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. good afternoon, everyone. a tense week ahead as law enforcement agencies all across the country face threats of more violence when joe biden is sworn in as the nation's 46th president next week. nbc news has now learned that top fbi and dhs officials formally warned state and local authorities to be on high alert for potential tikes state capitols. federal buildings, and even lawmakers. officials are deciding whether to close the national mall on inauguration day so president-elect biden won't get to see scenes like this one when he was sworn in as vice president back in 2009. as biden takes back the white house, president trump is in the oval office headed for historic,
for an historic second impeachment trial for inciting last week's deadly insurrection. we'll have a full report on that. also, there are now more than 23 million recorded covid infections and soon 387,000 deaths here in the united states. the u.s. has added 100,000 new cases today. over 1800 people have lost their lives so far. president-elect will lay out plans tonight to vaccinate americans and rescue the economy. 965,000 americans filed for first time under employment claims last week. rising by 181,000 from the week before. we have a great group of reporters and analysts on hand to help us dig into all of this. we do want to begin with nbc news correspondent allison barber on capitol hill, and nbc correspondent kelly o'donnell across from the white house. allison, let's talk about you. all eyes are on the inauguration
right now. there's always tight security around these events. that's not a surprise. but based on where you are standing, tell us about what you are seeing surrounding this presidential inauguration and how unprecedented the level of security is. >> reporter: yeah, i was here in 2012 and 2016. i've never seen anything quite like it. we've seen them continue to put up additional barricades all traubld capitol complex. many of the barricades are some nine feet tall with flat bases that make it nearly impossible for them to be flipped over. you get a sense of how big the military presence is. these are members of the national guard. at least 15,000 were activated as of monday on the ground. there are members from six different states as well as the district of columbia. when all is said and done, d.c.'s chief of police says he expects at least 20,000 members of the national guard to be in the footprint of d.c. obviously, all of this, this is
a very tight strong posture, as far as stronger and more intense than anything we saw a week ago. the goal here, the hope is that it will prevent anyone who wants to do harm to the united states capitol or the people inside it from being able to get inside. that does not mean all the threats are gone and that there's not still concern and worry among law enforcement at the local and federal level. the d.c. chief of police said that he will be worried all of this weekend as well as next week. and we've seen online, far right extremist groups continue to tell their followers to come to d.c. and encourage some of them on bring weapons. >> we'll be talking about that angle of it later on in the program. let me ask but the president, if i can. what do we know about how the president is preparing for what we just saw happen yesterday? that historic second impeachment trial in less than two years? >> reporter: well, typically a president who would be leaving office might be using the time left to highlight
accomplishments. we saw that in a very small way when the president put out a written statement today talking about the force levels in afghanistan and talking about some of his views on the u.s. military, and as he has defined it saying he has supported the military and will always be against long term war. so that's a brief statement in writing from the president that might otherwise have been part of a farewell address, which aides say has been considered. we don't know if the president will still do that. and the other times of the day, we get the sense that the president is sort of taking roll of some of the things he needs to consider like pardons. we've been told to expect that as early as today, that could be possible with another series of the president using that power that is unilaterally his own and one where he has at times been very public about how he has enjoyed using that power. i was with the president earlier this week when he took his final trip going to the border. i asked him about that.
he did not respond to any questions about pardons, including self-pardoning, one of the things we've been trying to get a sense of when the president has according to various sources, talked about that. and he's done so publicly in the past. is that something he's considering. we've been told he's given guidance not to try to take that step so. it is a very different end to the presidency than it might otherwise have been if the president had not waged this war against the election itself, and then his words and actions that incited the violence, and he's been in a very hunkered down posture in days when otherwise, he might have been reaching out to some of his allies or supporters. that has been very limited, very few people around the president at this point. >> to your point, just four years ago, barack obama, president barack obama had already delivered his farewell address by this point in his term. thank you both for starting us off this hour. joining us now, co-founder of
bunch bowl news. and andrew weissman from the mueller theme is now a professor at the new york university school of law, also an msnbc legal analyst. jake, let's talk about that bunkered down congress for a moment what are you hearing about when the president's second impeachment trial could get underway? what might it look like? >> reporter: i'm inside the bunker at the moment in the capitol. the reality for this impeachment process is the republicans are making the argument, mitch mcconnell is making the argument that he won't start it before the inauguration. he will start it afterwards because there is no way this impeachment process would wrap up before donald trump would leave the white house. now, nancy pelosi has not said when she's going to send those articles over to the senate, which would trigger a whole host of rules and procedures for the impeachment trial. but we imagine that first week of biden's presidency, that will happen. nancy pelosi will send them over and the process will start.
now, i think mcconnell is right in some way. and i'm curious what andrew says, he'll probably agree that a trial could not be conducted in a couple days, although people wish it could be conducted in a couple days. but there are still things the senate can do that are impactful with donald trump out of office. they can convict him, obviously, and then from there they can decide that he can't hold public office again because the crimes he's alleged to have committed would be incitement of insurrection, are inappropriate for somebody holding office. so i think that is something that we have to keep an eye on. >> andrew, arkansas senator tom cotton says that he opposes an impeachment trial because dlump no longer be president, when it is finished, saying in a statement, quote, the founders designed the impeachment process as a way to remove office holders from public office. not an inquest against private citizens. the constitution presupposes an office from which an impeached office holder can be removed.
does senator cotton's view hold any legal water here? >> we're fortunately as a country not to have faced that legal issue where the supreme court has had to decide this issue. and of course, this is a bit of a hybrid. because he has been impeached while in office. it is just a question of when the senate hears that. and as is noted, congress still has legitimate power even though someone is out of office, which is as noted, you can preclude them running again and you can take away the emoluments and the kinds of things that a former president gets. i have to say my view on when to hold the trial is, i don't know that the democrats should be in such a rush. in other words, with mcconnell saying we can't do this before the inauguration, i don't know why anyone on the democratic side is rushing to do this. the only thing that is going to
happen after the inauguration is the evidence is going to get stronger because at that point it gives a chance for the administration to dig up additional evidence and find out who else the president has pressured, other examples of abuse of power, and even if there is no such evidence that comes forward, which i highly doubt, given just the past, that each day brings new evidence against the president, having the checking function of this being held over the republicans and former president trump's head is not a bad thing also. >> really quickly, is there a case to be made for trying him as a private citizen? can you make a case with some of the similar charges, insurrection, as we heard the u.s. mention, can those things be brought against the president as a private citizen afterwards and not in the senate? >> well, i would stay answer is
both could happen. there is nothing about impeachment and trying that that precludes criminal authorities from seeking to bring a case for sedition or insurrection. both of those are federal statutes and they seem to fit quite well with the facts here. which is that it would be very odd to say only the people who actually carried out the violence are the ones who will be held to account but not the person who, to use the phrase that people have been using, lit the match that put this into play. so that is quite a possibility as well to see that at the federal or state level. >> we'll see if that does play out as well. jake, let's talk about the delay of the start of the trial, potentially, does it make it easier for foul balls vote to convict and potentially bar him from holding public office again? and especially since we keep hearing new and disturbing details every day about what happened on january 6th?
what do you think is the calculation among republicans? is this an opportunity to get donald trump off the ballot forever? >> i think some people think so. i think a lot of people will be watching what mitch mcconnell does. i think andrew's point is right in the sense that there will be more evidence that comes out in the coming days, whether democrats hold the articles or not. there will be evidence. the fbi is investigating, the department of justice is bringing charges. i do think that if mitch mcconnell votes to convict and he is hoping to convict a whole host of republicans will look at that as a pass to crack down on trump. perhaps. we'll have to see. i think mitch mcconnell will be the person to watch in the coming days and weeks and it is very notable. he said he's open notice. that's huge. mitch mcconnell didn't say that the last time around, as we all remember. he basically said this trial is going nowhere and we should dispose of it quickly. he's not saying it this time around.
>> really quick will he, is there any consideration or rumblings among democrats that perhaps starting it in the short term after the inauguration of joe biden as president and the majority of democrats taking control of the senate, that it could be problematic for the agenda? >> they are making that case but steny hoyer has made the case, and most of the leadership and most of the people involved have made the point that they can't wait. they can't make the argument that this is an urgent issue to take care of and we'll wait because we have other things to do. the senate can do a number of things at the same time and they can also dispense with this quite quickly. it is not like the mueller case. this is one incident, one charge that they can dispose of quite quickly. >> all right. thank you both for your insights. appreciate it. just a few hours from now, president-elect joe biden will roll out his covid response legislation. we'll have a preview after the break of his plans for economic recovery. plus, later in the hour we'll
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. we are following some breaking news. the plenty seen in a viral photo carrying a confederate flag in the capitol building is now under arrest. they said kevin and his son from delaware turned themselves in this morning. they face several charges including unlawful entry in court today. the fbi says they've identified two after getting a tip from hunter seefried's co-worker who said that he bragged about being with his father at the capitol last wednesday. authorities say hunter was also seen on video clearing a smashed window the to get inside the building. the president is going to give an address to the nation tonight on his covid-19 recovery plan. it comes as the latest jobless
claims surge hitting the highest weekly total since august. joining me now, mike, good to have you with us. what do we expect to hear tonight? and give as you essential of how biden's team is gearing up for this unprecedented inauguration. >> as you know, president biden will give a speech a little after noon. that tends to be a little more poetry. tonight we'll get the pelosi of what is biden's first governing speech. a proim time address in which he wants to offer more specifics about the legislative agenda he'll be pursuing to get this country into a situation where we can defeat back the pandemic and also, get back on track economically. what is interesting is we've been talking with biden officials, to sort of see how they're staggering this. there is a long term need which is of course, biden laid out that build back better plan over the course of the campaign. but there is the immediate need
to get money in place to deal with vaccinating americans, to get schools ready, to welcome students back into classrooms by the end of the 100 days as biden has laid out. but also to keep americans' heads above water. to get the direct stimulus checks out, economic and home owner relief. the rent moratorium that biden wants to extend. so these are some of the details that we expect to see him lay out tonight. as part of that inauguration, you mentioned the concerns about security. we're already getting a sfrens the biden team of what will now be daily briefings with federal officials to understand the security threats. biden himself took part in a briefing yesterday with senior secret service and fbi officials as well as his own security team. at this stage, little indication of scaling back, although there are biden allies who are worried about the inauguration. whether or not he should be on the west front or move it inside. we'll continue to get more
information. thanks for that. and breaking moments ago, unnamed sources telling the "washington post" dozens of people on the fbi terrorist watch list came to d.c. on the day of the riot inside the u.s. capitol. we should note terrorist watch list is not the same as that no fly list. joining us now, one of the reporters who broke that list. great to have you. tell us more about who some of these people are and how it appears they were able to congregate in the same place. what have you learned? >> it is not designed to watch them all the time or even. of the time. it is about collecting data points about those who they believe could engage in violence. in this case most of the folks on the watch list who came to d.c. for these trump events were suspected white supremacists.
so the government collects this information because they're interested in where these folks travel. that's the time of information that gets collected. so it's not that the system isn't really designed for the folks on this list, keep them from traveling at all. they didn't act particularly aggressively on that information. >> yes. i was just going to ask to you elaborate a little bit. if they have a separate no fly list, if you look at the diagram was, there any part in the middle, have you learned if any of them traveled through, let's say, flying, where they could have potentially been identified or picked up or did they drive into d.c.? >> sure. but there is nothing in the system that is supposed to prevent them from traveling for folks this watch list. there is a bigger debate and conversation going on inside federal law enforcement about
whether they need to be more aggressive in investigating and interacting with suspected white supremacists. one of the groups we're told they're looking at very hard is the proud boys. they're concerned that some of those people may have played in organizing or participating role in violence. we're still in the early days of the investigation. >> have you had a chance to get any comment or response from the fbi? have they had anything to say that the reporting. >> we're told by one u.s. official, look, they can't talk about who is on the terror watch list. it is a secret list and it is secret for both security reasons and reasons of people's privacy, which is fair. if you think back to sort of post 9/11 era when these lists were created and developed, there are limits to what they can do and i think there's always a question of, all this data collection a result, end
with better results. and i think that's a question that law enforcement officials are asking themselves now as they pursue all these cases. >> so to that point, looking ahead a few days away, what could be the potential impact of this revelation as the country braces itself, and as we continue to hear more warnings from law enforcement officials all across the country. >> first d.c. will have an incredible amount of security. probably more than an inauguration has ever had, which is saying something. there's a lot of concern that they can't cover every state capitol the way they can cover washington, d.c. and they don't have necessariory perfect information about, okay, people are talking online about conducting attacks. where will that happen? when and how? those are the unknowns here that scare and worry officials. but what is good is, because of what happened last week, everyone is on high alert. everyone is trying to figure out everything they can do to make these state houses and the
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more than 386,000 people have died from coronavirus in the united states. one of the hardest hit states is california. los angeles county in particular is facing a crisis. hospitals there are strained as the death toll equates one person with covid dying every six minutes. and health officials are struggling to get vaccine doses rolled out fast enough. nbc news correspondent steve patterson is live in l.a. for us. good to have you with us. what is the state trying to do? and how is it making more vaccines available to stem this outbreak? >> reporter: well, let me set the stage real quick. we're in this post holiday surge. right now, good news. hospitalizations across the board seem to have stablized. bad news is when you factor in that people traveled for the holidays and they start getting sick, health officials expect another major surge on top of a surge. so to mitigate that, they're trying to get as many people vaccinated as humans possible. first by opening it up. they're cutting the line for
people who are getting vaccinations. opening up to seniors, 65 and older. they're also opening the super vaccination sites. we've seen many open up. one in san diego, here in dodger stadium in los angeles, set to be functional tomorrow. disneyland says they've already vaccinated 3,000 people. meanwhile the governor says the rollout has been slow. they've had about 3 million over that, doses into the state. they've only double about a third so far. part of the reason is the fragmented way they're coming in. they can't really storing vaccines or distributing them. they go to health department that's are fragments across the state that is the land mass and population of a small country. so the governor spoke to my colleague miguel almaguer about just that. i want to you listen. >> california is a different state. we're the size of 21 states combined. so when you talk about the state, the application is really
localized. localism is determining. each municipality, each region will adopt strategies and now with that flexibility, some will move more quickly than others. within the next few weeks we imagine all parts of the state will be moving consistently. >> reporter: last week the governor set a goal of vaccinating about a million people by this sunday. he said by all intents and purposes, california should hit that goal. ayman? >> thanks. meantime another vaccine could be on its way to approval. data from early trials show johnson & johnson's one dose vaccine appears to be safe and generates an immune response. the company says it is expecting data from its phase three trials in the coming weeks. joining us now, the professor and vice chair at northwestern university. it's great to have you back on the program with us. let's talk about this one. how would a one dose vaccine impact the fight against covid,
especially with all the distribution issues that we're seeing right now with all of the vaccine that's have been rolled out, as i understand it, are two-dose vaccines so far. >> i see a lot of potential for a one dose vaccine to address some of the most urgent problems we have right now. for example, taking the example of california in the los angeles region that you described. they really need to cut off transmission as quickly as possible before more people are infected. the potential of a one dose reg men added on top of the doses that we have available from the other providers, pharmaceutical companies, i'm sorry, that we can reach more people and roll things out more quickly. right now we have a strategy that appropriately targets those individuals at highest risk of dying. that being older adults. however, it is not always the case that those are the individuals who are most likely to spread the virus within our community. so to the extent that we can start to reach down to essential
worker populations who are needing to circulate and work, we can start to cut off transmission. >> so tom point, i want to ask you about what is happening in other states. there are some following the guidance to vaccinate those 65 and up. the former cdc director said this morning on today, there's not enough vaccine to meet demand for that. are you at all worried that front line workers and people in rural areas in this country are going to be left behind? >> i'm very concerned about ensuring that we do shore up our infrastructure of front line workers. and the rollout to health care providers has already started in many places, and those are the individuals who have received their doses. i do feel that it is appropriate to have lowered the age to 65 and older, and i think it has a potential impact of doing two things. first, that is a population at highest risk of mortality, due
in some part because of the underlying co-morbidities. the pre-existing cardiovascular diseases, chronic lung illnesses. but second will you, there are many adults, 65 and older, who are still working, who are helping to care for grandchildren, and who are circulating widely in society. i think we need to protect those individuals. with regard to it creating additional shortages, that remains a concern. right now what we see on the allocation is that the administration of doses lags behind the number of doses that have been allocated to a region. so i think what we really need to work on is our strategy for getting the vaccines out to the population so we can maximize what we have. >> all right. thank you. so for your time. appreciate it as always. >> thank you. it's not just how many house republicans voted to impeach president trump. up next, steve kornacki joins with us a look at the big board over who those ten republicans
the second impeachment have president trump is the most bipartisan in u.s. history with ten republicans joining democrats in that vote. one of they will, gop congressman peter meijer of michigan, explained his decision earlier on msnbc while discussing last week's deadly insurrection at the capitol. >> the moment came when the president continued to fail to take any sense of accountability or acknowledge that he may have been responsible. many of us are altering our routines, working the get body armor which is a reimbursable purchase that we can make. it is sad that we have to get tom point. our expectation is that someone may try to kill us. >> wow! joining me now, national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board.
do you think they're making this decision based on legal grounds or moral grounds but there is a political factor. some may be asking, why would these ten republicans break with their party? can you explain the districts they represent for any clues? >> yeah. there is a broad range here. let's take you through that ten. break it down into categories. first, there are two republicans who voted to impeach trump yesterday. valadao from california, john katko from districts trump lost in november. biden won california's 21st by 10 points. katko, and biden carried by almost the same margin. so these are members of congress lou do have to worry routinely about winning re-election. valadao in 2018, he couldn't win and had to come back in 2020. then the next range of seats. these are competitive districts. you mentioned peter meijer from michigan. this is the same district if you rebel the name, justin amash,
he's the republican who used to represent michigan's 30. he left the republican party and didn't run for re-election. here comes peter meijer and now votes to impeach. trump won by 4 and generally the republicans would do better there than trump. it was one of those places where trump lags the normal republican vote. also from michigan, fred upton. trump won by 4. also from washington state. so those are more competitive districts. and then here you go. these are the most interesting in terms of trying to discern motivation here. five members, republican members from districts that trump carried. adam kinzinger has been an outspoken opponent for a while. that wasn't a surprise. this one, tom rice from south carolina, the myrtle beach area, a district trump carried by 20 points. heavily, heavily republican district. that was the biggest surprise for people yesterday. newhouse from washington, of course, liz cheney, part of the
republican leerm at large. she represents the entire state of wyoming and wyoming overwhelmingly a trump state. whether you're talking about these republicans in heavily trump districts, or any of the others we put up there. the obvious question is beyond the general election, the republican primary, did the vote they cast yesterday endanger these republicans potentially for a republican primary challenge in 2022 the. how will the base react? will that linger for two years until the next round of republican primaries. obviously that's something we'll be keeping close tabs on. >> and liz cheney facing pressure from within her own caucus some of the are calling for her to resign. thank you form. and also for correctly pronouncing peter meijer's last name of the i apologize for getting that strong. be sure to listen to his podcast. you can search it by searching article two wherever you get your podcasts. and today we learned that
officials are considering closing the capitol mall on inauguration day. while no official decision has been made, and several options are being looked at, this would be a big departure from past inaugurations. joining me now, nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. it is great to have you with us. even considering this is very telling of our current climate as a country. 20,000 u.s. troops have been deployed to the u.s. capitol for this. that's obviously double the number president obama got during his inauguration. and more than those currently deployed overseas in countries like iraq and afghanistan combined. what does this tell but the magnitude of this event? >> well, what it tells me is that on the 6th of january, we have a domestic terrorist attack encouraged by the president. it was an attack on our congress. could it have resulted in assassination of, multiple assassinations or hostage taking or something even worse of a
combination than that. and what more of a warning do we need than that? my feeling is if joe biden and kamala harris have to be inaugurated in an underground cavern or on a hardened military base, if that's required to keep them 100% safe, so be it. but the next best thing is probably to do it in the place it is usually done but have this kind of military presence that we have not seen since 1861 and 1865 during the civil war, or during world war i and during world war ii. >> so i want to ask but the symbolism of it. the actual, doing night bunker secures the transition and obviously makes it very important for the government to function. no one is debating that. what is the symbolism of being able to watch it and for americans to see it and the world to witness it, mean, given everything we've just gone through? >> it shows that democracy is undeterred. but the symbolism was not
important enough to be, to risk a president's life in 1945. it was world war ii. there were assassination plots against franklin roosevelt. they felt wasn't safe to take him from the white house to the capitol, swear him in in public, because that might risk someone who wished him ill. and the result baltimore everything was done -- the result was that everything was done on the south portco of the white house. we are depending on our security on a defense department, fbi, department of homeland security, intelligence agencies, until noon on wednesday next week, inauguration day, will be run by donald trump. that does not make me feel secure. >> our previous segment, we played that from congressman meijer about the feeling he has that someone would kill him. and we heard from another
congressman who had a poster put up on his office door, threatening him, calling him a traitor. what do you make of the state this country is in that congressmen, congress women, literally feel they're not safe doing their jobs. >> it is something that we have never, ever seen in american history. even 1861 when abraham lincoln was sworn in for the first time in march, there were reports that there were groups called the plug uglies and others who had come to assassinate lincoln during his inaugural address. it didn't happen but these are. more widespread. modern communications are much faster. we saw the result of that on the 6th of january and it is just grown up to say this is not a normal time. if it takes doing something extreme to inaugurate our president as we did in 1945, it is much too important to keep the new president and the vice president safe. >> one thing that i always like
to do is look and compare about how america does certain things with its democracy, compared to countries overseas. and one point that a lot of my friends and others point out, how long we have during this transfer of power from the time an election happens until the time a new president is sworn in. other countries, their change of leadership happens relatively quickly when you compare to it most western democracies that you see there. days between victory and inauguration. i know a lot of this is bound by the constitution. but are there any lessons to be learned? any effort to shorten this time so somebody like president trump in the future does not try sabotage the transfer of power? >> the way to make sure that doesn't happen is never elect a donald trump as president ever again. i home we will never be, in our life times or our grandchildren's, seeing a situation where president of the united states encourages a terrorist attack and possible assassination of a vice president, the speaker of the
house, and members of congress. let's not minimize what we have seen. let us hope that this is a one-time event. but what it means is for us not to pretend this is a normal time. instead to say, it is much too important to make sure that power is transferred peacefully on inaugural day the way it should be. >> i remember in my short time of covering these presidential transitions, presidents would go on vacation. most journalists would check out, waiting to hear about the incoming administration. these 65 or so days would be mostly uneventful. but here we are in unprecedented times. michael beschloss, as pleasure. thank you. >> thank you. ahead, how state capitols are responding to the warnings of armed protests ahead of the inauguration. you're watching msnbc. the inauguration you're watching msnbc. smooth driving pays off you never been in better hands
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could be the next targets of violence following last week's deadly capitol riot. christopher wray and acting u.s. citizenship and immigration services director ken cuccinelli held a nearly hour-long call yesterday with state and law enforcement hour-long conversation with officials, saying it was an overview of intelligence threats and what local and state officials could do to better prepare for unrest in their jurisdictions. joins me now is tom winter. good to have you with us. what do we know about what was discussed in this phone calls. what kind of threats to local statehouses are we seeing right now? >> you're absolutely right. it was 45 minutes, we're total. our reporting indicates that the top officials were on the call, more of a high-level threat briefs. it's not whether john doe or jane smith is up to smith. they were talking about our overall sense of the threat,
what are the things to be aware of. i talked to chiefs, sheriffs, people from state police, the focus was on the state cap tolls, as you mentioned, also on federal buildings, and potential for violence at the homes of federal lawmakers. that's something that's getting a fair amount of attention now. so just a sense of, hey, be on your toes, be sharp, be aware these threats are on there. we're seeing them online, text messaging groups, et cetera. also confidential human source information, so those are informants within these groups stars what the organizations might be up to. we had a briefs with the nypd's top counter-intelligence official john mitchell, who said the temperature is high. he said there's two schools of thoughts. first these groups are emboldened by what happened last week, that they were able to
pull it off. on the other hand, they're a bit rattled by the fact that all these arrests are starting to be made, so they may be blunted in their efforts at this point right now, aaayman. >> i'm sure you'll stay on top of it, thanks, my friend. two off-duty police officers from rocky mountain, virginia were arrested. the judge ordered them to stay away from po tests. they did not enter pleas. other arrests including an olympic swimmer, a ceo, a then sitting west virginia lawmakers, a retired lieutenant kernel, as well as a man in a occasion camp auschwitz" sweatshirt. stephanie gosk conducted an
in-depth look into how people get political radicalized. >> reporter: on the capitol steps, rage as police were beaten at the door. rioters chanted violent threats. [ chanting ] >> reporter: taking an aim at the democracy they insisted we were to prevent. you guys did this to us. we want or country back. we are protesting for our freedom right now. >> reporter: according to authorities, up of the participants are members of extremist groups whose ranks have grown in recent months, fueled in part by the pandemic. john miller is the head of counter terrorism at the nypd. it's taken us aback to have people, who appeared to be normal patriotic americans really cross over that line. since people have been on lockdown, unable to go to jobs or unable to go out, they spend a lot more time online. >> reporter: experts say they
come from all walks of life. >> a lot of these people weren't trump supporters at the start of the pandemic. they come from places where the one through line is they are looking for order. >> melissa was one of those people, finding comfort in the conspiracy-fueled qanon community. how quickly did that conversion happen for you? >> i would say it was a matter of weeks. >> reporter: she said qanon drove he to this molt in a target. [ bleep ] over. >> what gets you to the point where you are ripping masks off of a stand at target? >> you know, i think i was just trapped in this, like, qanon echo chamber, and i will say that, you know, social media played an enormous part in what happened to me in terms of being radicalized. >> no, no.
>> reporter: lively did not travel to the capitol, admits she was wrong to spread qanon's lies, now disavowing conspiracy theories and staying off the internet. it's normal, well-adjusted people that get ensnared. it takes over your life, and completely tweaks the way you think. >> reporter: for some that means turning to violence. in the lead-up, extremists that follow the fringe conspiracy group qanon made an open call to arms. really what we are talking about that people, though extreme, are engaging in something protected by our constitution, then crossing that line into breaking the law. that's a big step. >> it's a big step, but it's becoming more common, and it crosses all stripes of political belief. >> reporter: has the fight against foreign extremism provided something of a blueprint against domestic
extremism? >> very much. isis was the first group to weaponize social media, and we're seeing it again in this extremism. >> our thanks to stephanie gosk for that important report. good news to wrap up this hour. we have seen this capitol footage of eugene goodman heroically luring away protesters, putting himself in harm's way to protect the lawmakers and staffers sheltering inside. now several members of congress wants to recognize goodman for his bravery, introducing a bill to award him the congressional gold medal. very well deserved indeed. i see you back here tomorrow at this time. "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. is she alright?
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