tiffany cross begins right now. the president of the united states committed an act of insurrection. i don't think it's unifying to say let's forget it and move on. that's not unifying. you don't say as president, do whatever you want in the last months of your administration, you're going to get a get-out-of-jail-card for free and we'll make nice nice. people forget people died here on january 6th. >> i'm not ready to make nice. maybe neergt are you. good morning. i'm tiffany cross, and ice been a busy week. we've got a lot to get to and we

begin today's "cross connection" with a new order. majority leader chuck schumer has announced the second impeachment trial of donald trump will begin the week of february 8th. >> the house managers and the defense will have a period of time to draft their legal breathes just as they did in previous trials. during that period the senate will continue to do other business for the american people such as cabinet nominations and the covid relief bill, which would provide relief for millions of americans who are suffering during this pandemic. >> it's our first show with trump out of office, but there is a developing story from overnight. another trump scheme revealed. "the new york times" and the "washington post" report while in office trump allegedly plotted to fire acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and replace him with an ally who would take up trump's baseless

claims, emphasis on baseless, that the election was rigged against him and pressure georgia lawmakers into somehow overturning the state's election results. trump reportedly dropped the idea after doj officials threatened to resign en masse. the person trump was said to be conspiring with, jeffrey clark, has denied those allegations. meanwhile in the new world order, it's day four of the biden administration, and the new president is moving full steam ahead on immigration, on climate challenge, and most urgently on covid relief. >> we're in a national emergency. we need to act like we're in a national emergency. so i've got to move with everything we've got, and we've got do it together. i don't believe democrats or republicans are going hungry and losing jobs. i believe americans are going hungry and losing their jobs,

and we have the tools to fix it. >> if you're going hungry and losing your job, then you don't care about senate procedure. you want to know when help is coming your way. president biden had already sign 30d executive orders and seen two cabinet officials confirmed while calling congress to pass his relief package which will directly impact you. there's a lot going on and it's time for lawmakers to prove they can walk and chew gum at the same time, especially considering they haven't missed a paycheck and perhaps you have, and many of them have already been vaccinated. perhaps you're driving over an hour to find a vaccination post where you can be inoculated where the rest of us simply wait. joining us now, a democrat from hawaii and a member of the judiciary committee. senator, i'm so happy to have you join us this morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. we'll be speaking with one of your colleagues, house impeachment manager, in just a few minutes. i want to start out by asking

you, look, there's a lot of news happening, a lot of people are suffering right now. i do think american people do want to see accountability from the previous president, donald trump, who did incite as impeachment managers will claim a violent insurrection on capitol hill. in order to see some accountability, at least 17 of your colleagues across the aisle will have to volt to convict. have you had any indication at all that any of these folks are not radicalized, that they would see through a legal lens and vote to convict this president on a violent insurrection that resulted in five people killed? >> it's very clear, tiffany, that we need to not only hold the president accountable through an impeachment trial, but to get on with passing a covid relief bill, and we can do

both. much will depend on mitch mcconnell's willingness. it will depend whether 17 of them will go along don victory this president of what we all experienced a as a violent insurrection at the capitol remains to be seen. i think a few of them will, but i don't know that we're going to get 17. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't proceed to hold this president accountable, and that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop him from ever seeking elected office again, and that just takes a majority vote. >> so, senator hirono, let me ask you. you're on the judiciary advisory committee. you're sitting very until tered in that chair and speak for many americans across the country. how is it that senator mitch mcconnell still has so much

power considering he's the minority leader. your colleague chuck schumer is the majority leader. when can senate democrats go gangbusters and confirm biden's cabinet nominees? >> the huge difference is going to be that we're going to be able to send bills to the floor that are substantive, not just a whole bunch of judicial nominees that he only needs 51 votes to pass through. so this is why mitch mcconnell wants us to agree that we will not try to take away the 60-vote requirement because he knows with democrats in control, we want a covid bill there, we want -- you know, we want the confirmations. fortunately those take 51 votes. but there's going to be a lot of substantive legislation that democrats will push forward, and he wants the power to veto and stymie as many of them as he could, and we would be crazy,

democrats, to let him have that kind of power. this is why chuck schumer said no way jose yesterday. >> so i tried to make this plain for folks watching, but i do feel a kinship to people at home watching who while we talk about senate procedure, they don't know how they're going to pay the rent. the 1st of february is just around the corner. the 1st of the month, bills are due. for those sitting there not only without a loved one at their table -- perhaps someone died of covid-19 -- but now they don't have a job. they don't have food to eat. i think what most americans want to know is how soon can they expect relief from the federal government. joe biden has introduced a $1.9 trillion pack j which would include a $1,400 check. how soon can the american people expect that money to hit their bank account? >> i know joe biden wants us to move his $1.9 trillion covid

relief bill in a bipartisan way as soon as possible, but, frankly, if it doesn't happen and there's a lot of foot dragging, and we're having to spend months trying to negotiate with the republicans, we have other tools to get this bill through. first of all, yes, we will do the bipartisan effort because all the other covid bills have been done bipartisan, although, some took a heck of a lot longer than it should have. >> let me ask you before i let you go because i have your house impeachment manager standing by. i want to ask you when you say you want to pursue this in a bipartisan way, i think people sitting at home is saying, who cares if it's bipartisan. go gangbusters, push this through, put the money in the bank account. a lot of it will be eaten up by overdraft fees. a lot of people don't really care about your financial situation. they care about political posturing with an emancipated

gop party. so what do you say to folks sitting at home watching you right now saying i don't care if we apiece to republicans, i have kids to feed and bills to pay, pass this $1,400. >> that's why we're not going to be pushing it through months on end. i have a sense of urgency and so do a lot of democrats do. the reason we want to do this bipartisan is, you know, we're going to have four years of joe biden, and we want to set the stage in a much more positive way as we can even though we have a sense of urgency to help the american people. i know that, tiffany, so we will continue to push. that's what we do. but now we get to set the agenda, which makes a huge difference. >> all right. well, many people are waiting for you to set the agenda.

senator hirono, i hope you come back on the show. >> i watch you all the time. aloha. >> i appreciate that. aloha back to you. thank you so much. i want to bring in your colleague. joining us now is house impeachment manager eric swalwell. i'm so happy to have you. as i was talking to your colleague from the upper claim be, a lot of american people want to see this president held accountable considering it cost five lives when this violent insurrection on the capitol took place on january 6th. let us never forget as we often say with september 11th. the interesting thing i find about this situation, congressman, is essentially your jurors are also survivors of the insurrection. your courtroom is also the scene of the crime. yet you're appealing to people who are either apologists or sympathizers to these radicalized violent insurrectionists who intenthed them harm. as an impeachment manager, how are you going to make the case to people who are still quite frankly sympathetic to folks who

cost five american lives? >> well, tiffany, the difference here between this event and the last event as you pointed out, these senators ran for their lives. they sent the same text messages i sent to my wife. i love you, kiss our babies, not knowing if i was going to make it out of that chamber alive. their desks were ransacked. their hallowed chamber where john f. kennedy served and the nato agreement was signed was desecrated. and the person who led those terrorists to their chamber was donald trump. he invited them there, lit the matches as liz cheney said that led to the attack. this for many of them will be the last off-ramp to pass judgment and hold donald trump accountable. >> so this isn't -- the senate isn't a court of law, right, but essentially you guys will be (ing the case. i think a part of it is to

remind the american people what happened, to punctuate the point. i want to hear about the witness list. i want to see don junior called, kimberly guilfoyle, rudy giuliani. i want to see all these people on the witness list come before the american people and dare to say they were not inciting a violent insurrection. are they on your witness list? who can we expect to hear when the democrats take this point -- take this position and have a witness list? who are we going to hear from. >> i love your show. congratulations on the show. as much as i love your show, i'll never reveal my witness list. it's so obvious who the witnesses are. it's not only the people who had knowledge, the americans saw the police officers who were beaten and spit on and stampeded, 50 of

them injured, almost 20 of them hospitalized, one of them killed. the cafeteria workers who ran for their lives as well. there's a lot of witnesses to this crime. but i think it's also important that we frame this as this was not of passion crime. it didn't happen spontaneously, wording slipping out of donald trump's mouth. for months he propagated this big lie to radicalize the terrorist, to call the cavalry to washington. he called it stop the steal. if you're not an elected representative, the only way to stop the steal is by taking a physical act. and he told them, don't show weakness. you'll lose your country if you don't fight. and he would go with them to the capitol. of course, he didn't. most importantly, for two hours they attacked the capitol, and the president said nothing. >> right. yeah. he was a hide man. they wouldn't bust a grape in a

food fight. i think a lot of people want to know who's on the witness list, but we don't have a lot of tile. i do want to ask you about covid relief. yesterday over 700 californians died in your neck of the woods. where does the lower chamber stand on pushing this bill through congress so-so many people suffering from covid-19, not just financially but the disease itself, where does congress stand on getting this bill through the house so local and state governments like california where the pandemic continues to rage the state to get local and -- local government financial support, some support to address this issue. >> we know the needs there and we're going to deliver in the house. you saw, tiffany, back in december, we brought along 44 republicans with every democrat to have a $2,000 stimulus. of course, the senate republicans never brought that up for a vote. so we hope that is included going forward. i'll tell you personally, a family member of mine just got out of the hospital from covid after being there for a week.

i mean this is real. while the government has a responsibility to act, we all right now have personal responsibility to mask up, distance, get a vaccine. and, tiffany, i want our health care workers to lead by example. too many are not getting the vaccine. they can lead by example and convince the rest of us it's safe by themselves taking it. >> all right. i do want to tell you we're talking to another person from your neck of the woods, mayor robert garcia. he's going to join us in the second hour, and we're going to talk with him about what it looks like for cities. i thank you so much, congressman swalwell. you didn't make the news. you have to come back when you get that witness liflt together achlt lot of people want to know who's going to be on the witness list since the senate has subpoena power. thanks for joining us this morning. i hope to have you back on the show many times as we watch this trial unfold. and i want to move on. at this very moment, innocent children are still separated from their families at the hand of the federal government.

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all right. as i sit here today, there are 611 migrant children whose parents the government still has not yet reached. now, the biden administration is tackling that and quickly reversing the myriad of ways donald trump targeted immigrants and ripped apart families. quite frankly, it will take years to uncover that damage. but on day one president biden signed executive orders halting both the construction of the border wall, mind you, that mexico was supposed to pay for, and the travel ban from muslim countries. he also sent to congress the u.s. citizenship act of 2021 that would provide undocumented immigrants with a pathway to citizenship in eight years. here's how the new white house press secretary jan psaki

characterized the bill. >> today president biden sent an immigration bihm to congress. it modernizes our immigration system, provides hard-working people who've enriched our america. it's to responsibly manage the border, keep families together, grow our economy, address the root causes of migration from central america, and ensure that america can remain a refuge for those fleeing prosecution. >> press briefings. remember those? joining me know is jacob soberauv. jacob, i want to start with you. let's get to the breaking news.

what have you got? >> sure. tiffany, good to be with you. congratulations on the new program and the congressman knows he lives two streets outside my district, so he's my almost congressman. you know, we got early immigration actions by president biden, but this task force is something he promised. he called the policy criminal, and there are a lot of questions including where will the families be reunited, how will this work, what will the accountability, and what will be on it. i think one important thing to ask is will it include the attorney general, monte wilkinson, who we reported last night following it on "the guardian" was potentially given early knowledge of this policy in 2017. he received a memo that outlined the complaints from a line prosecutor that he didn't want to be involved in family

separations. he was disturbed by family separation. he was ultimately dismissed, moved back to washington, d.c. i think what the attorney general knows is that this could prove very important, critical, perhaps, to the accountability piece of all of this. >> yeah. i agree. i think a lot of people -- if you consider the only reason we're here is these are not white babes. if you separated white families from their babies, there would be a public outcry. people want to see accountability for 611 children who, quite frankly, may have been orphaned. i do want to ask you about one of your colleagues in the house, congressman linda sanchez also from your neck of the woods, california. she's pulled together a group of lawmakers who say they're going to push joe biden's immigration bill through congress. they're calling themselves the closers. i haven't seen any reporting on who exactly is in this coalition. do you know about this coalition? are you a member of it?

and do you anticipate this bill will pass congress? >> first of all, tiffany, let me say congratulations on your new show. jacob, good to see you again. yes, there is a list of closers that was released by linda sanchez. she has a lot of experience. judy chu is on it. i want to let you know, it's not just those individuals. the congressional hispanic caucus has developed a task force that's been divided into three different buckets, but the first two main buckets are the biggest. one is to lead the reform efforts on the joe biden plan and the second is to look at the executive orders that are being -- from the trump administration that are being undone by the bind administration but also see what else can be done by executive order. so we have a lot of work to do.

this is a top priority for the caucus, immigration reform, and delivering relief to immigrants throughout the country, especially my district that has been disproportionately provoked by covid and the policies of the past administration. >> quite frankly, when you have 611 orphan children, it needs to be a priority for everybody. i certainly am curious how you plan to work with the biden administration on this. i want to bring you some news. we learned from the white house that president biden spoke yesterday with the president and according to white house, they spoke about, quote, reversing the previous administration's draconian immigration policies, and the two leaders agreed to work closely to stem the flow of a regular migration to mexico and the united states, which brings me to my next question. so a part of this immigration bill, joe biden is trying to address the root of the problem.

bhie are these folks leaving their home country to come to the united states? a part of this bill is to give $4 billion to interagency plans to address the underlying cause of this, which is, of course, from the central american triangle, el selvago, guatemala, and honduras. i do want to ask you. there was a caravan essentially busted up. they mostly came from honduras, passing through guatemala, trying to escape poverty,ed a they were busted up in mexico. if we can address that problem, the root problem in the country, do you think it can curb some of the immigration challenges we face here in america? >> tiffany, let me take a crack at that question. first, i'm the son of immigrants who came here during the '50s, the '60s, and the '70s. my dad was leaving poverty. he lived in a one-room adobe house with a thatched roof. they came here for an economic

opportunity and provide a future for their kids. i was born here. one of the things we saw here is when mexico developed its economy, when it became better, you saw blessed immigration to the united states. a lot of my family never decided to move here because they had more of a future in mexico. now the migration from mexico to the united states is zero. so if we actually do focus on the root causes, we can actually create a situation where the net migration from those three countries becomes zero, but it's a lot of work to do because you need to stomp out corruption, build up economies, and make sure they do have a way forward. but it's the only way you really can deal with the immigration, undocumented immigrants coming to the country, focused on developing the nation's economist and making them more secure. >> congressman gomez, you're the son of immigrants and also a harvard graduate. so it shows what immigrants contribute to this country.

jacob soboroff, i understand you want to weigh in on what the congressman just said. go ahead. >> when you say the caravan was broken up, i went there to look at the poverty, the starvation, and malnutrition of people living in the highlands because the coffee crops had been decimated because of climate change and climate variability. the trump administration literally defunded aid which would help mitigate climate change and variability in the nation. there's a video with john kerry and the climate. it would be malpractice if they didn't look at the central american regions, the impact of climate change on those regions and why people ultimately leave their home country. anybody on the ground will tell you nobody wants to leave. everybody wants to stay there. but when you have to choose between starvation, malnutition, extreme poverty, death, and

looking for a better life, i think it's obvious what you're going to choose. >> imagine seeing women on the road with their infant children. they're not just doing this for leisure. they're fighting for their lives. i cut you off. really quickly. >> one of the things my dad would always tell me there's nothing worse than the feeling of going hungry. you can't explain it. you have to experience it. and the motivation to get food. that's what a lot of people are doing, the motivation to get food, take care of their family and try to find shelter. >> have some empathy. jacob, you know what a fan i am of your reporting this. thank you for getting up early on a saturday morning and same to you congressman jimmy gomez. i followed you as a candidate and it's so awesome to have you on as a member of congress. thank you so much. you watching at home, don't go anywhere because there's so much this week we have to make it

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hi, everybody. welcome back. i'm tiffany cross and i'm excited to tell you my show, kec "cross connection," is ready to make it make sense. we have a question from deb davis from rosenburg, texas. >> hi, tiffany. my question is will you explain the role of the biden administration and how their role will issue policy change as we move forward to seek justice? >> that's an excellent question. one of the defining features of the obama department was how strongly they policed the

police. attorney general eric holder did this by using something called a dissent decree. this is an agreement between the doj and the police department and it's usually one found to be seriously abusing its power. this is whether by discriminating against black folks or using excessive force, or treating the community like the cops' own personal piggy bank they were all about that paper boy. under the dissent decree, the legal department is legally obligated to follow the doj's orders all under the oversight of a federal judge. this lasted for several years until the police department can be trusted to treat its community fairly without excessive force or discrimination, and, you know what? they work. that is, least while the justice department is watching. a 2017 study from the university of texas at austin looked at every agentlecy under a consent decree between 1990 and 2013 identifying 23 agencies and

found that consent decrees significantly reduced the risk of police departments being sued for civil rights violations. under president obama the doj entered into consent decrees with at least 15 police departments and investigated at least 25 others for what's call a pattern of practice of discrimination. when folks say what did the obama administration do, reference that. this is even as the country watched again and again with rage and anger as police brutally cracked down on peaceful protesters after the police killings of george floyd and breonna taylor and ahmaud aubrey and on and on and on that list always goes. deb, i have to say your question comes down to will pittsburgh pick up where president obama left off four years ago or will

he continue trump's policy of looking the other way, or, even encouraging police abuse like donald trump did. but luckily for all of us, it's the former. biden has promised to once again use the justice department to investigate racist police departments and force them to reform. his nominee for attorney general, the person who will lead the doj, said these issues will be a priority in the new doj, and trust me, this show will hold those folks accountable. the new doj will focus once again on racial equity, the very reason the department was founded in the first place just after the civil war. >> they echo today in the priorities that lie before us, from ensuring racial equity in our justice system to meeting the evolving threat of violent extremism. >> now, look. i'm no fool and neither are you. these investigations and dissent

decrees are by no means a magical cure-all for racial policing. it didn't under the obama administration obviously, but this is a step back on the path toward racial justice and a justice system that works for everybody. so, deb, i really thank you for asking that very timely question. all of you at home, seriously, let's keep this going. you can ask me anything. submit your video questions using the hashtag. we're switching it up. hashtag, asktiffany, or send me an email at crossconnection@nbcuni.com. this is not your chance to all diggs for "america's got talent." send me your questions very briefly, and i want to share the screen with you. make sure the questions are on visual medium. we can't take text questions. send me your video and together we can make it make sense.

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let us never forget, taking his oath of office on the same ground where insurrectionists rioted two weeks ago, president biden made white supremacy and domestic terrorism a priority. in 2020 alone, they conducted two-thirds of the terrorist plots and attacks in the country, and this is according to the center for strategic and international studies. but let's keep it 100, you guys. white supremacy has always been the biggest threat to this country. house majority whip jim clyburn said it better than i could ever say it in a political interview this week. quote, those of us who grew up in the black community, especially in the south, we have always recognized the ku klux klan and white citizens councils and all these other groups as domestic terrorists. how do you call it anything else? how indeed? joining me now to talk about this is malcolm nance, my friend, executive director of

the terrorism projects, msnbc contributor and author of "the plot to betray america," a fascinating book. and dr. errol suggesters is making his debut on the "cross connection." he's director of studies at the university of southern california. gentlemen, i'm so glad to have you with me. i want to start off with you, dr. suggesters. look. this is my biggest question. it feels like we were on high alert for a long time and there's this end to it. i don't feel there's an end to it. we have this crazy combination of that's right-winged extremists, these domestic terrorists who is have allied so to speak, they've cannibalized each other, fighting each other, and i think most of us in this country who first warned that white supremacy was always this country's biggest problem, we're looking back with two things. one, and i told you so, and, two, bracing ourselves for what's next.

so i want to ask you what's next. >> well, thank you, tiffany, for having me on today. congratulations on your show. there is no end to it. in a recent op-ed i just wrote, i wrote there's no finish line when inauguration came up this past week. the good news is that president biden did two very important things. in his inauguration speech he called out white extremism and white supremacy. the second thing he's done in the last couple of days, press secretary jen psaki announced his priority with regard to domestic terrorism. so there are three things he's going to do that i think are really important moving forward. the office of direct over national performance, you can't do anything till we know what we've got they're going build the national security council's capability so we can counter extremism and extremist networks, and most importantly they're going to coordinate

among the federal agencies on the evolving threat, radicalization and popularization of state and local agents is here. i'm delighted to say this is a great beginning and as you mentioned in your intro, a real step forward to acknowledging what we've known for a very long time. >> nance, i want to turn to you. we've been friends if ar long time. you always scare me with the insight you offer, but you're always accurate. i read an interesting study that one in five of the defendants in the capitol riots cases served in the military. you're someone who comes from that branch. what do you make about this through line of military service and white supremacy? >> well, in this particular instance, i think it reflects the amount of ex-military people, and there were a lot of law enforcement in there too. i think the 20% figure was military or law enforcement who were retired. >> you're right. that's right. >> it shows the level of

conservatism within that movement. however, this was really less about them and their military service than them being part of the cult that is donald trump's base. let me answer part of the previous question here. what's next with these people because we saw in that attack on the capitalism the ultimate white privilege. they knew like, you know, an enemy that was very similar to theirs, they can close in on law enforcement. they can get very close, in their face, overwhelm them because they knew that as white trump voters, they were not going to be stopped. they had the backing of the president of the united states, major parts of congress. they're going to become more dangerous. they're going to lose some numbers in this initial period of aprobee yum what they did at the capitol. these people are becoming true

hardliners and dead-enders, true believers, and they're probably going to be the basis of a very long political and quite possibly terrorist insurgency in the united states. >> i want to play a sound bite. one of the most fascinating things i saw is the right-wing media trying to disassemble and separate themselves from the people they created. >> not many americans support white supremacy. most people in this country find it disgusting. of course, and they should. the question is what is it exactly? now that they're waging war on white supremacists, can someone tell me what a white supremacist is? >> i was offended in the speech. i thought it was a good speech. it wasn't a great speech. but there's a point in there where he says we're divided as a country between the people who believe in the american ideal and racism, nativism, and fear.

no, no, no. we're divided as a country politically. >> this is laughable. when tucker carlson say as what is a white supremacist, look in the mirror, playboy, and when somebody says, i don't rock with dumb people, i'm like, wait a second. who are you calling dumb? i'm not dumb. it feels like you're punctuating the point that, yes, you adopt this ideology of white supremacy. let me go back to you, dr. suthers. look, a lot of those folks in that capitol insurrection were white women. i know we're talking about proud boys but i think some of the white women who have adopted this ideology, is mesh ready to face the fact that some of those folks look like people they've elevated and put on a pedestal and are untouchable. what do you say about this wing of white women who have been radicalized and have been enablers to this terrorist

movement that we've seen move quite rapidly? >> great question. at my center we study it for quite some time. women play a very pivotal role in the white as you know founded by former neo-nazis and white supremacists. we try to get people out of those movements. we also work with a group called parents for peace. to malcolm's point, this is a movement that's gone transnational. women play a important, pivotal role to their counterparts. we've seen this for decades. it's not unique to any group you mentioned previously. they're there to keep the foundation of the home in place. that's why you see organizations or people who home school -- i was in the fbi years ago and we had a lot of compound battles,

would-be ruby ridge and waco, keeping them communities moving tight and strong and forward. >> in day and age i feel like we have to peel away the layers and talk about this in unfiltered truth. i felt like i can talk to you about this for hours. but unfortunately we have breaking news to get to. thank you both for bringing light to this conversation. i do want to let you know before we go, we have sad news out of los angeles, former colleague of mine, legendary talk show host larry king died at 87. he had been hospitalized for covid earlier this month and kevin tibbles reflects on his five-decade-long career >> reporter: for more than 50 years on television and radio. >> indianapolis, hello. >> reporter: the famous and the infamous. >> it was a very traumatic

experience. >> reporter: they all opened up to larry king. >> my number one motto, i never learned anything when i was talking. >> reporter: born in brooklyn in 1933, young larry zieger dreamed of a career in radio. he chose the name king from a liquor store add after moving to miami in search of his big break >> reporter: did a radio show from pumper nick's restaurant. jimmy hoffa walked in >> reporter: arrested in 1971 for grand larceny, king was acquitted and returned to radio, eventually broadcasting his call-in show nationwide. >> welcome to "larry king live." >> reporter: in 1985, ted turner lured him to the fledgling cnn. >> any personal regrets? >> reporter: where he became the network's biggest draw, reaching 1 million people each night. >> we can stop that with a good

nafta. >> reporter: his 1993 nafta debate was viewed by 11 million, setting a new record for a cable broadcast. king said his secret was not to overprepare. >> i was the number one show on television, larry. do you flow who i am? >> reporter: and bragged he never read the books his guests remoted. >> the day i go into the studio saying i asked all the questions and heard all of the answers is the day i have to quit. >> reporter: and in the mid-80s he was replaced for piers morgan. >> from here i have to hang up the suspenders. >> i want to make sure the election is 100% fair. >> reporter: a lifelong dodgers fan, king survived a heart attack in 1987 and was married eight times to seven different women. >> never thought this is strange. in fact, i used to think if people were married for a long

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i was raised to not hear no, let me be clear about it. so it wasn't like the possibilities are immense. whatever you want to do, you can do. no, i was raised to understand many people will tell you it is impossible but don't listen. i mentor a lot of people, and i tell them that there will be people who will say it's not your turn, it's not your time. no one like you has done it. and i'll tell them, and don't you listen, and then i'll go on to tell them i eat no for breakfast. >> i eat no for breakfast. i love it. welcome back to "the cross connection." i'm tiffany cross. and this year will be unlike any other. is not just the first female vice president but added tie in senate and highest ranking of woman in color in our nation's history, she has the unique responsibility of showing the

world what it looks like when a black woman is in power. never before has a vice president sounded quite like this. >> i'm black and i'm proud and i say it loud! >> i didn't hear you. what did you say? >> say it loud! i'm black and i'm proud! >> a prou university sorority lum and member of kappa alpha kappa, all eyes are on her. she will likely be called upon to communicate directly with the american people as we level set racial inequality, among other things. i'm so excited because joining me now is her brilliant communications director, ashley ent ian. i don't mind telling you, ashley and i have been friends forever. neither of us could have predicted i would be hosting

cable news show and she would be leading the vice president. so thank you very much for getting up early saturday morning and sharing the screen with your girl. >> hey, here we are. i can't believe it. it is so excited. i want to congratulate you on this show. really, i could be no prouder of you. the to your point like drake's song "started from the bottom and now we're here." listen, let's get right into it. before we get started, i just want to be very clear about one thing -- i expect no tough questions for you this morning since we're friends. the listen, everyone is like this will be a lighthearted interview with you and t. you're good friends. you clearly don't know t, she will drill you on your personal life, your work, your outfit. you're made for this job. ip couldn't be more excited for you. >> thank you so much, ashley. and aim so excited for you.

you led a long career in communications, one of the most senior officials during the obama administration. of you led communications for pelosi's office around impeachment. you worked on capitol hill, even outside of pelosi's office many years. your 20-year career speaks for itself. >> has it been 20? >> it has, girl. it has. it's been 20 years. yeah, we got to get right into it. you're right, i have tough questions for you, but i know you can handle it, you're a communications guru and genius and people want to know, quite frankly. look, vice president kamala harris does have a unique role -- >> i know, right? >> yes, vice president kamala harris has a visible, unique role. >> yes. >> and i think a lot of people want to know how her portfolio and her introduction in the american people will differ from president biden. so break the news, give me good info, tell me what it's going to look like. >> is it listen, here's the deal, it's one agenda and one

message. president biden laid it out in his inaugural address. we've got to unify this nation, heal this nation from the wombs we experienced over the past four years. we've got to build this country back better in a more equitable fashion and we've got to address these four crises that are facing the nation, primarily the covid pandemic. and so the reality is that the vice president is going to be an equal partner in that entire effort and that entire initiative. as she said, too, during her primetime address, we have to do this. if we're going to address these crises, we have to do them together as a nation. so they have a full partnership moving forward. as i have said to you before and i said to others, the reality is the modern presidency is so complex today and all of these issues so interrelated, there's no way you can talk about racial justice without talking about economic justice. there's no way to talk about addressing covid in the pandemic without talking about access to

health care and quality health care. so it's really going to take the full breadth of not just the federal government but the full active engagement from both of them. i think what your viewers need to know is that president biden knows better than anyone else the full potential of the presidency. he was a vice president. he's made a commitment that she will be the first in the room and the last in the room. that he is going to engage her in every pressing issue facing this nation. and so far that has happened. she's had, you know, unprecedented engagement so far as she gave an acceptance speech. she delivered the primetime address this week. but more than anything else on the substance of what's facing our nation, she's been at the table. every one of the meetings this week she's been there. she's called the director of w.h.o. this week to reengage our country on the global stage about addressing the pandemic.

she's engaged small businesses from atlanta to wisconsin to talk about the economic relief, economic relief executive orders that the president signed on day one. we signed dozens of economic -- mine executive orders to address the most pressing concerns before the nation. >> right. >> so she's going to be a full partner and she has to be because the issues are just that complex. in addition to understanding the potential of the presidency, i think president biden also understands the value she brings to the table. you know and she said it herself, she has this beautiful story that's layered in texture. and because of that, you know, being from oakland, the child of immigrant parents, being the first at every -- being a career public servant and being the first at each one of those positions in all of the substance that she's engaged in, not just from being in the attorney general and starting

the bureau of children's justice but even in the senate working across the aisle to reform cash bail, she adds a different -- she complements him and is an asset to the work they're going to do and he recognizes that. so it's really a compliment to her. go ahead, sorry. >> no, you go ahead. what was your last point? >> had i was just going to say, one last point is because of that, we should see better outcomes for all americans. >> let me ask you, because you kind of like swept through all of this stuff, is there anything specifically that will land in her portfolio? and specifically i want to ask you about the vaccine. you're a girl from houston, so you know a lot of folks who look like you and me are distrustful of the vaccine. we now learn there was no plan, there were no reserves. >> yes. >> i think some people when you have community validaters to come out and talk about the vaccine, will she have a

specific role when it comes to that rollout? >> let's just talk about the vaccine, you're absolutely right. i think part of the actions that were taken this week was to roll out our covid plan. the first objective there was to shore up public trust, trust in the science. so to your point about how she's going to engage on these issues, she took the vaccine, first shot of the vaccine. we went down the historic southeast washington, d.c. where she actually took it in a community health center there right in the heart of southeast. so that provided us an opportunity to really go to where people are and address them head on. the point she made then when she took the vaccine was, listen, it's safe, and it's about saving lives. but to your point, there's a history that exists that are people who are reticent to take the vaccine itself. so she's been engaging them directly not just in terms of that event but we've done a lot of interviews and conversations with folks all over the country

about the value of folks taking -- >> of people taking it. >> of the vaccine, but more than just that, focused on taking the vaccine -- taking the vaccine is critical to us opening the country back up again. >> right. >> to get it back on track. it's essential. we have to do it. >> it's essential. >> can i just say one other point that folks should know, the vaccine that the vice president actually took was developed by a black woman scientist at nih. >> that's right, dr. tiffany corbet. she's amazing. >> yes, it was fantastic. >> this is how it is when ashley and i have brunch. we talk over each other the whole time but we're running out of time and i have other questions to get to so i hate interrupting you, but i want to ask, look, as vice president she's president over the senate. will she have any role in the impeachment trial? i know you have firsthand experience in that having led the communications around it when you were comp director for

nancy pelosi and i think deputy chief of staff as well. will she have any role in the impeachment trial? >> i will say -- can i just say one thing about impeachment, it's definitely one of my proudest moments in terms of my career. we really that was months and months and months and a lot of hours. i think it made clear to the american public that the president was -- was -- you know, not only ill prepared for this job but, you know, that he put himself before the country. and that's -- and that's not what we deserve in the office of the presidency. but to your question about how she's going to engage, she's made very clear our priority, and so has president biden, our priority is to address these four crises facing the american people. and that's it. congress is going to do what congress does. they're going to take whatever action they want to take. we definitely do believe people should be held accountable, the question should be held

accountable and our first priority is address the four crises. and that's why you saw on day one president biden in the oval office signing these executive orders. dozens of executive orders addressing covid, climate change, racial justice. you name it, literally, we took action day one. >> i've got to bring me panel in. sorry to interrupt you, ashley. i have to bring my panel in. but i have to ask you because i think folks are curious about your roll as com director. you're the person in charge there over her communications strategy, how she will be introduced to the american people as vice president, not just policy per perspective but culture. there are a lot of women and women of color. i'm so excited about taking history and delivering at the podium.

as you oversee some of the folks on your staff, what's the communication strategy in introducing her? and i have to bring my panel in so 30 seconds or less if you can. >> so, listen, i'm a part of a really fantastic team. hats off to them. we've been performing well the latter part of the week. and here's the thing, unfortunately people talk about the vice president in one or who dimensions. so our main objective is to build out and convey to the american public her record on anything from immigration to climate change to racial justice to economic justice and then really, you know, not just that but also, you know, make the point of how she's going to take all of that experience and then apply it to the challenges thatter woo facing today. so that's really the main objective. i will say one thing, if you give me 30 more seconds -- >> i don't have 30 seconds, ashley.

10 seconds. go quickly. >> well, good-bye! i'm leaving! no, i'm done. good day. good talking to you. i hope we could have brunch tomorrow. i'm done. you get the point. she's phenomenal. >> people always think ashley and i look alike so it's so night to see us on the split screen. and more importantly, i hope you promise to come back. i do want to bring in my panel as we talk about this, but thank you very much, ashley. promise me you'll come back. >> yes, yes. as long as you promise not to overtalk me! >> i got to say, ashley, i'm waiting to see if she brought the red and white walking with miss pink and green vice president. but i want to bring in my panel. media coverage of vice president harris' time when she was a candidate was anything like it was then. we have lots of work to do. a report from the time's up found a quarter of the coverage incorporated at least one racist

or sexist stereotype, mostly because of donald trump's messages. and made it the most viral stereotype of mainstream media. and joining me is editor in large, eugene daniels, white house correspondent and playbook co-author at politico. maria hinojosa, author of "once followed you" and the host of pea coke show, great programming, everybody, tune in. we don't have a lot of time. it will be quick round robin. publicly you're a stellar journalist but privately in our group chats, you're quite the response gravity quick. if you could tell us in this media space as very venture to

cover the new administration and new vp, what are some things we should avoid doing cover her. i know you did an interview the other day and they kept calling the vice president kamala. school the folks, if you will. >> that's exactly it. representation matters and narratives matter. unfortunately, there are more women and people of colors that are going to change the narrative or hopefully around the second most powerful person in the country, which is exactly how we should cover the new vice president of the united states. not as a unicorn, or somebody who we are constantly referring to as the first woman or first person of color. yes, this week was about recognizing this historic milestone for our democracy but normalizing women's leadership is really important in this moment to do and covering her and these crises which she's going to confront from the pandemic to racial inequality, covering her as the president and senate and how she inherited that role, that's what we should

focus on as a political press corps and the opportunity really we have to normalize not only the leadership of women but also the leadership of people of color and now the second-most-powerful position in the land. >> errin, one thing you said and i found it interesting, and i will ask eugene, she made a point we have to normalize leadership for women of color. she's an inspiration to girls. but what about grown women with political aspirations? women having a problem with women of the country in leadership view the lens of young girls. eugene, you wrote a very unique playbook, very unique lens in d.c., one of the first people need, there's a danger on people focusing her as being the first and not so much her policy. how do you make that coverage here in the beltway? >> i think as errin said, we

took the weekend and gave the historical nature of what she will mean to the country, young girls and women who dreamed of politics. now we move on to cover her as a vice presidentst united states and focus on the things she's going to do. some things are really important that i'm hopeful the coverage around her will change is that the white house correspondents look different too. it's more diverse. we have amazing policeman women who are joining and will be bringing a completely different experience. people like jasmine wright, jesse shepherd, yahoo! friends of mine, something they in a new generation of journalists are going to be focusing on as they know our experiences, blackness and as a women aren't bias as an expert. >> yes. eugene, you froze for a minute there. i think we're having connectivity issues. but i got you, your expertise is

where we are running out of time. one thing i want to talk mr. , , we're on a global stage here. when we go to other countries, we have to learn the customs. there's a whole pamphlet on meeting the queen in the uk where you're from. there's protocol meeting prime ministers ever other nations. what does it say you have this black woman on the global stage when she goes to meet people, they will not only have to learn the protocol of americans, and something about american culture, but a black woman american who's also a south asian descent, who is also caribbean, what do you think that says on the global stage? >> it sends a very positive message, avously, a very different message about what america looks like. i heard people on the left say diversity doesn't matter, it's only policy. of course diversity matters. who delivers the message and how

they're delivering it stands for after four years of donald trump, maga was about turning america about to some imagined past. that's very important. you mentioned the indian heritage, very important to places like south asia. i will say this, it's very important we're cognizant of the racism around us, misogyny around us. all of us are guilty of it. all of us fall into the trap in some shape or form. people forget barack obama had to apologize about making a comment about kamala harris' looks when she was a california ag. my big worry, the right-wing media will be racist and sexist. we know that. i'm worried the rest of the media is so understandably elated to see the back of that lot and return to some kind of normality and decency, that we somehow drop our guard. our job, let's not forget, cover the people in power critically, fairly, yes, but critically. regardless black, white, mail,

male or female, democrat or republican. >> you just gave me a next question. maria, while we celebrate the historic leadership, there's a period we cover this administration critically and hold this administration accountable to those who hold her in office. you're a longtime journalist. we've both been in this business for a while. how do you suggest the people of media strike that balance but really everybody? >> look, we're journalists. that's the whole thing. people want to see us you're a little bias. we wake up -- she may eat no for breakfast but i wake up as a journalist for breakfast, so that's what i do. we will be tough. here's the thing, we have to talk about structural issues. most of the mainstream journalism is owned, editor in chief, published by white, straight men. that is a structural issue. how about in the process of

having a conversation about structural change, structural inequality, structural racism. she in fact as vice president inspires privately owned media to start taking this on in a structural way. also, the other thing is kamala is the daughter of immigrants. this is another important issue in terms of the coverage. one last thing, you know what i don't think people get, not only is a black woman's joy but a middle-aged woman's joy. so that is one thing she carries and a lot of people think that makes her less serious. those of us who are like that, we laugh because we want to make people feel included. she's doing that. you know what, she's a hard-nosed politician. she's incredibly savvy and that's what we need to be focusing on. >> this is such a great panel. errin, i hate to put you on the spot, can you hop on the grand with me and go live with your girl so we can finish the conversation? >> thanks for the heads-up this time. you didn't put me on the spot. i may be ready to get on camera

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donald trump from the party, you're going to get erased. most republicans like his policies. a lot of republicans like his style. a lot of people are disappointed with him personally at times but appreciate the outcomes he's achieved for our country. so this idea of moving forward

without donald trump in the republican party is a disaster for the republican party. >> well, senator graham raises an excellent question, what happens to the republican party without their lord and savior donald trump in office? now that corporate america is defunding the gop -- well, those who voted to reject the election results anyway, and now that mitch mcconnell has been dubbed minority leader, now that president biden is vowing to stamp out white supremacy, which some republicans are taking quite personally, where do republicans go from here? joining me now to try to answer that question is caton dawson, republican strategist at merkley public affairs in former south carolina gop chair. very happy to have you with me. we have quite a lot to get to and not a lot of time. but i want to ask you in 2012 when the gop did an autopsy and talked about the challenges and shortcomings appealing to voters

of color, the righting majorities in this country, i think we can agree it's time for another autopsy. you know how people look at the republican party. southern white men of a certain age. there are determinations made that donald trump punctuated. what is your autopsy now of the gop now in a post-donald trump party? and what responsibility as a member of the gop do you take in hoping to unite this country? >> you cover a lot of issues there but what donald trump did, tiffany, is bring 9 billion new people into the last election. we didn't wit but we had a lot of successes at the state level, like my home state of south carolina. >> do you want those people? a lot of those people were like qanon supporters and white supremacists. are those the people you want in the gop? >> no. if we're going to do the litmus test, we want people voting for our policies and successes we had. donald trump's tenure in office certainly at times conducted

himself differently than any president we ever had. but lindsey graham is right -- >> differently, illegally. >> if we want to forget how we got our successes and forget how the republican party got there, we're going to be in the ak heap of political parties. so we have to move forward with the policies, move past the personalities, talk about the successes we had and, again, the country is now split 50/50. just what the framers did. >> the country isn't split 50/50. i think elected officials are 50/50 but when you look at the country, it's quite not 50/50. the republican party is increasingly becoming inat cryptic of "policies" as you said. and i want to ask you about the pro-life party you call them is the strongest force in south carolina. as we talk about an autopsy for the government, where does the

pro-life party, as you call them, stand on this violent insurrection now that we have at least five dead bodies on the floor? >> it the pro-life party is one that's a movement, a movement that consistently voted for the republican parties and consistently been there. you're not going to electorally leave them behind and if you look at national platforms are there, that's a argument of pro-choice versus pro-life, but i'm not turning my back on that individual, those individuals or that movement. >> it what about the racism? like there is no question now, i think a lot of us have always known that the republican party, you know, is an apologist, sympathizer or perpetuator of racist policies. where do you stand on that now? a disproportionate number of people of color watch the show. what do you say to the rising majority of this country who looks at the party and says, yeah, you're celebrating people who tried to siege the u.s. capitol. you're saying donald trump is the face of your party.

but a lot of folks who are elected officials kowtow to him the entire time. how can you speak to the entire majority of the country and convince him that's not your ideology? or are you interesting in con conveniencing them that? >> i don't think it's a true statement we're celebrating the people who attacked the capitol. >> you look at lindsey graham and people on the floor, jim jordan, kevin mccarthy, who did a complete 180. what am i missing? >> you're missing they weren't celebrating it. those people will be held responsible. but what i think the question you asked is, what do you think the future of the republican party is, and the future will be back in the states. we've got 2022 with the house of representatives coming up. we've got a challenge of test ing and two shots the biden administration will have to deliver. those litmus tests are in front of us. what donald trump did do for the republican party, he increased

our participation further than i thought we would ever see. how that happens is up to another autopsy but 9 million new folks is important to us. >> 9 million new folks who welcomed the qanon supporter in the capitol and members trying to bring gones on the house floor. i don't know if that's something to celebrate, kadian. but i do want to have you back on. just to point the out it in 2008 you resigned from an all-white country club. so the microcosm of the gop, did you not know it was an all-white country club? i invite you to have this conversation many more times because i think people of color would love to have this conversation continue about how we move forward and unify the country. so thank you for joining me. i look forward to having you back and watching at home. don't go anywhere. coming up -- states and cities are running out of the covid-19 vaccine and we're going to talk about that next. i may not be able to tell time, but i know what time it is.

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when i was with the president and the vice president, the things that he said to us, myself and other members of the team in private were just so encouraging. i mean, he said let science speak. let science be the thing that drives us, let's just be open and honest and transparent. we're not going to get everything right. there will be some mistakes, there will be some missteps. the response to that is to fix it and not to point blame and point fingers. it was just an amazingly refreshing experience and conversation that we had. >> hearing from you, again, dr.

fauci is refreshing. dr. anthony fauci is back front and center as the biden administration pushes its goal of 100 million vaccinations in 100 days. stay tuned, because he will be talking to my friend alex witt coming up next. so far 20 million shots have been administered, including the ones from the trump era. the race against the clock comes as the country exceeds more than 415,000 americans dead since the pandemic started nearly one year ago this week. and as communities across the nation are experiencing vaccine shortages. biden's plan to address the pandemic is designed to take the fight to the local level, but biden's health sector, who hasn't yet been confirmed, and even though he talked a good game this week, the newly minted president may be overestimating his newfound reach. >> the centers for disease control and prevention will launch a federal pharmacy program to make vaccines be available to communities and local pharmacies beginning

early -- i think by the 7th or 8th of february, early february. >> i'm going to tell you the truth here, i don't think late february we're going to have vaccine in every pharmacy in this country. >> joining me now state representative from north dakota ruth buffalo, long beach california mayor robert garcia, and columbia, south carolina mayor, my friend steve benjamin. representative buffalo, i do want to start with you. tribal communities and covid vaccine, that's a huge issue for this country that we do not nearly discuss enough. tell me, what are the issues facing tribal communities, specifically in north dakota. have you been in touch or anyone been in touch with the biden administration about addressing that important issue somebody. >> thank you for having me. i'm a citizen of the iroquois nation. there are five tribes and five

went with moderna and the other three pfizer. what we're learning though is there wasn't a concrete plan in place. so i'm excited to see and hear of president biden's plan, aggressive plan, to roll out the vaccine. my elder mom is scheduled to get her vaccine this coming monday and she's 69 years old with underlying health conditions. and so we're really hopeful thinking of what is to come. we know that this is going to take a lot of work on all of our parts but we're very hopeful things will move into a better direction. so that kind of -- that's my thoughts right now. >> mayor benjamin, let me ask you because, one, i'm so happy to have you on the show. two, being a daughter of the south myself, i'm curious how some of these southern municipalities will handle this. you just heard rochelle walensky contradict the president on preparedness. and a lot of this comes down to

local pharmacies. in columbia, are local pharmacies prepared? do you have freezers, process to ship and store them? if local pharmacies aren't prepared, what are you doing to get prepared and what can the biden administration do to help you? >> tiffany, first of all, congratulations on your new show. took you long enough to get me on. that's a whole other story. >> we'll talk offline. >> i'm not as concerned about the president's efforts in his -- his -- the possibilities as mayor garcia will tell you because he has local partners on the ground who are eager to get on the battlefield with him to make sure we're all doing what we're supposed to be doing, help in this pandemic and go through our one towards goal, preservation of human life. yes, urban areas, we have infrastructures, hospitals have cold storage for the pfizer vaccine, for example, toe get to get out. but what i'm more concerned about we have a wonderful,

robust infrastructure we built over the last year or so to work with communities all across the state to make sure at this point we can do everything we can to make sure there's vaccine access in communities that have been neglected for years, rural communities that may not have the infrastructure. it's been a constant process, but i am convinced we can get this done because finally we actually have a partner in washington, d.c. and washington, d.c. has a partner in america's cities. >> so let me turn to you on this, mayor garcia, because california -- every time i read the numbers out of california, it is devastating. we talked about earlier, where over 700 people died last night in california because of covid-19. you're uniquely positioned to talk about this. there's also the issue of the vaccine. there's also the issue of opening schools across the country. the president has said he wants to get this done in the first 100 days. where do you stand? one, do you feel prepared to inoculate the citizens of long

beach? two, do you think you all are ready to open schools? >> i think first it's really important to note from a vaccine perspective, cities ared are. we have the structure set up to ensure we do this the right way and the vaccine process had been going right. the big issue and you alluded earlier is access. we just need a lot more vaccine and quite frankly, joe biden couldn't have become president any sooner. there's no federal plan around vaccines. it's just like testing. that never happened. and the same is true around the vaccine. we're creating plans as we go and joe biden has stepped in. the best way to get schools and campuses reopened is make sure teachers are vaccinated and staff are vaccinated. in fact we begin vaccinating teachers this upcoming week, which is a good sign to meet president's goals. beyond that, schools also need assistance. what republicans are focused on and wall street and others, bailing out, they should focus

on bailing out schools. they need ventilation support, ppe support in many school districts. we will open up schools but vaccinations have to be in place and so does the support currently in the covid relief bill. the relief bill for cities is really important. >> mayor benjamin, one of the things about this is some of policies you have to enact across the country, folks like you will have to enact them with red state governors. we see the that man down in the sunshine state bungle the process. how can you administer the process when there's just now a centralized response to covid under the leadership who quite frequently are anti-science? >> that fauci press conference was heartwarming for a lot of us. i think we're going to see gravitation pull towards facts and science and data and just common sense.

we had a real back and forth with the governor early on in the pandemic, in which we took this very seriously. we believe in data. data gives you intelligence. the policy that saves lives. we're starting to see now around the vaccine a bit more consistency. you know, we're still seeing a very low amount of vaccine access. 50th in the country in the amount of vaccine coming here. we're seeing more dialogue but we need more support from our governor for sure. we need more if we're going to indeed save lives. >> yes, i think it's important to hear from folks on the ground in leadership battling the frontlines. you will all be invited back. i thank you very much for adding context from the frontline, representative with buffalo, mayor garcia and my friend steven benjamin, who made his debut on the show today. i wanted to make a quick

correction. earlier i mentioned the killing of ahmaud arbery in georgia. he was killed not by on-duty police but white, armed residents including a retired police officer. coming up at noon as i remind you, you can see anthony fauci on weekends with my friends alex witt. but you do not want to go anywhere. the fashion designer michelle obama wore this week will be here. it's the belt for me, guys. keep it right here. indeed you do. the moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base. claim your seventy-five-dollar credit when you post your first job at indeed.com/groomer

there were many historic moments at this week's inauguration but undoubtedly the most fiery moment came from our forever first lady when she arrived in that stunning burgundy pantsuit. "new york magazine" summed up what we were thinking, oh, my god, michelle obama. and the line over twitter is for our guest we have next, sergio hudson, the designer of michelle obama's inaugural outfit and vice president kamala harris' outfit wednesday night.

sergio, i'm so happy to have you here! i did reach out to your team and ask for research purposes if you could send me michelle obama's outfit in my exact size. it hasn't arrived yet but i'm looking for that research packet arriving to my home. i've got to tell you, my friend, the both outfits were straight fire. and there were memes, they sparked memes all across the country of michelle obama. there was even some of bernie sanders wearing your design. it was quite hilarious. you see her at trump's inauguration versus biden's inauguration. it is a stark difference, even though it's hard for her not to be anything but beautiful. tell me, what was their inspiration behind these looks? >> well, good morning. nice to meet you. but michelle obama's look was inspired by a look directly from

my fall 2020 collection. it was a sweater suit, we made it a sweater and pants and me and miss obama dropped the coat to the floor for a little bit to add a little bit of drama, and that's how we got the look. >> it was so fire, my friend. i loved it. i know you studied design in atlanta, my neck of the woods. i have to ask you, did the city i grew up in, did that contribute to influence some of your designs? >> definitely the south in general but i came of age in atlanta and i learned my craft in atlanta. i'm actually in atlanta right now. >> acl represent. >> it yes. so, you know, it definitely had a big role and just when you're in atlanta, the free thinking of black people here and it kind of

opened my mind up to what i could really become definitely. but just the south in general. >> something you said so timely and prevalent because i think some people tend to think of fashion something frivolous, it doesn't matter. but yet we spend so much time talking about it, it's a multibillion industry. and you said there's never been a legacy designer that was a black designer and you want to be that person. why hasn't there been a black designer to create this legacy, and how do you plan on building that? >> there are multiple reasons and we can go into a long dialogue about why it hasn't happened yet but at the end of the day, it hasn't happened. we know it takes a long time for firsts to happen. i definitely do want to be the first. just because -- and not just for me but for creatives coming up, if you see something that does something that looks like you, it's a little bit easier for you to dream, and that's how i feel. that's the reason i want to be

first. and i definitely believe that it is -- it's a loaded question. >> right, i get that. exactly, trust me, my friend, i get it. i do remember starting out in the news business and being in my early 20s and working alongside people who had a completely different financial situation than i did. they would say oh, i like your outfit, i like that skirt. who is it? i never had somebody ask me before, marshall's? t.j.maxx? clearance rack? so i cannot wait for the day somebody to ask me, who are you wearing? sergio, sergio hudson. so i applaud you for giving up that fire fashion this week. it was an amazing contribution for such an historic day. thank you very much for making the time to join us. my whole south carolina coalition is like have sergio on your show. you have a lot of people behind you. this has been a great conversation. you guys at home, that was our show today.

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witt." my one-on-one conversation with dr. anthony fauci in just a moment. but first we begin the hour in washington, where president biden's call for bipartisan unity is already facing major roadblocks. several key moderate gop lawmakers shooting down biden's ambitious legislative plans to combat the pandemic and restart the economy, while republicans and democrats cannot even agree on ground rules for running the new 50/50 senate. meanwhile nancy pelosi will set the one article of impeachment against now private citizen donald trump, where his second impeachment trial is set to officially kick off february 9th. one of the impeachment managers comes from eric swalwell. i spoke to my colleague tiffany cross this morning on what that trial may look like. >> if the senate allows witnesses, we will be ready with witnesses. it will be obvious who the witnesses are. it's not only people who had knowledge of what the president knew. the american people saw the