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if we says that we will align ourselves with that leader, allowing our sense of duty to be usurped by an absolute executive, that is not democracy. it is not even factionalism. it is a step on the road towards tyranny. >> so, now, we're back here again, the president facing a second senate impeachment trial, this time for inciting insurrection in his speech before the attack on the capitol. in just a moment, i'm going to talk to one of the impeachment managers this time around, representative madeline dean on how they're preparing to make their case. this is all coming in the country on high alert due to what happened at the capitol with federal and local officials preparing for the potential of more violence from trump supporters. >> we're looking at individuals who may have an eye towards repeating that same kind of violence that we saw last week. >> i am very concerned about the safety of our officers.
what we saw, you know, on television, in reference to the u.s. capitol, was just horrific. and i speak to you as a law enforcement official and also a member of the military, the navy reserves, and so for me, it was difficult to watch. >> a defiant joe biden, meanwhile, continuing to prepare to take the oath of office as the 46th president of the united states as he continues to assemble the team that will, in fact, take over. >> we're going to lead with science and truth. we believe in both. >> that's right. >> this is how we're going to, god willing, overcome the pandemic and build our country back better than it was before. >> in a couple of minutes, we're going to look at the biden agenda and what success and simple competency might be able to do to bring this country together. also this hour, race and the attack on the capitol. we're going to look at troubling new reporting about the capitol
police that underlines concerns that protesters at the capitol got far different treatment than those of black lives matter protests. this as members of congress raise questions about what they're seeing from their own colleagues. >> people of color are not safe around any individual who, frankly, sympathizes with a white supremacist cause and it doesn't matter if you're been elected to congress or not. it is a complete abdication of any responsibility that we all have to protect and defend and be there for each other as human beings and certainly as americans. >> well, we're going to begin with a second impeachment of the president and some new reporting, of course, from nbc news as the senate awaits the article from the house. they're telling nbc news that some of the president's congressional allies will likely play a role in his senate impeachment trial, though the exact details are still being determined.
the top names being discussed include some of the president's staunchest supporters during both impeachment proceedings, including republican congressman jim jordan, of course, not surprising at all there, of ohio. and then matt gaetz of florida. joining me now is democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania, madeline dean. thank you so much for joining us. not surprising to hear this news of possibilities of jim jordan and matt gaetz's involvement considering their support throughout. staunch support even after the storming of the capitol, really surprising to hear from those two individuals, to say the least, but not surprising to hear what their roles may be in the impeachment trial. as i played the sound of congressman adam schiff a little bit earlier during the first impeachment, of course, we know that that was based on the ukraine phone call with the ukrainian president, a quid pro quo, shall we say, and it seemed like the objective of
congressman schiff at the time was to make sure the president didn't lie again, was to stop him in his tracks, to keep him from abusing the powers of the office of the presidency. what is your objective going into this impeachment? >> well, just reminds me of maya angelou's wise words and i'm paraphrasing. when someone reveals himself, believe him the first time. so adam schiff's words were absolutely chillingly directly on point. look where we are. there has never been a greater betrayal by a president of the united states against his oath and against his country than by the actions of donald trump inciting insurrection and an attack on the capitol at a time of a joint session with the vice president in the building. never been a greater betrayal. >> it's going to come down to mcconnell, some reporting is indicating. this from an nbc piece on mcconnell's impeachment decision, writing, the outcome
could come down to mcconnell, who has a deep reserve woir. he could lead reluctant senators to follow suit. what will be the appeal that is made, especially to an individual like leader mcconnell? >> the appeal is what we all witnessed and many of us went through. i was in the capitol. i was in the gallery, trapped there for a short while. the senators were under attack. we were under attack. that mob was there with the intention of assassinating the speaker, hanging the president's own vice president, and hunting down members of congress like senator mcconnell. this is -- it's such a tragedy for our country, and so i am certain senator mcconnell and all of the senators are reflecting on their duties as this moves forward. i hope for a conviction.
i hope we are successful in putting the case before the american people. of course, the american people witnessed it themselves. but i hope -- and i hope we get the votes of all of the congressmen, mitch mcconnell, importantly, among them. >> how much do you think the senators' decisions on their votes will be based on the president's behavior and the behavior of his followers and his voters in the coming three days? >> i have no idea. i have not spoken to senators about that. we certainly saw the claims of some of the members of the house in terms of their vote to certify the election or regarding impeachment that they seemed to make it based on politics or based on they didn't feel safe, therefore they threw their vote the wrong way. very strange rationale from members who are sworn to uphold their oath of office as well as
the constitution and the law. i don't have any speculation on the senators. the senators are the greatest deliberative body on the planet, and i count on them to deliberate, to take the facts, the evidence and the constitution and the constitutional oath this president took when they cast their votes. >> what are your concerns if this president is acquitted yet again in the senate? >> i'm not going to anticipate that. i know we have a job to do. and the reason we want to continue with this, regardless of if the senate fails to convict, and i am very hopeful that they will not. as i said, if there were ever a greater crime, i don't know what it would be against this country. but what my hope is, is that we are there, we clearly put forward the case, because what it also sets is deterrence.
if we don't move forward with this trial in the senate, it will say to any future leader that you can go on a crime spree at the end of your term and you will not be held accountable. so, we're doing it for deterrence, for constitutional accountability, for the protection of our constitution and our precious rule of law, for the protection of our government. it's so important we do it, and i hope that we will then also take the next step, not only convict, but prevent the president from ever holding office again. we saw that he didn't learn his lesson by impeachment number one. we don't want him to get another shot at serving. >> and what does it say, congresswoman, to the world that have seen the united states as a pillar of democracy for so long that you can have a president in charge who incites an insurrection, who tells his supporters to storm the capitol
and who spreads lies about an election, the freest and fairest that we have seen in our nation's history. >> oh, i know that our partners around the world are heartbroken for us and for this attack on our democracy. we absolutely know that. but what i believe they are counting on is for us to do our constitutional duty, try and convict this president, bar him from ever holding office, and send up a signal to the world that we do value and hold precious our constitutional rule of law, our democracy and this republic. and of course, the world is watching as very importantly vice president biden will become president biden and kamala harris will become our vice president. now, there are two people who value our precious rule of law and our constitution and their own public service. >> democratic congresswoman madeline dean from pennsylvania, thank you so much, congresswoman, and thanks for
taking the time out on this saturday afternoon. >> thank you for having me. i want to bring in our panel now. absolutely. i want to bring in our panel now, amanda, former national political director for hillary for america and ceo of code for america, alexi and carlos, former republican congressman from florida and an msnbc political analyst. thanks for joining us on this. amanda, as i was just talking to the congresswoman about the strategy, we really didn't get into the weeds of what they want to put out there, how they want to go about it, because at the end of the day, they do need to get 17 senators on board for this thing to vote in favor of impeaching the president after, in fact, he has left office. it's going to happen after the inauguration as we know about the timeline at this point. what do you think their focus needs to be going into the senate trial? >> well, i do think these next couple of days really matter, and i hope we don't see any violence from here on out, but
just the experience of holding inauguration like this, i have been there. this is supposed to be an exciting time, a time where the country comes together and we hear a leader talk about what their vision is. the feeling that you see now in watching our capitol under lockdown and that's what we have to do for an inauguration, i think, will give some real reflection to the senate as they think about how do you conduct business going forward from this moment on out? and that's a real question that i believe will be important as senators talk to each other and say, how do we kick this off in a way where we are sending a message that we have a lot of work to do together, and particularly in the senate. this was a very big deal in the senate, and you could see the body in realtime at the moment, many senators change in terms of what they were going to do and what they ended up doing on that senate floor, so i do believe these next three days are really important for these relationships to mold again. they're going to go through an experience in this inauguration
like no other and that in itself, i am hopeful, will bring new conversations to the forefront and new ideas as how this congress moves forward. >> so, okay, alexi, two questions to you based on what amanda just talked about and the question that i asked the congresswoman a little bit earlier. from your reporting, what you are you hearing about the realistic prospects of this actually happening in the senate, of getting 17 senators on board to vote in favor of impeachment, a, and how much of their decisions, these republican senators, are going to be based on the next three to four days, both the president's conduct and the conduct of his voters and supporters? >> yeah, yasmin, thank you for having me. happy saturday, guys. i feel like a lot of this depends on the timing of when the house transmits the articles to the senate. a lot could happen over the next couple days that could change the dynamics and the calculus for some of these republican senators who may be on the fence. i'm thinking if we see anything like what we saw on january 6th, that would surely put more focus over the edge because of how personal those attacks were, not
just to members of the house but to the senate. and i'm thinking back to, you know, early last week when sources close to senator mitch mcconnell told axios that he was leaning toward convicting the president and then of course he came out with his own public statement to his republican colleagues saying he hadn't really made a decision either way, but that, of course, gives him wiggle room to whip the votes, to figure out how his members are feeling. i think a lot about democrats, house democrats, when president trump had only, before the january 6th attack, had that call with the georgia secretary of state and a number of democrats were coming forward with different ideas, not just impeachment, to hold him accountable, things like censuring him and impeaching him, and i'm curious whether and how republican senators are considering different options to try to hold president trump accountable that wouldn't just be convicting him but that could involve other things, whether that's barring him from running for office or senturing him. >> congressman, want to bring you into the conversation here and want to read to you from an
op-ed from the "new york times" talking about, what i are there so few courageous senators, specifically pointing at someone like mitt romney who voted in favor of impeachment the first time around and why there aren't more senators like that, and basically, this op-ed is saying that we need to have more senators at the end of their career. in it, they write this. to get more courageous senators, americans should elect more who are near the end of their political careers. this doesn't just mean old politicians. today's average senator is, after all, over 60. it means senators with the stature to stand alone. congressman, i got to say, it's an interesting idea, but we talk a lot about how washington is completely and utterly disconnected from the voting population and their experiences. if you have a heck of a lot of senators like mitt romney who has a lot of money and really doesn't owe anybody anything, sure, he can make a decision that's not based on his constituency because he feels like it's for the good of the nation, and he knows he can
always dip into his own bank account but at the end of the day, does he really have any connection to the voting public? what do you make of this? >> yeah, yasmin, this is a tough question, and it's a tough nut to crack, so to speak. so, the reason why so few republicans have taken the step of calling this for what it is, of condemning the president, of voting to impeach him in the house, is because the president remains popular among republicans, especially republican primary voters in the country. and the main motivation for most representatives and senators is to get re-elected. now, what these members should consider is that rather than being driven by fear of donald trump and what he may do in primaries to punish certain people, they should be driven, if by fear at all, by fear of what damage is being done to our
democracy. i mean, we came very close -- >> but they've never -- >> a massive constitutional crisis. >> yeah, but -- i don't mean to cut you off. and of course twitter is going to go crazy because they hate when i cut my guests off, but they've never done it before. they have never stepped up and said, we have to stand up for our democracy. none of these senators have ever done that. why would they do it now? because their lives were under threat? because it affected them personally? and then what does that say? >> the trend is certainly good. we had zero republicans voting for impeachment about a year ago. now we had ten. i know it's not a lot when you consider that there are over 200 republicans in the house, but still, it was the most bipartisan modern impeachment out of the house, and now, in the senate, this development where mitch mcconnell is saying that he could vote for
impeachment, that is significant, yasmin. mitch mcconnell, if you think about it, has put himself in a very powerful position. mitch mcconnell's essentially going to decide whether or not donald trump gets convicted, and mitch mcconnell knows -- we'll see what he does, but for sure, mitch mcconnell knows that donald trump is bad for the republican party and dangerous for this country. >> mitch mcconnell putting himself in a powerful position? that's weird. amanda, let's talk about looking ahead here and the future. and the reason why i want to is because i think it's this incredibly important time in which we're making the transition to the biden administration and we're talking about how to bring americans together when they are, oh, so divided, right, and could it be kind of the recovery of the economy, you know, tackling covid, tackling the pandemic, less lives lost. i want to read for you from the "washington post" editorial board op ed on biden's plan and they write this.
what the country needs soon is a plan to alleviate hardship and support economic activity in the period between the dismal short-term and the promising medium term. the proposal president-elect joe biden unveiled on thursday could build that kind of a bridge and ron klain released a statement, the president-elect's chief of staff, essentially saying, talking about and laying out the hard road ahead and what they, in fact, need to tackle and in a sense laying out a plan of how they're going to go about tackling that. but nonetheless, do you think this is a bridge towards unity? if a biden administration is able to help recover an economy, save lives, send out more relief money to americans across this country, that kind of help quell things, quiet things? allow people to kind of take in the change in washington? >> absolutely. i think people need to see government works again and government cares about them. i'll say this. there's been a lot of work done with the fed from the great recession, some of the lessons learned during the great recession is how do you make sure the markets sustain
themselves and we've seen the fed do quite a bit of that which is why you've seen the markets be okay but what hasn't been seen is the vast numbers of people who are losing their jobs, who are trying to figure out how to put food on their table, money in their pocket, and keep going. what you see in this stimulus plan or in this relief plan is finally you're beginning to see a plan that addresses those folks who might have been invisible in this period of time but i got to tell you, they're hurting quite a bit. we're seeing it in our programs at code for america that address food stamps. we're seeing the major spikes in unemployment. we're seeing what people are trying to do to get cash assistance. and finally, we have a program in front of us that speaks to that, to talk about child poverty cut in half is a huge -- it's a huge win for our country, not the republicans or democrats, but people all across america that are hurting and we still have a long road to go, and i am hopeful that what ron klain is putting out there is
truth and heart as we think about what the days and weeks and months ahead of us are. >> amanda, alexi, congressman, thank you all, guys, really appreciate it. great to see you on this saturday afternoon. coming up, everybody, america on alert, state capitols across the country are bracing for possible riots ahead of inauguration day. up next, we're going to go live to california where a fence now surrounds the capitol building and the national guard is in place. we'll be right back. we'll rbeight back. at philadet makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier. philadelphia. schmear perfection.
welcome back, everybody. law enforcement agencies are on high alert for increased threats of violence following last week's insurrection at the capitol that, of course, is triggering a huge wave of new security measures around this country, including in california as well. with that, i want to go to jake ward, who's standing by for us in sacramento. jake, good to see you. talk us through it. how are law enforcement officials there fortifying the capitol from your standpoint? >> reporter: yasmin, this is a very locked-down capitol complex. for blocks in every direction from where i am standing, you can see the 1,000 national guard personnel that have been deployed here. they are working with california highway patrol to basically lock down this area. chp is on tactical alert and you can see them arrayed everywhere around me. but as you know, the real tension, the real preparations seem to be happening on this larger scale on social media on all of the online chatter that
we're monitoring at this hour in preparation for what might come tomorrow. >> hey, jake, talk to us about facebook. i know that they are also joining an effort to curtail violence ahead of this inauguration. buzzfeed news is reporting that the social media giant is going to pause advertisements for gun accessories and military gear as well. tell us more about what you know. >> reporter: you know, it is such a fascinating reflection of where we are at. you know, social media, the essence of facebook as an advertising platform, is the idea, yasmin, that you and i, if we showed an interest in workout gear and organic food, it might also assume we're interested in something like parenting. the algorithm knows our interests. well, buzzfeed news found that, in fact, people who were engaging with news content about the coup and user-generated content would assume to be also interested in weapon
accessories, holsters, all the sorts of things that goes with a paramilitary interest. well, this reporting from buzzfeed news reported that, and then yesterday, attorneys general from four states determined that they were going to send a letter in and say the micro-targeting of this is unacceptable. well, this morning, facebook announced that it would, in fact, be putting a pause on all advertising around weapon and gun accessories until after the inauguration. i think that, you know, algorithms can always tell us a little bit about ourselves. they are the essence of the business model of something like facebook, and to see that shut down in advance of this inauguration tells us something about where we're at, yasmin. >> all right, jake ward for us. good to see you, jake. thank you. coming up, everybody, allegations of racism within the capitol police force, a propublica report showing since 2001 hundreds of black officers in the department have sued for racial discrimination. we're also going to dive into the discrepancies between the
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hey, hey, where are they counting the votes? where are they counting the votes? where are they counting? hey. >> these people -- these people -- >> these people -- >> yo, yo, he's one person. we're thousands. >> more than one week since the deadly insurrection at the capitol, there are serious questions about whether some police officers there to protect, in fact, helped pro-trump rioters breach and destroy the building. since january 6th, several capitol officers have been suspended and more than a dozen others are currently under internal investigation for suspected involvement with or support for the deadly riot. according to new reporting from the "washington post," two
members of the pro-trump mob who entered the capitol building told the fbi that an officer standing guard shook their hands, admitted defeat, telling them, quote, it's your house now, and even gave one of them a partial hug. one of those rioters also told the fbi that he thought the officer was acting out of fear. the attack is not only raised questions over the extent of white supremacist infiltration to the capitol hill police force but thrust the force's lengthy history of racism and treatment of black officers into the spotlight. since 2001, more than 250 black officers have sued the capitol police department for racial discrimination. 250. some of those former officers telling propublica that it's unsurprising that a violent, mostly white mob was able to storm the building, drawing a direct line between racism in the force and the events that unfolded that day.
i want to bring in my panel to discuss all of this. joining me now is judith, former montgomery police captain and a founder of the black police experience, sonia pruitt and "new york times" contributing opinion writer. welcome to you guys. thanks for joining us on this. judith, i want to start with you on this one because we've talked about the stark contrast in the response to the capitol hill storming and the black lives matter protests. but there is clear evidence that we have seen of explicit racism and bias within the police force. why has this not been addressed, specifically within the capitol police? >> oh, well, this is nothing new, right? like, we have a history in this country of police who are white supremacists, and so anyone who
is shocked or surprised is either -- has amnesia or has dismissed history or has been miseducated because if we look at our history, police and law enforcement were started as part of slave patrols to make sure that enslaved people were captured. then, if we move through reconstruction, slavery, and through jim crow and the civil rights movement, racists and white supremacists were always part of police departments, including seeing photos of some law enforcement standing at public lynchings, and so now, here we are in the midst of an insurrection, and so i -- where we see police participating in it, so we shouldn't be shocked, and we shouldn't say that they infiltrated. it is that they have always been part of the fabric of the apparatus of law enforcement in this country. >> so, captain pruitt, you have
retired lieutenant frank adams who has said that he has endured constant discrimination, blaming congress for not listening to black members of the force, saying that they ignore racism. we have talked a lot about police brutality, especially towards young black men and women in this country, but we don't address discrimination and racism inside of the police force. how do you go about addressing both of those and understanding that they can simultaneously exist? >> well, i would like to augment what my sister judith just said. just imagine this, though. if bias and discrimination against black officers, in particular, is happening inside of police departments, then of course officers are going to feel comfortable going out on the road, going out in the
streets, going out into our communities and acting in the exact same way. the black community is very familiar with aggression and violence that comes with the oppression of our black bodies and our minds, and so look at how the term "law and order" is being used as this sort of dog whistle for presidential candidates, for instance. democrat and republican. nixon and clinton. it's a rallying cry for white supremacy and if you have police officers who are sympathizers, okay, then it would follow that white supremacy and white nationalism cannot really exist and be successful without the participation of these officers. >> so, you have this new report, and we talked about it a little bit earlier in the show in the 3:00 p.m. hour with janelle, a reporter from nbc, who reported on a story in which so many of
the folks that are being arrested, the people, the rioters that are being arrested were from military, that you had law enforcement officers, former law enforcement officers. i spoke to a former law enforcement officer who now identifies himself as militia. these are people that are on board with this right-wing extremist mentality with white supremacists and so on and so forth, and they were part of the storming of the capitol. if you are a black or brown kid watching this happen, what are you supposed to think? when you realize you have members of the military, people that are supposed to serve and protect members of the police force, people that are supposed to serve and protect, and you may already have, you know, reservations about being able to trust these people, but then seeing them being involved in the storming of the capitol, what are you supposed to make of it? >> you're supposed to listen to rage against the machine, who called it 25 years ago and said, some of those who workforces are
the same who burn crosses. this is white supremacy. we're witnessing the audacity of caucacity where we see a mostly white mob and literally law enforcement are taking selfies with them, are helping them, are part and parcel of this violent mob that wants to disrupt the election, that wants to help donald trump in his violent coup and what it shows you, if you're a black or brown person, is law enforcement is there to protect and serve whiteness, but if you're a black and brown in this country, you're on your own. in fact, if you're just trying to protest, peacefully, against police officers killing black and brown bodies in this country, they're going to unleash hell on you. and we just saw in the first week of june, they literally brought batons, tear gas, rubber bullets. they beat up black and brown people and white allies who were on the streets saying, please stop killing us, we are american
citizens who want equal standards but if you're white and you're angry and you have economic anxiety and want to literally take part in a violent insurrection, guess what? not only will we take selfies with you, we'll join you and be part of the mob to intimidate the rest of you to stay in line because this is a white man's country, and you better believe we're not going to give up power easily. we have to call it out and we have to confront it and we have to clean it up. >> can i add to that, yasmin? >> yes, please, please. >> i also think that what black and brown young people and some of us who are not very young think in this moment is exactly what people have been saying in the streets during this time, when they're protesting to protect black lives, which is to divest from law enforcement. because we cannot continue to have law enforcement in this country that not only has disparate way of treating us but then also want to partake in
overthrowing the government. like, it calls into question the legitimacy of law enforcement, and so we shouldn't be surprised when people with saying it's time to divest. it's time to defund. and that we need something that is drastically different to protect us. >> even when you're hearing most of the time when folks are saying, defund the police, what they mean more is just take some money away from the police and put it more towards programs that actually need it like the homeless system here in new york city that gets a fraction of what the police department here in new york city actually operates on. captain pruitt, i wonder, you know, we talked about some of the programs that then attorney general eric holder put in place in order to deal with the problems inside with racism inside of police departments and police brutality towards black and brown men and women in this country, and some of it was rooting out racism, right? racial sensitivity training. community policing. so on and so forth. the idea, and the understanding is, will the biden administration put these types
of programs back into place to address what is happening with police departments across this country? do you think programs like that work? >> i'm going to probably be a little bit controversial here. policy and training are destroyed by the police blue culture. you can train someone all you want to. if they don't wish to embrace it, it's not going to work. we have implicit bias training. well, this bias is not implicit. it is complicit, and it's explicit. so, how do you -- how do you divest yourself of that kind of person in your police department? first of all, they should never be hired but there are no mechanisms in place to keep that from happening, at least not nationwide. you cannot heal without acknowledgment and you can't have a reckoning without accountability. so, it's great. we can have another commission, and we can have another task force.
we have all of the answers about what's wrong, what we lack is commitment in this country, and i mean commitment on all levels from the highest of the politicians right down to law enforcement leadership and local politicians. where is the commitment? the people are telling police departments and law enforcement this is what we want, and that is who law enforcement works for and they should listen. >> yasmin, can i add something real quick? >> accountablebility. >> yes. >> fbi did a report, released over a decade ago that said white supremacists have enfiltrated law enforcement throughout the country. so, why have we waited ten years? people of color were whining and complaining -- that's what they said. we've been talking about this for years. how come they ignored black officers who were complaining about racism against -- that were facing against their own peers? and so, we have to step up, and when everyone says blue lives matter, a cop was killed. where is blue lives matter when a white mob kills a cop?
so enough of this. let's confront it. let's call it out. let's do an audit and let's clean up house. >> such a good conversation once again. thank you guys. judith browne, sonia pruitt, really appreciate it. this news cycle has been dominated by the insurrection at the capitol and its aftermath but up next, some important stories that you may have missed in the run. stay with us. s that you may havd in the run stay with us it's a reason to come together. it's a taste of something good. a taste we all could use right now. so let's make the most of it. and make every sandwich count. with oscar mayer deli fresh incomparable design makes it beautiful. state of the art technology makes it brilliant. the visionary lexus nx, lease the 2021 nx 300 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. ah, a package! you know what this human fo ordered?month for 36 months.
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welcome back. on the run today, a rundown of what the trump administration is doing on its way out the door. a federal execution spree ended this morning with a lethal injection to dustin higgs who maintained his innocence in the murder of three women. lawyers had tried to delay the execution, arguing it would be extraordinarily painful given damage to higgs's lungs from his recent battle with covid. he is the 13th person executed during trump's term, the third
to die in his final full week in office. lisa montgomery, the only woman on death row, was execute on wednesday and cory johnson, who had an intellectual disability, on thursday. the trump administration also using the final days in office to create policy roadblocks for the incoming biden team on a number of key issues. a flurry of environmental rollbacks, loosening standards for home heating equipment, reduces the protected habitat for the northern spotted owl and opens conservation lands in california and utah to development. and trump administration lawyers released a memo concluding it would be illegal to forgive all or some of american student debt through an executive action, arguing such a move requires congressional action. the memo is not binding, but clearly meant to give fuel to those who might fight such a move by a president biden. and what would be the end of trump's administration without a sort of denial of an embarrassing story for the white house. "the washington post" this week
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welcome back. all across the country high alert, high security in anticipation of possible armed protests ahead of inauguration day. at the arizona state capitol in phoenix, new barbed wire went up overnight as part of massive new security measures there. antonia, good to see you this afternoon. how are things looking there? >> here at the cop toll law enforcement agencies are leaving things up to chance. there is a double layer fence around the perimeter and the national guard came and added barbed wiring as well. right now the fbi says there is no specific threat orally planned at the moment, but many of the lawmakers and staffers who work in the building behind me here don't agree with that.
they feel that what we've seen happen in d.c. is intimately connected to the extremism movements that are at home here in arizona. they've seen tensions and protests happen out here on these grounds since election day. one of the stay lawmakers here who works in the building behind me, he went to d.c., took photos and posted them and the qanon shaman man has been denied bail here by a judge. >> arizona is thousands of miles away from washington, d.c. do you have see a connection between the activity we've seen there and what you've heard happen in this state? >> 100%. i know one of the most memorable images from that day is that
attacker who was dressed with the animal fur. that same attacker breached our own state capitol in december and to what ended up being somewhat of a trial run, bypassing security to gain access to the building. >> the representative is the author of a letter sent just the other day asking for a joint fbi and d.o.j. investigation into arizona republicans for their connection to the riots in d.c. she and other lawmakers tell me that they're not sure they're going to come into work in person this week. they're waiting to see what happens this weekend. >> all right, thank you antonia hylton. treat to see you. tomorrow watch "velshi," "attack
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