your mind, how much of it lays at the feet of donald trump? >> i think a lot of it lays at his feet. it was donald trump that said publicly, i will be there, come to washington, we are going to have a wild time, which had to increase the numbers. it was donald trump at the rally
that had to be permitted by federal law enforcement. i know how it is, because i have done many marches in washington on federal grounds, including the national mall, where they started. and you cannot do that without their permission and without their investigating whether they will give you a per mitt. and by the president of the united states speaking there, promoting it, it gave it the image of the being credible and fact being patriotic. he bears a lot of it. he gave it the credibility and the standing that it received. therefore he bears the responsibility of what happened. imagine if there was any of us that had marches on the other side and we told people to march to the capitol and it turned violent? we would be in handcuffs. this president not only promoted it, spoke of it, he gave the marching instructions. >> extremist groups have been
planning what they are calling the million militia march. it is scheduled in d.c. on inauguration day. there have been calls on president trump to publicly address these violent militia groups. is there anything he can say now to put the toothpaste back in the tube, per se. >> i don't think he can put the toothpaste back in the tube, but he has a moral responsibility, if that means anything to him to say even though i messed up -- we are talking about five people dad. we are talking about a policeman, he was a supporter of trump, and he's gone now. that is not some political discussion now. we are talking about americans dying because people wanted to stop the legal and constitutional process of the electoral college being certified. >> yes. >> we should not minute myself
that. this was no protest on an issue. this was to undermine an election and the certification of the results. >> rev, are we looking at an impossible and ungovernable situation right now going forward? i mean, how do we get our head around this. >> i think we get our head around it by making the president accountable. i think that he must be impeached. i think we get our head around of the by those that were with them that did criminal acts, including attempting to try and hold hostage the vice president, some were saying, and members of congress that went to the -- tried to break in physically the speaker's lobby. they must be held accountable. it is not ungovernable unless we do not have the tenacity to stand up to those that broke the law in an attempt to have a
could d coup d'etat in this country. i keep saying that. you can't get worse than attempting to top the stert fix of the election of the american people for who would be the head of state. that's what happened. we didn't have an outburst. we had a strategy attempt to stop the transfer of power. >> thank you reverend al sharpton. watch the rev on "politics nation," coming up in two short hours from now. we are also following the surging number of coronavirus cases in the country. california reporting its deadliest days of the pandemic. 6 5 souls died in a single day. scott cohen is at a testing facility in san jose, california. what more is being done there to try to get covid under control? >> alex, you know, the numbers are just -- are just staggering. some of this is just the progression of this disease which -- you know, turning it around, you know s like turning
around an aircraft carry yemplt look at the chart of cases in california. you can see the something surge, which reached its peak right around christmas. then it tends to trail off a little bit and then comes back. that's what we are wondering about now as we come off of the holidays. you can see it start to tick back up. and this, officials say, just may be uncharted territory. >> we are really in the thick of it. the projections vary by the day. i think the question unknown, which is why i can't project what's going to happen, is what bump will we see in our cases as a result of holiday travel and gatherings? so we saw a significant bump after thanksgiving that's now been translated into hospitalizations and an overwhelm of the system. we don't yet know what the affect of christmas and new year's travel will be. that's the big unknown. >> here we are looking at
intensive care unit capacity that in many parts of the state has been, you know, pinned. it's non-existent for a month now. here in cholera county, the home of san jose, and silicon valley, in a county of 2 million people, we are looking at six icu beds. normally it would be several hundred. then the other thing going on in the state as the deaths mount, as they pile up, they are now bringing in refrigerator trucks, dozens of refrigerator trucks across the street to deal with the surge of bodies. the national guard is bringing in these trucks to try to get that under control. the hope is that we can come to the bottom of that curve. but we are not there yet. >> i have got to tell you it reminds us of that which we saw here in new york city. happening in my home state of california. we appreciate you staying on this job. that's it for me. i'm alex witt.